Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-28 Thread Espen Johansen
All I'm saying is that a normal SLC cell can handle about 10 times more
writes then a MLC if everything else is the same. And as far as I ca tell,
the ability to handle writes is the OPs main concern. A SLC based SDHC card
will have about 10 times longer life span in that regard.
If you want it perfect then sure there are better options and technologies.
I'm just trying to make the choice a easy one based on what the OP asked.
There is allways better cheaper and faster tech just around the corner.
27. aug. 2014 21:26 skrev Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com følgende:

 SD cards are storage, but not “disks” nor “drives”.

 Beyond m-SATA, eMMC is your best option.  Not only are they faster than SD
 cards (speeds of the larger devices rival those of traditional SSDs, as
 well as supporting a “TRIM”-like operation, priority interruptible READ and
 ERASE operations, background operations, and riding the cost-curve of
 cellular handsets (growing) .vs consumer point-and-shoot cameras
 (shrinking), etc.)

 (This, by the way, is a huge, huge ‘hint’.)
 (You may wish read between the lines.)

 A lot of the SLC / MLC mythos is from before the days of JEDEC standards
 for endurance, advanced wear-leveling algorithms, and before a lof of the
 firmware engineers understood concepts such as “read disturbance”, “write
 disturbance”, and “ECC correction thresholds”.  It’s certainly not as
 simple as you’re making it out to be.

 (This, again, is the big reason that Netgate stayed out of the early
 fracas around SSDs.)

 I’m not going to depend on what someone said in the forum over 3 years
 ago, since it’s unlikely to apply today.

 Jim

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com wrote:

 For completeness sake.
 Just to clarify. You can get SDHC cards that are SLC based. Pretty much
 everything called industrial grade SD/SDHC will be a SLC SSD in SD format.
 Understood. Thank you for the clarification.

 Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It
 only says you can boot via SD through USB.

 --
 Ryan Coleman
 ryanjc...@me.com
 m. 651.373.5015
 o. 612.568.2749

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:


 Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or
 from the m-SATA.

 All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like
 device).

 Jim

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:

 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be
 booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes
 I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead.

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:


 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.

 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not
 going to be used.

 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).

 Jim

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:

 Why not answer the question?


 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:

 Ryan,

 Don't troll.



 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:

 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?

 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com
 wrote:

 Thank you Espen,

 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice
 in mind.

 Best regards*,*
 *Sergii Cherkashyn*


 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a
 normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10
 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.

 Just my 2 cents.


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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-28 Thread Jim Thompson
And I'm saying that you have to evaluate these things as systems, not the base 
level tech. 

 On Aug 28, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com wrote:
 All I'm saying is that a normal SLC cell can handle about 10 times more 
 writes then a MLC if everything else is the same. And as far as I ca tell, 
 the ability to handle writes is the OPs main concern. A SLC based SDHC card 
 will have about 10 times longer life span in that regard.
 If you want it perfect then sure there are better options and technologies. 
 I'm just trying to make the choice a easy one based on what the OP asked. 
 There is allways better cheaper and faster tech just around the corner.
 
 27. aug. 2014 21:26 skrev Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com følgende:
 SD cards are storage, but not “disks” nor “drives”.
 
 Beyond m-SATA, eMMC is your best option.  Not only are they faster than SD 
 cards (speeds of the larger devices rival those of traditional SSDs, as well 
 as supporting a “TRIM”-like operation, priority interruptible READ and ERASE 
 operations, background operations, and riding the cost-curve of cellular 
 handsets (growing) .vs consumer point-and-shoot cameras (shrinking), etc.)
 
 (This, by the way, is a huge, huge ‘hint’.)
 (You may wish read between the lines.)
 
 A lot of the SLC / MLC mythos is from before the days of JEDEC standards for 
 endurance, advanced wear-leveling algorithms, and before a lof of the 
 firmware engineers understood concepts such as “read disturbance”, “write 
 disturbance”, and “ECC correction thresholds”.  It’s certainly not as simple 
 as you’re making it out to be.
 
 (This, again, is the big reason that Netgate stayed out of the early fracas 
 around SSDs.)
 
