[WSG] Compliant pop ups
I would like to know, is it possible to have XHTML 1.0 strict compliant pop-ups? It is possible to include javascript so that a page can have a pop-up link and validate (as an alternative to target) but that doesn't make it compliant. Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder while excellence is in the hand of the professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
On 12/13/06, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know, is it possible to have XHTML 1.0 strict compliant pop-ups? If you want a way without Javascript, then no it isn't. This is within the spirit of web standards - why should you decide for the user where they want the page to open? It is possible to include javascript so that a page can have a pop-up link and validate (as an alternative to target) but that doesn't make it compliant. Well, yes it does. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (13/12/06)
** This is a one-way list for WSG Announcements ** This email covers: - Links for light reading - WSG and Industry events - Web related jobs (3 job this week) If you have an event, resource or relevant job you'd like posted (from any country), please let me know - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- LINKS FOR LIGHT READING -- This weeks links for light reading are also available here: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/2006/12/13/some-links-108/ Open Source Web Design http://www.oswd.org/ Dear JavaScript Library Developers http://www.wait-till-i.com/index.php?p=366 Rounded Corner Boxes the CSS3 Way by Andy Budd http://24ways.org/2006/rounded-corner-boxes-the-css3-way Ruby on Rails for the Rest of Us http://www.digital-web.com/articles/ruby_on_rails_for_the_rest_of_us/ Google¹s Click Fraud Rate is Less than 2% http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2006/12/google-click-fraud-rate-two-percent. html Google, Click Fraud, and Invalid Clicks http://shumans.com/articles/44.php How I Design http://www.snook.ca/archives/design/how_i_design/ Why Web 2.0 is more than a buzzword http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/11/why_web_20_is_ m.html Web 2.0 Compact Definition: Trying Again http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/12/web_20_compact.html Simon Collison Interview http://www.digital-web.com/articles/simon_collison/ Overlapping tabbed navigation in CSS http://www.shapeshed.com/journal/overlapping_tabbed_navigation_in_css/ Oxygen - XML Editor XSLT Debugger http://www.oxygenxml.com/ Top 10 mistakes when selecting a CMS http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_selectionmistakes/index.html Firebug 1.0 - web development evolved http://www.getfirebug.com/ TECH4FRICA 2007 - Technology for Africa: A web and emerging technology conference http://www.technologyforafrica.org/ Cairo beats Safari? http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/cairo-beats-safari Colour-blindness Questionnaire - help needed http://stuweb3.cmp.uea.ac.uk/laj-webapp/cb/questionnaire.html Ten Worst Internet Acquisitions Ever http://internet.seekingalpha.com/article/21041 Free culture http://lessig.org/freeculture/free.html -- WSG AND INDUSTRY EVENTS -- A Description Logic Voyage: From Inexpressive to Expressive Languages and Back - Franz Baader: Canberra, 14 December 2006 Description Logics (DL) are a successful family of logic-based knowledge representation languages, which can be used to represent the conceptual knowledge of an application domain in a structured and formally well-understood way. They are employed in various application domains, such as natural language processing, configuration, and databases, but their most notable success so far is the adoption of the DL-based language OWL as standard ontology language for the semantic web. OWL is based on a very expressive language with worst-case intractable reasoning problems. Location: Computer Science Information Technology Building (Building 108) North Road Australian National University Canberra When: 2.30pm, 14 December 2006 RSVP essential: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Accessibility Workshop in Adelaide - 15 December 2006 This full-day workshop run by Vision Australia, is targeted at web-development team leaders, corporate communications professionals and business managers, along with content authors, web programmers and designers and web contract managers. The workshop provides a thorough overview of accessibility issues and how to address them. It covers the World Wide Web Consortium's Content Accessibility Guidelines and their implementation and a consideration of assessment tools and techniques. Course Outline: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/ais/webworkshops/ http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/ais/webworkshops/ Registration Details: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=966 http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=966 -- JOBS -- 1. A couple of IT jobs (one requiring web dev skills) going at ACMI. http://www.acmi.net.au/2DE4E42A62AB4C508E848DBFE633A8C9.htm?bkTxt=more%20emp loyment http://www.acmi.net.au/E6EBA99A5AF645C2A48788C9257E8098.htm?bkTxt=more%20emp loyment 2. Available in Victoria (Australia) Dept of Sustainability Environment - 12mths position, VPS4. Refer to www.careers.vic.gov.au. Position number VG/801659. 3. Creative Director - News Digital Media News Digital Media is seeking a Creative Director to lead our Media Creative team located in Sydney. We need someone who is truly into all things news media. You need to get a kick out of telling a story through design and drive the Media team of visual designers and front end developers to produce cutting edge media sites. You will have
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
Does this help any? http://www.accessify.com/tools-and-wizards/ Look for the link for the pop-up window generator. Alex From: Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:25:35 + On 12/13/06, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know, is it possible to have XHTML 1.0 strict compliant pop-ups? If you want a way without Javascript, then no it isn't. This is within the spirit of web standards - why should you decide for the user where they want the page to open? It is possible to include javascript so that a page can have a pop-up link and validate (as an alternative to target) but that doesn't make it compliant. Well, yes it does. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:59:08PM +, Chris Price wrote: I would like to know, is it possible to have XHTML 1.0 strict compliant pop-ups? Yes, although pop-ups are still poor usability at best. It is possible to include javascript so that a page can have a pop-up link and validate (as an alternative to target) but that doesn't make it compliant. Yes, it does, onclick attributes exist in Strict. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
