Re: [WSG] Safari filter
On 14 Sep 2006, at 06:32, Terrence Wood wrote: On 14/09/2006, at 7:05 AM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 13 Sep 2006, at 18:46, Kenny Graham wrote: Internet Explorer Mobile, for one, will load both screen and handheld media types Unless use specify Screen apparently. Yes, I'd come across the fact that specifying media=Screen will prevent IE Mobile from loading the stylesheet; it's another thing which makes it seem likely that IE Mobile isn't just a re- compiled version of the Trident codebase. It also exposes an anomaly in the HTML 4.0 spec: section 6.13 specifies that media descriptors are to be parsed case-sensitively, yet the descriptions of the media attribute for the link and style elements specifies that they are case-insensitive. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari filter
On 14 Sep 2006, at 02:32, Kenny Graham wrote: If it's for your own site then you might as well just do what works for you, but if it's a commercial site, or something you're doing for a client, I'm afraid you're in for a world of pain :-( Luckilly it's a semi-personal site. It's an interface for a database used by me and a large group of friends. That's why I'm able to serve as XHTML. I can just say if you want access, don't use IE. So Safari support isn't a complete necessity, but since it's generally a good browser, I'd rather not discourage its use among my non-nerd friends. As a Mac user, I agree that it's worth supporting Safari :-) Given the nature of the site, I don't suppose your friends will worry too much about whether it looks identical from browser to browser. You could even tell them it's a feature :-) But you mentioning that most mobile devices are buggy with styles makes me strongly consider solving all this by simply not using a handheld stylesheet. Because of the type of site it is, styling isn't at all necessary. Each page pretty much consists of: h1, h2, ul, h2, ul, h2, ul. IE may have many more bugs than Safari, but at least there they can be worked around with something as simple as a child selector or a conditional comment. If you've got well-constructed HTML, you're already more than halfway there with mobile support. I've found that, for the moment, it's best to just use handheld CSS to add a touch of colour here and there; support for layout-related elements is too patchy from what I've seen, and there are very few guarantees over font sizing - it's often just ignored. From my tests, people are more concerned about page weight than anything else, with mobile net access tending to be so slow. Clean markup will do it for you every time :-) Good luck, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Site Review
Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) weve finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if youll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data weve got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Site Review
Now that you do notice encoding towards us. I want to point you at this page: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/destinations/Denmark Notice the first post, the writer's name seems to have an 'ø' in it (an unfamiliar character in English). I do admit I clicked on Denmark because that is where I am from. But I would consider that (yet small) something that needs to fixed. Otherwise, I like thus far - not that I will be travelling anytime soon. Regards, Svip On 9/14/06, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we've finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you'll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data we've got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review
The site looks great! Well done. The only issue I see is that on the locations I checked (countries at bottom), the right sidebar covers part of the text in the center. PC, 800px res, IE and firefox. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Samuel Richardson To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: [WSG] Site Review Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) weve finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if youll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data weve got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Site Review
Looks great, one comment is the title on the homepage is Homepage - Intrepid Travel Template! E. Samuel Richardson wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we’ve finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you’ll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data we’ve got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review
Samuel Richardson wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we’ve finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you’ll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data we’ve got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Just a quick look on this end: Nice, colorful and exciting, visuals. The pages are a little slow to load on a very fast modem. Some suggestions of things I tried on your site that you may want to check yourself: -- 'Accessibility Mode' in IE with all 3 boxes checked at text-size 'largest' -- +2 font-zoom in FF -- Images disabled in FF/Opera -- Review the site in Opera/9.01 22 captures (linux/mac/win2k/xp) . I did not wait for them to load. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Internet Explorer I Hate You! (Having some problems)
On my site http://www.frontendplace.nl the gallery images thumbnail bar always jumps to the bottom in IE when the image above hasn't loaded in cache yet, so IE doesn't know how many space it has to reserve for an image with no specific height but only % of widthNothing to do to yet, because I have a liquid designed container. And when i define a specific width of the image and it doesn't fit I have other problems. The only thing that helps is creating a site layout with tables..:( and that's the last thing I want. So now waiting for firefox to get to 70% of the users.. and keep this title alivebtw i only see Parent Directory on your site, nothing else On Sep 13, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Jixor - Stephen I wrote:Kepler Gelotte wrote: Firstly I have a large area of content that is simply disappearing, its not floated or positioned either. This is on the menus page ( http://dev.riverhousecatering.com/?mgx=page/menu ) Secondly on the menu pages randomly some of the content is shifted down about 50px covering over the following items. Its entirely random as far as I can tell. Things are floated with clears. Hi Steve,Add float:left; to your #menu_menu definition in specific.css:#menu_menu { margin:1em 0; float:left;}Regards,Kepler Gelotte Great, thanks. Any ideas on the second problem, that is just too strange, its so random.Cheers,Steve.***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
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Re: [WSG] Site Review
