Re: Networking a Lisa

2006-02-05 Thread James MacPhail 

>I have a hacked (not by me) localtalk connector
>
>The lisa is running OS 6.0.8, and the Wallstreet is running 9.2.
>
>when using the chooser I can see the Wallstreet, I can even attempt to
>connect, and the Lisa displays a list of Wallstreet volumes.


I think this indicates you do have (more or less) appropriate software
installed and your hacked localtalk connector is working.


>However, when I try to fully connect, nothing happens!!!
>
>Trying the same thing on the Lisa under OS 7.0.1 causes the system to
>crash with the error:
>
>"Sorry, a system error occurred. "Chooser" divide by zero"


I have observed a similar issue with various computers running system
software pre MacOS 8, including a MacPlus, and IIsi.

I believe the reason is that Apple implemented a new "User Authentication
Module" around the time of Mac OS 8 to improve security, and for whatever
reason, it is not fully backwards-compatible (or perhaps you need to find
just the right version of the AppleShare Workstation Software).

Searching around on Apple's web site, I found various technotes including
this one:

  

Which says, in part:

"Computers that are running system software earlier than system software
7.5.1 should run AppleShare Workstation 3.5. Computers that are running
system software 7.5.1 or later (up to but not including 7.5.3) should run
AppleShare Workstation 3.6.5."

Of course any particular version won't necessarily work on the Lisa, but it
gives you a limit as to how new a version is worth trying.

If you do find a particular combination of system software and AppleShare
software that does allow you to mount a MacOS 9 volume on your Lisa, please
let us know!

Suggestions:

I find that the newer system versions can mount volumes shared by the older
versions. ie. if you run System 7.x on your Lisa, and turn on file sharing,
you may be able to mount it on the Wallstreet.

Alternately, I use an older computer running System 7.5.5 as a file server.
I then mount a volume from this on both older and newer computers, and use
it to transfer files between them. Since I change configurations often, I
find the extra hop is less trouble than fiddling with file sharing in each
new configuration.

HTH,

James

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering"
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Re: Networking a Lisa

2006-02-05 Thread Philip Lord 

Thanks James,
I will try to connect the Lisa to another mac with an older system.  
See if this helps.


I have tried to see the Lisa from the Wallstreet side but nothing  
appears in the chooser. I will double check again that sharing on the  
Lisa side is on.


Thanks again for the info, I will let you all know how I go.

Phil





On Feb 6, 2006, at 8:17 AM, James MacPhail wrote:


I have a hacked (not by me) localtalk connector

The lisa is running OS 6.0.8, and the Wallstreet is running 9.2.

when using the chooser I can see the Wallstreet, I can even  
attempt to

connect, and the Lisa displays a list of Wallstreet volumes.



I think this indicates you do have (more or less) appropriate software
installed and your hacked localtalk connector is working.



However, when I try to fully connect, nothing happens!!!

Trying the same thing on the Lisa under OS 7.0.1 causes the system to
crash with the error:

"Sorry, a system error occurred. "Chooser" divide by zero"



I have observed a similar issue with various computers running system
software pre MacOS 8, including a MacPlus, and IIsi.

I believe the reason is that Apple implemented a new "User  
Authentication
Module" around the time of Mac OS 8 to improve security, and for  
whatever
reason, it is not fully backwards-compatible (or perhaps you need  
to find

just the right version of the AppleShare Workstation Software).

Searching around on Apple's web site, I found various technotes  
including

this one:

  

Which says, in part:

"Computers that are running system software earlier than system  
software
7.5.1 should run AppleShare Workstation 3.5. Computers that are  
running
system software 7.5.1 or later (up to but not including 7.5.3)  
should run

AppleShare Workstation 3.6.5."

Of course any particular version won't necessarily work on the  
Lisa, but it

gives you a limit as to how new a version is worth trying.

If you do find a particular combination of system software and  
AppleShare
software that does allow you to mount a MacOS 9 volume on your  
Lisa, please

let us know!

Suggestions:

I find that the newer system versions can mount volumes shared by  
the older
versions. ie. if you run System 7.x on your Lisa, and turn on file  
sharing,

you may be able to mount it on the Wallstreet.

Alternately, I use an older computer running System 7.5.5 as a file  
server.
I then mount a volume from this on both older and newer computers,  
and use
it to transfer files between them. Since I change configurations  
often, I
find the extra hop is less trouble than fiddling with file sharing  
in each

new configuration.

