Re: [WSG] Accessibility Usability problems?

2006-06-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 6/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree - printed output is completely non-interactive. Links should display the full URL wherever possible, but there is no need to underline them. a:after { content: ( attr(href) ) ; }

Re: [WSG] LInks Multi-language

2006-06-30 Thread Matthew Pennell
You may find this article helpful:http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200604/indicating_language_choice_flags_text_both_neither/ **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for

Re: [WSG] LInks Multi-language

2006-06-30 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 6/30/06, Steve Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree - another option is to use small icons that are flags of the nationsassociated with the destiny languageBut (as per the link I posted above) languages are spoken in more than one country. The name of the language, in that language, is the

Re: [WSG] Embedded table hierarchy

2006-07-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 7/3/06, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Matthew - how about using the axis attribute?I've never used axis; I don't know what practical use it is for assistive technology. **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

[WSG] Design community in Cambridge?

2006-07-14 Thread Matthew Pennell
Apologies for the cross-posting to any other multi-listers, but I wanted a broad response.Is anyone aware of any web standards community setup type things in Cambridge (UK)? If there isn't one I'd like to set one up (along the lines of Newcastle New Media or the Refresh sites in the US) - I can't

Re: [WSG] Hungarian notation for JavaScript and ActionScript?

2006-07-21 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 7/21/06, Carl Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Hungarian notation should be avoided in any language, but is seems to me that it just becomes an extra annoyance with no added value in a typeless language like JavaScript. I'd tend to agree with the last bit - without the need to cast

Re: [WSG] manditory width required for floated form elements?

2006-07-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 7/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that you must declaire a width for floated block level elements (i.e. div, p, ul etc.) But is this the same for inline elements? You don't HAVE to declare a width for floated elements. A floated element with no width

Re: [WSG] Displaying page in different resolutions

2006-07-26 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 7/26/06, Audano, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to easily program a site to automatically determine the users resolution? Use Javascript to watch the window.onresize event and change things. I'd recommend changing a class on the BODY or HTML tag to deliver different styles

Re: [WSG] non system fonts - WebDesign

2006-07-29 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 7/29/06, Shlomi Asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All i need to design a webPage right now, that uses different kind of fonts. is there a way to integrate those fonts using CSS? or we use only system fonts in webDesign those fonts are like: Helvetica Condensed Bold;

Re: [WSG] one more quick question....

2006-07-31 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 7/30/06, Jason Witherspoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's considered the most standards-acceptable method for having jpegs switch out? To clarify: we want several album covers on the front page which will hold for x seconds, then switch to a different album cover, etc., on down through a

Re: [WSG] AJAX-The Buzz Word

2006-08-01 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/1/06, CK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been asked the AJAX buzzword several times, the frenzy has reached my doorstep. Would someone pass along some Standards steeped AJAX tutorials? There are no 'standards' AJAX tutorials as the XMLHttpRequest object is not part of any current standard

Re: [WSG] text-shadow

2006-08-02 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/2/06, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it meant we are close to using CSS3 soon? Not by a long shot, but there are some browsers (mostly Safari) that have implemented bits and pieces of it - they also support multiple background images, which will make everything so much easier

Re: [WSG] Hyperlinks - best practice

2006-08-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/3/06, Bojana Lalic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which of the following two is a better practice of including hyperlinks on pages: Better practice in which sense - just accessibility, or usability as well? From an accessibility pov, it is better to include the links inline; screenreaders

Re: [WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

2006-08-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/3/06, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just checking in Firefox with the LiveHTTPHeaders extension, it looks like FF downloads the print.css when the page is loaded, not when you hit print or print preview. I'll go out on a limb and say that this behaviour may well be common in

Re: [WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

2006-08-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/3/06, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While on the surface that looks like a good solution, you have to remember that by default browsers won't print any backgrounds (colors or images) so the image you set as a background in the print.css file may never get loaded. My guess would be

Re: [WSG] Custom Bullets

2006-08-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/8/06, Able Net Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried most of the examples on the web of setting a background image for li but still no luck? I've never had any trouble setting background images for LI: ul { list-style-type: none; } ul li { background: url(images/mybullet.gif)

