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Re: [WSG] background overlapping

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aaa yes that helps a lot, thanks for thatOn 11/3/06, Peter Asquith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/11/2006, at 4:17 PM, Germ wrote:
Im designing a website for my university design exhibition and it looks fine in IE (6 i think it is) but in firefox the bunch of links overlap the white content about 5 pixels and it just looks a bit tacky. as far as i can see the code looks ok. 
Because you've added a 5px margin at the top of the links div you'll need to subtract the 5px from the height of the div. The links CSS becomes:     
#links {	float: left;	width: 350px;
	height: 207px;	margin-top: 5px;	background: url(
http://www.curtinmovingon.com/images/Background.jpg);
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[WSG] background overlapping

[Germ]

HiIm designing a website for my university design exhibition and it looks fine in IE (6 i think it is) but in firefox the bunch of links overlap the white content about 5 pixels and it just looks a bit tacky. as far as i can see the code looks ok.
http://curtinmovingon.com/Exhibition/?p=9http://www.curtinmovingon.com/Style2.cssIm thinking the problem is the header bit sitting on top of the content divs. I tried placing a clear: both on the next div (container) but it didnt help...
Any help would be great. btw if you notice anything else, please let me knowThanks everyone-- JP2 Designshttp://www.jp2designs.com

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Re: [WSG] Max-width issues

[Germ]

I asked this question (or similar) just recently and so if you go through the back issues, you will find some discussion about it and hears the code that I used and it all works fine for me
width:_expression_((document.documentElement.offsetWidth
< 820)? "800px": "auto" );On 10/3/06, John 'Max' Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:Good Morning All,I am having a bit of a problem with the old 'max-width' issue in IE and
would like to know your thoughts on the subject.If I add this to my style sheet:#outer_wrapper {max-width: 800px; }Then I am fine in FF but not in IE - in IE the outer container just
keeps stretching with the browser window. So if I add the following,then all is well in all browsers BUT the code is no longer valid:* html div#outer_wrapper {width: 800px /* fallback value */;width:_expression_(((
document.compatMode &&document.compatMode=='CSS1Compat') ?document.documentElement.clientWidth :document.body.clientWidth) > 1000 ? "800px" : (((document.compatMode &&document.compatMode=='CSS1Compat'
) ?document.documentElement.clientWidth :document.body.clientWidth) < 570 ? "552px" : "99.7%"));}Is my syntax or something incorrect or is there just no way of addingthis fix without going 'invalid'?? Does the above code even belong in a
style sheet as it doesn't look like standard CSS to me. So you know, Iam a designer who is wholly self taught in XHTML/CSS/PHP so there arehuge gaps in my 'education' - I would therefore appreciate careful
handling. Having said that, the 10 years I spent in the military when Ishould have been at Art School does mean I am capable of taking it'straight' - I would just appreciate it if any derisory comments aboutmy code were followed by a helpful tip of how to put it right ;-)
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Re: [WSG] Site Review

[Germ]

hey
This may seem picky but is the whole list of countries listed at the bottom really that nessacary???


On 9/15/06, Samuel Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
















Well after a long six months (and almost 20 hours at work
since I started yesterday morning) we've finally relaunched our website,
would be much appreciated if you'll could cast your eye over it and tell
me what you think:

 

http://www.intrepidtravel.com/


 

Have tried to adhere to standards wherever possible but some
of the data we've got does not comply with UTF-8 and we have to write in some
encodings.

 

 

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Re: [WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2

[Germ]

hey thanks alot for thatI looked at the http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=MinWidth page but the code you gave me is definatly better and easier to add into the style sheet
Thanks alot to peoples help and comments and the links to the other pages about the quirks of IE etcOn 9/13/06, Kepler Gelotte <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> So dumb question...> does that go in the style sheet? I ask because I added it and it didnt
work. also the code below goes on one line right? Sorry I had a typo. It should be:#container {min-width: 800px;width:_expression_((document.documentElement.offsetWidth < 820)?
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Re: [WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2

[Germ]