Its great how the site reacts.. still a bit slow.. but works in safari and firefox great. also without css good to read you can see the effort you made. On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Web Man Walking wrote: Looks great, one comment is the title on the homepage is Homepage - Intrepid Travel Template! E. Samuel Richardson wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we’ve finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you’ll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data we’ve got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site Review
The only other thing I might want to see from an XHTML point of view is some legends on the fieldsets. Also, small note, there seems to be a bit of in page scripting that looks like it could live in external .js files - which would be better for caching. Looking great though! Good improvement over the last design. - A -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Jonk Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 9:42 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review Its great how the site reacts.. still a bit slow.. but works in safari and firefox great. also without css good to read you can see the effort you made. On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Web Man Walking wrote: Looks great, one comment is the title on the homepage is Homepage - Intrepid Travel Template! E. Samuel Richardson wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we've finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you'll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data we've got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] quick question
Hi All Im working on a hack and need to know what the default colors are, when you remove all css. I completely forget. I need a, a;hover, a:visited, and a:active. I could browser forever, but thought someone would know off the top of their heads. Other than disabling backgrounds, setting text to 000, adding underlines, what else should go into an uber color reset style sheet? Thanks Ted Drake Yahoo! Tech - Tech Made Easy Member of the Yahoo! Accessibility Stakeholders Group October 3 Product Forum Discussion - Don't miss Mike Shebanek discuss Apple's VoiceOver screen reader integration. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review
Its a great start mate,Maybe look at what happens when text is in larged, allowing the site to be more elastic, but thats just being pickyNice work!On 9/15/06, Adam Burmister (DSL AK) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other thing I might want to see from an XHTML point of view issome legends on the fieldsets.Also, small note, there seems to be a bit of in page scripting thatlooks like it could live in external .js files - which would be better for caching.Looking great though! Good improvement over the last design.- A-Original Message-From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:listdad@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Ron JonkSent: Friday, 15 September 2006 9:42 a.m.To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site ReviewIts great how the site reacts.. still a bit slow.. but works insafari and firefox great. also without css good to readyou can see the effort you made.On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Web Man Walking wrote: Looks great, one comment is the title on the homepage is Homepage - Intrepid Travel Template! E. Samuel Richardson wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we've finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you'll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data we've got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] quick question
Ted Drake wrote: I’m working on a hack and need to know what the default colors are, when you remove all css. That depends on the browser default stylesheet and the user stylesheet. The sample stylesheet the W3C provide http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/sample.html doesn't appear to cover colours. -- David Dorward http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ http://dorward.me.uk/ Home is where the ~/.bashrc is *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] quick question
Ted Drake wrote: Other than disabling backgrounds, setting text to 000, adding underlines, what else should go into an uber color reset style sheet? As far as defaults go; don't rely on them, as they aren't going to be the same for everyone. If you want to specify colors that'll look the same as what some particular browsers has when it ships, why not just not specify anything? If you are specifying the text color, specify the background color as well. In your above scenario, background:none; color:#000; In my browser, I now have black text on a black background... not very user friendly. Mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review
hey This may seem picky but is the whole list of countries listed at the bottom really that nessacary??? On 9/15/06, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we've finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you'll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data we've got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** -- JP2 Designshttp://www.jp2designs.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Site Review
Search engine optimisation taken to extremes, I think.Mathew Pattersonhttp://designersinhouse.comOn 15/09/2006, at 11:24 AM, Germ wrote:hey This may seem picky but is the whole list of countries listed at the bottom really that nessacary??? On 9/15/06, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we've finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you'll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] quick question
Ted Drake wrote: Hi All I’m working on a hack and need to know what the default colors are, when you remove all css. I completely forget. I need a, a;hover, a:visited, and a:active. I could browser forever, but thought someone would know off the top of their heads. Other than disabling backgrounds, setting text to 000, adding underlines, what else should go into an uber color reset style sheet? Thanks Ted Drake Hi Ted, at Yahoo-Inc, Why don't you just use the YUI reset.css? - Rahul. -- Rahul Gonsalves (Personal) w: www.rahulgonsalves.com e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] quick question
Ted Drake wrote: I'm working on a hack and need to know what the default colors are, when you remove all css. I completely forget. I need a, a;hover, a:visited, and a:active. Blue, none, purle, red - the exact shades vary between browsers Netscape 3: a: #EE hover: - visted: #551A8B active: #FF Firefox: a: #EE hover: - visted: #551A8B active: #EE IE 6: a: #FF hover: - visted: #800080 active: - == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] quick question
Hi All
Thanks for the answers. I'm working on a hack to allow users to disable all
colors, increase font-size, and more. Sure, we know how to use control+ or
use the web dev toolbar to do so, but how about joe shmoe?