HTH,

James

James MacPhail   "Think not of engineering as art,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering"
Sigma Seven Systems Ltd.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Networking a Lisa

2006-02-06 Thread Philip Lord 

Ok,
Partial success!
I can now connect my Lisa running OS 6.0.8 and 7.0.1 to a Powerbook  
2400c running 8.6.

However I can not see the Lisa from the Powerbook side.

On the lisa running 7.0.1 if I open the 'sharing' control panel, I  
can enter in the 'owners name', the 'computer name' and the password,  
but I can't see any button that says 'START' sharing???!!!
It's been a while since I have done file sharing in OS 7, but I  
assumed there would be a 'START' button like in OS 9. Where has it  
gone? Am I looking in the right place?


As for OS6, last time I used sharing on this system was about 18  
years ago, so I really have no idea how to start file sharing at all  
under 6.


Phil




On Feb 6, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Philip Lord wrote:


Thanks James,
I will try to connect the Lisa to another mac with an older system.  
See if this helps.


I have tried to see the Lisa from the Wallstreet side but nothing  
appears in the chooser. I will double check again that sharing on  
the Lisa side is on.


Thanks again for the info, I will let you all know how I go.

Phil





On Feb 6, 2006, at 8:17 AM, James MacPhail wrote:


I have a hacked (not by me) localtalk connector

The lisa is running OS 6.0.8, and the Wallstreet is running 9.2.

when using the chooser I can see the Wallstreet, I can even  
attempt to

connect, and the Lisa displays a list of Wallstreet volumes.



I think this indicates you do have (more or less) appropriate  
software

installed and your hacked localtalk connector is working.



However, when I try to fully connect, nothing happens!!!

Trying the same thing on the Lisa under OS 7.0.1 causes the  
system to

crash with the error:

"Sorry, a system error occurred. "Chooser" divide by zero"



I have observed a similar issue with various computers running system
software pre MacOS 8, including a MacPlus, and IIsi.

I believe the reason is that Apple implemented a new "User  
Authentication
Module" around the time of Mac OS 8 to improve security, and for  
whatever
reason, it is not fully backwards-compatible (or perhaps you need  
to find

just the right version of the AppleShare Workstation Software).

Searching around on Apple's web site, I found various technotes  
including

this one:

  

Which says, in part:

"Computers that are running system software earlier than system  
software
7.5.1 should run AppleShare Workstation 3.5. Computers that are  
running
system software 7.5.1 or later (up to but not including 7.5.3)  
should run

AppleShare Workstation 3.6.5."

Of course any particular version won't necessarily work on the  
Lisa, but it

gives you a limit as to how new a version is worth trying.

If you do find a particular combination of system software and  
AppleShare
software that does allow you to mount a MacOS 9 volume on your  
Lisa, please

let us know!

Suggestions:

I find that the newer system versions can mount volumes shared by  
the older
versions. ie. if you run System 7.x on your Lisa, and turn on file  
sharing,

you may be able to mount it on the Wallstreet.

Alternately, I use an older computer running System 7.5.5 as a  
file server.
I then mount a volume from this on both older and newer computers,  
and use
it to transfer files between them. Since I change configurations  
often, I
find the extra hop is less trouble than fiddling with file sharing  
in each

new configuration.

HTH,

James

James MacPhail   "Think not of engineering as art,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering"
Sigma Seven Systems Ltd.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Networking a Lisa

2006-02-07 Thread macmoni 

Hi Phil,

try, whether this routine accepts keyboard inputs?
type in the 'owners name'
ENTER
type in the 'computer name'
ENTER
type in the password
ENTER


What happens now?

TOM from a snowy Bavaria, the country of the marvellous castles of 
Koenig Ludwig, the Alps, the original Octoberfest in the center of 
Europe



Am 07.02.2006 um 04:38 schrieb Philip Lord:


Ok,
Partial success!
I can now connect my Lisa running OS 6.0.8 and 7.0.1 to a Powerbook 
2400c running 8.6.

However I can not see the Lisa from the Powerbook side.

On the lisa running 7.0.1 if I open the 'sharing' control panel, I can 
enter in the 'owners name', the 'computer name' and the password, but 
I can't see any button that says 'START' sharing???!!!
It's been a while since I have done file sharing in OS 7, but I 
assumed there would be a 'START' button like in OS 9. Where has it 
gone? Am I looking in the right place?


As for OS6, last time I used sharing on this system was about 18 years 
ago, so I really have no idea how to start file sharing at all under 
6.


Phil




On Feb 6, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Philip Lord wrote:


Thanks James,
I will try to connect the Lisa to another mac with an older system. 
See if this helps.


