Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[BCLUG]

r...@echlin.ca wrote on 2023-03-05 15:05:

What I would like to do on each of my family's "3" Ubuntu boxes that are 
"All Different".


* Script or command to read the list of apps installed:

   * ignores all those installed as requirements

   * Ignores all those automatically installed

   * I think that the apt system tracks that info?


I typed up most of the following before Dianne jumped in, but I'll send 
it anyway - the "minimize-manual" may be helpful...



Possibly the following will help:

`apt-mark showmanual`

Might need to reduce the size of that list, as base setup flags some 
stuff as manual when it wasn't exactly manual as we'd expect:


`apt-mark minimize-manual`




* I can read and edit the list

* I can copy that list to various backup locations, like the other 
Ubuntu boxes, or email or whatever.


* I think I can create a script to re-install from the list


For multiple machines, Ansible or the like is probably better than 
`apt-mark` or `dpkg --get-selections` and trying to hack together 
something with the output.


IMHO.


rb


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Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[Alan McKay]

I don't think landscape really is a competitor to ansible or puppet that
must be the marketing department that put that in there.  I guess in a very
broad sense it is.  But it gives you a nice web gui to manage everything.

But it is pretty powerful and you don't have to manage them all the same
you can have different groups and different policies for different groups
and all this sort of thing



--
"You should sit in nature for 20 minutes a day
Unless you are busy - then you should sit for an hour"
 - Zen Proverb

Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[rob]

Hi Alan,

I read from the docs that "Landscape" is a competitor for Puppet or 
Ansible.
You can manage your deployment of multiple servers in groups, and keep 
their systems identical.


Just to clarify:

What I would like to do on each of my family's "3" Ubuntu boxes that are 
"All Different".


* Script or command to read the list of apps installed:

  * ignores all those installed as requirements

  * Ignores all those automatically installed

  * I think that the apt system tracks that info?

* I can read and edit the list

* I can copy that list to various backup locations, like the other 
Ubuntu boxes, or email or whatever.


* I think I can create a script to re-install from the list

Rob

I like this quote:
"You should sit in nature for 20 minutes a day
Unless you are busy - then you should sit for an hour"
 - Zen Proverb

On 2023-03-05 17:26, Alan McKay wrote:

Yes there are tools for that it is called landscape from canonical and 
it is one of the strong reasons to use Ubuntu in spite of whatever you 
think the privacy reasons might be


Those five free licenses you've been talking about are five free 
licenses for landscape


With landscape you can completely manage all of those endpoints 
including what apps are installed security and so on and so forth from 
one Central point


--
"You should sit in nature for 20 minutes a day
Unless you are busy - then you should sit for an hour"
- Zen Proverb

Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[Alan McKay]

Yes there are tools for that it is called landscape from canonical and it
is one of the strong reasons to use Ubuntu in spite of whatever you think
the privacy reasons might be

Those five free licenses you've been talking about are five free licenses
for landscape

With landscape you can completely manage all of those endpoints including
what apps are installed security and so on and so forth from one Central
point



--
"You should sit in nature for 20 minutes a day
Unless you are busy - then you should sit for an hour"
 - Zen Proverb

Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[Michael P. Soulier]

On 2023-03-05 12:43, mail forjeff.com wrote:
Agreed.  Ubuntu lost my vote long ago too for too many reasons to list 
here.  The 5 free licenses is likely just an intro to a bigger plan to 
turn into a pay only model.  No thanks.  I am sure many of us run more 
than 5 instances at home.   Specially those who like to tinker.


What pushed me over the edge was snapd. No thank you. That said, life on 
Debian get better with Ubuntu's popularity, so it's a double-edged sword.


Mike

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Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[Katherine Mcmillan]

The *BSD distros are also a fine choice:​ Great for "grandmas and web 
developers"!