 I’m not going to depend on what someone said in the forum over 3 years ago, 
 since it’s unlikely to apply today.
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 For completeness sake.
 Just to clarify. You can get SDHC cards that are SLC based. Pretty much 
 everything called industrial grade SD/SDHC will be a SLC SSD in SD format.
 
 Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
 
 Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
 only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
 
 --
 Ryan Coleman
 ryanjc...@me.com
 m. 651.373.5015
 o. 612.568.2749
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
 Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
 from the m-SATA.
 
 All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
 device).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
 booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few 
 quotes I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
 ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes 
 in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. 
 For acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much 
 good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 
 10 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-28 Thread Ryan Coleman
As a photographer of many many years - the SD cards on the market for us exceed 
the life span of CF. 

HOWEVER CF has a much larger potential capacity.

If you spend $10 on a card that has a higher end build for $50 you should know 
your data will fail sooner rather than later. 


 On Aug 28, 2014, at 9:12, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 And I'm saying that you have to evaluate these things as systems, not the 
 base level tech. 
 
 On Aug 28, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com wrote:
 All I'm saying is that a normal SLC cell can handle about 10 times more 
 writes then a MLC if everything else is the same. And as far as I ca tell, 
 the ability to handle writes is the OPs main concern. A SLC based SDHC card 
 will have about 10 times longer life span in that regard.
 If you want it perfect then sure there are better options and technologies. 
 I'm just trying to make the choice a easy one based on what the OP asked. 
 There is allways better cheaper and faster tech just around the corner.
 
 27. aug. 2014 21:26 skrev Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com følgende:
 SD cards are storage, but not “disks” nor “drives”.
 
 Beyond m-SATA, eMMC is your best option.  Not only are they faster than SD 
 cards (speeds of the larger devices rival those of traditional SSDs, as 
 well as supporting a “TRIM”-like operation, priority interruptible READ and 
 ERASE operations, background operations, and riding the cost-curve of 
 cellular handsets (growing) .vs consumer point-and-shoot cameras 
 (shrinking), etc.)
 
 (This, by the way, is a huge, huge ‘hint’.)
 (You may wish read between the lines.)
 
 A lot of the SLC / MLC mythos is from before the days of JEDEC standards 
 for endurance, advanced wear-leveling algorithms, and before a lof of the 
 firmware engineers understood concepts such as “read disturbance”, “write 
 disturbance”, and “ECC correction thresholds”.  It’s certainly not as 
 simple as you’re making it out to be.
 
 (This, again, is the big reason that Netgate stayed out of the early fracas 
 around SSDs.)
 
 I’m not going to depend on what someone said in the forum over 3 years ago, 
 since it’s unlikely to apply today.
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 For completeness sake.
 Just to clarify. You can get SDHC cards that are SLC based. Pretty much 
 everything called industrial grade SD/SDHC will be a SLC SSD in SD format.
 
 Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
 
 Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
 only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
 
 --
 Ryan Coleman
 ryanjc...@me.com
 m. 651.373.5015
 o. 612.568.2749
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
 Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
 from the m-SATA.
 
 All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
 device).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can 
 be booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few 
 quotes I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is 
 a “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one 
 without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
 ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
 Message-ID:
 
 caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
  
 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many 
 writes in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering 
 fine. For acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do 
 you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. 
 Approximately 10 times longer. And even more with the right write 
 leveling tech.
  
 Just my

Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-28 Thread Ryan Coleman
So it doesn't need to be in the description really...

Yes that's what was throwing me. It implies you can only boot from SD by adding 
it to a USB adapter. 


 On Aug 27, 2014, at 13:25, Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If I may...
 I think Ryan is confused about the usb part. The SD slot is a onboard slot 
 but its not connnected/wired to IDE/SATA bus, but rather it is connected to 
 the USB bus just as a external usb card reader would be,  but offcource its 
 onboard and hardwired. Thus the confusion I assume.
 
 27. aug. 2014 20:01 skrev Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com følgende:
 Ryan,
 
 I’m not sure what you’re asking.
 
 This thread started off with Sergii Cherkashyn asking if running on an SSD 
 was advisable.
 