Re: [WSG]

2006-08-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/8/06, nishak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but this code has some bug. Can anyone suggest me any thing else a) What is the error message you are getting? b) If you use single quotes in the document.write you won't need to escape the double-quotes c) Using PHP to generate the dynamic image

Re: [WSG] unsubscribe

2006-08-11 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/11/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether it's a joke or not it's highly irritating (both the unsubscribe messages and the lolling at it). It's making me wonder if it's actually worthwhile to be subscribed to this list at all. Funny, po-faced top-posting has the same

Re: [WSG] correct markup for frames? : was [target=_blank]

2006-08-15 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/15/06, Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AIUI the frameset page has the doctype (using the frameset DTD) and the framed pages have no doctype at all and are included in the frameset by using frame src=leftside.html so why can't you use target_ in the framed pages? I think the point

Re: [WSG] Equal height divs

2006-08-15 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/16/06, TuteC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again learning from your experience. I am trying to implement http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/ to a design where I need both (navigation and content) have the same height. You can also do this using Javascript:

Re: [WSG] Microsummaries, perhaps a reason to use XHTML?

2006-08-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/16/06, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How so? If you add the JavaScript with a script tag and in an own document all is fine. Inline JavaScript will have to be commented out with a ridiculous amount of CDATA comments but does work, too. I'm guessing he's referring to use of

Re: [WSG] A elements and psuedo-classes

2006-08-17 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/17/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember LoVeHA. Link, visited, hover, active. Or if you are using focus as well, it's L-V-F-H-A: Lord Vader's Former Handle Anakin. :) ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] search/replace source code

2006-08-21 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/21/06, Stuart Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to make this javascript unobtrusive. The code below kind of works but it doesn't know where to write the breadcrumbs. You want to do document.getElementById('content').innerHTML = output + pageTitle to put them where you want

Re: [WSG] PDF no chance to open in browser !?

2006-08-25 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 8/25/06, Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And anyone knows a way of doing that, myme type?! httpconfig?! .htaccess ?? I think you're out of luck - the configuration of what filetypes the browser can handle is specific to the end-user's machine, not something you can control from a webpage.

Re: [WSG] a href links not 100%

2006-09-05 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/5/06, James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what IE does, unfortunately, even when set to block. No way around it apart from some scripting maybe. To make an A tag fill the whole area of the element it is inside, set an explicit width or height (to give it hasLayout in IE) and

Re: [WSG] p:first-line

2006-09-05 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/5/06, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to use: #description p:first-line { margin-left : 3em; } If all you're trying to do is indent the first line of each paragraph, you don't need to use :first-line at all. #description p { text-indent: 3em; }

Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes

2006-09-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/6/06, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I've put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I

Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/7/06, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just followed that link from the google results to google's cached page. Doesn't look to me as if they are duplicating your page but rather linking to it and telling people what your site is about. Don't know about you, but

Re: [WSG] Help With My Website

2006-09-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/12/06, marvin hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. developing several websites. now need scripts to do the following: You seem to have posted this message to the wrong mailing list. This is for discussion of web standards - you want alt.iexpectyoutoworkforfree.discuss...

Re: [WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2

2006-09-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/13/06, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since IE 6.0 doesn't support min-width, you need to use (a CSS invalid) expression: You can also fake min-width without using invalid CSS: http://www.cssplay.co.uk/boxes/minwidth.html http://www.cssplay.co.uk/boxes/width.html

Re: [WSG] How to align images at the *bottom* with CSS?

2006-09-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/13/06, Antonio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a block with an smaller image inside. I'd liked to align the image at the *bottom* of the block... How can I do it with CSS? #block { position: relative; } #block img { position: absolute; bottom: 0; }

Re: [WSG] What version of IE should be build to

2006-09-21 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/21/06, Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IE7 handles transparent PNGs, and IE5.5 and 6 can use a proprietary filter to display them correctly. Issue with the filter is that it can't be applied to tiled background. Works fine on my site.