We recently got OSCAR EMR working on OpenBSD using the .deb install, excellent 
enhancement to security.

runs​

-Katie

From: Stephen M. Webb 
Sent: 05 March 2023 15:01
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Subject: Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

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On 2023-03-05 13:00, Dianne Skoll wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 11:37:19 -0500
> r...@echlin.ca wrote:
>
>> Looks like its Debian Time. (Any time is Debian Time.)
>> What are your takes on this?
>
> I've never understood the appeal of Ubuntu.  It's really no better than
> Debian and Canonical is a really crappy company with a toxic CEO and a
> dreadful work environment (check Glassdoor reviews...)

Can't leave this hanging.

I worked at Canoncial for 7 years and it was magical. Best job ever. Always got 
along with the CEO. The main thing about
Ubuntu is that before it came along Linux was an extremely niche product 
reserved for ubergeeks, and after it became
something even grandmas and web developers could use.

Now I have no idea what they're doing with Ubuntu Pro since I haven't been 
involved for the last 5 years, but if it's
anything like all the social media outrage of the past that surrounds anything 
Canonical does, very little of what
you're read on the internet is probably true.

That said, Debian is a fine distribution (developed by mostly the same people). 
You're unlikely to have a problem using it.

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Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[BCLUG]

r...@echlin.ca wrote on 2023-03-05 08:37:


Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:
   imagemagick libopenexr25 libmagickcore-6.q16-6-extra 
libmagickwand-6.q16-6

   imagemagick-6.q16 libeditorconfig0 libmagickcore-6.q16-6
   imagemagick-6-common
Learn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://ubuntu.com/pro 



The offer is to get a membership in Ubuntu Pro, which allows updates to 
5 computers for "free", but I give away more info about myself.


Looks like its Debian Time. (Any time is Debian Time.)

What are your takes on this?



The "universe" repo is entirely non-curated - they're basically a 
collection of PPAs grouped together.



What Canonical is starting to do is to curate them somewhat, and push 
patches upstream.


We can take advantage of this work for free (on 5 or fewer computers).

Also, for free, they give away a newer version of Ubuntu (you're on 
which version?).


Also, one can grab the source code and compile the packages oneself.

Also, one can use a PPA directly from those projects (if they have taken 
on the work of packaging their software that way).




To me, it's no big deal. Canonical has moved the Linux world forward in 
major ways with a polished distro that's been available for free for ages.



If they want to either charge those running more than 5 instances of 
ImageMagick (a server oriented software), I'm okay with it.



I'm in a conversation right now with someone who's still running 14.04 
on extended maintenance - which he got for free. Good 'til next year.


Not bad!


rb

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Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[Stephen M. Webb]

On 2023-03-05 13:00, Dianne Skoll wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 11:37:19 -0500
> r...@echlin.ca wrote:
> 
>> Looks like its Debian Time. (Any time is Debian Time.)
>> What are your takes on this?
> 
> I've never understood the appeal of Ubuntu.  It's really no better than
> Debian and Canonical is a really crappy company with a toxic CEO and a
> dreadful work environment (check Glassdoor reviews...)

Can't leave this hanging.

I worked at Canoncial for 7 years and it was magical. Best job ever. Always got 
along with the CEO. The main thing about
Ubuntu is that before it came along Linux was an extremely niche product 
reserved for ubergeeks, and after it became
something even grandmas and web developers could use.

Now I have no idea what they're doing with Ubuntu Pro since I haven't been 
involved for the last 5 years, but if it's
anything like all the social media outrage of the past that surrounds anything 
Canonical does, very little of what
you're read on the internet is probably true.

That said, Debian is a fine distribution (developed by mostly the same people). 
You're unlikely to have a problem using it.

--
Stephen M. Webb

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Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[rob]

I detect a consensus: I thought I posted this on the OCLUG list?

Thanks for all the support for Debian.

Now to choose a time to wedge this huge unsafe change into my schedule.
Separately for each machine (3, I think).

