Greetings. I'd like to add my name to the torrent of people after your CD set on Lisa history. My address is:
Kevin Lindsey 3836 Inverness Road Fairfax, VA 22033 Many thanks, Kevin --- Shirl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve asked ... > > > Why has the Lisa team remained silent? Isn't there a book here? I'd > > personally love to have all the anecdotes and the like concerning > the > > Lisa's development to read. There's a little bit about it on the > Mac > > Folklore site, but everything is so Mac-centric. It would be > refreshing to > > read about the Lisa from a Lisa-centric perspective. > > I have a 2 CD set called LISA COLLECTED PAPERS which has such > information. I > created this CD set about a year ago based on many Lisa documents > I've > collected from 1984 onwards when I used the Lisa Workshop for > Macintosh > development. These CDs contain a large number of scanned documents > covering > the Lisa's history, development, articles, and comments by the Lisa > development team themselves. Includes some very rare Lisa materials > such as > the original Lisa requirements document, the Lisa product > introduction plan, > the Lisa boot ROM source listing, and the Lisa Tool Kit application > object-oriented framework listing (the Tool Kit was the predecessor > to the > Macintosh MacApp framework). > > If anyone wants a copy of this set just send me a mailing address and > I will > send them. > > Concerning Lisa books, KURT SCHMUCKER wrote a great Lisa book in the > mid > 1980s about the Lisa which I highly recommend. Called THE COMPLEATE > LISA, it > is out of print but sometimes a copy appeares on eBay for lots of $s. > > Here's some Lisa development answers to several Lisa questions I > asked from > one of the Lisa developers I received just this month which may > interest > you: > > Q: What was the hardest part about writing programs for the Lisa? I > assume > developing the underlying support libraries such as the event manager > were > the biggest obstacles. I also assume the fine tuning which occured at > the > end of the development to improve the Lisa's performance was > difficult too. > > A: We faced a number of very interesting challenges. Lack of > development > tools was one. We all got to be very good at crawling up the call > chain by > looking at the 68000 registers, and then looking for symbols in the > code to > find out where we were. Brainstorming one day we came up with the > idea to > have the compiler automatically put the name of the procedure just > before > the start of the code block, and then modifying the debugger to > automatically display the call chain. Brad Silverberg and I also had > fun > developing a rudimentary set of command line programs. > > Another category of challenging projects was coming up with the GUI > for > various apps and UI elements. It is fascinating to me how an > interface that > we take so much for granted today as obvious and intuitive was > everything > but that before we "discovered" it. Most impressive was how > developers got > some ideas that were different than the prevailing wisdom and did a > skunkworks prototype for comparison. At times the prototype hit the > target > in such an obvious way that it put an end to any further discussion. > Other > times it didn't feel quite right but led to further refinements in a > different direction. > > We all built on each other's code. The first one to come up with a > new kind > of alert or dialog often saw their code become the standard interface > for > that kind of behavior in other apps as well. These early libraries > got > refactored as the implementation matured. > > Q: Looking back at the Lisa from a 22 year perspective (1983-2005), > what do > you see as the best features of the Lisa? Worst? > > A: The Lisa was way ahead of its time. It took the Mac more than 10 > years > to get similar features in the OS. However, the Mac was much more > successful. The greatest contribution that Lisa made to the industry > was > the UI elements, libraries, and apps that gave birth to the Mac. > > Q: What was the hardest part about porting LisaDraw to MacDraw? I > assume > the memory constraints on the original Mac 128K and 512K machines. > > A: Squeezing the code into a limited physical memory space was the > biggest > challenge. I had to factor the code into a 48KByte core and a dozen > or so > 16KByte overlay segments. > > I will also send another email to the LisaList mailing list which > details > the development of the Lisa's user interface and which was written by > one of > the Lisa's devlopers. > > - David Craig > > ---------- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: "LisaList" <lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com> > >Subject: Lisa History > >Date: Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:53 PM > > > > Why has the Lisa team remained silent? Isn't there a book here? I'd > > personally love to have all the anecdotes and the like concerning > the > > Lisa's development to read. There's a little bit about it on the > Mac > > Folklore site, but everything is so Mac-centric. It would be > refreshing to > > read about the Lisa from a Lisa-centric perspective. > > > > Is everyone who was on the team still with us? It would be really > useful > > for the Lisa's History to be recorded while it's still possible. > > > > Steve > > -- > LisaList is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... > > Shop buy.com and save. <http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html> > > Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> > > LisaList info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html> > --> AOL users, remove "mailto:" > Send list messages to: <mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com> > To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/> > > iPod Accessories for Less > at 1-800-iPOD.COM > Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal > www.1800ipod.com > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html -- LisaList is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... 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