Re: [WSG] What version of IE should be build to

2006-09-21 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/21/06, Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither #header nor a#logo have *tiled* backgrounds. Sorry, thought you meant PNGs placed on top of a tiled background. *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Using real images for quotes in blockquote

2006-09-29 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/29/06, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/using_real_images_for_quotes_in_blockquotes.asp The first thought that occurs to me - couldn't this be done using :before and :after

Re: [WSG] Calling JS gurus

2006-10-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
innerHTML is good because it's quite a bit faster than DOM methods; if you don't need to manipulate the output further, there's nothing wrong with using innerHTML (IMHO; XHTML-fanatics may not agree). As to the article, I don't really understand what you're trying to do - doesn't cloneNode() do

Re: [WSG] looking for site-ot

2006-10-04 Thread Matthew Pennell
www.joshuaink.comHope you're not easily offended... ;) ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Bad Design Principles

2006-10-04 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 10/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.hansermusicgroup.comThoughts?But at least it all fits above the fold in 800x600! And we all know that's what matters... ;) ***List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Fonts and standards

2006-10-11 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 10/11/06, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a platform-independent standards way of embedding or selectingparticular fonts that your user may not have pre-installed? Or is itstill the Flash text replacement/graphic/most installed fonts mix? Afraid it's still the latter, although there is a

Re: [WSG] Sticky footer kinda sorta

2006-10-18 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 10/18/06, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in need of a footer that sticks to the bottom of the viewport, but whencontent runs deep, the footer is pushed down accordingly. http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143801

Re: [WSG] Real world font sizing

2006-11-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/3/06, Rob Kirton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do believe that somebody else (can't find source right now) suggested first scaling down to 76% and then resizing up. Not for ease of calculation, as per clagnut, but as a result of empirical tests which showed that this produced the most

Re: [WSG] Are we turning the tide?

2006-11-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/3/06, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how are we doing, does anybody know? I'd be very interested to seeeven rough figures on the percentage of standards andaccessibility-aware designers/developers compared to others. AdmittedlyI spend my time reading, writing and talking with other

Re: [WSG] We do not support the Safari browser yet

2006-11-10 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/9/06, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at its code, I do not understand why Safari browser is notsupported.Can someone enlighten me? Thanks!I believe Safari has some issues with certain _javascript_/Ajax implementations, maybe? Or maybe they only had earlier versions to test on

Re: [WSG] safari version of an IE underscore hack

2006-11-10 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/10/06, Bojana Lalic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a hack for safari that will enable the css to display ONLY in safari?#mydiv { width: 500px; /* for Safari */}/* all other browsers - Safari ignores rules with a hash/pound after the semi-colon */ #mydiv { width:

Re: [WSG] what's causing ie7 to ignore the valid div rules?

2006-11-21 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/22/06, Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in ie7 the valid div hangs over the container div. all other browsers that i can check render the div inside the container with a 1em margin. what do i need to do to fix this so ie7 will render properly? Code? Link? Telepathic mind-meld?

Re: [WSG] two-headed babies look OK

2006-11-22 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/22/06, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pages do not validate to W3C standards, 42 errors in the one I tried to validate, Ergo the age text is not all indexed by search engines! Validation != search visibility, nor vice-versa.

Re: [WSG] CSS/Web Design: Request for Assistance

2006-11-23 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/23/06, Timothy Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...join as a volunteer in the Restore the Republic movement... Only if I get my own Tie-Fighter... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] CSS/Web Design: Request for Assistance

2006-11-23 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/23/06, Timothy Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously...did you see the film? :) Watch it! Let me know what you think! No way - people get slapped down on this list for daring to discuss anything remotely non-standards, I'm not going to start a politics thread... ;)

Re: [WSG] ie dev tool for ie 6 standalone?

2006-11-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/24/06, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I got the IE 7 and IE6 standalone running, and is very upset to find the IE dev tool no longer working for IE 6 standalone. Is there a way I can make it work? Really need this tool for troubleshoot IE 6 layout problem. Related - IE7 came

Re: [WSG] ie dev tool for ie 6 standalone?

2006-11-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/24/06, Matthew Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no official IE6 standalone. There are no 'official' standalones of any version of IE; nevertheless they do exist. *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] ie dev tool for ie 6 standalone?

