Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:58:55AM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote: I started using xml for certain parts of my online applications... Now, here is the question... If I would create a whole website using xml, would it be standard compliant? If you're serving up a proprietary XML

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce
Is this referring to the actual page being xml or source of data? Reason I ask is that I find I am increasingly using xml for data source and parsing it for webpages. Which seems the best way to go really, as the source of the data matters not, and the result is standard xhtml. Bruce Prochnau

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Mihael Zadravec
so, what you are saying, is that if I would code website with xml, search engines ( like google ), will not index the site as good as it would if it would be coded with xhtml? On 1/5/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:58:55AM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote:

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Mihael Zadravec
hm... actual page being xml. On 1/5/07, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this referring to the actual page being xml or source of data? Reason I ask is that I find I am increasingly using xml for data source and parsing it for webpages. Which seems the best way to go really, as the

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Bruce at 01/05/07 18:51... Is this referring to the actual page being xml or source of data? Reason I ask is that I find I am increasingly using xml for data source and parsing it for webpages. Which seems the best way to go really, as the source of the data matters not, and the

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Mihael Zadravec at 01/05/07 18:57... hm... actual page being xml. Using anything but XHTML or HTML as the language served would cause major accessibility issues, especially for older user agents that do not understand XML and would not be able to refer to a DTD. Certainly, use it

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 09:25:06AM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote: so, what you are saying, is that if I would code website with xml, search engines ( like google ), will not index the site as good as it would if it would be coded with xhtml? If you serve application/xml or text/html

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Mihael Zadravec
What would than be the right xslt transformation? Is than the source code of a web document xml or xhtml? Sorry for strange questions, but I am a bit confused :) On 1/5/07, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Bruce at 01/05/07 18:51... Is this referring to the actual page being

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Mihael Zadravec at 01/05/07 19:12... What would than be the right xslt transformation? Is than the source code of a web document xml or xhtml? Sorry for strange questions, but I am a bit confused :) If it is convenient for you to handle your data as XML, you can use any XML vocabulary

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 09:42:30AM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote: What would than be the right xslt transformation? It would depend on your desired input and output formats. Is than the source code of a web document xml or xhtml? Yes. The document you start with would be XML, and

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Mihael Zadravec
Actually it does... thank you. I am reading Myers book from Sitepoint No Nonsense XML Web Development With PHP and I needed to clear some thing out... So as I see, in chapter 4. he explains how to generate website using xml and php... and the final code presentet to browser is xhtml... so that is

Re: [WSG] dreamweaver additional tags extension

2007-01-05 Thread Schalk Neethling
Thanks Patrick, very usefull Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Nothing monumental, but I thought this could come in handy - particularly when put together with existing buttons in a Favorites tab. http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/88/ P

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce
Matthew Smith wrote: Agreed. One can use the most obscure XML internally but, with the right XSLT transformation, can turn it in to good XHTML (or even HTML). M Yuppers, or for us simple guys, (referring to myself and lack of time/patience/knowledge), I use the magpie parser on php4, much

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
XML is a set of rules for building a language, it's not a language itself, so it doesn't really make sense to send XML to the browser without choosing a particular XML language. XHTML, DocBook, RSS, TEI and XTM are just a few of the thousands of XML-compliant languages. Some languages use

Re: [WSG] HEC - Your Thoughts?

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 01:33:34PM +0100, Svip wrote: I discovered that anyone have yet to discuss HEC's. So I thought I might as well start this topic. HEC stands for HTML Encoded CAPTCHA. It's quite easy, it is using means of HTML and CSS to create the image which was originally

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Juergen Auer
Hi Mihael, On 5 Jan 2007 at 8:58, Mihael Zadravec wrote: I started using xml for certain parts of my online applications... Now, here is the question... If I would create a whole website using xml, would it be standard compliant? if you use Xml in the background and create Html using a