That's what I was asking about. I was creating a style sheet that over-rode
all of our pretty background images, colors, and font colors.
The reset.css just removes margins. Here's the styles by the way.
/*this css file will reset the colors to the default settings */
* {background:#fff!important; color:#000!important;}
a:link {color:#00c!important; text-decoration:underline!important;}
a:visited {color:#639!important; text-decoration:underline!important;}
a:hover {color:#00c!important; text-decoration:none!important;}
a:active{color:#f00!important; text-decoration:underline!important;}
I took a wee bit of creative license.
I don't know if this will work or not, there's still some work to do.
Ted
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From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rahul Gonsalves
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:10 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] quick question
Ted Drake wrote:
Hi All
I'm working on a hack and need to know what the default colors are, when
you
remove all css.
I completely forget.
I need a, a;hover, a:visited, and a:active.
I could browser forever, but thought someone would know off the top of
their
heads.
Other than disabling backgrounds, setting text to 000, adding underlines,
what else should go into an uber color reset style sheet?
Thanks
Ted Drake
Hi Ted, at Yahoo-Inc,
Why don't you just use the YUI reset.css?
- Rahul.
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RE: [WSG] Site Review
Thanks for all the great feedback. The footer links are to allow better access to our country homepages, both to search engines and to visitors. Otherwise the only way to access a country homepage is to visit a trip that belongs in it then to click on the breadcrumb link. Ive tried to use legends wherever possible on forms, in most cases Ive got them but Im sure there are a few Ive missed. The sites text resizing is not fantastic when you take it to extremes but increasing the font size up by about 20% will still not break the templates. I considered it a best of both worlds as fixed, centred width templates dont generally allow for extreme text resizing. I used alpha channel PNGs (with the IE6 hack) in a few choice locations through the site, the logo (as it sits on multiple backgrounds), the rounding corner images in both the banner and the end of the site level tabs. Roll on IE7 is all I can say, alpha PNGs are going to make a world of difference to web design and theyre just around the corner. The template called for a number of rounded corners and 456 Berea St (http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200505/transparent_custom_corners_and_borders/) rounded corners _javascript_ was incredibly useful, basically by using a certain class name on your page it will add rounded corners to it by wrapping it in additional divs, however these nested divs do not show up in your regular source code and visitors without _javascript_ enabled (mobile phones for instance) will not render them. AJAX has also been used fairly substantially throughout the booking process of the site, as our forms are quite long results are saved automatically as you move from field to field, preserving your session if anything happens to it. Thanks, Samuel -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew Patterson Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 11:56 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review Search engine optimisation taken to extremes, I think. Mathew Patterson http://designersinhouse.com On 15/09/2006, at 11:24 AM, Germ wrote: hey This may seem picky but is the whole list of countries listed at the bottom really that nessacary??? On 9/15/06, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we've finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you'll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] Opera Mini and lists
Why does Opera mini not render lists properly? http://www.abc.net.au/parents/lists.htm Opera 9 in small screen view shows lists correctly, but opera mini doesn't indent or number/bullet the lists. (I only tested the simulator http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/operamini/demo.dml.) Without indenting, nested lists look like crap and are really confusing to understand. Any ideas? Geoff == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Internet Explorer I Hate You! (Having some problems)
Sorry yep it has gone live now, so you can loose the dev. ;)
Ron Jonk wrote:
On my site http://www.frontendplace.nl the gallery images thumbnail
bar always jumps to the bottom in IE when the image above hasn't
loaded in cache yet, so IE doesn't know how many space it has to
reserve for an image with no specific height but only % of width
Nothing to do to yet, because I have a liquid designed container. And
when i define a specific width of the image and it doesn't fit I have
other problems. The only thing that helps is creating a site layout
with tables..:( and that's the last thing I want. So now waiting for
firefox to get to 70% of the users.. and keep this title alive
btw i only see
Parent Directory http://dev.riverhousecatering.com/ on your site,
nothing else
On Sep 13, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Jixor - Stephen I wrote:
Kepler Gelotte wrote:
Firstly I have a large area of content that is simply disappearing,
its not floated or positioned either. This is on the menus page
( http://dev.riverhousecatering.com/?mgx=page/menu )
Secondly on the menu pages randomly some of the content is shifted
down about 50px covering over the following items. Its entirely
random as far as I can tell. Things are floated with clears.
Hi Steve,
Add float:left; to your #menu_menu definition in specific.css:
#menu_menu {
margin:1em 0;
float:left;
}
Regards,
Kepler Gelotte
Great, thanks. Any ideas on the second problem, that is just too
strange, its so random.
Cheers,
Steve.
