Re: Re: [RESEND PATCH v5 2/5] arm64/crash_core: Export TCR_EL1.T1SZ in vmcoreinfo
Hello Bharat, On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:17 PM Bharat Gooty wrote: > > Hello Bhupesh, > V6 patch set on Linux 5.7, did not help. > I have applied makedump file > http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/kexec/2019-November/023963.html changes > also (makedump-1.6.6). Tried to apply it on makedumpfile 1.6.7. Patch set_2 > failed. Would like to know, if you have V5 patch set for makedump file > changes. With makedump 1.6.6, able to collect the vmore file. > I used latest crash utility > (https://www.redhat.com/archives/crash-utility/2019-November/msg00014.html > changes are present) > When I used crash utility, following is the error: > > Thanks, > -Bharat > > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Branden [mailto:scott.bran...@broadcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:34 AM > To: Bhupesh Sharma; Amit Kachhap > Cc: Mark Rutland; x...@kernel.org; Will Deacon; Linux Doc Mailing List; > Catalin Marinas; Ard Biesheuvel; kexec mailing list; Linux Kernel Mailing > List; Kazuhito Hagio; James Morse; Dave Anderson; bhupesh linux; > linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org; linux-arm-kernel; Steve Capper; Ray Jui; > Bharat Gooty > Subject: Re: Re: [RESEND PATCH v5 2/5] arm64/crash_core: Export TCR_EL1.T1SZ > in vmcoreinfo > > Hi Bhupesh, > > On 2020-02-23 10:25 p.m., Bhupesh Sharma wrote: > > Hi Amit, > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:36 PM Amit Kachhap wrote: > >> Hi Bhupesh, > >> > >> On 1/13/20 5:44 PM, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: > >>> Hi James, > >>> > >>> On 01/11/2020 12:30 AM, Dave Anderson wrote: > >>>> - Original Message - > >>>>> Hi Bhupesh, > >>>>> > >>>>> On 25/12/2019 19:01, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: > >>>>>> On 12/12/2019 04:02 PM, James Morse wrote: > >>>>>>> On 29/11/2019 19:59, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: > >>>>>>>> vabits_actual variable on arm64 indicates the actual VA space size, > >>>>>>>> and allows a single binary to support both 48-bit and 52-bit VA > >>>>>>>> spaces. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If the ARMv8.2-LVA optional feature is present, and we are running > >>>>>>>> with a 64KB page size; then it is possible to use 52-bits of > >>>>>>>> address > >>>>>>>> space for both userspace and kernel addresses. However, any kernel > >>>>>>>> binary that supports 52-bit must also be able to fall back to > >>>>>>>> 48-bit > >>>>>>>> at early boot time if the hardware feature is not present. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Since TCR_EL1.T1SZ indicates the size offset of the memory region > >>>>>>>> addressed by TTBR1_EL1 (and hence can be used for determining the > >>>>>>>> vabits_actual value) it makes more sense to export the same in > >>>>>>>> vmcoreinfo rather than vabits_actual variable, as the name of the > >>>>>>>> variable can change in future kernel versions, but the > >>>>>>>> architectural > >>>>>>>> constructs like TCR_EL1.T1SZ can be used better to indicate > >>>>>>>> intended > >>>>>>>> specific fields to user-space. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> User-space utilities like makedumpfile and crash-utility, need to > >>>>>>>> read/write this value from/to vmcoreinfo > >>>>>>> (write?) > >>>>>> Yes, also write so that the vmcoreinfo from an (crashing) arm64 > >>>>>> system can > >>>>>> be used for > >>>>>> analysis of the root-cause of panic/crash on say an x86_64 host using > >>>>>> utilities like > >>>>>> crash-utility/gdb. > >>>>> I read this as as "User-space [...] needs to write to vmcoreinfo". > >>> That's correct. But for writing to vmcore dump in the kdump kernel, we > >>> need to read the symbols from the vmcoreinfo in the primary kernel. > >>> > >>>>>>>> for determining if a virtual address lies in the linear map range. > >>>>>>> I think this is a fragile example. The debugger shouldn't need to > >>>>>>> know > >>>>>>> this. > >>>>>> Well that the current
RE: Re: [RESEND PATCH v5 2/5] arm64/crash_core: Export TCR_EL1.T1SZ in vmcoreinfo