 Obviously, it works, or we wouldn’t offer it. (The thread Sergii pointed-to 
 is from early 2011.  Netgate did not ship SSDs for several
 years because the reliability *then* was so poor.  The situation changed, 
 and, once quality SSDs were available (*with power-fail capacitors, etc.*),
 we began offering same.
 
 Then you jumped in asking (is) “SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?”
 
 I honestly though you were trolling.   Since there is a configuration of the 
 APU units available for sale both at the Netgate store *and* the pfSense 
 store (http://store.pfsense.org) that does not include a m-sata drive, how 
 else could the system boot pfSense?
 
 Now you post on a public list, (a list about pfSense), asking me to change 
 an unspecified page on (I assume), the Netgate site.
 
 Setting aside the whole issue of why we’re talking about this on-list, I 
 can’t find the text that confused you.
 
 Here is what I found on the Netgate site:
 
 http://store.netgate.com/APU1C4.aspx says: Boot from SD card (connected 
 through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.”
 http://store.netgate.com/APU1C.aspx says: Boot from SD card (connected 
 through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.
 
 You may wish to note that this language exactly matches that found on the PC 
 Engines site:
 Boot from SD card (connected through USB), external USB or m-SATA 
 SSD.”
 
 ref: http://pcengines.ch/apu.htm, and http://pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm,
 
 and page 9 of the schematic for the APU 
 (http://pcengines.ch/schema/apu1c.pdf) clearly shows that the “SD card 
 interface” runs through a Alcore Micro AU6465 
 (http://www.alcormicro.com/en_content/c_product/product_01b.php?CategoryID=7IndexID=19)
  to USB6 on the AMD T40 SoC.
 
 If you will be so kind as to make a specific request for change of the 
 language you found confusing, I’ll take a look at it.
 You might even send such a request to me in-private, so as not to further 
 clutter the list.
 
 Right now, I can’t find a problem.
 
 JIm
 
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Understood. Thank you for the clarification.
 
  Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
  only says you can boot via SD through USB.
 
  --
  Ryan Coleman
  ryanjc...@me.com
  m. 651.373.5015
  o. 612.568.2749
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
  Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
  from the m-SATA.
 
  All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
  device).
 
  Jim
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can 
  be booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few 
  quotes I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead.
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
  The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is 
  a “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
  then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
  It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
  going to be used.
 
  Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one 
  without).
 
  Jim
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Why not answer the question?
 
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
  Ryan,
 
  Don't troll.
 
 
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
  On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
  ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
  Thank you Espen,
 
  Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
  On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
  advice in mind.
 
  Best regards,
  Sergii Cherkashyn
 
 
  Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
  From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
  To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
  Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
  Message-ID:
  
  caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.com

Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-28 Thread Ryan Coleman
By that logic neither is compact flash


 On Aug 27, 2014, at 14:25, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 SD cards are storage, but not “disks” nor “drives”.
 
 Beyond m-SATA, eMMC is your best option.  Not only are they faster than SD 
 cards (speeds of the larger devices rival those of traditional SSDs, as well 
 as supporting a “TRIM”-like operation, priority interruptible READ and ERASE 
 operations, background operations, and riding the cost-curve of cellular 
 handsets (growing) .vs consumer point-and-shoot cameras (shrinking), etc.)
 
 (This, by the way, is a huge, huge ‘hint’.)
 (You may wish read between the lines.)
 
 A lot of the SLC / MLC mythos is from before the days of JEDEC standards for 
 endurance, advanced wear-leveling algorithms, and before a lof of the 
 firmware engineers understood concepts such as “read disturbance”, “write 
 disturbance”, and “ECC correction thresholds”.  It’s certainly not as simple 
 as you’re making it out to be.
 
 (This, again, is the big reason that Netgate stayed out of the early fracas 
 around SSDs.)
 
 I’m not going to depend on what someone said in the forum over 3 years ago, 
 since it’s unlikely to apply today.
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 For completeness sake.
 Just to clarify. You can get SDHC cards that are SLC based. Pretty much 
 everything called industrial grade SD/SDHC will be a SLC SSD in SD format.
 
 Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
 
 Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
 only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
 
 --
 Ryan Coleman
 ryanjc...@me.com
 m. 651.373.5015
 o. 612.568.2749
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
 Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
 from the m-SATA.
 
