Re: [WSG] IE7 news
On 29/07/2006, at 2:56 PM, Tee G. Peng wrote: My tiger OS recently is having some system errors however I can't even tell if they were caused by IE 7 repeated uninstallation IE7 won't affect MacOS regardless of if you run it in Parallels or Boot Camp. On 29/07/2006, at 8:35 AM, Ted Drake wrote: How many people on this thread are actually using IE7? Testing purposes only, with stand-alones of earlier IEs. But then I only use windows under duress. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] eCensus Web Site Accessibility
On 29/07/2006, at 4:27 PM, Tim wrote: They would have a stronger voice if they stop whispering. I would like to hear that voice a little louder in Australia. Tim wrote lots, actually. My two cents for four riffs: 1) Employers who interview you, and don't thank you for your time, and/or don't let you know that they are no longer considering you are rude. Period. 2) High profile awards given to crappy sites are even more annoying, it stymies the industry, and ultimately everyone looses. And I still haven't worked out how a company can win the same award for the same site in consecutive years - cheapens the award. 3) Organisations who are advocates for groups within society really should advocate - especiallly in AU for web accessibility where they have precedence with Maguire v. Olympics. 4) Don't blame AGIMO. Governments are often advised by companies whose names start with i ,e or contain the words new media, and that's where the real problem is. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory
On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Christian Montoya wrote: That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the previous 3. I always think hamburger is the most evil food mankind ever invented, still we have more hamburger eaters than anything else, but I am not going to do missionary work to convert burger eaters to something else just because I think it's bad. What I think is bad matter nothing to others, it doesn't even matter to me. Like my friend say, what! it's just a food that feeds my stomach when I am hungry. Same to the above software, they are just tools, one maybe better than the other, but to say they are all bad is very black and white statement. One ought to be able to see the uselessness of its usefulness, hence to be able to see 'gray' and thus, reach a level of enlightenment - it's good for your soul and it's good for your work :) tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there then no difference in wanting to serve the visitors to your web site(s) what you think is best for them? ...and what if you're wrong in your thinking? :-) To stay within the 'food-analogy': - good food can kill someone who isn't used to it. Good web-solutions may not be supported, and can even kill a browser in rare cases. Same with everything else on the gray-scale - which is where _all_ food and _all_ web-solutions are anyway. Choices, choices ;-) Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Critique
I have finished re-writting the code on my website so that it has cleaner markup. I was hoping the members here could take a look, just to see if I did a good job. I am not looking to make any cosmetic changes to the design and layout. I worked carefully to make the site work and look the same (as closely as possible) in the following browsers. Internet Explorer 6 Opera 8.01 Firefox 1.5.0.1 Netscape 7.2 Also, I would appreciate any observations by Safari users as well as I don't have easy access to a Mac. Thanks Shawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Critique Benny's Place
Whoops!... forgot to incude the Address... not enough sleep. I have finished re-writting the code on my website so that it has cleaner markup. I was hoping the members here could take a look, just to see if I did a good job. I am not looking to make any cosmetic changes to the design and layout. Here is the link: Benny's Place featuring Louise English and Hill's Angels http://www.runstop.de/bennysplace/index.html I worked carefully to make the site work and look the same (as closely as possible) in the following browsers. Internet Explorer 6 Opera 8.01 Firefox 1.5.0.1 Netscape 7.2 Also, I would appreciate any observations by Safari users as well as I don't have easy access to a Mac. Thanks Shawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory
Tee G. Peng wrote: QT at least is better than WMP or RM format... Regardless of what you think about Real, at least they provide a Linux version of their player, unlike the other two. But I vote with Christian -- Flash is the better choice for video. -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com dream. code. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] using DOM to solve text-size problems.