Alex Billerey wrote: Does this help any? http://www.accessify.com/tools-and-wizards/ Look for the link for the pop-up window generator. It doesn't actually because the generated html includes a target attribute. David answered my question but the issue it leaves me with is: many people find pop-ups very useful and often request them. What are the problems for people with javascript enabled browsers? Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder while excellence is in the hand of the professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Skip Navigation question
Dear members, I would like to ask your opinion about the use of the Skip to Main Content and Skip to Sub Navigation links. We recently designed our second web site http://www.seoworkers.com and as we did not want to have the links visible, we have hidden them with CSS techniques. My question though is, where would be better to have those links. Before, or after the logo of the page? Thank your very much in advance for your kind support. Best wishes, John -- John S. Britsios Web Architect Business Consultant Webnauts Net SEO Workers (Main Office) Koblenzer Str. 37A D-33613 Bielefeld Webnauts Net SEO Workers (U.S. Office) Daniel S. Johnson 5 Ivanhoe Drive Urbana IL 61802 http://www.webnauts.net http://www.seoworkers.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
Chris Price wrote: I would like to know, is it possible to have XHTML 1.0 strict compliant pop-ups? It is possible to include javascript so that a page can have a pop-up link and validate (as an alternative to target) but that doesn't make it compliant. This is a hook-free approach: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/popup_window_with_no_extra_markup.asp HTH. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
Chris Price wrote: David answered my question but the issue it leaves me with is: many people find pop-ups very useful and often request them. What are the problems for people with javascript enabled browsers? One problem is with screen-readers (for example JAWS). JAWS has partial javascript support and, as such, it will announce that a new event has occurred, but the user might not be able to locate/access the new content. Hope that helps. M ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the sender of the e-mail. It is your responsibility to protect your system from viruses and any other harmful code or device. This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses; However LMUK accepts no liability for any which remain. We may monitor or access any or all e-mails sent to us. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation question
Hello! I belive that it depends on what CSS techniques are you using... (?) As much as I know (read: think) ... display:none; will not do the work so well because it will make the content (your links) invisible to screenreaders... Moving it from the visible field with negative margin is better way... i think so... Regards from Slovenia! --- On 12/13/06, John S. Britsios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear members, I would like to ask your opinion about the use of the Skip to Main Content and Skip to Sub Navigation links. We recently designed our second web site http://www.seoworkers.com and as we did not want to have the links visible, we have hidden them with CSS techniques. My question though is, where would be better to have those links. Before, or after the logo of the page? Thank your very much in advance for your kind support. Best wishes, John *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
Mybe it would be good to provide an alternative link (it does not have to be displayed to the screen)... On 12/13/06, Emma Sax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Price wrote: David answered my question but the issue it leaves me with is: many people find pop-ups very useful and often request them. What are the problems for people with javascript enabled browsers? One problem is with screen-readers (for example JAWS). JAWS has partial javascript support and, as such, it will announce that a new event has occurred, but the user might not be able to locate/access the new content. Hope that helps. M ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the sender of the e-mail. It is your responsibility to protect your system from viruses and any other harmful code or device. This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses; However LMUK accepts no liability for any which remain. We may monitor or access any or all e-mails sent to us. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation question
John S. Britsios wrote: Dear members, I would like to ask your opinion about the use of the Skip to Main Content and Skip to Sub Navigation links. We recently designed our second web site http://www.seoworkers.com and as we did not want to have the links visible, we have hidden them with CSS techniques. My question though is, where would be better to have those links. Before, or after the logo of the page? Thank your very much in advance for your kind support. Best wishes, John The first time I was really struck by this device was when I saw the new WaSP website [http://webstandards.org/]. I think that method is very good - you get to the page and immediately you get the opportunity to head to what you want from it. The only thing about your site is that your header contains an important heading, which you may or may not deem crucial to their reading. If you're thinking about this in the first place you may want to consider the increasingly popular philosophy that navigation is 9 times out of 10 the last thing someone wants to see first on any page (you just used it to get here, it's only if you've made a mistake that you're going to want to navigate away again immediately). If you subscribe to this usability belief, you may consider sequencing your page headercontentnavigation and including a 'Skip to navigation' at the end of the header. Using a bit of clever CSS, this needn't affect the visual layout of the page. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)
Hi all, I had the last letter of some floated form elements appearing on the next line. I've managed to get rid of the letter itself with position: relative; on the form input but there's still a 'phantom line' in IE adding a load of 'padding' to the bottom of the label or fieldset. The problem wasn't there when I isolated the 'my details' fieldset however it is apparent when you look at the whole form: http://www.sanchothefat.com/dev/phantom-line.html (CSS is inline) There are some other problems I've noticed when viewing the form in a fluid state, namely with the password fieldset being out of alignment when the page first loads in IE6 and also the shorter post code input can't decide if it's on the form or not. The rendering in Firefox, IE7 and Opera is what I'm after although Opera puts a little bit of space in front of the email and password inputs, I'm guessing it's white-space so not too big a deal. I've tried everything I can think of so far but hopefully it's an easy one to fix... Thanks in advance, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)
Rob O'Rourke wrote:
I had the last letter of some floated form elements appearing on the
next line. I've managed to get rid of the letter itself with
position: relative; on the form input but there's still a 'phantom
line' in IE adding a load of 'padding' to the bottom of the label or
fieldset.
