[WSG] Daniel Beckitt is out of the office.

2007-02-01 Thread daniel . b . beckitt
I will be out of the office starting 30/01/2007 and will not return until 06/02/2007. I will respond to your message when I return. Opinions contained in this e-mail do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Departmen

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/1/07, Noah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting how people today still either get Picasso or they don't. Says a lot about the timelessness of the work... Well, list-admin said we have to get back on topic, so I'm still wondering if Milosz will share his definition of "accessible." Othe

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Noah
Interesting how people today still either get Picasso or they don't. Says a lot about the timelessness of the work... Noah PerthWebDesigns.com Quoting Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: some of it makes sense (like self portraits etc) but a lot of his  sculptures and other stuf

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - ADMIN

2007-02-01 Thread russ - maxdesign
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Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Jermayn Parker
some of it makes sense (like self portraits etc) but a lot of his sculptures and other stuff doesnt, it went agaisnt the grain of normal painting etc of his era >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/02/2007 10:14:18 am >>> On 2/1/07, Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You look at people like Piac

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Tim
Picasso's art did make sense, that is why he is famous now. Simple lines. If Picasso were making webpages they would all be accessible. This comparison of genius with self indulgent art for arts sake is annoying. Tim On 02/02/2007, at 1:05 PM, Jermayn Parker wrote: You look at people like

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/1/07, Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You look at people like Piacoso and his art made no sense and it was popular and so are these types of website, make no sense but are popular (myspace another example) I have no idea what you are talking about. Picasso's art makes total sen

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Jermayn Parker
You look at people like Piacoso and his art made no sense and it was popular and so are these types of website, make no sense but are popular (myspace another example) >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/02/2007 9:56:49 am >>> Why would you want to create such an image gallery for navigation, no rollove

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Tim
Why would you want to create such an image gallery for navigation, no rollover titles, no idea where each link goes, uses a lot of images for a text based navigation system, maybe it is art but not much else. Tim On 02/02/2007, at 6:00 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Christian Montoya

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread JDR @ Home
- Original Message - From: jonnysoco To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;) http://jrgraphix.net/research/flash_dock.php Awesome! Thank you. Jeff **

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Oh yes. You can choose to have the icons bigger or smaller, and the animation on or off. And the animation relates to the size of the icons - smaller icons = smaller animation. You can also have them not visible at all until you put your cursor right at the bottom of the screen (or wherever the do

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Matthew Smith wrote: > Ah, that's what a Mac dock looks like; haven't seen a Mac for about > eight years. Eeeew! The animation nearly made me seasick ;-) Do Macs > have a means of turning the animation off for those (like me) who cannot > tolerate screen motion? Yes. And you can adjust the d

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth jonnysoco at 02/02/07 09:41... http://jrgraphix.net/research/flash_dock.php Ah, that's what a Mac dock looks like; haven't seen a Mac for about eight years. Eeeew! The animation nearly made me seasick ;-) Do Macs have a means of turning the animation off for those (like me) who cann

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread jonnysoco
http://jrgraphix.net/research/flash_dock.php On 2/1/07, Susie Gardner-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/2/07 5:00 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > At the bottom of this site: http://www.mandchou.com/ - there is an image > gallery in Flash used for navigation.

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
On 2/2/07 5:00 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > At the bottom of this site: http://www.mandchou.com/ - there is an image > gallery in Flash used for navigation. Can someone point me to a tutorial for > creating this? > > -- > Thanks! > > Jeff No idea but you might tr

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote: Christian in your opinion - those sites are inaccessible... without any argues I cannot agree so that's why I've asked... I define 'accessible' as "be given access". In normal terms that means that if one access-point is closed to particular visito

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Rob O'Rourke wrote: Accessibility is making a site available and usable to the widest possible audience, on as many user agents as possible. A lot of the sites you've picked are pure flash, while these can be made somewhat accessible (e.g. making the text sel

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread miden
Milosz - Your site's opening page took almost three minutes to load on a dialup connection... b'bye. I gave up trying to view sites after three successive 'you need flash' notices... b'bye. Judging by what I (finally) saw on your opening page I would guess that the listed pages are quite beautifu

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote: Christian in your opinion - those sites are inaccessible... without any argues I cannot agree so that's why I've asked... Accessibility is making a site available and usable to the widest possible audience, on as many user agents as possible. A

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer
Christian in your opinion - those sites are inaccessible... without any argues I cannot agree so that's why I've asked... Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Director IceAge Design Squadron Be our Ally, Hire our Guns...: www.iceagedesign.co.uk London Visit my PriveFolio: www.lodowski.eu - Be my G