I have tried to see the Lisa from the Wallstreet side but nothing 
appears in the chooser. I will double check again that sharing on the 
Lisa side is on.


Thanks again for the info, I will let you all know how I go.

Phil





On Feb 6, 2006, at 8:17 AM, James MacPhail wrote:


I have a hacked (not by me) localtalk connector

The lisa is running OS 6.0.8, and the Wallstreet is running 9.2.

when using the chooser I can see the Wallstreet, I can even attempt 
to

connect, and the Lisa displays a list of Wallstreet volumes.



I think this indicates you do have (more or less) appropriate 
software

installed and your hacked localtalk connector is working.



However, when I try to fully connect, nothing happens!!!

Trying the same thing on the Lisa under OS 7.0.1 causes the system 
to

crash with the error:

"Sorry, a system error occurred. "Chooser" divide by zero"



I have observed a similar issue with various computers running system
software pre MacOS 8, including a MacPlus, and IIsi.

I believe the reason is that Apple implemented a new "User 
Authentication
Module" around the time of Mac OS 8 to improve security, and for 
whatever
reason, it is not fully backwards-compatible (or perhaps you need to 
find

just the right version of the AppleShare Workstation Software).

Searching around on Apple's web site, I found various technotes 
including

this one:

  

Which says, in part:

"Computers that are running system software earlier than system 
software
7.5.1 should run AppleShare Workstation 3.5. Computers that are 
running
system software 7.5.1 or later (up to but not including 7.5.3) 
should run

AppleShare Workstation 3.6.5."

Of course any particular version won't necessarily work on the Lisa, 
but it

gives you a limit as to how new a version is worth trying.

If you do find a particular combination of system software and 
AppleShare
software that does allow you to mount a MacOS 9 volume on your Lisa, 
please

let us know!

Suggestions:

I find that the newer system versions can mount volumes shared by 
the older
versions. ie. if you run System 7.x on your Lisa, and turn on file 
sharing,

you may be able to mount it on the Wallstreet.

Alternately, I use an older computer running System 7.5.5 as a file 
server.
I then mount a volume from this on both older and newer computers, 
and use
it to transfer files between them. Since I change configurations 
often, I
find the extra hop is less trouble than fiddling with file sharing 
in each

new configuration.

HTH,

James

James MacPhail   "Think not of engineering as art,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering"
Sigma Seven Systems Ltd.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Networking a Lisa

2006-02-07 Thread Philip Lord 

Hi,
Unfortunately nothing happened.

I decided to reinstall OS 7 (downgrade from 7.0.1). I also installed  
the 'Tune Up' for System 7.


Upon restart I found I could now see the 'Start' file sharing button  
that was missing before. I pressed it and instantly got the message  
"A problem with your system was encountered. Please reinstall your  
system software". Strangely enough this was the messgae I previously  
got (and still get) with the old system when I pressed the "Start"  
program linking button...so I'm no closer to getting full networking  
to work.


So now I'm truly stumped.

Phil

On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:00 PM, macmoni wrote:


Hi Phil,

try, whether this routine accepts keyboard inputs?
type in the 'owners name'
ENTER
type in the 'computer name'
ENTER
type in the password
ENTER


What happens now?

TOM from a snowy Bavaria, the country of the marvellous castles of  
Koenig Ludwig, the Alps, the original Octoberfest in the center of  
Europe



Am 07.02.2006 um 04:38 schrieb Philip Lord:


Ok,
Partial success!
I can now connect my Lisa running OS 6.0.8 and 7.0.1 to a  
Powerbook 2400c running 8.6.

However I can not see the Lisa from the Powerbook side.

On the lisa running 7.0.1 if I open the 'sharing' control panel, I  
can enter in the 'owners name', the 'computer name' and the  
password, but I can't see any button that says 'START' sharing???!!!
It's been a while since I have done file sharing in OS 7, but I  
assumed there would be a 'START' button like in OS 9. Where has it  
gone? Am I looking in the right place?


As for OS6, last time I used sharing on this system was about 18  
years ago, so I really have no idea how to start file sharing at  
all under 6.


Phil




On Feb 6, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Philip Lord wrote:


Thanks James,
I will try to connect the Lisa to another mac with an older  
system. See if this helps.


I have tried to see the Lisa from the Wallstreet side but nothing  
appears in the chooser. I will double check again that sharing on  
the Lisa side is on.


Thanks again for the info, I will let you all know how I go.

Phil





On Feb 6, 2006, at 8:17 AM, James MacPhail wrote:


I have a hacked (not by me) localtalk connector

The lisa is running OS 6.0.8, and the Wallstreet is running 9.2.

when using the chooser I can see the Wallstreet, I can even  
attempt to

connect, and the Lisa displays a list of Wallstreet volumes.



