Lisa Office System source code ?
Hi Does anyone have Lisa Office System source listings? I'm trying to find the source listing to such programs as the Lisa Desktop Manager (Lisa Finder in Mac parlance) or any of the Lisa applications such as LisaWrite. Paper listings are fine. I just want to see how these programs were built internally. I think it would be a shame if such sources disappered since they were very innovative. FYI, I have the source for the Lisa boot ROM and the Lisa programmer's ToolKit. - David Craig -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa tech preservation, Alice
I am assembling a hands-on micro computer museum and learning center. I have my eye on two school busses going up for auction - one for Apples and the other... well for Oranges. I can have the busses towed to different schools for maximum access to students with the possibility of checking out Apple II+EGSes and educational software for use at home by serious students who do not have access to a computer at home and need some help with academics or computer skills including programming. A library of software, mannuals and books is kept for reference rather than to be kept on the busses. A partial library will be on each bus with materials related to the computers on each bus along with the history of micro computers. I have been collecting micro computers for the museum for a number of years now along with peripherals, software, mannuals and books. They now fill most of a two car garage and two bedrooms. People have already been making donations of computers, peripherals, mannuals and books that they were going to throw out and were looking for a good home for I have not been able to get any Lisas as they tend to be expensive. The main reason I joined the Lisa list was to get more information about these relatively rare and, hence, expensive historical gems. I definitly have a good place and good use for any that are destined for throw out. I am learning about getting the program set up as a non profit organization but have not begun to file yet, wanting to have the busses first to show some sort of housing, other than my home, for the program. If you hear of anyone getting ready to just throw out any Lisa computers, peripherals, software, mannuals and/or books, please let them know of this musuem for their consideration. Thank you, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: Lisa tech preservation, Alice There really should be some sort of non-profit organization designed to preserve the Lisa legacy. Lisa stuff is being scattered on Ebay and ends up in various collections or thrown out. Private collections are OK, but it really would be valuable for there to be a museum or some sort of central repository for Lisa tech. Apple should do more in this area. The company prides itself on innovation, but seems to be content to leave much of its innovation to obscurity, even loss. Maybe there's a secret cache of Apple history somewhere? Is there a reason why Apple would be unwise to open the source code for Lisa's software? The Mac is pretty well-covered with sites like folklore.org. The Lisa is usually treated as an after-thought, something to mention while writing about the Mac. The original version of Alice was written for the Lisa. Where is it? Apple's first game was actually a Lisa program. While it wasn't produced for sale, it's hardly unimportant. It would be really cool to see a game running on a Lisa, even if it's slow. I hazily recall that Steve Capps was the person who made the game. I wrote to the guy (Bruce Horn?) who runs folklore.org and he gave me Capps' e-mail, but I didn't get a response when I asked about Alice. Hi Does anyone have Lisa Office System source listings? I'm trying to find the source listing to such programs as the Lisa Desktop Manager (Lisa Finder in Mac parlance) or any of the Lisa applications such as LisaWrite. Paper listings are fine. I just want to see how these programs were built internally. I think it would be a shame if such sources disappered since they were very innovative. FYI, I have the source for the Lisa boot ROM and the Lisa programmer's ToolKit. - David Craig -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:
Re: Apple soap box
Nord, Al wrote: If Apple cared that much about the Lisa computers they and Sun Data would not have hired bulldozers to drive over piles of Lisa computers in Speaking of which, AppleFritter used to have a ton of Lisa documentation online, any word as to where it moved to? I did as well, but lack of bandwidth is not helpful. Perhaps things like bittorrent can be helpful if several of us leave the client open always. Perhaps we can compile a comprehensive collection of all apple lisa docs, hopefully something that can fit on one or more DVD-R's and share those over bittorrent? -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Apple soap box