http://www.sanchothefat.com/dev/phantom-line.html
Have you tried adding...
* html option {display: none;}
...?
That addition improves things in my IE6 (on win2K).
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation question
Barney Carroll wrote: If you're thinking about this in the first place you may want to consider the increasingly popular philosophy that navigation is 9 times out of 10 the last thing someone wants to see first on any page (you just used it to get here, it's only if you've made a mistake that you're going to want to navigate away again immediately). If you subscribe to this usability belief, you may consider sequencing your page headercontentnavigation and including a 'Skip to navigation' at the end of the header. Using a bit of clever CSS, this needn't affect the visual layout of the page. This might be confusing for sighted keyboard users as tabbing navigation would work differently than what they would expect; this would be different if the menu was some vertical navigation bar (right hand side next to content) rather than an horizontal one showing above the content. Also, I think (I may be wrong though) the WCAG 2 (FWIW) recommends to display the elements in the same sequence as they show in the markup. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation question
Thierry Koblentz wrote: This might be confusing for sighted keyboard users as tabbing navigation would work differently than what they would expect; this would be different if the menu was some vertical navigation bar (right hand side next to content) rather than an horizontal one showing above the content. True - however I've become a big fan of tab-browsing recently (my home PC's mouse broke a week ago and I haven't seen fit to get a new one yet), and it is generally quite a jumpy affair - you're never exactly sure where you're going to jump to visually, and it's often not immediately visible with objects that don't highlight once activated. As it stands, John's site already employs a nav that is above but below the header (as does the WaSP example I mentioned). Admittedly if you're entirely reliant on visual presentation and tab-browsing (what kind of a demographic is this, I wonder?), I can imagine some users might get infuriated at going through the header and starting to plow around the content and extras without being able to access that nav that's apparently 'right there'. I would start back-tabbing at this point, but I don't know if that'd occur to most. Also, I think (I may be wrong though) the WCAG 2 (FWIW) recommends to display the elements in the same sequence as they show in the markup. Would be interested to see if this is the case. Quickly skimmed the guidelines but couldn't find anything. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
On the statement of people requesting the pop-ups You're right, many people do request them, but this is typically based on past experience and believing that a popup is the only solution. As the developer, its your job to either a) do what ever the client wants, including using popups, or b) advise them of the pitfalls of the technique. I personally replaced popups withe one of the many lightbox flavors out there - if its images you want to popup, your covered - same with a little content. The nice thing about that technique is that it falls back to a regular link if javascript support is not there. I have never tested the lightbox effect on screenreaders - I have no idea how it comes across. On PDA's etc, the link is just followed with no effect so it works fine. My 2 cents, Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We consistently encounter problems with popup windows during user testing, usually because the user does not realise that a new window has opened. There are then two problems; firstly the Back button doesn't work, but also it is common for the popup not to contain any navigation. The result is confusion. We see this a lot with screen reader users. Even though the screen reader does inform the user that a new window has opened, we find that the user often does not notice this warning because they are listening for the page title, number of links and heading etc. It is also a big problem for screen magnifier users. At anything over x3 magnification it is common for the popup to fill the whole window, and this can happen at lower magnification levels with large popups. The user has no way to know that they are now looking at a new window. When they scroll to the extremes of the page they may see the main window behind the popup but they can see so little of the page that they usually do not realise that it is a separate window. Steve Green Director Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility www.testpartners.co.uk www.accessibility.co.uk Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Billerey wrote: Does this help any? http://www.accessify.com/tools-and-wizards/ Look for the link for the pop-up window generator. It doesn't actually because the generated html includes a target attribute. David answered my question but the issue it leaves me with is: many people find pop-ups very useful and often request them. What are the problems for people with javascript enabled browsers? Kind Regards *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Joseph R. B. Taylor *Sites by Joe, LLC* /Custom Web Design Development/ http://sitesbyjoe.com (609) 335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Joseph R. B. Taylor n:Taylor;Joseph org:Sites by Joe, LLC adr:;;408 Route 47 South;Cape May Court House;NJ;08210;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:609-335-3076 tel;cell:609-335-3076 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://sitesbyjoe.