 All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
 device).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
 booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes 
 I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
 ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
 Message-ID:
 
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes 
 in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. 
 For acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much 
 good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 
 10 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Ryan Coleman
Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?

On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:

 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice in 
 mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
 normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 times 
 longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Jim Thompson
Ryan,

Don't troll. 



 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice 
 in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
 normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Ryan Coleman
Why not answer the question?


 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice 
 in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
 normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Jim Thompson

The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a “base 
feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.

It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going to 
be used.

Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).

Jim

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com 
 mailto:j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com 
 mailto:ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com 
 mailto:ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice 
 in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com mailto:pfse...@gmail.com
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
 normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Ryan Coleman
I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes I 
have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going 
 to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
 Message-ID:
 
 caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
  
 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
 normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
 Just my 2 cents.
  
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Jim Thompson

Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or from 
the m-SATA.

All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like device).

Jim

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
 booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes I 
 have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com 
 mailto:j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going 
 to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com 
 mailto:ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com 
 mailto:j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com 
 mailto:ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com 
 mailto:ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com mailto:pfse...@gmail.com
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in 
 a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Ryan Coleman
Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 

Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It only 
says you can boot via SD through USB. 

--
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m. 651.373.5015
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 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
 Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
 from the m-SATA.
 
 All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
 device).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
 booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes I 
 have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going 
 to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
 Message-ID:
 
 caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
  
 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in 
 a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 
 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Jim Thompson
That's how the SD card is connected. 

-- Jim

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
 
 Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
 only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
 
 --
 Ryan Coleman
 ryanjc...@me.com
 m. 651.373.5015
 o. 612.568.2749
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
 Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
 from the m-SATA.
 
 All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
 device).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
 booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes 
 I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
 ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes 
 in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 
 10 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Jim Thompson
Ryan,

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

This thread started off with Sergii Cherkashyn asking if running on an SSD was 
advisable.

Obviously, it works, or we wouldn’t offer it. (The thread Sergii pointed-to is 
from early 2011.  Netgate did not ship SSDs for several
years because the reliability *then* was so poor.  The situation changed, and, 
once quality SSDs were available (*with power-fail capacitors, etc.*),
we began offering same.

Then you jumped in asking (is) “SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?”

I honestly though you were trolling.   Since there is a configuration of the 
APU units available for sale both at the Netgate store *and* the pfSense store 
(http://store.pfsense.org) that does not include a m-sata drive, how else could 
the system boot pfSense?

Now you post on a public list, (a list about pfSense), asking me to change an 
unspecified page on (I assume), the Netgate site.

Setting aside the whole issue of why we’re talking about this on-list, I can’t 
find the text that confused you.

Here is what I found on the Netgate site:

http://store.netgate.com/APU1C4.aspx says: Boot from SD card (connected 
through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.”
http://store.netgate.com/APU1C.aspx says: Boot from SD card (connected through 
USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.

You may wish to note that this language exactly matches that found on the PC 
Engines site: 
Boot from SD card (connected through USB), external USB or m-SATA 
SSD.”

ref: http://pcengines.ch/apu.htm, and http://pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm, 

and page 9 of the schematic for the APU (http://pcengines.ch/schema/apu1c.pdf) 
clearly shows that the “SD card interface” runs through a Alcore Micro AU6465 
(http://www.alcormicro.com/en_content/c_product/product_01b.php?CategoryID=7IndexID=19)
 to USB6 on the AMD T40 SoC.

If you will be so kind as to make a specific request for change of the language 
you found confusing, I’ll take a look at it. 
You might even send such a request to me in-private, so as not to further 
clutter the list.

Right now, I can’t find a problem.

JIm


 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
 
 Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
 only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
 
 --
 Ryan Coleman
 ryanjc...@me.com
 m. 651.373.5015
 o. 612.568.2749
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
 Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
 from the m-SATA.
 
 All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
 device).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
 booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes 
 I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
 From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
 To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
 Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
 Message-ID:
 
 caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
  
 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes 
 in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 
 10 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.
  