Gotta map out the apps I installed, different for each machine.
Not all the apps, libs, drivers, and apps-required-by-this-app, just the 
apps I manually installed.

Are there any tools for that?


Rob

On 2023-03-05 13:00, Dianne Skoll wrote:

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 11:37:19 -0500
r...@echlin.ca wrote:


Looks like its Debian Time. (Any time is Debian Time.)
What are your takes on this?


I've never understood the appeal of Ubuntu.  It's really no better than
Debian and Canonical is a really crappy company with a toxic CEO and a
dreadful work environment (check Glassdoor reviews...)

Debian all the way for me.

Regards,

Dianne.

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Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[Dianne Skoll]

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 11:37:19 -0500
r...@echlin.ca wrote:

> Looks like its Debian Time. (Any time is Debian Time.)
> What are your takes on this?

I've never understood the appeal of Ubuntu.  It's really no better than
Debian and Canonical is a really crappy company with a toxic CEO and a
dreadful work environment (check Glassdoor reviews...)

Debian all the way for me.

Regards,

Dianne.

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Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[James]

Do you need the LTS version?
You could switch to the regular version.

Mar. 5, 2023 11:37:24 r...@echlin.ca:

> Hi
> 
> this message is part of my apt upgrade response:
> 
> Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:
>   imagemagick libopenexr25 libmagickcore-6.q16-6-extra libmagickwand-6.q16-6
>   imagemagick-6.q16 libeditorconfig0 libmagickcore-6.q16-6
>   imagemagick-6-common
> Learn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://ubuntu.com/pro
> 
> The offer is to get a membership in Ubuntu Pro, which allows updates to 5 
> computers for "free", but I give away more info about myself.
> 
> Looks like its Debian Time. (Any time is Debian Time.)
> 
> What are your takes on this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
> 

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Re: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[mail forjeff . com]

Agreed.  Ubuntu lost my vote long ago too for too many reasons to list here.  
The 5 free licenses is likely just an intro to a bigger plan to turn into a pay 
only model.  No thanks.  I am sure many of us run more than 5 instances at 
home.   Specially those who like to tinker.

Jeff


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From: msoulier 
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2023 12:11:40 PM
To: r...@echlin.ca ; linux-Ottawa 
Subject: RE: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

Ubuntu blows. All my boxes run Debian.

 Original message 
From: r...@echlin.ca
Date: 2023-03-05 11:37 (GMT-05:00)
To: linux-Ottawa 
Subject: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository


Hi

this message is part of my apt upgrade response:

Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:
  imagemagick libopenexr25 libmagickcore-6.q16-6-extra libmagickwand-6.q16-6
  imagemagick-6.q16 libeditorconfig0 libmagickcore-6.q16-6
  imagemagick-6-common
Learn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://ubuntu.com/pro

The offer is to get a membership in Ubuntu Pro, which allows updates to 5 
computers for "free", but I give away more info about myself.

Looks like its Debian Time. (Any time is Debian Time.)

What are your takes on this?

Thanks,
Rob

RE: [linux] Ubuntu LTS no longer updates Universe repository

[msoulier]

Ubuntu blows. All my boxes run Debian.
 Original message From: r...@echlin.ca Date: 2023-03-05  11:37  
(GMT-05:00) To: linux-Ottawa  Subject: [linux] Ubuntu 
LTS no longer  updates Universe repository 
Hi
this message is part of my apt upgrade response:
Get more security updates through Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:  
imagemagick libopenexr25 libmagickcore-6.q16-6-extra libmagickwand-6.q16-6  
imagemagick-6.q16 libeditorconfig0 libmagickcore-6.q16-6  
imagemagick-6-commonLearn more about Ubuntu Pro at https://ubuntu.com/pro
The offer is to get a membership in Ubuntu Pro, which allows updates to 5 
computers for "free", but I give away more info about myself.
Looks like its Debian Time. (Any time is Debian Time.)
What are your takes on this?
Thanks,Rob