[pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
Is there a difference between the 4 and the 1C4? Is Netgate just trying to fleece people for an extra $200 by packaging the entire thing together built and tested? http://store.netgate.com/kit-APU1C4.aspx http://store.netgate.com/APU4.aspx PC Engines only has the APU1C/APU1C4 listed with the

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 02:40:44PM +, Ryan Coleman wrote: Is there a difference between the 4 and the 1C4? Is Netgate just trying to fleece people for an extra $200 by packaging the entire thing together built and tested? http://store.netgate.com/kit-APU1C4.aspx

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
I asked the differences in the two line items from netgate. On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:56, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 02:40:44PM +, Ryan Coleman wrote: Is there a difference between the 4 and the 1C4? Is Netgate just trying to fleece people for an extra

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Jim Thompson
On Jul 22, 2014, at 10:58, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote: I asked the differences in the two line items from netgate. Perhaps you should ask sa...@netgate.com Jim ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Nickolai Leschov
The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk Extreme Secure [sic!] SDHC card included. 1. What's *secure* about this card? I suppose it's a regular SDHC one. 2. I would like to pay less, but I'm worried about assembling it right with regards to cooling. Can anyone clarify how is

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
Just like the others: dissipation through the aluminum case. Mine get toasty but they haven't cooked yet. You could cut a fan in the case if you needed to. On Jul 22, 2014, at 14:29, Nickolai Leschov nlesc...@gmail.com wrote: The difference is not $200, but about $100 with 8GB Sandisk

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Nickolai Leschov
Just like the others: dissipation through the aluminum case How does the CPU connect to the aluminum case? Is there some thermal interface involved? Maybe an interface between CPU heatsink and aluminum case? Mine get toasty but they haven't cooked yet. You could cut a fan in the case if you

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Jim Thompson
On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:19, Nickolai Leschov nlesc...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder why they wouldn't just build the board with some appropriate Atom CPU? :-) And maybe even more performant, to boot? E3815, probably? Bay Trail? Why? That's for tablets. C2xx8 more likely.

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Jim Thompson
On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:19, Nickolai Leschov nlesc...@gmail.com wrote: Just like the others: dissipation through the aluminum case How does the CPU connect to the aluminum case? Is there some thermal interface involved? Maybe an interface between CPU heatsink and aluminum case? Yes, there

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
Do you happen to have an image of this? On Jul 22, 2014, at 16:28, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote: On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:19, Nickolai Leschov nlesc...@gmail.com wrote: Just like the others: dissipation through the aluminum case How does the CPU connect to the aluminum case?

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Nickolai Leschov
Bay Trail? Why? That's for tablets. What's the difference, in practical terms? ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list

[pfSense] pfsense fw blocking internal requests

2014-07-22 Thread Khurram Khan
Hi Team, Trying to figure out an issue i'm facing with pfsense 2.1.4. I'm routing 192.168.0.0/24 via pfsense. this block resides on a linux machine. within the internal LAB if i ping to 192.168.0.5 , all the machines on the LAN can ping successfully. However, if i ping from the linux machine ,

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Holger Bauer
http://pcengines.ch/apucool.htm Holger Am 22.07.2014 23:31 schrieb Nickolai Leschov nlesc...@gmail.com: Yes, there is a transfer pad. What is this pad made of: some metal or is this a thermal shim, which is a sort of paste? ___ List mailing list

Re: [pfSense] pfsense fw blocking internal requests

2014-07-22 Thread Justin Edmands
It's most likely your specified Protocol in the allow rule you have set. Open the rule that you believe should allow the traffic and change the rule from TCP, UDP, TCP/UDP to say any. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Khurram Khan brokenf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Team, Trying to figure out an

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Nickolai Leschov
Thanks, Holger! I didn't notice this page. So it looks like it's some kind of thermal paste allows for adequate thermal conductivity between the CPU/south bridge and the aluminum heat spreader, but the heat spreader is in dry contact with the case? I find it less than adequate, but let's hope