It is historical gems like this that I am on this list for. - Original Message - From: Nord, Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: Apple soap box If Apple cared that much about the Lisa computers they and Sun Data would not have hired bulldozers to drive over piles of Lisa computers in a landfill in Logan Utah many years ago. I have a picture that was in the local paper there. I went to the Apple authorized Lisa repair school in Minneapolis Minnesota before the Lisa's introduction. Both the class and I sat is awe watching the instructor operate the Lisa in the classroom. During the class demo he had a software glitch and was able to by pressing a sequence of keyswitches bring the Lisa program into monitor and retype the software command. I told Larry Pina about that experience before Larry wrote his book on the MacIntosh computer series. Apple dropped the ball on the Lisa and part of the problem was the high cost of any of the Lisa software and having their serial number stored in a prom on the logic board to prevent illegal copying of the software. I repaired one Lisa and forgot about swapping that prom and had to get Apple to return the prom off of the board. The customers Lisa sat in my repair area for 2 weeks while waiting for that prom. You think the customer was happy about that ? Nope. When the Mac plus was introduced that was the death of the Lisa I am sure. I attended an Apple dealers school again in Minneapolis and was able to buy a brand new Mac Plus for $1000.00 and a Imagewriter 2 for $500.00 direct from Apple shipped to my door. I purchased a single 1 meg simm to upgrade my Mac's memory for $85.00. My Mac Plus ran circles around the Lisa. When I upgraded to the $2500.00 PowerMac 6100 I upgraded that memory with 2 16 meg ram chips for $995.00 from the Chip Merchant. Now you can by the new Mac for under $500.00 Progress... Al -Original Message- From: LisaList [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:07 AM To: LisaList Subject: Lisa tech preservation, Alice There really should be some sort of non-profit organization designed to preserve the Lisa legacy. Lisa stuff is being scattered on Ebay and ends up in various collections or thrown out. Private collections are OK, but it really would be valuable for there to be a museum or some sort of central repository for Lisa tech. Apple should do more in this area. The company prides itself on innovation, but seems to be content to leave much of its innovation to obscurity, even loss. Maybe there's a secret cache of Apple history somewhere? Is there a reason why Apple would be unwise to open the source code for Lisa's software? The Mac is pretty well-covered with sites like folklore.org. The Lisa is usually treated as an after-thought, something to mention while writing about the Mac. The original version of Alice was written for the Lisa. Where is it? Apple's first game was actually a Lisa program. While it wasn't produced for sale, it's hardly unimportant. It would be really cool to see a game running on a Lisa, even if it's slow. I hazily recall that Steve Capps was the person who made the game. I wrote to the guy (Bruce Horn?) who runs folklore.org and he gave me Capps' e-mail, but I didn't get a response when I asked about Alice. Hi Does anyone have Lisa Office System source listings? I'm trying to find the source listing to such programs as the Lisa Desktop Manager (Lisa Finder in Mac parlance) or any of the Lisa applications such as LisaWrite. Paper listings are fine. I just want to see how these programs were built internally. I think it would be a shame if such sources disappered since they were very innovative. FYI, I have the source for the Lisa boot ROM and the Lisa programmer's ToolKit. - David Craig -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode,
Re: Original Mac Portable disposal
That is so sad as I do not have Mac Portables yet either. Please if you hear about such opportunities/losses give them my email. Computers not used in the museum, due to duplication(because I already have one of that model in the museum), are set up for check out to students who do not have access to comnputers at home. - Original Message - From: Nord, Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Original Mac Portable disposal At the end of last school year in June of this year I had a call from a teacher who offered me 40+ working old Mac portables for free if I hauled them away. Where could I store 40+ of these vintage computers and what would I do with them ? I had to decline his offer and he told me they were going to the landfill. He was keeping the Apple black carrying cases to use for storing other stuff in his classroom. Those black carrying cases are rare enough by themselves. In 2005 hearing about a classroom still using the Mac Portable is surprising. He had the Apple portable batterys modified by removing the lead acid cells and replacing them with rechargable cells by a local battery dealer. Some had memory upgrades and all had their modems installed. His classroom was being converted to IBM Windoze laptops. I bet his students just love Windoze XP. Al -Original Message- From: LisaList [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Worgan Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:57 AM To: LisaList Subject: Re: Lisa tech preservation, Alice I am assembling a hands-on micro computer museum and learning center. I have my eye on two school busses going up for auction - one for Apples and the other... well for Oranges. I can have the busses towed to different schools for maximum access to students with the possibility of checking out Apple II+EGSes and educational software for use at home by serious students who do not have access to a computer at home and need some help with academics or computer skills including programming. A library of software, mannuals and books is kept for reference rather than to be kept on the busses. A partial library will be on each bus with materials related to the computers on each bus along with the history of micro computers. I have been collecting micro computers for the museum for a number of years now along with peripherals, software, mannuals and books. They now fill most of a two car garage and two bedrooms. People have already been making donations of computers, peripherals, mannuals and books that they were going to throw out and were looking for a good home for I have not been able to get any Lisas as they tend to be expensive. The main reason I joined the Lisa list was to get more information about these relatively rare and, hence, expensive historical gems. I definitly have a good place and good use for any that are destined for throw out. I am learning about getting the program set up as a non profit organization but have not begun to file yet, wanting to have the busses first to show some sort of housing, other than my home, for the program. If you hear of anyone getting ready to just throw out any Lisa computers, peripherals, software, mannuals and/or books, please let them know of this musuem for their consideration. Thank you, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: Lisa tech preservation, Alice There really should be some sort of non-profit organization designed to preserve the Lisa legacy. Lisa stuff is being scattered on Ebay and ends up in various collections or thrown out. Private collections are OK, but it really would be valuable for there to be a museum or some sort of central repository for Lisa tech. Apple should do more in this area. The company prides itself on innovation, but seems to be content to leave much of its innovation to obscurity, even loss. Maybe there's a secret cache of Apple history somewhere? Is there a reason why Apple would be unwise to open the source code for Lisa's software? The Mac is pretty well-covered with sites like folklore.org. The Lisa is usually treated as an after-thought, something to mention while writing about the Mac. The original version of Alice was written for the Lisa. Where is it? Apple's first game was actually a Lisa program. While it wasn't produced for sale, it's hardly unimportant. It would be really cool to see a game running on a Lisa, even if it's slow. I hazily recall that Steve Capps was the person who made the game. I wrote to the guy (Bruce Horn?) who runs folklore.org and he gave me Capps' e-mail, but I didn't get a response when I asked about Alice. Hi Does anyone have Lisa Office System source listings? I'm trying to find the source listing to such programs as the Lisa Desktop Manager (Lisa Finder in Mac parlance) or any of the Lisa
Re: Original Mac Portable disposal
Nord, Al wrote: At the end of last school year in June of this year I had a call from a teacher who offered me 40+ working old Mac portables for free if I hauled them away. Where could I store 40+ of these vintage computers and what would I do with them ? Hell, you could have made a fortune on ebay. :) I would have loved one of those. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Original Mac Portable disposal
OK Ray, Make me an offer for my memory upgraded Mac Portable as It is for sale. Al -Original Message- From: LisaList [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Arachelian Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:13 PM To: LisaList Subject: Re: Original Mac Portable disposal Nord, Al wrote: At the end of last school year in June of this year I had a call from a teacher who offered me 40+ working old Mac portables for free if I hauled them away. Where could I store 40+ of these vintage computers and what would I do with them ? Hell, you could have made a fortune on ebay. :) I would have loved one of those. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Lisa tech preservation, Alice
On Aug 26, 2005, at 10:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote to the guy (Bruce Horn?) who runs folklore.org and he gave me Capps' e-mail, but I didn't get a response when I asked about Alice. Andy Hertzfeld runs Folklore.org. Indeed, Steve Capps wrote Alice. The Mac version is pretty nimble - I have it on my Mac Plus. Here's the Folklore.org story: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintoshstory=Alice.txt bp -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