I have been looking at ways to overcome the IE problem of producing weeny (unreadable) text on em-based sites when a small text-size is selected in the browser, and I was surprised how little I found. I did find Matt Round's work on www.malevolent.com but I'm wondering if anyone has improved on this work? It seems to me (as someone who doesn't know DOM scripting and really should) that it ought to be easy to check a font size on a page, assess whether it's too small or not and, if so, apply an increase in the font size. But perhaps it isn't? -- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] non system fonts - WebDesign
On 7/29/06, Shlomi Asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All i need to design a webPage right now, that uses different kind of fonts. is there a way to integrate those fonts using CSS? or we use only system fonts in webDesign those fonts are like: Helvetica Condensed Bold; VTCSwitchbladeRomanceTall. Within CSS you can specify any font you want, but it will only be displayed if the visitor has it installed on their system. There are ways to embed fonts in a page, but I can't remember offhand how to do it - and I seem to remember it's Windows only. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique Benny's Place
For me it looks the same way either with Safari 2.0.4 or Firefox 1.5.0.5I didn't try it with Konkeror and Firefox on my PPC Linux Debian2006/7/29, threerandot wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Whoops!... forgot to incude the Address... not enough sleep.I have finished re-writting the code on my website sothat it has cleaner markup. I was hoping the membershere could take a look, just to see if I did a goodjob. I am not looking to make any cosmetic changes to the design and layout. Here is the link:Benny's Place featuring Louise English and Hill'sAngelshttp://www.runstop.de/bennysplace/index.html I worked carefully to make the site work and look thesame (as closely as possible) in the followingbrowsers.Internet Explorer 6Opera 8.01Firefox 1.5.0.1Netscape 7.2Also, I would appreciate any observations by Safariusers as well as I don't have easy access to a Mac.ThanksShawn__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] non system fonts - WebDesign
I'd skip any attempt to install a font on a user's machine. As said though, you can pick any font you want, but the choices you stated are not typical to any machine. My advice is to check out the fonts that actually ARE installed on most system and start there, then offer a common choice (Verdana or something) and end it with a generic sans-serif or something to that effect. Here's a list of fonts found on most systems: http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-CombinedResultsFull.shtml -- Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **begin:vcard fn:Joseph R. B. Taylor n:Taylor;Joseph org:Sites by Joe, LLC adr:;;408 Route 47 South;Cape May Court House;NJ;08210;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Web Designer / Developer tel;work:609-335-3076 tel;cell:609-335-3076 note:Whatever your project, feel free to call or email me to chat about it. I'm always happy to advise you on any inquiries, make suggestions and provide you a quote. x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://sitesbyjoe.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] non system fonts - WebDesign
Hi, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote on 29-07-2006: As said though, you can pick any font you want, but the choices you stated are not typical to any machine. My advice is to check out the fonts that actually ARE installed on most system and start there, then offer a common choice (Verdana or something) and end it with a generic sans-serif or something to that effect. I agree... fonts in a font-family also need to be 'consistant'... similar x-heights for example, so that general 'sizing' is preserved across all members... There are comparison tables of both cross-platform frequency and x-heights/widths of fonts available here: http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/cat/devtools/48/ (based on results from codestyle and visibone surveys) and http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/cat/devtools/43/ Best regards Rob ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory
On 7/29/06, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Christian Montoya wrote: That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the previous 3. I always think hamburger is the most evil food mankind ever invented, Hamburgers don't crash my browser. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using DOM to solve text-size problems.
Designer wrote: I have been looking at ways to overcome the IE problem of producing weeny (unreadable) text on em-based sites when a small text-size is selected in the browser, and I was surprised how little I found. I did find Matt Round's work on www.malevolent.com but I'm wondering if anyone has improved on this work? It seems to me (as someone who doesn't know DOM scripting and really should) that it ought to be easy to check a font size on a page, assess whether it's too small or not and, if so, apply an increase in the font size. But perhaps it isn't? Let go. The dom is not able to solve the mystery of the scent of a pretty woman, either. ~dL ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory
On Sunday 30 July 2006 11:43, Christian Montoya wrote: On 7/29/06, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Christian Montoya wrote: That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the previous 3. I always think hamburger is the most evil food mankind ever invented, Hamburgers don't crash my browser. -- It depends on the format you feed them into the computer - binary OK but organic might cause a few problems for the computer :lol: :lol: -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0) ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using DOM to solve text-size problems.