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Espen Johansen
If I may...
I think Ryan is confused about the usb part. The SD slot is a onboard slot
but its not connnected/wired to IDE/SATA bus, but rather it is connected to
the USB bus just as a external usb card reader would be,  but offcource its
onboard and hardwired. Thus the confusion I assume.
27. aug. 2014 20:01 skrev Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com følgende:

 Ryan,

 I’m not sure what you’re asking.

 This thread started off with Sergii Cherkashyn asking if running on an SSD
 was advisable.

 Obviously, it works, or we wouldn’t offer it. (The thread Sergii
 pointed-to is from early 2011.  Netgate did not ship SSDs for several
 years because the reliability *then* was so poor.  The situation changed,
 and, once quality SSDs were available (*with power-fail capacitors, etc.*),
 we began offering same.

 Then you jumped in asking (is) “SDHC slot on this board is simply for
 show?”

 I honestly though you were trolling.   Since there is a configuration of
 the APU units available for sale both at the Netgate store *and* the
 pfSense store (http://store.pfsense.org) that does not include a m-sata
 drive, how else could the system boot pfSense?

 Now you post on a public list, (a list about pfSense), asking me to change
 an unspecified page on (I assume), the Netgate site.

 Setting aside the whole issue of why we’re talking about this on-list, I
 can’t find the text that confused you.

 Here is what I found on the Netgate site:

 http://store.netgate.com/APU1C4.aspx says: Boot from SD card (connected
 through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.”
 http://store.netgate.com/APU1C.aspx says: Boot from SD card (connected
 through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.

 You may wish to note that this language exactly matches that found on the
 PC Engines site:
 Boot from SD card (connected through USB), external USB or m-SATA
 SSD.”

 ref: http://pcengines.ch/apu.htm, and http://pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm,

 and page 9 of the schematic for the APU (
 http://pcengines.ch/schema/apu1c.pdf) clearly shows that the “SD card
 interface” runs through a Alcore Micro AU6465 (
 http://www.alcormicro.com/en_content/c_product/product_01b.php?CategoryID=7IndexID=19)
 to USB6 on the AMD T40 SoC.

 If you will be so kind as to make a specific request for change of the
 language you found confusing, I’ll take a look at it.
 You might even send such a request to me in-private, so as not to further
 clutter the list.

 Right now, I can’t find a problem.

 JIm


  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Understood. Thank you for the clarification.
 
  Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page?
 It only says you can boot via SD through USB.
 
  --
  Ryan Coleman
  ryanjc...@me.com
  m. 651.373.5015
  o. 612.568.2749
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
  Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB,
 or from the m-SATA.
 
  All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like
 device).
 
  Jim
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can
 be booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few
 quotes I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead.
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
  The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot
 is a “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
  then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
  It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not
 going to be used.
 
  Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one
 without).
 
  Jim
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Why not answer the question?
 
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
  Ryan,
 
  Don't troll.
 
 
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
  On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
 ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
  Thank you Espen,
 
  Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
  On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep
 your advice in mind.
 
  Best regards,
  Sergii Cherkashyn
 
 
  Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
  From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
  To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
  Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
  Message-ID:
  
 caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
 
  I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many
 writes in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine.
 For acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
  Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based

Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Espen Johansen
Maybe just write (hardwired to USB6)?
27. aug. 2014 20:01 skrev Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com følgende:

 Ryan,

 I’m not sure what you’re asking.

 This thread started off with Sergii Cherkashyn asking if running on an SSD
 was advisable.

 Obviously, it works, or we wouldn’t offer it. (The thread Sergii
 pointed-to is from early 2011.  Netgate did not ship SSDs for several
 years because the reliability *then* was so poor.  The situation changed,
 and, once quality SSDs were available (*with power-fail capacitors, etc.*),
 we began offering same.

 Then you jumped in asking (is) “SDHC slot on this board is simply for
 show?”

 I honestly though you were trolling.   Since there is a configuration of
 the APU units available for sale both at the Netgate store *and* the
 pfSense store (http://store.pfsense.org) that does not include a m-sata
 drive, how else could the system boot pfSense?

 Now you post on a public list, (a list about pfSense), asking me to change
 an unspecified page on (I assume), the Netgate site.

 Setting aside the whole issue of why we’re talking about this on-list, I
 can’t find the text that confused you.