2006-11-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/24/06, Donna Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here you go: http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I'm running IE6, 5.5 and 5.1 as standalones and the main thing I was concerned about was that they read Conditional Comments correctly and it appears they do. That's fantastic, thanks!

Re: [WSG] Forms in XHTML 1.1

2006-11-25 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/25/06, Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget fieldset/fieldset -- it is, after all, designed to hold form elements. Almost - it is designed to group collections of form elements together, usually because they are related to aid comprehension of the form.

Re: [WSG] IE conditional comments not working

2006-11-26 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/26/06, Adam Burmister (DSL AK) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: !--[if IE lt 7] should be !--[if lt IE 7] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] a tag question

2006-11-29 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/29/06, Vaska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a funny situation where I need to use an obscure display: inline-block; rule. Of course, IE is wonky with it and I must use a tag that is naturally inline (p, div, won't cut it). It's hard to tell exactly what you're trying to do - do you

Re: [WSG] Fieldset but no legend

2006-11-29 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/29/06, Keryx webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was using http://dev.wave.webaim.org and it complained about my having a fieldset but no legend-element. A fieldset is for grouping related fields together, and its legend should describe the group of fields. If you are just using the

Re: [WSG] OT - maybe: quote or word of the day

2006-12-07 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/7/06, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am after a simple 'quote of the day' or 'word of the day' type thing for a client. Naturally, I want it to be xhtml compliant, and easily formatted by me. http://dictionary.reference.com/help/linking/wordoftheday-expert.html

Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups

2006-12-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/13/06, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know, is it possible to have XHTML 1.0 strict compliant pop-ups? If you want a way without Javascript, then no it isn't. This is within the spirit of web standards - why should you decide for the user where they want the page

Re: [WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues)

2006-12-21 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/20/06, Andrew Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Tell them that validating code will get higher search rankings, it doesn't matter if it's true or not Until you tell that to someone that knows what they're talking about, and then you look like an idiot. Valid code means the browser has

Re: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working

2006-12-30 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/30/06, Hrvoje Markovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On both http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm AND http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm I see a one character wide whitespace (bluespace because of the bg color) before every link, except the first one. Is

Re: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working

2006-12-31 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/30/06, Hrvoje Markovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On both http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm AND http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm I see a one character wide whitespace (bluespace because of the bg color) before every link, except the first one. Is

Re: [WSG] input type='image'

2007-01-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 1/8/07, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out what you can do with button - it's the forgotten form element :) Also more on button / here: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/push_my_button/ *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] website checker

2007-01-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 1/8/07, John 'Max' Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility

Re: [WSG] website checker

2007-01-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 1/8/07, John 'Max' Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N

Re: [WSG] ainput//a - how wrong?

2007-01-09 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 1/9/07, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moreover, just how evil would it be for me to simply wrap the buttons in as, and giving the CSS [a:hover input.button{cursor:pointer}]? Or, you could use JavaScript to apply mouseover/mouseout behaviour to the buttons to replace the broken

Re: [WSG] Using cursor:default; on the whole page but links

2007-01-10 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 1/10/07, Mihael Zadravec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one uses cursor:default; as a default property for body {}, on the whole page (links are cursor:pointer;)... Do you find that souch method is not good or it actualy does have any relevancy? What would be the point if it is the default

Re: [WSG] a structural markup question - revisit

2007-02-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 2/12/07, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My uncertainty is that, within a page, structurally, it really should have only one h1, h2 and so on within an ID selector. So having so many set of h2+p isn't structural. I guess you're getting that from the HTML spec, where it shows how to

Re: [WSG] Standards Compliant PHP Output

2007-02-14 Thread Matthew Pennell
If you're still having problems, you can comment on the original article, or email the author directly on the original article page: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/php_and_xml_sitting_in_a_tree/ Cheers, Matthew Pennell Managing Editor Digital Web Magazine On 2/14/07, CK [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WSG] layout - choices?

2007-02-23 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 2/22/07, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my (genuine) question is, is this really so wrong? So long as it's kept really simple, which way is easier to read in a screen reader? (Include the floated and hacked to death standards version as a third alternative too). It seems to me that