Designer wrote:
I have been looking at ways to overcome
the IE problem of producing weeny
(unreadable) text on em-based sites
when a small text-size is selected in
the browser [...]
Hello Bob,
I *think* this is actually due to a known bug in IE. If you're talking about
what I think you're talking about, it's simple to overcome with CSS. Begin
you CSS with a percentage on body, html, or *, then switch to em sizes
anywhere thereafter. This should ensure the text is readable when the user
has a smaller-than-normal font-size on their IE browser (and conversely it
should ensure it's not excessively large when they have a larger font-size
selected).
CSS Example:
/* begin your CSS with a percentage to cover the entire document */
body {
font-size : 100%; /* or 100.1% to even up rounding in Opera I think */
}
/* then switch to ems per element or on an overall container */
#maindiv {
font-size : 0.95em;
}
That should solve the problem you've described if I read it correctly.
Please let me know.
Sincerely,
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com/
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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory
Hamburgers don't crash my browser. -- It depends on the format you feed them into the computer - binary OK but organic might cause a few problems for the computer :lol: :lol: and watch out for mad cow virus. Rumor has it that it has spread to internet land. :lol: tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] non system fonts - WebDesign
Shlomi Asaf wrote: Hi All i need to design a webPage right now, that uses different kind of fonts. is there a way to integrate those fonts using CSS? or we use only system fonts in webDesign those fonts are like: Helvetica Condensed Bold; VTCSwitchbladeRomanceTall. My personal preference is for using something like siFR http://wiki.novemberborn.net/sifr Then again, I have been using it for a while now.. I did some experiments with WEFT and other font management systems (PHP/GD) before settling on it. -- Lawrence Meckan Absalom Media Mob: (04) 1047 9633 ABN: 49 286 495 792 http://www.absalom.biz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] non system fonts - WebDesign
I've been experimenting with SIFR -- it uses Flash instead of PHP, and the best part of it is that the Flash replacement text behaves like text, not grapics. ie. it appears semantically in the markup, and is selectable ie. cut- and-paste work! -- on the rendered page. Further, it degrades beautifully ... if people don’t have Flash or .js enabled, they just see text. Check it out: http://www.mikeindustries.com/sifr/ and an example page: http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/files/sifr/2.0/ Hope this is helpful. Regards, Peter On 30/07/2006, at 2:54 PM, Paul Novitski wrote: At 11:39 AM 7/29/2006, Shlomi Asaf wrote: i need to design a webPage right now, that uses different kind of fonts. is there a way to integrate those fonts using CSS? or we use only system fonts in webDesign those fonts are like: Helvetica Condensed Bold; VTCSwitchbladeRomanceTall. Shlomi, In addition to suggesting font families in CSS, you can also mandate fonts using Dynamic Text Replacement: If you're using PHP you can create image files on the fly containing any font you install on your site. It's not fast enough to be practical for body text, but it works fine for the occasional headline. Your first step will be to purchase a copy of the font(s) you'll be using. Here's an example, a site in which the burgandy-colored headlines are generated on the fly: http://216.70.101.89/ (under construction) The technique relies on JavaScript, converting text to images and storing the original text as img alt. When either images or JavaScript is disabled, the headlines render as plain text. It's accessible and it degrades gracefully. This technique uses PHP image functions: http://php.net/image I've modified a script written by Stewart Rosenberger and described here: Dynamic Text Replacement by Stewart Rosenberger June 15, 2004 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/ More details on his website: http://www.stewartspeak.com/projects/dtr/ Regards, Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Peter Dominic Ryan | raycity* : new media solutions : proven [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://raycity.com | mb: 0419 229 738 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