 Here is what I found on the Netgate site:

 http://store.netgate.com/APU1C4.aspx says: Boot from SD card (connected
 through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.”
 http://store.netgate.com/APU1C.aspx says: Boot from SD card (connected
 through USB), external USB or m-SATA SSD.

 You may wish to note that this language exactly matches that found on the
 PC Engines site:
 Boot from SD card (connected through USB), external USB or m-SATA
 SSD.”

 ref: http://pcengines.ch/apu.htm, and http://pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm,

 and page 9 of the schematic for the APU (
 http://pcengines.ch/schema/apu1c.pdf) clearly shows that the “SD card
 interface” runs through a Alcore Micro AU6465 (
 http://www.alcormicro.com/en_content/c_product/product_01b.php?CategoryID=7IndexID=19)
 to USB6 on the AMD T40 SoC.

 If you will be so kind as to make a specific request for change of the
 language you found confusing, I’ll take a look at it.
 You might even send such a request to me in-private, so as not to further
 clutter the list.

 Right now, I can’t find a problem.

 JIm


  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Understood. Thank you for the clarification.
 
  Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page?
 It only says you can boot via SD through USB.
 
  --
  Ryan Coleman
  ryanjc...@me.com
  m. 651.373.5015
  o. 612.568.2749
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
  Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB,
 or from the m-SATA.
 
  All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like
 device).
 
  Jim
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can
 be booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few
 quotes I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead.
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
  The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot
 is a “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
  then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
  It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not
 going to be used.
 
  Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one
 without).
 
  Jim
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Why not answer the question?
 
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
  Ryan,
 
  Don't troll.
 
 
 
  On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
  Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
  On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn 
 ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
  Thank you Espen,
 
  Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
  On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep
 your advice in mind.
 
  Best regards,
  Sergii Cherkashyn
 
 
  Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
  From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
  To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
  Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
  Message-ID:
  
 caadq7-adzhlsv1p6rl7kwaaomaws1uqcet6fxa5ngdn8sl5...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
 
  I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many
 writes in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine.
 For acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
  Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer.
 Approximately 10 times longer. And even more with the right write leveling
 tech.
 
  Just my 2 cents.
 
 
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Espen Johansen
For completeness sake.
Just to clarify. You can get SDHC cards that are SLC based. Pretty much
everything called industrial grade SD/SDHC will be a SLC SSD in SD format.
Understood. Thank you for the clarification.

Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It
only says you can boot via SD through USB.

--
Ryan Coleman
ryanjc...@me.com
m. 651.373.5015
o. 612.568.2749

On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:


Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or
from the m-SATA.

All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like
device).

Jim

On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:

I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be
booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes
I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead.

On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com wrote:


The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a
“base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.

It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not going
to be used.

Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).

Jim

On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:

Why not answer the question?


On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com wrote:

Ryan,

Don't troll.



On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com wrote:

Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?

On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com
wrote:

Thank you Espen,

Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your advice
in mind.

Best regards*,*
*Sergii Cherkashyn*


Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
From: Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com
To: pfSense support and discussion list@lists.pfsense.org
Subject: Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question
Message-ID:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a
normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For
acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10
times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.

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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-27 Thread Jim Thompson
SD cards are storage, but not “disks” nor “drives”.

Beyond m-SATA, eMMC is your best option.  Not only are they faster than SD 
cards (speeds of the larger devices rival those of traditional SSDs, as well as 
supporting a “TRIM”-like operation, priority interruptible READ and ERASE 
operations, background operations, and riding the cost-curve of cellular 
handsets (growing) .vs consumer point-and-shoot cameras (shrinking), etc.)

(This, by the way, is a huge, huge ‘hint’.)
(You may wish read between the lines.)

A lot of the SLC / MLC mythos is from before the days of JEDEC standards for 
endurance, advanced wear-leveling algorithms, and before a lof of the firmware 
engineers understood concepts such as “read disturbance”, “write disturbance”, 
and “ECC correction thresholds”.  It’s certainly not as simple as you’re making 
it out to be.

(This, again, is the big reason that Netgate stayed out of the early fracas 
around SSDs.)