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/1/07, Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you define "accessible" ? pure text ? Not fair. You picked these sites, so you have to define your criteria. The ball is in your court to answer that question. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. d

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread jdreid
Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/1/07, Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs, > > we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and choice ;) > > > > http://www.e-motionaldesig

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer
Duck ? Bob - I don't think so... There is a large difference between the word "design/designer" and "code/coder", designer and design are connected with the pure art with a support of usability - code - that's only accesibility... but of course - that's only my opinion... Best Wishes Milosz A

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer
How do you define "accessible" ? pure text ? Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Director IceAge Design Squadron Be our Ally, Hire our Guns...: www.iceagedesign.co.uk London Visit my PriveFolio: www.lodowski.eu - Be my Guest! Mobile contact: +44 079.23.388.905 (UK) Ice - e-Motional Design Expert

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Designer
Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote: I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs, we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and choice ;) http://www.e-motionaldesign.com/blog/100-the-best-e-motional-websites-part-1-of-4/ Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Di

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/1/07, Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs, we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and choice ;) http://www.e-motionaldesign.com/blog/100-the-best-e-motional-websites-part-1-of-4/ So, a bu

[WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-01 Thread Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer
I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs, we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and choice ;) http://www.e-motionaldesign.com/blog/100-the-best-e-motional-websites-part-1-of-4/ Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Director IceAge Design Squadron Be our Ally, Hire our

Re: [WSG] validator.w3.org broken?

2007-02-01 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
Thanks Mitch, it also appears that the body element must have a child node that is of an Element type. A "text node" won't suffice, and for that matter I can't think of a use-case whereby the body would contain just text. Thanks again. It will suffice with Transitional DTD. Regards, Rimantas -

Re: [WSG] validator.w3.org broken?

2007-02-01 Thread Serdar Kılıç
On 02/02/07, Mitchell Essex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Serdar, The problem is that the 'minimal document' is too minimal add a title within the head tag and something within the body then it should validate fine. The "errors": relate to the not finished Another possibility is that

Re: [WSG] validator.w3.org broken?

2007-02-01 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
I'm trying to understand why the w3 validator believe's the following minimal document is invalid: There are two "errors": 1. Line 5 column 6: end tag for "HEAD" which is not finished 2. Line 8 column 6: end tag for "BODY" which is not finished. That's not minimal document. This one is:

Re: [WSG] validator.w3.org broken?

2007-02-01 Thread Vladislav Gorodetskiy
Also, try http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd";> as a doctype 2007/2/1, Serdar Kılıç <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I'm trying to understand why the w3 validator believe's the following minimal document is invalid: There are two "errors": 1. Line 5 column 6: end tag for "HEAD" which is not fi

Re: [WSG] validator.w3.org broken?

2007-02-01 Thread Jens Brueckmann
Hi Serdar, the validator is right. 1. Line 5 column 6: end tag for "HEAD" which is not finished The HEAD element requires a TITLE element: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-HEAD 2. Line 8 column 6: end tag for "BODY" which is not finished. The BODY element requires BL

Re: [WSG] validator.w3.org broken?

2007-02-01 Thread Vladislav Gorodetskiy
your body and head tags are empty -- it's now valid obviously... 2007/2/1, Serdar Kılıç <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I'm trying to understand why the w3 validator believe's the following minimal document is invalid: There are two "errors": 1. Line 5 column 6: end tag for "HEAD" which is not f

RE: [WSG] validator.w3.org broken?

2007-02-01 Thread Mitchell Essex
Serdar, The problem is that the 'minimal document' is too minimal add a title within the head tag and something within the body then it should validate fine. The "errors": relate to the not finished Another possibility is that you used an element which requires a child element that

[WSG] validator.w3.org broken?

2007-02-01 Thread Serdar Kılıç
I'm trying to understand why the w3 validator believe's the following minimal document is invalid: There are two "errors": 1. Line 5 column 6: end tag for "HEAD" which is not finished 2. Line 8 column 6: end tag for "BODY" which is not finished. -- Cheers, Serdar Kilic http://weblog.kil

RE: [WSG] An event mentioned at the last meeting

2007-02-01 Thread barry
Hi Guys, It was my event - Search Summit. There will be an email going out about the WSG discount, but feel free in contacting me if you have any questions. Ricky, the reason i set up this business in the 1st place was that SER was such a shitty conference. Cheers Barry 0403 060 209 or 02