Re: She Lives!! Widget is running!

[Chris Riedl]

   There are a few documents here and there on the drive, though nothing as 
interesting as those that you found!  I realize now that due to the style 
and age of the drive, that the sounds are definitely normal.  I just forgot 
about the drives of this age that I heard in some friends' PC's long ago.


-Chris
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Subject: Re: She Lives!! Widget is running!


Cool! Glad you got her working! Previous owner leave any interesting 
documents? I got a profile a while back that was full of engineering 
drawings!


The widget is the most unique sounding drive I've ever heard. Mine runs 
very quietly actually, save the squeaka de squeak of the head voice coil. 
I notice it makes the mouse sound when it has to make a long seek, and a 
more regular hard disk sound for the short ones.


-J


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Re: She Lives!! Widget is running!

[Jason Perkins]

Cool! Glad you got her working! Previous owner leave any interesting 
documents? I got a profile a while back that was full of engineering 
drawings!


The widget is the most unique sounding drive I've ever heard. Mine runs very 
quietly actually, save the squeaka de squeak of the head voice coil. I 
notice it makes the mouse sound when it has to make a long seek, and a more 
regular hard disk sound for the short ones.


-J


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Re: She Lives!! Widget is running!

[macmoni]

Hi Chris,

congratulation !


What are normal Widget sounds?

In general very loud, compared to the nowadays hf-drives :-)
...if an occasional chirp-like sound (rapid movement of R/W head 
motors?) is normal.
Yes, that's "normal". I also have that sound on my drives. 
Approximately once to twice each 5 minutes, if I remember. But lasting 
only approx 0.5 seconds.
How long do things like the calculator, for instance, take to be 
loaded?
If you think of the Calculator from Mac OS running as emulation on a 
Lisa, the application will last less than 2 seconds and it appears on 
the screen, when loaded from the widget with my Lisa.
I've never had the pleasure of working with a Lisa before, so I don't 
know what to expect.
Treat the old Lady with respect and she will honour that - with respect 
:-)


greetings TOM from Bavaria


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She Lives!! Widget is running!

[Chris Riedl]

After putting two and two together, I knew the Widget had a controller 
board problem somewhere.  From inspecting and cleaning the other boards in 
the Lisa, I discovered that Apple had used the cheaper style of IC sockets 
on the boards, stamped vs machined contacts.  The machined sockets don't 
seem to hold up as well over time, so I figured I'd do what I normally do in 
desperation, reseat ICs in order to clean the pins.  I must have done 
something right, as the next boot, the Widget fired up to life, the brake 
clacked, and the Lisa began to boot!!!  I am gathering that one of the 
EPROMs must have not been making contact with the socket, thus the 
controller board wasn't running at all, and the Lisa would rarely see the 
Widget, if at all.  I would certainly suggest trying to reseat all socketed 
IC's on any controller boards before throwing in the towel on a drive.


   I'm curious to know now, though.  What are normal Widget sounds?  I'm 
not used to drives of this vintage, so I don't know if an occasional 
chirp-like sound (rapid movement of R/W head motors?) is normal. 
Additionally, is there a benchmark to see if the drive is working optimally? 
How long do things like the calculator, for instance, take to be loaded? 
I've never had the pleasure of working with a Lisa before, so I don't know 
what to expect.


Thanks,
Chris




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