I think this indicates you do have (more or less) appropriate  
software

installed and your hacked localtalk connector is working.



However, when I try to fully connect, nothing happens!!!

Trying the same thing on the Lisa under OS 7.0.1 causes the  
system to

crash with the error:

"Sorry, a system error occurred. "Chooser" divide by zero"



I have observed a similar issue with various computers running  
system

software pre MacOS 8, including a MacPlus, and IIsi.

I believe the reason is that Apple implemented a new "User  
Authentication
Module" around the time of Mac OS 8 to improve security, and for  
whatever
reason, it is not fully backwards-compatible (or perhaps you  
need to find

just the right version of the AppleShare Workstation Software).

Searching around on Apple's web site, I found various technotes  
including

this one:

  

Which says, in part:

"Computers that are running system software earlier than system  
software
7.5.1 should run AppleShare Workstation 3.5. Computers that are  
running
system software 7.5.1 or later (up to but not including 7.5.3)  
should run

AppleShare Workstation 3.6.5."

Of course any particular version won't necessarily work on the  
Lisa, but it

gives you a limit as to how new a version is worth trying.

If you do find a particular combination of system software and  
AppleShare
software that does allow you to mount a MacOS 9 volume on your  
Lisa, please

let us know!

Suggestions:

I find that the newer system versions can mount volumes shared  
by the older
versions. ie. if you run System 7.x on your Lisa, and turn on  
file sharing,

you may be able to mount it on the Wallstreet.

Alternately, I use an older computer running System 7.5.5 as a  
file server.
I then mount a volume from this on both older and newer  
computers, and use
it to transfer files between them. Since I change configurations  
often, I
find the extra hop is less trouble than fiddling with file  
sharing in each

new configuration.

HTH,

James

James MacPhail   "Think not of engineering as art,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering"
Sigma Seven Systems Ltd.
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Re: Networking a Lisa

2006-02-08 Thread James MacPhail 

>I can now connect my Lisa running OS 6.0.8 and 7.0.1 to a Powerbook
>2400c running 8.6. However I can not see the Lisa from the Powerbook side.

>I really have no idea how to start file sharing at all under 6.

The file server feature first appeared in System 7, so computers running
earlier systems can only be clients (unless you use third-party sharing
software).

Do you have an XLerator installed and turned on? If not, you won't be able
to use the Lisa as a server with file sharing in System 7, although you
should still be able to connect as a client. For more info, see page 9 of
the MacWorks Plus II - Series 1 Update - Manual Addendum.

I also believe that you need more than 2 MB to run System 7 successfully,
so if you have an XLerator, make sure you have at least 4 MB installed.

SCSI <-> Ethernet boxes appeared some time after the MW+II update, so you
_might_ be able to turn on file sharing without an XLerator if you are
networked through one of these (or they might require an XLerator too). I
have successfully used an Asante Mini EN/SC-10T (with an XLerator), but
others may work too.

HTH,

James

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering"
Sigma Seven Systems Ltd.
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Re: Networking a Lisa

2006-02-08 Thread Philip Lord 

Thanks James,
That's obviously the answer. I just read the manual.

Thanks for your time in tracking down that crucial piece of information.

Phil


On Feb 8, 2006, at 8:31 PM, James MacPhail wrote:


I can now connect my Lisa running OS 6.0.8 and 7.0.1 to a Powerbook
2400c running 8.6. However I can not see the Lisa from the  
Powerbook side.



I really have no idea how to start file sharing at all under 6.


The file server feature first appeared in System 7, so computers  
running
earlier systems can only be clients (unless you use third-party  
sharing

software).

Do you have an XLerator installed and turned on? If not, you won't  
be able
to use the Lisa as a server with file sharing in System 7, although  
you
should still be able to connect as a client. For more info, see  
page 9 of

the MacWorks Plus II - Series 1 Update - Manual Addendum.

I also believe that you need more than 2 MB to run System 7  
successfully,
so if you have an XLerator, make sure you have at least 4 MB  
installed.


SCSI <-> Ethernet boxes appeared some time after the MW+II update,  
so you

_might_ be able to turn on file sharing without an XLerator if you are
networked through one of these (or they might require an XLerator  
too). I
have successfully used an Asante Mini EN/SC-10T (with an XLerator),  
but

others may work too.

HTH,

James

James MacPhail   "Think not of engineering as art,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering"
Sigma Seven Systems Ltd.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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