Re: [pfSense] pfsense fw blocking internal requests

2014-07-22 Thread Khurram Khan
protocol in the rule is any. here's what the rule looks like: Action:Pass Interface: LAN TCP/IP: IPv4 protocol: any source: Type: network, address: 192.168.0.0/24 destination: any On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Justin Edmands wrote: It's most likely your specified Protocol in the allow rule

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Chris Bagnall
On 22/7/14 11:17 pm, Nickolai Leschov wrote: I didn't notice this page. So it looks like it's some kind of thermal paste allows for adequate thermal conductivity between the CPU/south bridge and the aluminum heat spreader, but the heat spreader is in dry contact with the case? The one I've

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Jim Thompson
Very little if this thread is related to pfSense. Please stay on topic. -- Jim On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:32, Chris Bagnall pfse...@lists.minotaur.cc wrote: On 22/7/14 11:17 pm, Nickolai Leschov wrote: I didn't notice this page. So it looks like it's some kind of thermal paste allows for

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
Look fuck nut: branded and shipped hardware is 100% on topic. Thank you. On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:10, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote: Very little if this thread is related to pfSense. Please stay on topic. -- Jim On Jul 22, 2014, at 17:32, Chris Bagnall

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Jim Thompson
Ryan, Profanity and personal attacks have no place on this list. -- Jim On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:12, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote: Look fuck nut: branded and shipped hardware is 100% on topic. Thank you. On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:10, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote: Very

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Sean Colins
Who is the list mom and why is he/she not responding to this? On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote: Look fuck nut: branded and shipped hardware is 100% on topic. Thank you. On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:10, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote: Very little if this

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Chris Bagnall
On 23/7/14 2:10 am, Jim Thompson wrote: Very little if this thread is related to pfSense. Please stay on topic. Respectfully, I disagree. Given the APU is - as the de facto successor to the ALIX - likely to be a piece of hardware used in a lot of new pfSense installs, discussion about its

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Jim Thompson
On Jul 22, 2014, at 16:30, Nickolai Leschov nlesc...@gmail.com wrote: Bay Trail? Why? That's for tablets. What's the difference, in practical terms? First: Rangeley has an integrated i354 10/100/1000 quad Ethernet MAC. Bay Trail requires one to add Ethernet Second: Rangeley has a

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Jim Thompson
I am. I have. I'm trying to be patient and professional. On Jul 22, 2014, at 20:47, Sean Colins s...@corequick.com wrote: Who is the list mom and why is he/she not responding to this? On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote: Look fuck nut: branded and

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
Neither do accusations that a discussion that is VERY MUCH related to this list has no place on this list. Just because it does not relate to what YOU use pfsense for doesn’t mean it does not belong. If that were the case most of the emails I get on a daily basis have no place on this list.

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
::applause:: I may have fired off the message in a fit of frustration but you made it a public statement - if you wanted to be the “mom” and handle it you should have sent it privately instead of publicly. — Ryan On Jul 22, 2014, at 21:15, Chris Bagnall pfse...@lists.minotaur.cc wrote: On

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Chris Bagnall
On 23/7/14 4:11 am, Ryan Coleman wrote: I may have fired off the message in a fit of frustration but you made it a public statement - if you wanted to be the “mom” and handle it you should have sent it privately instead of publicly. I can't work out if the above is directed at me or Jim. (I

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Blake Cornell
It is my believe that we all are on this list, in this discussion, because we have a requirement, desire and/or need of a solid network security solution. I applaud the community as a whole for making pfSense a product for that is available for the societal masses. #respect Give me your low TTL,

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
Sorry, that was at our wonderful list mom. I should have noted it that way. On Jul 22, 2014, at 22:18, Chris Bagnall pfse...@lists.minotaur.cc wrote: On 23/7/14 4:11 am, Ryan Coleman wrote: I may have fired off the message in a fit of frustration but you made it a public statement - if you

Re: [pfSense] Difference between APU4 and APU1C4

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan Coleman
Actually the margin is more like $250 - the board, case, SD all cost about $145 if you buy them from PCEngines. My fleecing comment is based on the lack of a statement that says if you don’t want the support you can look at this model, or give an option to opt out of the support. Also calling