RE: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-06 Thread Gav....
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juergen Auer Sent: Friday, 5 January 2007 11:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] XML driven websites On 5 Jan 2007 at 13:44, David Dorward wrote: Client side XSLT isn't (generally) a great idea though. You do want search engines

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:58:55AM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote: I started using xml for certain parts of my online applications... Now, here is the question... If I would create a whole website using xml, would it be standard compliant? If you're serving up a proprietary XML

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce
Is this referring to the actual page being xml or source of data? Reason I ask is that I find I am increasingly using xml for data source and parsing it for webpages. Which seems the best way to go really, as the source of the data matters not, and the result is standard xhtml. Bruce Prochnau

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Mihael Zadravec
so, what you are saying, is that if I would code website with xml, search engines ( like google ), will not index the site as good as it would if it would be coded with xhtml? On 1/5/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:58:55AM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote:

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Mihael Zadravec
hm... actual page being xml. On 1/5/07, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this referring to the actual page being xml or source of data? Reason I ask is that I find I am increasingly using xml for data source and parsing it for webpages. Which seems the best way to go really, as the

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Bruce at 01/05/07 18:51... Is this referring to the actual page being xml or source of data? Reason I ask is that I find I am increasingly using xml for data source and parsing it for webpages. Which seems the best way to go really, as the source of the data matters not, and the

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Mihael Zadravec at 01/05/07 18:57... hm... actual page being xml. Using anything but XHTML or HTML as the language served would cause major accessibility issues, especially for older user agents that do not understand XML and would not be able to refer to a DTD. Certainly, use it

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 09:25:06AM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote: so, what you are saying, is that if I would code website with xml, search engines ( like google ), will not index the site as good as it would if it would be coded with xhtml? If you serve application/xml or text/html

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Mihael Zadravec
What would than be the right xslt transformation? Is than the source code of a web document xml or xhtml? Sorry for strange questions, but I am a bit confused :) On 1/5/07, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Bruce at 01/05/07 18:51... Is this referring to the actual page being

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Mihael Zadravec at 01/05/07 19:12... What would than be the right xslt transformation? Is than the source code of a web document xml or xhtml? Sorry for strange questions, but I am a bit confused :) If it is convenient for you to handle your data as XML, you can use any XML vocabulary

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 09:42:30AM +0100, Mihael Zadravec wrote: What would than be the right xslt transformation? It would depend on your desired input and output formats. Is than the source code of a web document xml or xhtml? Yes. The document you start with would be XML, and

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Mihael Zadravec
Actually it does... thank you. I am reading Myers book from Sitepoint No Nonsense XML Web Development With PHP and I needed to clear some thing out... So as I see, in chapter 4. he explains how to generate website using xml and php... and the final code presentet to browser is xhtml... so that is

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Bruce
Matthew Smith wrote: Agreed. One can use the most obscure XML internally but, with the right XSLT transformation, can turn it in to good XHTML (or even HTML). M Yuppers, or for us simple guys, (referring to myself and lack of time/patience/knowledge), I use the magpie parser on php4, much

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
XML is a set of rules for building a language, it's not a language itself, so it doesn't really make sense to send XML to the browser without choosing a particular XML language. XHTML, DocBook, RSS, TEI and XTM are just a few of the thousands of XML-compliant languages. Some languages use

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Juergen Auer
Hi Mihael, On 5 Jan 2007 at 8:58, Mihael Zadravec wrote: I started using xml for certain parts of my online applications... Now, here is the question... If I would create a whole website using xml, would it be standard compliant? if you use Xml in the background and create Html using a

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread David Dorward
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 02:33:24PM +0100, Juergen Auer wrote: Using Xml/Xsl allows a lot of things without PHP/Perl: The menu (all filenames, link content, accesskey-definitions) is outsourced into a single file. Its like a template - without any programming language. XSL is a programming

Re: [WSG] XML driven websites

2007-01-05 Thread Juergen Auer
On 5 Jan 2007 at 13:44, David Dorward wrote: Client side XSLT isn't (generally) a great idea though. You do want search engines to be able to read the menu, don't you? All search engines and most of the browsers (all instead of IE6) get the Html-Version. The Xml-Version is blocked by the