Re: PC Crap

2006-02-25 Thread Jerome Vernet 

macmoni a écrit :

Hi everybody,

I didn't ever expect to read such a lot of postings about PCs in the 
Lisa List :-0
... nor, that I will type the word "PC" in a mail and send that to the 
LisaList


I always thought:
Never put a Lisa too close to a PC

Agreed !

Never put any Apple near anything else, too. That why I have 70 apple 
system at home, and only 5 'PC':

- IBM AT
- Amstrad PC 1512, 164 and PPC 1640, because they are the first 
afordable computer

- a more 'recent' PC, Pentium III 900 Mhz

Jerome


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Re: PC Crap

2006-02-25 Thread macmoni 

Hi everybody,

I didn't ever expect to read such a lot of postings about PCs in the 
Lisa List :-0
... nor, that I will type the word "PC" in a mail and send that to the 
LisaList


I always thought:
Never put a Lisa too close to a PC
A Lisa is a very unique kind of computer. It has been the first 
commercial computer system (on this planet) using the GUI.
By the way, remember - and never forget - a Lisa is like an old Lady. 
Treat her with the amount of respect she deserves, and she will work 
and will never cause any problems. If you put her together with PCs, 
she only will steal them the show; you can't compare her with other 
computers, so don't even try to do so.


You see: Never put a Lisa to close to PCs...

That's the reason, why Jerome finally comes to the conclusion:
"Nothing to do, I still prefer Apple stuff!" ;-)

greetings TOM from Bavaria, the marvellous country in the center of 
Europe



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Re: PC Crap

2006-02-25 Thread Jerome Vernet 


Le 24 févr. 06, à 22:32, Jerome Vernet a écrit :



Le 24 févr. 06, à 21:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :


The IBM AT doesn't interest me a great deal because of its primitive 
OS
and bland hardware. But, it is interesting from a historical 
perspective,

because it was so successful in the market.


The only interest of the IBM is that it his the grandaddy of your 
actual PCs. Nothing changed from this time for the PC technology.



Anyway, this afternoon, I put my AT face to face my Lisa.




On one side,  Lisa 2 (upgraded Lisa 1) with 2 Mb of RAM, one parallel 
card, an 5 Mb Profile with  MacOs 4 on it.
On the other side, the AT: 3,5 Mb of RAM, an EGA card, a 32 Mb hard 
drive with MSDOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1


Power up the Lisa is a matter of expert: plug keyboard and mouse; plug 
the cable between Lisa and Profile, plug power cord, start the Profile 
-waiting 3 mn for 'ready' LED, then start the Lisa, hold on Apple key-3 
key. Enjoy macOs 4. I found Excel 1 and Word 3 on the disk. Not too 
much noisy. Look great !


For the AT, plug the monitor, plug power cord, plug keyboard and mouse 
(Microsoft one). Start the engine (litterally: high noise, the 5,25 
hard drive made an loud noise, fan, etc... Even the keyboard 'click' 
awfully ;) ). Wait 3 minute for the AT to test memory... Enjoy Windows 
3, with Excel 2 and Word 3 for windows.


Nothing to do, I still prefer Apple stuff!

This was also time to try to repair the disk drive of my Lisa: see 
separate post.



jerome



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Re: PC Crap

2006-02-24 Thread Jerome Vernet 


Le 24 févr. 06, à 21:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :


The IBM AT doesn't interest me a great deal because of its primitive OS
and bland hardware. But, it is interesting from a historical 
perspective,

because it was so successful in the market.


The only interest of the IBM is that it his the grandaddy of your 
actual PCs. Nothing changed from this time for the PC technology.




The inclusion of a working
hard disk seems to add value to the unit.


My AT have a working 32 Mb drive, 3 Mb of RAM and an EGA card/monitor.


Lisa owners know about how vital
a working vintage hard disk is!

Yes !


Does anyone have experience with 80186 machines? That was the black 
sheep

of the family, like Motorolla's 68010. ;)
Yes, I have a French computer, a Goupil G4, I think none of you had 
ever heard about ;). It have a 8 Mhz 80186, a working 5 Mb Hard Drive.
This computer was the faster PC at the time it was launched. It was 
also more expensive than the IBM at the same time ;) because 
essentially built for french administration.
An impressive system that actually run Microsoft Windows 1.0 (yes, it 
does !). I cannot compare to LisaOS, as my Lisa run only MacOs.

Jerome




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Re: PC Crap

2006-02-24 Thread sauersr 
There's really no reason to get angry about this either way. One man's
refuse is another's treasure, especially when it comes to computer
equipment. None of my friends understands how I can be enthusiastic about
old computer technology, such as the Lisa OS and hardware. But, they can
talk endlessly about the most boring (to me) linguistic topics, like
cases, and one of them finds the Cincinnati local news channel fascinating
enough to watch twice daily.

The IBM AT doesn't interest me a great deal because of its primitive OS
and bland hardware. But, it is interesting from a historical perspective,
because it was so successful in the market. The inclusion of a working
hard disk seems to add value to the unit. Lisa owners know about how vital
a working vintage hard disk is!

Does anyone have experience with 80186 machines? That was the black sheep
of the family, like Motorolla's 68010. ;)

As for the Lisa's failure in the market, that's undeniable. But, market
success doesn't say a lot about the quality of products, sometimes, or
perhaps often. Although psychological research has found that people find
averaged faces more attractive (the more average the face, the more
attractive we find it), average technology is usually nothing to get
excited about. Unless, perhaps, you're Dell. ;)

> right. And where do you get all those PCs and ATs.
> You're really very ignorant of the value of those
> things. And from the sound of it, ignorant in general.
> And keep in mind, if it weren't for all that "crap",
> your expensive Apples wouldn't be priced even as low
> as they are.
>  The problem probably is you never figured out how to
> use some of that "pc crap" and you're bitter lol.
>
> --- John  Woodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> I didn't realize this was a clearing house for old
>> PC junk.  And I thought
>> there were newsgroups for Apple bashing. As for all
>> that PC junk...at least
>> once a month I throw IBM PCs and ATs into the
>> dumpster at the
>> landfill/recycle center. I can't give that crap away
>>
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Re: PC Crap

2006-02-24 Thread Chris M 
right. And where do you get all those PCs and ATs.
You're really very ignorant of the value of those
things. And from the sound of it, ignorant in general.
And keep in mind, if it weren't for all that "crap",
your expensive Apples wouldn't be priced even as low
as they are.
 The problem probably is you never figured out how to
use some of that "pc crap" and you're bitter lol.

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> once a month I throw IBM PCs and ATs into the
> dumpster at the 
> landfill/recycle center. I can't give that crap away
> 
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PC Crap

2006-02-24 Thread John Woodall 
I didn't realize this was a clearing house for old PC junk.  And I thought 
there were newsgroups for Apple bashing. As for all that PC junk...at least 
once a month I throw IBM PCs and ATs into the dumpster at the 
landfill/recycle center. I can't give that crap away 




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