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation question
On 13 Dec 2006, at 17:54:14, Barney Carroll wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: Also, I think (I may be wrong though) the WCAG 2 (FWIW) recommends to display the elements in the same sequence as they show in the markup. Would be interested to see if this is the case. Quickly skimmed the guidelines but couldn't find anything. WCAG 2.0 requires that When the sequence of the content affects its meaning, that sequence can be programmatically determined. [1] Understanding WCAG 2.0 explains what is meant by a meaningful sequence [2] and links to Techniques for WCAG 2.0 which gives an example of incorrect use of CSS breaking this guideline, in which positioning is used to provide the appearance of two lists when only one list is present in the markup. [3] Basically, what it all comes down to is that you shouldn't use CSS to arrange content in such a way as to add meaning: the content should be marked up in a meaningful way to start with. Given that moving around the chunks of a page (navigation, header, etc.) doesn't actually add further meaning to the content of those chunks, those considerations don't (IMHO) apply in the case under discussion. HTH, Nick. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/guidelines.html#content-structure- separation [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/Overview.html#content- structure-separation-sequence [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20060427/ Overview.html#F1 -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation question
Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Admittedly if you're entirely reliant on visual presentation and tab-browsing (what kind of a demographic is this, I wonder?), I can imagine some users might get infuriated at going through the header and starting to plow around the content and extras without being able to access that nav that's apparently 'right there'. I would start back-tabbing at this point, but I don't know if that'd occur to most. --- Many different user groups use keyboard-only navigation. People who cannot use a mouse would include those with conditions such as RSI, arthritis, shaking diseases, cerebral palsy etc. Some might use a normal keyboard but many use adaptive devices that emulate keyboards. Then there are those of us who just find it easier to use keyboard navigation on certain sites. I find myself doing this more nowadays especially on pages containing forms. I encounter a lot of sites where the page sometimes jumps when you click a link so you have to move the mouse and click it again. That obviously doesn't happen when using keyboard navigation. It would be great if browsers all had the kind of features you get in screen readers such the ability to jump to the next heading, list, form etc. That would make keyboard navigation a whole lot easier. Steve Green Director Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility www.testpartners.co.uk www.accessibility.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)
� wrote:
Rob O'Rourke wrote:
I had the last letter of some floated form elements appearing on the
next line. I've managed to get rid of the letter itself with
position: relative; on the form input but there's still a 'phantom
line' in IE adding a load of 'padding' to the bottom of the label or
fieldset.
http://www.sanchothefat.com/dev/phantom-line.html
Have you tried adding...
* html option {display: none;}
...?
That addition improves things in my IE6 (on win2K).
regards
Georg
Nope, I would never have considered that option! (no pun intended) very
bizarre behaviour... but then again it's IE6. Thanks a million Georg.
I found the PIE page i was looking for [1], it was the duplicate
characters bug however none of the triggers mentioned on that page were
present... as far as i could work out anyway. At least the fix mentioned
on the page works, along with overflow: hidden;
* html option { display: none; }
* html label.del-post-code { margin-right: -3px; overflow: hidden; }
* html label.business-type { margin-right: -3px; overflow: hidden; }
This seems to have done the trick but I still can't work out why the
initial page rendering is off sometimes. At least it doesn't appear out
of line in the layout its currently starring in so that's something.
