[WSG] seo url

2007-01-10 Thread Mihael Zadravec
Hello! What would you consider to be better: [1] www.domain.com/index.php/something or [2] www.domain.com/something.com or [2] www.domain.com/index.php?page=something I know that the best would be www.domain.com/something, but there is no mod_rewrite option enabled.. Thank you! Mihael

Re: [WSG] seo url

2007-01-10 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Mihael Zadravec at 01/10/07 19:55... Hello! What would you consider to be better: [1] www.domain.com/index.php/something http://www.domain.com/index.php/something or [2] www.domain.com/something.com http://www.domain.com/something.com or [2] www.domain.com/index.php?page=something

[WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Mihael Zadravec
Hello list! I have a question for you... :) If one uses cursor:default; as a default property for body {}, on the whole page (links are cursor:pointer;)... Do you find that souch method is not good or it actualy does have any relevancy? I use it on a daily basis...Should I change that? thank

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 1/10/07, Mihael Zadravec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one uses cursor:default; as a default property for body {}, on the whole page (links are cursor:pointer;)... Do you find that souch method is not good or it actualy does have any relevancy? What would be the point if it is the default

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Mihael Zadravec
If it is not set as default than over the text cursor looks like this: I but if set as defautlt when you go with it over the text, it stay like: arrow On 1/10/07, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/10/07, Mihael Zadravec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one uses cursor:default; as a

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread redux
Quoting Mihael Zadravec [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If one uses cursor:default; as a default property for body {}, on the whole page (links are cursor:pointer;)... Do you find that souch method is not good or it actualy does have any relevancy? Leave it up to the browser to decide what the cursor

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread redux
Quoting Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What would be the point if it is the default anyway? It basically forces the normal arrow type pointer, so even if you're over text the cursor doesn't change to the vertical bar type thing. P -- Patrick H. Lauke

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Mihael Zadravec [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I use it because it's annoying if while moving cursor around the site, it constantly changes. So it seems nicer if it does not change, but still able to grab a certain text... Annoying to you, perhaps, but vital for other users. It's generally a

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Anders Nawroth
Mihael Zadravec skrev: that is rigt. I will stop doing that... But than again... Opera displays arrow even when cursor is positiond over the text... There are people who have problems to spot the cursor when it's the vertical bar. That would be a reason to use the arrow. /anders

[WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility

2007-01-10 Thread Andrew Ingram
I'm not entirely sure if this query falls under the scope of this group, apologies for that. One of the points in accessibility checks is that information conveyed using colour is also conveyed without. The most common way of doing visited links is to have them be a slightly different

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Mihael Zadravec
On 1/10/07, Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mihael Zadravec skrev: that is rigt. I will stop doing that... But than again... Opera displays arrow even when cursor is positiond over the text... There are people who have problems to spot the cursor when it's the vertical bar. That

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are people who have problems to spot the cursor when it's the vertical bar. That would be a reason to use the arrow. Some people have very specific problems, but will have to learn how to adapt their user agent, or themselves, to cope with

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mihael Zadravec wrote: that is rigt. I will stop doing that... But than again... Opera displays arrow even when cursor is positiond over the text... Do you people think that they should change that because users maybe don't know if they can grab the text or not? Might be confusing for a few

RE: [WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility

2007-01-10 Thread Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Ingram Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:26 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility I'm not entirely sure if this query falls under the scope

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Mihael Zadravec [EMAIL PROTECTED]: that is rigt. I will stop doing that... But than again... Opera displays arrow even when cursor is positiond over the text... So then people who find the default behaviour in other browsers annoying should consider switching to Opera. Do you

RE: [WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility

2007-01-10 Thread michael.brockington
I read quite an interesting conversation on a similar topic recently (was it here? I'm not sure.) One of the main things that came out was that in some circumstances a visited link should be downplayed - no need to go there again, whereas in other cases they should be played-up - to emphasise

Re: [WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility

2007-01-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Andrew Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One of the points in accessibility checks is that information conveyed using colour is also conveyed without. The most common way of doing visited links is to have them be a slightly different colour. It's my opinion that in a purely visual sense