Sorry, error message was not posted. Following is the error message crash: cannot determine VA_BITS_ACTUAL -Original Message- From: Bharat Gooty [mailto:bharat.go...@broadcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:18 PM To: Scott Branden; 'Bhupesh Sharma'; 'Amit Kachhap' Cc: 'Mark Rutland'; 'x...@kernel.org'; 'Will Deacon'; 'Linux Doc Mailing List'; 'Catalin Marinas'; 'Ard Biesheuvel'; 'kexec mailing list'; 'Linux Kernel Mailing List'; 'Kazuhito Hagio'; 'James Morse'; 'Dave Anderson'; 'bhupesh linux'; 'linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org'; 'linux-arm-kernel'; 'Steve Capper'; Ray Jui Subject: RE: Re: [RESEND PATCH v5 2/5] arm64/crash_core: Export TCR_EL1.T1SZ in vmcoreinfo Hello Bhupesh, V6 patch set on Linux 5.7, did not help. I have applied makedump file http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/kexec/2019-November/023963.html changes also (makedump-1.6.6). Tried to apply it on makedumpfile 1.6.7. Patch set_2 failed. Would like to know, if you have V5 patch set for makedump file changes. With makedump 1.6.6, able to collect the vmore file. I used latest crash utility (https://www.redhat.com/archives/crash-utility/2019-November/msg00014.html changes are present) When I used crash utility, following is the error: Thanks, -Bharat -Original Message- From: Scott Branden [mailto:scott.bran...@broadcom.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:34 AM To: Bhupesh Sharma; Amit Kachhap Cc: Mark Rutland; x...@kernel.org; Will Deacon; Linux Doc Mailing List; Catalin Marinas; Ard Biesheuvel; kexec mailing list; Linux Kernel Mailing List; Kazuhito Hagio; James Morse; Dave Anderson; bhupesh linux; linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org; linux-arm-kernel; Steve Capper; Ray Jui; Bharat Gooty Subject: Re: Re: [RESEND PATCH v5 2/5] arm64/crash_core: Export TCR_EL1.T1SZ in vmcoreinfo Hi Bhupesh, On 2020-02-23 10:25 p.m., Bhupesh Sharma wrote: > Hi Amit, > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:36 PM Amit Kachhap wrote: >> Hi Bhupesh, >> >> On 1/13/20 5:44 PM, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: >>> Hi James, >>> >>> On 01/11/2020 12:30 AM, Dave Anderson wrote: >>>> - Original Message - >>>>> Hi Bhupesh, >>>>> >>>>> On 25/12/2019 19:01, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: >>>>>> On 12/12/2019 04:02 PM, James Morse wrote: >>>>>>> On 29/11/2019 19:59, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: >>>>>>>> vabits_actual variable on arm64 indicates the actual VA space size, >>>>>>>> and allows a single binary to support both 48-bit and 52-bit VA >>>>>>>> spaces. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the ARMv8.2-LVA optional feature is present, and we are running >>>>>>>> with a 64KB page size; then it is possible to use 52-bits of >>>>>>>> address >>>>>>>> space for both userspace and kernel addresses. However, any kernel >>>>>>>> binary that supports 52-bit must also be able to fall back to >>>>>>>> 48-bit >>>>>>>> at early boot time if the hardware feature is not present. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since TCR_EL1.T1SZ indicates the size offset of the memory region >>>>>>>> addressed by TTBR1_EL1 (and hence can be used for determining the >>>>>>>> vabits_actual value) it makes more sense to export the same in >>>>>>>> vmcoreinfo rather than vabits_actual variable, as the name of the >>>>>>>> variable can change in future kernel versions, but the >>>>>>>> architectural >>>>>>>> constructs like TCR_EL1.T1SZ can be used better to indicate >>>>>>>> intended >>>>>>>> specific fields to user-space. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> User-space utilities like makedumpfile and crash-utility, need to >>>>>>>> read/write this value from/to vmcoreinfo >>>>>>> (write?) >>>>>> Yes, also write so that the vmcoreinfo from an (crashing) arm64 >>>>>> system can >>>>>> be used for >>>>>> analysis of the root-cause of panic/crash on say an x86_64 host using >>>>>> utilities like >>>>>> crash-utility/gdb. >>>>> I read this as as "User-space [...] needs to write to vmcoreinfo". >>> That's correct. But for writing to vmcore dump in the kdump kernel, we >>> need to read the symbols from the vmcoreinfo in the primary kernel. >>> >>>>>>>> for determining if a virtual address lies in the linear map range. >>>>>>>
RE: Re: [RESEND PATCH v5 2/5] arm64/crash_core: Export TCR_EL1.T1SZ in vmcoreinfo