Thanks again Georg,
Rob O
[1] http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html
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Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
Steve, Its interesting to hear that the original version isn't working. It's also a shame since its such a nice effect and solves so many other little problems. There are a bunch of implementations, such as: http://particletree.com/features/lightbox-gone-wild/ http://serennz.sakura.ne.jp/toybox/lightbox/ There's plenty more too, but they are all built pretty much the same - the Particle Tree demo is one I'm interested to know if it works any better on JAWS. I wonder if a fix can be applied, such as setting focus on the lightboxed content or something to help the JAWS users... Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked at http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox/ with JAWS 7.10 and it's not good. The overlay is displayed if the user clicks the link but JAWS does not read any of the content in the overlay. In fact the user won't have any idea that the page has changed. Do you have any other examples where this technique has been applied? Steve Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the statement of people requesting the pop-ups You're right, many people do request them, but this is typically based on past experience and believing that a popup is the only solution. As the developer, its your job to either a) do what ever the client wants, including using popups, or b) advise them of the pitfalls of the technique. I personally replaced popups withe one of the many lightbox flavors out there - if its images you want to popup, your covered - same with a little content. The nice thing about that technique is that it falls back to a regular link if javascript support is not there. I have never tested the lightbox effect on screenreaders - I have no idea how it comes across. On PDA's etc, the link is just followed with no effect so it works fine. My 2 cents, Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Joseph R. B. Taylor *Sites by Joe, LLC* /Custom Web Design Development/ http://sitesbyjoe.com (609) 335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Joseph R. B. Taylor n:Taylor;Joseph org:Sites by Joe, LLC adr:;;408 Route 47 South;Cape May Court House;NJ;08210;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:609-335-3076 tel;cell:609-335-3076 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://sitesbyjoe.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked at http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox/ with JAWS 7.10 and it's not good. The overlay is displayed if the user clicks the link but JAWS does not read any of the content in the overlay. In fact the user won't have any idea that the page has changed. Do you have any other examples where this technique has been applied? http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/gallery/photo_gallery.asp#null It's more keyboard-friendly than JAWS-friendly though... Actually, I'm starting to think that using display:none rather than position:absolute to hide content may be screenreader-friendlier when it comes to some show/hide behavior. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
There are a bunch of implementations, such as: http://particletree.com/features/lightbox-gone-wild/ http://serennz.sakura.ne.jp/toybox/lightbox/ Here's another implementation using jQuery: http://jquery.com/demo/thickbox/index.htm Another issue I found with all of these implementations is that they don't behave correctly if your zoom level is anything other than 100% in IE 7. Regards, Kepler Gelotte http://www.neighborwebmaster.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 13 Dec 2006, at 19:39:17, Rob O'Rourke wrote: I found the PIE page i was looking for [1], it was the duplicate characters bug however none of the triggers mentioned on that page were present... as far as i could work out anyway. [1] http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html It's probably your input type=hiddens; they're mentioned as triggering the bug in the paragraph beginning Update! July 5, 2004 about halfway down the page. Regards, Nick. --Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ Hi Nick, Thats just it, there are no input type=hiddens or any none displayed elements in the places it says are the trigger points e.g. between floats. I read the whole PIE page but it describes the cure and not the symptom in this case. Unless of course you want to generalise and describe the symptom as IE6 =P I need to get control of what hasLayout and what doesn't before I can work out what's really going on. Thanks, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Hi all, I hope your December is going well. :) Long story short, I am looking for a CMS that meets as many of the below items as possible (not really in any particular order): 0. CSS/XHTML, RSS/XML, with good to excellent template management system. As table free as possible. Light-weight. 1. Newsletter sign up: HTML format with ability to attach files (pdf, doc, txt...). 2. Member sign up: Members can edit personal content. 3. Admin member management: Admins can add/remove/edit members and member info. 4. On-line payments: Member dues, events, other. 5. Personalized member calendars: Customizable, forward events, set email reminders. 6. Polls/surveys with results: Result/poll archives? 7. Links page: Easily updated via online form (via admin back-end, see #12). 8. Blog homepage: News with ability to post photos or other dynamic content. News/blog archives are a must (via admin back-end, see #12.) 9. Photo gallery, with ability to pull galleries into other sections of site (i.e. sidebar with random image from particular gallery - when clicked, takes you to that particular gallery.) 10. Good SEO and SERPS placement: Related to #0. 12. Admin back-end. Maybe watered-down section for Client, and power-user section for the developers. Related to #3. Hopefully above list is not too confusing. Any ideas as to a CMS that would meet most of my needs? I can only code to a certain point until I am not worth the time... I fall more on the design end of the web developer spectrum anyway, so I am open to hiring a professional programmer to add/edit modules. Any CMS apps that are easily customizable? I am not a fan of, but my first thought is Joomla. I would greatly appreciate the advice. TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Have a look at Drupal (drupal.org), I think it (plus added modules) can do all on your list. May take a little getting into some aspects, but wow! Best Caterina - Original Message - From: Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise. Hi all, I hope your December is going well. :) Long story short, I am looking for a CMS that meets as many of the below items as possible (not really in any particular order): 0. CSS/XHTML, RSS/XML, with good to excellent template management system. As table free as possible. Light-weight. 