RE: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Steve Green
We do a lot of user testing with screen reader users, and this is the basis for most of my contributions to this list. Flash support has increased over the last few years so the user experience depends both on the make of screen reader and the version. The user experience can be good if the

Re: [WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility

2007-01-10 Thread Andrew Ingram
Barney Carroll wrote: I like the tick idea a lot. You should look at PPK's unusual but very clever system for attaching info to links [http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/index.html] - he does a similar thing, only without express use of :after. Regards, Barney I like this approach too, but it

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Andrew Maben
When I read the first couple of messages in this thread, I had a look at my two browsers - IE6/PC and Safari/Mac. It was interesting to see that IE displays what I believe is the correct behavior (the cursor becomes insertion bar over text), while in Safari it remains an arrow - or does

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 10 Jan 2007, at 15:09:12, Andrew Maben wrote: When I read the first couple of messages in this thread, I had a look at my two browsers - IE6/PC and Safari/Mac. It was interesting to see that IE displays what I believe is the correct behavior (the cursor becomes insertion bar over text),

Re: [WSG] Background images turned off? (was Visited Links and Accessibility)

2007-01-10 Thread Barney Carroll
Andrew Ingram wrote: Barney Carroll wrote: I like the tick idea a lot. You should look at PPK's unusual but very clever system for attaching info to links [http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/index.html] - he does a similar thing, only without express use of :after. Regards, Barney I like this

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Andrew Maben
Strange: my Safari 2.0.4 (419.3) turns the cursor into an insertion bar over text. Did you see this on more than one site? Stranger still - I was actually looking at an unrefreshed page (Macintouch) that had been open overnight while the machine slept. After refreshing the page, cursor

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Anders Nawroth
Patrick H. Lauke skrev: Quoting Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are people who have problems to spot the cursor when it's the vertical bar. That would be a reason to use the arrow. Some people have very specific problems, but will have to learn how to adapt their user agent, or

Re: [WSG] Background images turned off? (was Visited Links and Accessibility)

2007-01-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On the issue of background-images: I had never heard of people turning off background images before coming to the list. How is it done? Why is it done? How common is it? In your browser's preferences, often hidden away. Why? To save bandwidth. A

Re: [WSG] ainput//a - how wrong?

2007-01-10 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Barney Carroll wrote: ...snip... Update: Couldn't get csshover.htc to work - dumped it in with my stylesheets and called it via body{behavior:url(stylesheets/csshover.htc)} but it wouldn't have any effect... May turn out to be a stupid oversight... ...snip... Regards, Barney Hi Barney,

Re: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Hassan Schroeder wrote: Steve Green wrote: We do a lot of user testing with screen reader users,... Also Flash movies are made in layers. Have you tested any (non-timelined) Flex-based sites or apps? Just my two pence but I think what you really need to do is add an

RE: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Steve Green
We have tested many Flex-based applications, mostly for e-learning, and the same issues apply. If anything Flex-based applications are worse because they tend to be more interactive. Designers often create their own form controls so they can style them however they want, and these are almost never

RE: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Steve Green
Audio opens up a new can of worms. It certainly should not start automatically because that causes problems for several user groups, not just those with disabilities. It could benefit some users but you shouldn't implement it in a way that is to the detriment of others. Some blind people use

Re: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Steve Green wrote: Audio opens up a new can of worms. It certainly should not start automatically because that causes problems for several user groups, not just those with disabilities. It could benefit some users but you shouldn't implement it in a way that is to the detriment of others. Some

Re: [WSG] Background images turned off? (was Visited Links and Accessibility)

2007-01-10 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Barney Carroll at 01/11/07 02:21... On the issue of background-images: I had never heard of people turning off background images before coming to the list. I now include Opera Mini in my suite of user agents that I use for testing. Whilst I use the emulator for most work (no useage

Re: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Rob O'Rourke at 01/11/07 03:57... Just my two pence but I think what you really need to do is add an audio layer to that flash site. As an example one of the sites we host (its not at all accessible code-wise) has audio to say hello and indicate what you can do on a page. I think

Re: [WSG] Background images turned off? (was Visited Links and Accessibility)

2007-01-10 Thread Tom Livingston
On 1/10/07 3:54 PM, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember folks, mobile Web users are on the increase (I'm sure it's not just me!) and should be catered for. Another reason for sites to work perfectly sans-images. hopeful thought And when the iPhone takes off, we won't need to

Re: [WSG] Background images turned off? (was Visited Links and Accessibility)

2007-01-10 Thread Tyssen Design
Remember folks, mobile Web users are on the increase The launch of Apple's iPhone could also have a significant impact in this area too. -- Tyssen Design Web print design services www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590

[WSG] OT - iPhone (WasBackground images turned off?)