Hello Bhupesh, V6 patch set on Linux 5.7, did not help. I have applied makedump file http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/kexec/2019-November/023963.html changes also (makedump-1.6.6). Tried to apply it on makedumpfile 1.6.7. Patch set_2 failed. Would like to know, if you have V5 patch set for makedump file changes. With makedump 1.6.6, able to collect the vmore file. I used latest crash utility (https://www.redhat.com/archives/crash-utility/2019-November/msg00014.html changes are present) When I used crash utility, following is the error: Thanks, -Bharat -Original Message- From: Scott Branden [mailto:scott.bran...@broadcom.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:34 AM To: Bhupesh Sharma; Amit Kachhap Cc: Mark Rutland; x...@kernel.org; Will Deacon; Linux Doc Mailing List; Catalin Marinas; Ard Biesheuvel; kexec mailing list; Linux Kernel Mailing List; Kazuhito Hagio; James Morse; Dave Anderson; bhupesh linux; linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org; linux-arm-kernel; Steve Capper; Ray Jui; Bharat Gooty Subject: Re: Re: [RESEND PATCH v5 2/5] arm64/crash_core: Export TCR_EL1.T1SZ in vmcoreinfo Hi Bhupesh, On 2020-02-23 10:25 p.m., Bhupesh Sharma wrote: > Hi Amit, > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:36 PM Amit Kachhap wrote: >> Hi Bhupesh, >> >> On 1/13/20 5:44 PM, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: >>> Hi James, >>> >>> On 01/11/2020 12:30 AM, Dave Anderson wrote: >>>> - Original Message - >>>>> Hi Bhupesh, >>>>> >>>>> On 25/12/2019 19:01, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: >>>>>> On 12/12/2019 04:02 PM, James Morse wrote: >>>>>>> On 29/11/2019 19:59, Bhupesh Sharma wrote: >>>>>>>> vabits_actual variable on arm64 indicates the actual VA space size, >>>>>>>> and allows a single binary to support both 48-bit and 52-bit VA >>>>>>>> spaces. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the ARMv8.2-LVA optional feature is present, and we are running >>>>>>>> with a 64KB page size; then it is possible to use 52-bits of >>>>>>>> address >>>>>>>> space for both userspace and kernel addresses. However, any kernel >>>>>>>> binary that supports 52-bit must also be able to fall back to >>>>>>>> 48-bit >>>>>>>> at early boot time if the hardware feature is not present. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since TCR_EL1.T1SZ indicates the size offset of the memory region >>>>>>>> addressed by TTBR1_EL1 (and hence can be used for determining the >>>>>>>> vabits_actual value) it makes more sense to export the same in >>>>>>>> vmcoreinfo rather than vabits_actual variable, as the name of the >>>>>>>> variable can change in future kernel versions, but the >>>>>>>> architectural >>>>>>>> constructs like TCR_EL1.T1SZ can be used better to indicate >>>>>>>> intended >>>>>>>> specific fields to user-space. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> User-space utilities like makedumpfile and crash-utility, need to >>>>>>>> read/write this value from/to vmcoreinfo >>>>>>> (write?) >>>>>> Yes, also write so that the vmcoreinfo from an (crashing) arm64 >>>>>> system can >>>>>> be used for >>>>>> analysis of the root-cause of panic/crash on say an x86_64 host using >>>>>> utilities like >>>>>> crash-utility/gdb. >>>>> I read this as as "User-space [...] needs to write to vmcoreinfo". >>> That's correct. But for writing to vmcore dump in the kdump kernel, we >>> need to read the symbols from the vmcoreinfo in the primary kernel. >>> >>>>>>>> for determining if a virtual address lies in the linear map range. >>>>>>> I think this is a fragile example. The debugger shouldn't need to >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> this. >>>>>> Well that the current user-space utility design, so I am not sure we >>>>>> can >>>>>> tweak that too much. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The user-space computation for determining whether an address lies >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the linear map range is the same as we have in kernel-space: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #define __is_lm_address(addr)(!(((u64)addr)
Re: Re: [RESEND PATCH v5 2/5] arm64/crash_core: Export TCR_EL1.T1SZ in vmcoreinfo
Hi Bhupesh,
On 2020-02-23 10:25 p.m., Bhupesh Sharma wrote:
Hi Amit,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:36 PM Amit Kachhap wrote:
Hi Bhupesh,
On 1/13/20 5:44 PM, Bhupesh Sharma wrote:
Hi James,
On 01/11/2020 12:30 AM, Dave Anderson wrote:
- Original Message -
Hi Bhupesh,
On 25/12/2019 19:01, Bhupesh Sharma wrote:
On 12/12/2019 04:02 PM, James Morse wrote:
On 29/11/2019 19:59, Bhupesh Sharma wrote:
vabits_actual variable on arm64 indicates the actual VA space size,
and allows a single binary to support both 48-bit and 52-bit VA
spaces.
