Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, February 13, 2014 09:43:36 PM Jostein Elvaker Haande wrote: The latter exposes not only the core of the product, but also the workflow and priorities of those involved in the making of pfSense. It's a level of transparency that you see more and more of, and for me personally, is

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-14 Thread Brian Candler
On 13/02/2014 19:43, Jostein Elvaker Haande wrote: The thing that brand names as Netgear now sells out of the box products with re-imaged pfSense distributions is for me a no brainer. Not only does it increase the user base of pfSense, meaning that bugs, performance issues etc are more easily

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-14 Thread Jostein Elvaker Haande
On 14 February 2014 11:54, Brian Candler b.cand...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 19:43, Jostein Elvaker Haande wrote: The thing that brand names as Netgear now sells out of the box [..] I welcome Netgear to the pfSense community as a most welcome addition, and I hope to see similar

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-14 Thread Jim Thompson
On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:15 AM, Jostein Elvaker Haande jehaa...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 February 2014 11:54, Brian Candler b.cand...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/02/2014 19:43, Jostein Elvaker Haande wrote: The thing that brand names as Netgear now sells out of the box [..] I welcome Netgear to

[pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Andrew Hull
Hi List, Having purchased several pfSense devices assembled by Netgate (m1n1wall and FW-7541), I've noticed that the pfSense pre-install image was customized with Netgate branding and the firmware auto-update mechanism was set to a Netgate URL. Has this been discussed on the list before? My

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread David Burgess
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Andrew Hull l...@coffeebreath.org wrote: My knee jerk reaction is that this is A Bad Thing(tm), and I reloaded the devices with images from ESF. Does anyone here have a strong opinion one way or the other? My first reaction is that the branding is a good

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Mathieu Simon (Lists)
Am 13.02.2014 17:54, schrieb Andrew Hull: [...] I've noticed that the pfSense pre-install image was customized with Netgate branding and the firmware auto-update mechanism was set to a Netgate URL. Has this been discussed on the list before? I don't think often for what I can remember.

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Buechler
On Thursday, February 13, 2014, Andrew Hull l...@coffeebreath.org wrote: Hi List, Having purchased several pfSense devices assembled by Netgate (m1n1wall and FW-7541), I've noticed that the pfSense pre-install image was customized with Netgate branding and the firmware auto-update mechanism

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Thompson
On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote: On Thursday, February 13, 2014, Andrew Hull l...@coffeebreath.org wrote: Hi List, Having purchased several pfSense devices assembled by Netgate (m1n1wall and FW-7541), I've noticed that the pfSense pre-install image was

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Thompson
On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Mathieu Simon (Lists) matsimon.li...@simweb.ch wrote: Am 13.02.2014 17:54, schrieb Andrew Hull: [...] I've noticed that the pfSense pre-install image was customized with Netgate branding and the firmware auto-update mechanism was set to a Netgate URL.

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Jeremy Bennett
My knee jerk reaction is that this is A Bad Thing(tm), and I reloaded the devices with images from ESF. Does anyone here have a strong opinion one way or the other? In principle, perhaps, in practice probably not. I've been using pfSense for awhile now, and buying hardware from Netgate for

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Jostein Elvaker Haande
On 13 February 2014 17:54, Andrew Hull l...@coffeebreath.org wrote: My knee jerk reaction is that this is A Bad Thing(tm), and I reloaded the I don't think this is a bad thing at all, I only consider it to be a sign that pfSense is starting to really get a good foothold in the market, and

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Andrew Hull
On 14-02-13 01:44 PM, Jeremy Porter wrote: I'm might disagree with that, because I'm the one that did that. You might also that the Netgate auto-update URL, is https: Most authorized pfSense re-brands, make customizations, include changes or limits on the package repository. Speaking with my

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Dave Warren
On 2014-02-13 09:27, David Burgess wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Andrew Hull l...@coffeebreath.org wrote: My knee jerk reaction is that this is A Bad Thing(tm), and I reloaded the devices with images from ESF. Does anyone here have a strong opinion one way or the other? My first

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Buechler
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote: On Thursday, February 13, 2014, Andrew Hull l...@coffeebreath.org wrote: Hi List, Having purchased several pfSense devices assembled by Netgate (m1n1wall and FW-7541), I've noticed that the pfSense pre-install image

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Tim Eggleston
In the mean time, everyone else has covered the reasoning in more detail. You want to have a proper default config in place, so if you reset to factory defaults, your interface assignments go back to where they were originally, serial console setup appropriately where relevant, etc. There also

Re: [pfSense] Netgate's customized pfSense release

2014-02-13 Thread Andrew Hull
On 2/13/2014 8:08 PM, Chris Buechler wrote: No, no, no. Custom hardware-specific images are a good thing - when done by us, as in the case of Netgate. More when I'm not on my phone. In the mean time, everyone else has covered the reasoning in more detail. You want to have a proper default