2007-01-10 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
The iPhone was trademarked by Cisco/Linksys in 1999. (Serial #75076573) Linksys issued a press release on December 18, 2006, announcing *their* iPhone. Some new reports indicate that Cisco will not allow Apple to use the name, at least not without some licensing compensation, if at all.

[WSG] site check for broken links, 404 errors and javascript

2007-01-10 Thread Dwain Alford
would you check the following site for broken links, links that give a 404 error and see that the javascript works across browser land? i've looked and checked until it all runs together and i can't see the forest for the trees on a w2k box. p.s. i don't have mac or linux, a look see on these

Re: [WSG] site check for broken links, 404 errors and javascript

2007-01-10 Thread Nikita The Spider
On 1/10/07, Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would you check the following site for broken links, links that give a 404 error Dwain, Why ask humans to do the kind of drudgery that computers excel at? Try the W3C link checker instead: http://validator.w3.org/checklink Or there's this one

Re: [WSG] Use of audio in Flash and on web pages in general - FROM: my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth (haha) Rob O'Rourke at 01/11/07 03:57... Just my two pence but I think what you really need to do is add an audio layer to that flash site. As an example one of the sites we host (its not at all accessible code-wise) has audio to say hello and indicate what you can

Re: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Jermayn Parker
The thing that gets me with this discussion is why create all these features to cover up the problem? If you created it in XHTML/ php etc and not flash, you would not have these problems and then you would not have to spend extra time fixing the problems that has been caused by using flash.

Re: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(

2007-01-10 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Jermayn Parker wrote: The thing that gets me with this discussion is why create all these features to cover up the problem? If you created it in XHTML/ php etc and not flash, you would not have these problems and then you would not have to spend extra time fixing the problems that has been

Re: [WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility

2007-01-10 Thread Donna Jones
One of the points in accessibility checks is that information conveyed using colour is also conveyed without. The most common way of doing visited links is to have them be a slightly different colour. It's my opinion that in a purely visual sense (because I don't know how screen readers

[WSG] query about h1 trend

2007-01-10 Thread Jermayn Parker
ok just browsing some websites during lunch break and i came across this: http://tatteredfly.com and in looking at the code, ive noticed that the header image is a background of the div but in the code they have a 'heading one' with the title. Is this hidden and is this used for SEO reasons??

Re: [WSG] query about h1 trend

2007-01-10 Thread Tyssen Design
It's an image replacement technique. There's been quite a bit of discussion about different methods of this just the last day or two. On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:50:10 +1000, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok just browsing some websites during lunch break and i came across this:

Re: [WSG] query about h1 trend

2007-01-10 Thread Jermayn Parker
Yeah I thought it was but I thought I will just make sure. Thanks, now I must re-dig them up- lol [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/2007 1:17:14 pm It's an image replacement technique. There's been quite a bit of discussion about different methods of this just the last day or two. On Thu, 11 Jan

[WSG] Making sliding door tab navigation fit 100%

2007-01-10 Thread Skip Evans
Hey all, I'm new to the list, and am a PHP/MySQL programmer by trade, but recently finished reading Andy Budd's CSS Mastery, as I have been familiar with CSS for quite some time, but am now making a real effort to use CSS properly. I have implemented Budd's Sliding Door tabbed style

RE: [WSG] Making sliding door tab navigation fit 100%

2007-01-10 Thread Samuel Richardson
Can you point us towards an example page anywhere? -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Skip Evans Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 4:38 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Making sliding door tab navigation fit 100%

Re: [WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility

2007-01-10 Thread Bruce
Well said. I recently seen this for myself browsing through my own site. I had a menu of related links which didn't have the cue point of color for visited and didn't show the link to the page one was on, I found myself losing track of where I had been, and that was on my own site! So yes,