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 02:33:24PM +0100, Juergen Auer wrote: Using Xml/Xsl allows a lot of things without PHP/Perl: The menu (all filenames, link content, accesskey-definitions) is outsourced into a single file. Its like a template - without any programming language. XSL is a programming

Re: [WSG] Multi language web sites

2007-01-05 Thread John S. Britsios
Hi there, You might would like to try this: link title=The site in French type=text/html rel=alternate hreflang=fr href=http://someplace.com/fr/; More: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#h-12.3 Here is also some more useful info about this multi-language support too:

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Juergen Auer
On 5 Jan 2007 at 13:44, David Dorward wrote: Client side XSLT isn't (generally) a great idea though. You do want search engines to be able to read the menu, don't you? All search engines and most of the browsers (all instead of IE6) get the Html-Version. The Xml-Version is blocked by the

Re: [WSG] dreamweaver additional tags extension

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Nothing monumental, but I thought this could come in handy - particularly when put together with existing buttons in a Favorites tab. http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/88/ Just a show of hands, if you don't mind: who here would also be keen to see those oddly

Re: [WSG] HEC - Your Thoughts?

2007-01-05 Thread Andrew Ingram
I just don't see how it's any more accessible than using an image, in fact it's probably less accessible because of the massive filesize and CPU load. Personally I prefer the question and answer style spam protection. You have an easy question like how do you spell orange? which has to be

Re: [WSG] dreamweaver additional tags extension

2007-01-05 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
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Re: [WSG] HEC - Your Thoughts?

2007-01-05 Thread Svip
True, Paul, I did actually copy a code I wrote a CAPTCHA image to HEC. Actually, I won't use HEC myself, I just thought I'd share an example. Despite being a very bad example. However, your idea was quite good. Except of course with the inaccessible issue. However, some sites appeal to people

Re: [WSG] HEC - Your Thoughts?

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 06:50:07PM +0100, Svip wrote: However, some sites appeal to people who can see, where it may come in handy. Being able to see != Being able to solve a CAPTCHA. Case in point, I can usually only manage 1 in 5 of Yahoo!'s things. -- David Dorward

Re: *** SPAM *** Re: [WSG] dreamweaver additional tags extension

2007-01-05 Thread Designer
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: I'm still convinced that SUB and SUP are primarily presentational http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg24851.html so I wouldn't really want to include those. P I don't want to start the argument all over again, Patrick, but I had occasion to use SUP

SUP (was Re: [WSG] dreamweaver additional tags extension)

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Designer wrote: I don't want to start the argument all over again, Patrick, but I had occasion to use SUP recently so I wondered how you'd do it instead? I presume you'd define it in CSS with a smaller font and bottom padding, but it seems a bit like overkill . . .? Depends on the context

[WSG] ul indent in non-ie

2007-01-05 Thread Kevin McMonagle
hi, quick question- what is it that makes non ie browsers put an indent of some kind on a vertical unordered navigation list? i ve cleared all the padding and margins. seems to be about 35 pixels. heres an example-still rough dont slag me for anything else on the page. http://208.106.200.54/

Re: [WSG] ul indent in non-ie

2007-01-05 Thread Dan Dorman
Kevin: To answer your question, setting the unordered list's margin and padding to 0 get rid of all the spacing around it, and setting its list-style to none will get rid of the bullets (at least in Firefox, IE, and Opera). In the specific case of the site you provided, somehow 40px of left

Re: [WSG] ul indent in non-ie

2007-01-05 Thread Paul Novitski
At 1/5/2007 04:10 PM, Kevin McMonagle wrote: what is it that makes non ie browsers put an indent of some kind on a vertical unordered navigation list? i ve cleared all the padding and margins. seems to be about 35 pixels. heres an example-still rough dont slag me for anything else on the page.

Re: [WSG] HEC - Your Thoughts?

2007-01-05 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 1/6/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being able to see != Being able to solve a CAPTCHA. Case in point, I can usually only manage 1 in 5 of Yahoo!'s things. A friend of mine - who is a web developer - has a form of colour blindness, and although he's never had trouble with any