1. Newsletter sign up: HTML format with ability to attach files (pdf, doc, txt...). 2. Member sign up: Members can edit personal content. 3. Admin member management: Admins can add/remove/edit members and member info. 4. On-line payments: Member dues, events, other. 5. Personalized member calendars: Customizable, forward events, set email reminders. 6. Polls/surveys with results: Result/poll archives? 7. Links page: Easily updated via online form (via admin back-end, see #12). 8. Blog homepage: News with ability to post photos or other dynamic content. News/blog archives are a must (via admin back-end, see #12.) 9. Photo gallery, with ability to pull galleries into other sections of site (i.e. sidebar with random image from particular gallery - when clicked, takes you to that particular gallery.) 10. Good SEO and SERPS placement: Related to #0. 12. Admin back-end. Maybe watered-down section for Client, and power-user section for the developers. Related to #3. Hopefully above list is not too confusing. Any ideas as to a CMS that would meet most of my needs? I can only code to a certain point until I am not worth the time... I fall more on the design end of the web developer spectrum anyway, so I am open to hiring a professional programmer to add/edit modules. Any CMS apps that are easily customizable? I am not a fan of, but my first thought is Joomla. I would greatly appreciate the advice. TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Depending on whether you are able to move out of open source your requirements are met out of standard modules by Colony. http://www.thinkcolony.com - Original Message - From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org listdad@webstandardsgroup.org To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org cms@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wed Dec 13 22:19:29 2006 Subject: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise. Hi all, I hope your December is going well. :) Long story short, I am looking for a CMS that meets as many of the below items as possible (not really in any particular order): 0. CSS/XHTML, RSS/XML, with good to excellent template management system. As table free as possible. Light-weight. 1. Newsletter sign up: HTML format with ability to attach files (pdf, doc, txt...). 2. Member sign up: Members can edit personal content. 3. Admin member management: Admins can add/remove/edit members and member info. 4. On-line payments: Member dues, events, other. 5. Personalized member calendars: Customizable, forward events, set email reminders. 6. Polls/surveys with results: Result/poll archives? 7. Links page: Easily updated via online form (via admin back-end, see #12). 8. Blog homepage: News with ability to post photos or other dynamic content. News/blog archives are a must (via admin back-end, see #12.) 9. Photo gallery, with ability to pull galleries into other sections of site (i.e. sidebar with random image from particular gallery - when clicked, takes you to that particular gallery.) 10. Good SEO and SERPS placement: Related to #0. 12. Admin back-end. Maybe watered-down section for Client, and power-user section for the developers. Related to #3. Hopefully above list is not too confusing. Any ideas as to a CMS that would meet most of my needs? I can only code to a certain point until I am not worth the time... I fall more on the design end of the web developer spectrum anyway, so I am open to hiring a professional programmer to add/edit modules. Any CMS apps that are easily customizable? I am not a fan of, but my first thought is Joomla. I would greatly appreciate the advice. TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Caterina Carola wrote: Have a look at Drupal (drupal.org), I think it (plus added modules) can do all on your list. May take a little getting into some aspects, but wow! Oooh, good call. :) IIRC, I have heard good things about Drupal -- never used it though... but it looks like it would be a good pick for my requirements. Many thanks Caterina, I greatly appreciate your input. :D Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Richard Conyard wrote: Depending on whether you are able to move out of open source your requirements are met out of standard modules by Colony. http://www.thinkcolony.com Ah, yes, I am pretty sure I include a non-open source option into the budget. Thanks for the suggestion, reading about Colony now. :) Thank you Richard, I really appreciate your advice. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: You're right, many people do request them, but this is typically based on past experience and believing that a popup is the only solution. As the developer, its your job to either a) do what ever the client wants, including using popups, or b) advise them of the pitfalls of the technique. From the other replies on this thread it would appear that, though there are pitfalls with the pop-up, its not clear that there is an adequate alternative. Is there more lateral thinking required here? It seems like the cleverer you get with your techniques the more potential hoops there are to jump through. If its hard to find an answer, maybe I'm asking the wrong question. Should the question be: 'Do you have an accessible solution that satisfies all or most of the requirements that are met by the use of a pop-up in a given situation'? Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder while excellence is in the hand of the professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Rereading your requirements the functional element may also be able to be handled by plone as well. - Original Message - From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org listdad@webstandardsgroup.org To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org cms@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wed Dec 13 23:08:34 2006 Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise. Richard Conyard wrote: Depending on whether you are able to move out of open source your requirements are met out of standard modules by Colony. http://www.thinkcolony.com Ah, yes, I am pretty sure I include a non-open source option into the budget. Thanks for the suggestion, reading about Colony now. :) Thank you Richard, I really appreciate your advice. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Richard Conyard wrote: Rereading your requirements the functional element may also be able to be handled by plone as well. Ah, right... IIRC, I have also heard good things about Plone. Researching that as an option now. Thanks again for the advice, I really appreciate the help. :) Colony question: It looks like they offer installation/hosting and regular maintenance... If cost were not a factor, would you recommend having the Colony developers manage those aspects of the CMS? Or, maybe a better question: Which aspects of the Colony CMS would you want to personally manage? Seems like Colony would be a good solution if I just wanted to deal with design/CSS/templating. Thanks again Richard, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