I’m not going to depend on what someone said in the forum over 3 years ago, 
since it’s unlikely to apply today.

Jim

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Espen Johansen pfse...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 For completeness sake.
 Just to clarify. You can get SDHC cards that are SLC based. Pretty much 
 everything called industrial grade SD/SDHC will be a SLC SSD in SD format.
 
 Understood. Thank you for the clarification. 
 
 Would it be possible to have the description updated on the sales page? It 
 only says you can boot via SD through USB. 
 
 --
 Ryan Coleman
 ryanjc...@me.com mailto:ryanjc...@me.com
 m. 651.373.5015 tel:651.373.5015
 o. 612.568.2749 tel:612.568.2749
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:24, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com 
 mailto:j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 
 Yes, the system can be booted from an SD (or SDHC) card.  Or from USB, or 
 from the m-SATA.
 
 All of these require proper preparation of the requisite ‘disk’ (-like 
 device).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com 
 mailto:ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 I understand *that* however it doesn't say on the features page it can be 
 booted off the SD slot - is that true? If so I have to change a few quotes 
 I have in play as they will need to get mSATA SSDs instead. 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 9:20, Jim Thompson j...@smallworks.com 
 mailto:j...@smallworks.com wrote:
 
 
 The SD (SDHC describes some cards which work in the slot) card slot is a 
 “base feature”.   If people choose to fit a m-SATA drive,
 then they can.  Or they can use the SD card socket.
 
 It’s not like we’re going to de-solder the SD card socket if it’s not 
 going to be used.
 
 Neither are we going to carry two different SKUs (one with, one without).
 
 Jim
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com 
 mailto:ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Why not answer the question?
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:56, Jim Thompson j...@netgate.com 
 mailto:j...@netgate.com wrote:
 
 Ryan,
 
 Don't troll. 
 
 
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Ryan Coleman ryanjc...@me.com 
 mailto:ryanjc...@me.com wrote:
 
 Wait, so the SDHC slot on this board is simply for show?
 
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:56, Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com 
 mailto:ser...@accurategroup.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Espen,
  
 Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
 On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I’ll keep your 
 advice in mind.
  
 Best regards,
 Sergii Cherkashyn
  
 
 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:45:46 +0200
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 I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes 
 in a normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For 
 acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
 Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 
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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-26 Thread Sergii Cherkashyn
Thank you Espen,

Squid is for filtering purpose only, not to save bandwidth.
On Netgate they have only this SSD as an option. But I'll keep your advice in 
mind.

Best regards,
Sergii Cherkashyn


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I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a 
normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For acceleration 
and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.

Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10 times 
longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.



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[pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-25 Thread Sergii Cherkashyn
I'm planning to purchase the Netgate APU2 with 16 GB mSATA SSD module for small 
office (3-6 persons). planning to install the Squid package on the firewall. is 
this kind of package that is still not recommended to run on the firewall with 
SSD because of intensive writes to the hard drive that dramatically reduces the 
life of SSD hard drive?

Or the following forum discussion is slightly outdated and quality if SSD has 
improved? Though there are many comments saying that SSD works great for them 
for many years.

https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=34381.0


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Re: [pfSense] Netgate APU2 SSD module question

2014-08-25 Thread Espen Johansen
I personally don't think you will have an issue with too many writes in a
normal environment. Why squid tho? if its for filtering fine. For
acceleration and 3-6 persons it will most likely not do you much good.
Also check MLC vs SLC. SLC based SSD will last longer. Approximately 10
times longer. And even more with the right write leveling tech.

Just my 2 cents.
25. aug. 2014 19:32 skrev Sergii Cherkashyn ser...@accurategroup.com
følgende:

  I’m planning to purchase the Netgate APU2 with 16 GB mSATA SSD module
 for small office (3-6 persons). planning to install the Squid package on
 the firewall. is this kind of package that is still not recommended to run
 on the firewall with SSD because of intensive writes to the hard drive that
 dramatically reduces the life of SSD hard drive?



 Or the following forum discussion is slightly outdated and quality if SSD
 has improved? Though there are many comments saying that SSD works great
 for them for many years.



 https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=34381.0





 Best regards*,*



 *Sergii Cherkashyn *



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