Re: Alice
Shirl wrote: Apple's first Lisa game was most likely the MAZE program written by Steve Capps, the author of the ALICE game. I recall reading a ST. MAC maqgazine article about MAZE which talked about its origins on the Lisa. I believe ALICE came after MAZE. If you Google for information about Andy Hertzfeld's program Switcher for the Mac 512K, you'll find various anecdotes about its creation. One of them involves a letter from Bill Gates to Andy, saying how delighted he was with the demo version of Switcher, and how he had wasted far too much time playing Amazing (Steve Capps' maze game, that Andy used to demo Switcher). You should try to contact Steve Capps directly and see if he has the Lisa version. If he does, you may not be able to run it since it most likely was written for the LISA MONITOR environment which is super rare. This environment was Apple's internal development environment for the Lisa predating the LISA WORKSHOP environment. The other Lisa environment from Apple was the LISA OPERATING SYSTEM which was used by the LISA OFFICE SYSTEM. That doesn't surprise me too much. I've looked at Alice for the Mac with ResEdit, and it does all sorts of naughty things, like writing the title screen directly to video memory, and not using the Mac's system of resources. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Alice
Hi Anthony, Your comments about the Amazing and Alice games are interesting reading. Andy Hertzfeld's Macintosh Folklore web site (www.folklore.org) has the Amazing story you mention. I have the source listing to Amazing which I got from Steve Capps many years ago. This was written mostly in Lisa Pascal with a bit of 68000 assembly language using the Lisa Monitor development environment. As you said about Alice's programming, Amazing too contains hardware dependent features. I recall Amazing was written for the original Macintosh's small black-and-white screen and updated the screen's memory buffer directly instead of using the LisaGraf (opps, I mean QuickDraw) graphics library. Q: Can you send me a copy of the Alice disk you have in disk copy format? I don't have a copy of this game and would like one if possible. I can send you the Amazing program and source listing. - David Craig -- From: Anthony Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: Alice Date: Wed, Nov 23, 2005, 6:59 AM Shirl wrote: Apple's first Lisa game was most likely the MAZE program written by Steve Capps, the author of the ALICE game. I recall reading a ST. MAC maqgazine article about MAZE which talked about its origins on the Lisa. I believe ALICE came after MAZE. If you Google for information about Andy Hertzfeld's program Switcher for the Mac 512K, you'll find various anecdotes about its creation. One of them involves a letter from Bill Gates to Andy, saying how delighted he was with the demo version of Switcher, and how he had wasted far too much time playing Amazing (Steve Capps' maze game, that Andy used to demo Switcher). You should try to contact Steve Capps directly and see if he has the Lisa version. If he does, you may not be able to run it since it most likely was written for the LISA MONITOR environment which is super rare. This environment was Apple's internal development environment for the Lisa predating the LISA WORKSHOP environment. The other Lisa environment from Apple was the LISA OPERATING SYSTEM which was used by the LISA OFFICE SYSTEM. That doesn't surprise me too much. I've looked at Alice for the Mac with ResEdit, and it does all sorts of naughty things, like writing the title screen directly to video memory, and not using the Mac's system of resources. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Alice
I don't think anyone has the Lisa version of Alice. I wrote to several members of the original Mac team, including Capps, and only received a reply from one of them, I believe it was the creator of folklore.org. If I'm wrong, I'd love to get a copy. After all, it's Apple's first game, right? That makes the Lisa the first Apple computer to run an Apple game. Steve Could someone with a Lisa, and a copy of Steve Capps' game Alice Through The Looking Glass, tell me how you summon the Cheshire Cat (the configuration menu) in that version of the game? I've been trying to do it in the Mac version, but to no avail. How much disk space does the Lisa version use? The version for the Mac takes up 80K; is it possible that the Cheshire Cat was removed to allow the game to run in 128K? -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