Steve, You mentioned that lightbox implementations are not accessible in that JAWs does not read any of the displayed content I see this as a real problem as the new approach to displaying images etc has been to use lightbox or something similar. Joe, it would be good to know whether setting focus makes a difference to JAWs. Anyone else got any ideas? I agree popups (in the traditional target=blah) is an approach that should not be used for many reasons. So how do we tell screenreaders a) to ignore the lightbox javascript and follow the href, OR b) that new content is being displayed? A great conversation this one. Will it end? ~ brad - Original Message - From: Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: You're right, many people do request them, but this is typically based on past experience and believing that a popup is the only solution. As the developer, its your job to either a) do what ever the client wants, including using popups, or b) advise them of the pitfalls of the technique. From the other replies on this thread it would appear that, though there are pitfalls with the pop-up, its not clear that there is an adequate alternative. Is there more lateral thinking required here? It seems like the cleverer you get with your techniques the more potential hoops there are to jump through. If its hard to find an answer, maybe I'm asking the wrong question. Should the question be: 'Do you have an accessible solution that satisfies all or most of the requirements that are met by the use of a pop-up in a given situation'? Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder while excellence is in the hand of the professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Hi Micky, You haven't stated whether you were looking for a paid or open source solution but I offer the same advice to you that I offer anyone looking for the 'right' CMS. Firstyly, visit CMS Matrix - www.cmsmatrix.org - narrow the scope of the matrix by searching http://cmsmatrix.org/matrix/cms-matrix?func=search for exactly the criteria you're looking for in a content management product. It's not perfect but it's a great start. Then, try out the demo of any of the open source solutions you've narrowed it down to www.opensourcecms.org . This site only demos open source CMSs but it's also a great place to start. Basically, any of the larger/enterprise CMSs will handle your needs, mostly through the installation of third party modules. Unfortunately, as most people here know, I tend not to rate any of these either due to the fact that they'e just too over-blown for most people's needs, or have a steep learning curve which defeats the entire purpose. If you're happy to pay a developer to produce modules for some of your more specific requirements then I'd recommend taking a look at CMS Made Simple http://cmsmadesimple.org/ (groan, they say ;0). It can currently handle most of what you want 'out of the box' and there are core developers on hand who will happily take on paid work at reasonable rates for the purpose of producing new modules for people which are then released under the GPL in a more generic form. Happy hunting! -- Paul A Noone Webmaster, ASHM _ From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 9:30 AM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:19:29 -0800 Subject: Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise. Hi all, I hope your December is going well. :) Long story short, I am looking for a CMS that meets as many of the below items as possible (not really in any particular order): 0. CSS/XHTML, RSS/XML, with good to excellent template management system. As table free as possible. Light-weight. 1. Newsletter sign up: HTML format with ability to attach files (pdf, doc, txt...). 2. Member sign up: Members can edit personal content. 3. Admin member management: Admins can add/remove/edit members and member info. 4. On-line payments: Member dues, events, other. 5. Personalized member calendars: Customizable, forward events, set email reminders. 6. Polls/surveys with results: Result/poll archives? 7. Links page: Easily updated via online form (via admin back-end, see #12). 8. Blog homepage: News with ability to post photos or other dynamic content. News/blog archives are a must (via admin back-end, see #12.) 9. Photo gallery, with ability to pull galleries into other sections of site (i.e. sidebar with random image from particular gallery - when clicked, takes you to that particular gallery.) 10. Good SEO and SERPS placement: Related to #0. 12. Admin back-end. Maybe watered-down section for Client, and power-user section for the developers. Related to #3. Hopefully above list is not too confusing. Any ideas as to a CMS that would meet most of my needs? I can only code to a certain point until I am not worth the time... I fall more on the design end of the web developer spectrum anyway, so I am open to hiring a professional programmer to add/edit modules. Any CMS apps that are easily customizable? I am not a fan of, but my first thought is Joomla. I would greatly appreciate the advice. TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: Switch: BCC?: My: -- Wishlist: Switch: BCC?: My: ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
[WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Micky, Sorry, mate. A couple more things. It's www.opensourcecms.com , not .org. Go easy on the comparison check at cmsmatrix.org. If at first you get no results, whittle down your criteria (starting with Root and Sheel Login). So far as open source solutions go, Drupal and TYP03 can both easily handle what you want. If you've got someone in-house who can handle the development (some PHP and templating knowledge, as well as the learning curve) then I'd put my money on Drupal. But be warned, these are enterprise level CMSs. _ From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 9:30 AM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:19:29 -0800 Subject: Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise. Hi all, I hope your December is going well. :) Long story short, I am looking for a CMS that meets as many of the below items as possible (not really in any particular order): 0. CSS/XHTML, RSS/XML, with good to excellent template management system. As table free as possible. Light-weight. 1. Newsletter sign up: HTML format with ability to attach files (pdf, doc, txt...). 2. Member sign up: Members can edit personal content. 3. Admin member management: Admins can add/remove/edit members and member info. 4. On-line payments: Member dues, events, other. 5. Personalized member calendars: Customizable, forward events, set email reminders. 6. Polls/surveys with results: Result/poll archives? 7. Links page: Easily updated via online form (via admin back-end, see #12). 8. Blog homepage: News with ability to post photos or other dynamic content. News/blog archives are a must (via admin back-end, see #12.) 9. Photo gallery, with ability to pull galleries into other sections of site (i.e. sidebar with random image from particular gallery - when clicked, takes you to that particular gallery.) 10. Good SEO and SERPS placement: Related to #0. 12. Admin back-end. Maybe watered-down section for Client, and power-user section for the developers. Related to #3. Hopefully above list is not too confusing. Any ideas as to a CMS that would meet most of my needs? I can only code to a certain point until I am not worth the time... I fall more on the design end of the web developer spectrum anyway, so I am open to hiring a professional programmer to add/edit modules. Any CMS apps that are easily customizable? I am not a fan of, but my first thought is Joomla. I would greatly appreciate the advice. TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: Switch: BCC?: My: -- Wishlist: Switch: BCC?: My: ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Paul Noone wrote: You haven't stated whether you were looking for a paid or open source solution but I offer the same advice to you that I offer anyone looking for the 'right' CMS. ...snip... Hi Paul! Thanks for the great info! I think I am leaning towards an Open Source solution. I was not aware of cmsmatrix site, definitely a great place to start. Thanks for link. :) Also, thanks for all the other advice/links -- you input has been very helpful. Many many thanks to you and all who have responded. :) Cheers, Micky ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Quoth Micky Hulse at 12/14/06 09:36... IIRC, I have heard good things about Drupal -- never used it though... but it looks like it would be a good pick for my requirements. I've played with Drupal a couple of times, but have never delved too deep. Most things look OK, but the URI scheme is ghastly, although I guess that it should be possible to change that without too much effort. Someone on another list (some site in Italy) was claiming good WCAG compliance with a template they had produced. You might want to search for Drupal on the WAI Interest Group mailing list if you decide to go the Drupal route, and see what they were doing. Cheers M -- Matthew Smith IT Consultancy Accessible Web Application Development Business: http://www.kbc.net.au/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Hi Matthew, many thanks for you help and guidance. :) Matthew Smith wrote: I've played with Drupal a couple of times, but have never delved too deep. Most things look OK, but the URI scheme is ghastly, although I guess that it should be possible to change that without too much effort. Ah, interesting. Thanks for the tip. I will be sure to pay attention to that aspect of Drupal when testing it on Open Source CMS site. Someone on another list (some site in Italy) was claiming good WCAG compliance with a template they had produced. You might want to search for Drupal on the WAI Interest Group mailing list if you decide to go the Drupal route, and see what they were doing. Ah, another good tip. Thanks. :) Accessibility and standards are definitely important to me, I will be sure to research this aspect of Drupal if I head that direction. Either way, signing-up for the WAI Interest Group now. :) http://www.w3.org/WAI/IG/ These must be the archives you mention: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/ Thanks again Matthew, I appreciate all of your help. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Paul Noone wrote: It's www.opensourcecms.com http://www.opensourcecms.com , not .org. Ah, thanks for the correction. :) Go easy on the comparison check at cmsmatrix.org. If at first you get no results, whittle down your criteria (starting with Root and Sheel Login). Sounds good. So far I have found the site very helpful. Again, thanks for tip/link. :) So far as open source solutions go, Drupal and TYP03 can both easily handle what you want. If you've got someone in-house who can handle the development (some PHP and templating knowledge, as well as the learning curve) then I'd put my money on Drupal. At the moment, I do not have a programmer in mind. :( I am hoping a lot of this I can handle. Most of my CMS experience is with Expression Engine and Textpattern. Hmm, anyone know where one could look to higher dependable CMS developers? I am 80% confident I could handle development... but for this project, I would prefer to let someone with experience handle the setup while I focus on design/CSS/templating. It sounds like the best place to start looking for developers would be via the forums of the chosen CMS. But be warned, these are enterprise level CMSs. Good to hear warnings. If it is not too much trouble, could you expound on that statement a little? Many many thanks Paul, I greatly appreciate your (and everyone else's) advice and expertise knowledge. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 13:16 +1030, Matthew Smith wrote: I've played with Drupal a couple of times, but have never delved too deep. Most things look OK, but the URI scheme is ghastly, although I guess that it should be possible to change that without too much effort. You just need to fill in the URL path settings when creating or editing a node (page). If you don't then you get node/xxx by default. Rich. -- Rich Buggy WebDevTV.com (Coming Soon) ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