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RE: [WSG] Site Review
I love this new site I have been through it and have a list of places I want to go now! Some things Ive noticed: Add to shortlist button Im guessing this is AJAX and it adds it to the left column? Thing is when I was clicking on it I was already below the fold, so I couldnt see that anything had happened, and so initially clicked a few times in case I had missed something. Then I wasnt sure if anything had happened, so I was really acting in faith hoping it was AJAXed so it would be saving my choices (and it was yay!). How about change the button so once you have clicked add to shortlist it becomes on shortlist or something. Also, some of the information integrity is out like some of the trips have no description or say they are $0. I then went to compare trips. None of the price data is being pulled out onto this page and price is one of the major things I want to compare. Also the breadcrumb is wrong, it says I am in desinationsasiaVietnam. One of my short listed trips is in Vietnam, but that breadcrumb doesnt make sense to me on that page as I also have trips to France, Italy, etc. I *love* the change currency thing! It could be made to look a bit nicer like the rest of the site, but it is an awesome feature! Initially I was a bit confused with the Your Trip tab I thought that this would be the bit where I would browse around and build up my trip choices, and compare the trips. So it took me a bit to get around to browsing the trips and adding them to a shortlist. But now I think Ive done it makes more sense. I love it! Great job!! It is a nice site to look at, and it is very easy to browse around and find interesting information. From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 7:02 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Site Review Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) weve finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if youll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data weve got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] Site Review
One more suggestion I had was to add a blur() on your tabbed table in the top right hand corner. - Adam From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 3:36 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Review Thanks for all the great feedback. The footer links are to allow better access to our country homepages, both to search engines and to visitors. Otherwise the only way to access a country homepage is to visit a trip that belongs in it then to click on the breadcrumb link. Ive tried to use legends wherever possible on forms, in most cases Ive got them but Im sure there are a few Ive missed. The sites text resizing is not fantastic when you take it to extremes but increasing the font size up by about 20% will still not break the templates. I considered it a best of both worlds as fixed, centred width templates dont generally allow for extreme text resizing. I used alpha channel PNGs (with the IE6 hack) in a few choice locations through the site, the logo (as it sits on multiple backgrounds), the rounding corner images in both the banner and the end of the site level tabs. Roll on IE7 is all I can say, alpha PNGs are going to make a world of difference to web design and theyre just around the corner. The template called for a number of rounded corners and 456 Berea St (http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200505/transparent_custom_corners_and_borders/) rounded corners _javascript_ was incredibly useful, basically by using a certain class name on your page it will add rounded corners to it by wrapping it in additional divs, however these nested divs do not show up in your regular source code and visitors without _javascript_ enabled (mobile phones for instance) will not render them. AJAX has also been used fairly substantially throughout the booking process of the site, as our forms are quite long results are saved automatically as you move from field to field, preserving your session if anything happens to it. Thanks, Samuel -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew Patterson Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 11:56 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review Search engine optimisation taken to extremes, I think. Mathew Patterson http://designersinhouse.com On 15/09/2006, at 11:24 AM, Germ wrote: hey This may seem picky but is the whole list of countries listed at the bottom really that nessacary??? On 9/15/06, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) we've finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if you'll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] Site Review
Thanks Rachel, Ive fixed the breadcrumb path and it will go out on our next svn update (along with the fixed title tag on the homepage :D ). Have passed on the compare trips price issue to the programmer. S -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel May Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 1:41 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Review I love this new site I have been through it and have a list of places I want to go now! Some things Ive noticed: Add to shortlist button Im guessing this is AJAX and it adds it to the left column? Thing is when I was clicking on it I was already below the fold, so I couldnt see that anything had happened, and so initially clicked a few times in case I had missed something. Then I wasnt sure if anything had happened, so I was really acting in faith hoping it was AJAXed so it would be saving my choices (and it was yay!). How about change the button so once you have clicked add to shortlist it becomes on shortlist or something. Also, some of the information integrity is out like some of the trips have no description or say they are $0. I then went to compare trips. None of the price data is being pulled out onto this page and price is one of the major things I want to compare. Also the breadcrumb is wrong, it says I am in desinationsasiaVietnam. One of my short listed trips is in Vietnam, but that breadcrumb doesnt make sense to me on that page as I also have trips to France, Italy, etc. I *love* the change currency thing! It could be made to look a bit nicer like the rest of the site, but it is an awesome feature! Initially I was a bit confused with the Your Trip tab I thought that this would be the bit where I would browse around and build up my trip choices, and compare the trips. So it took me a bit to get around to browsing the trips and adding them to a shortlist. But now I think Ive done it makes more sense. I love it! Great job!! It is a nice site to look at, and it is very easy to browse around and find interesting information. From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: Friday, 15 September 2006 7:02 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Site Review Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work since I started yesterday morning) weve finally relaunched our website, would be much appreciated if youll could cast your eye over it and tell me what you think: http://www.intrepidtravel.com/ Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some of the data weve got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some encodings. -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