If the ARMv8.2-LVA optional feature is present, and we are running
with a 64KB page size; then it is possible to use 52-bits of address
space for both userspace and kernel addresses. However, any kernel
binary that supports 52-bit must also be able to fall back to 48-bit
at early boot time if the hardware feature is not present.
Since TCR_EL1.T1SZ indicates the size offset of the memory region
addressed by TTBR1_EL1 (and hence can be used for determining the
vabits_actual value) it makes more sense to export the same in
vmcoreinfo rather than vabits_actual variable, as the name of the
variable can change in future kernel versions, but the architectural
constructs like TCR_EL1.T1SZ can be used better to indicate intended
specific fields to user-space.
User-space utilities like makedumpfile and crash-utility, need to
read/write this value from/to vmcoreinfo
(write?)
Yes, also write so that the vmcoreinfo from an (crashing) arm64
system can
be used for
analysis of the root-cause of panic/crash on say an x86_64 host using
utilities like
crash-utility/gdb.
I read this as as "User-space [...] needs to write to vmcoreinfo".
That's correct. But for writing to vmcore dump in the kdump kernel, we
need to read the symbols from the vmcoreinfo in the primary kernel.
for determining if a virtual address lies in the linear map range.
I think this is a fragile example. The debugger shouldn't need to know
this.
Well that the current user-space utility design, so I am not sure we
can
tweak that too much.
The user-space computation for determining whether an address lies in
the linear map range is the same as we have in kernel-space:
#define __is_lm_address(addr)(!(((u64)addr) &
BIT(vabits_actual -
1)))
This was changed with 14c127c957c1 ("arm64: mm: Flip kernel VA
space"). If
user-space
tools rely on 'knowing' the kernel memory layout, they must have to
constantly be fixed
and updated. This is a poor argument for adding this to something that
ends up as ABI.
See above. The user-space has to rely on some ABI/guaranteed
hardware-symbols which can be
used for 'determining' the kernel memory layout.
I disagree. Everything and anything in the kernel will change. The
ABI rules apply to
stuff exposed via syscalls and kernel filesystems. It does not apply
to kernel internals,
like the memory layout we used yesterday. 14c127c957c1 is a case in
point.
A debugger trying to rely on this sort of thing would have to play
catchup whenever it
changes.
Exactly. That's the whole point.
The crash utility and makedumpfile are not in the same league as other
user-space tools.
They have always had to "play catchup" precisely because they depend
upon kernel internals,
which constantly change.
I agree with you and DaveA here. Software user-space debuggers are
dependent on kernel internals (which can change from time-to-time) and
will have to play catch-up (which has been the case since the very start).
Unfortunately we don't have any clear ABI for software debugging tools -
may be something to look for in future.
A case in point is gdb/kgdb, which still needs to run with KASLR
turned-off (nokaslr) for debugging, as it confuses gdb which resolve
kernel symbol address from symbol table of vmlinux. But we can
work-around the same in makedumpfile/crash by reading the 'kaslr_offset'
value. And I have several users telling me now they cannot use gdb on
KASLR enabled kernel to debug panics, but can makedumpfile + crash
combination to achieve the same.
So, we should be looking to fix these utilities which are broken since
the 52-bit changes for arm64. Accordingly, I will try to send the v6
soon while incorporating the comments posted on the v5.
Any update on the next v6 version. Since this patch series is fixing the
current broken kdump so need this series to add some more fields in
vmcoreinfo for Pointer Authentication work.
Sorry for the delay. I was caught up in some other urgent arm64
user-space issues.
I am preparing the v6 now and hopefully will be able to post it out
for review later today.
Did v6 get sent out?
Thanks,
Bhupesh
Regards,
Scott