So dumb question...does that go in the style sheet? I ask because I added it and it didnt work. also the code below goes on one line right?  
Since IE 6.0 doesn't support min-width, you need to use (a CSS invalid)_expression_:min-width: 800px;width: width:_expression_((document.documentElement.offsetWidth <820)? "800px": "auto" );
I have a feeling that it was something silly like a missing > tag or somethingThanks peoples

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Re: [WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2

[Germ]

Germ wrote:> Ok now its my turn to grib about Internet Explorer
> ...> PS: Is there an online petition to ban IE??This list is not for IE bashing.  We're all aware of the fact that IEhas some serious limitations and many of us have to deal with themeveryday.  However, venting your frustration publicly and using subjects
like "I Hate Internet Explorer" or "Internet Explorer I Hate You!" isn'tthe most constructive way to deal with your problems.ok im sorry if i have trodden on some peoples toes by my comments
> underneath the menu bar I get a blue bar that should not be there
That's because of the way IE incorrectly handles 'height'.  Iteffectively treats it like 'min-height' and because the list itemswithin the ul end up being higher than the height specified for the ul,the ul gets stretched.  You need to make sure the total height of the
list items (including 'height', 'line-height', 'padding', etc.) does notexceed that of the ul.I got this problem working. What the problem was is that I had the background-image: url (imagename); but when dropping the '-image' bit and adding an 'repeat x' it fixed the problem
however im still stuck on the other two problems

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[WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2

[Germ]

Ok now its my turn to grib about Internet ExplorerIm redesigning my webpage (http://www.jp2designs.com) and i have three problems with Internet explorer that work fine in mozilla firefox.
the style sheet location is at: http://www.jp2designs.com/Style.cssONE: I have a min width but it doesnt work in explorer so the right flash file drops down when its minimised.
TWO: underneath the menu bar I get a blue bar that should not be thereTHREE: when you click on the "news" tab you go to the news page and the "about" and "news" links are squashed together. Im thinking it may be due to teh blog style sheet as i have had some trouble with it and am still 'trying' to clean it up (
http://www.jp2designs.com/Blog.css)Thanks for your helpPS: Is there an online petition to ban IE?? -- JP2 Designs
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Re: [WSG] XHTML X-Browser Standard for MP3

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its working on my firefox 1.5.0.6On 9/5/06, Sarah Peeke (XERT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:Hi all,I have designed a site for some friends at:<
http://www.freefalljazz.com/>which has a sampler mp3 embedded on the homepage (bottom left).Apparently it's not working in FF WIN or IE6 WIN.I've tried to follow some sort of standard as per:
Here is the code I've used:width="180" height="25">
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Re: [WSG] help with divs

[Germ]

Thanks to Gasper and L. J  Lacey for your helpI have it fixed and now I can get onto my other problems...Thanks againOn 8/30/06, L-J Lacey
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi, I think it's cause you're not clearing your
floats.  If you're not sure about clearing floats thisis a good place to start from:http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
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[WSG] help with divs

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helloim creating a website and ive encountered a few problems...http://www.germworks.net/signmakers/the problem I have is that I cannot get the container or wrapper div to wrap around all of the other div tags like the title, content and the right tags...
I am thinking it is because they are floated but im not 100% sure.I am wanting the edges to stripped but teh rest just plain white with some shadding in the div tags. see image if you know hat i mean (
http://www.germworks.net/signmakers/signmakers-prototype1.jpg)Any help or suggetions on better ways would be greatly appretiated.Thanks in advance-- JP2 Designs
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Re: [WSG] Active link bug

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It wouldnt be the a: visted preferences by any chance would it???On 8/16/06, John S. Britsios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:There seems to be a minor bug with the active link highlighting on our
web site: http://www.webnauts.net.If I click on "blog", "directory" or "forum", and then use the "back"button in my browser to go back to "Home",
it still highlights the link that I clicked on to get there.Can someone help me out? I really cannot see whats wrong there.Thanks a lot for your kind support in advance,John--John S. Britsios
Web Architect & Marketing ConsultantWebnauts Net (Main Office)Koblenzer Str. 37AD-33613 BielefeldWebnauts Net (U.S. Office)5 Ivanhoe DriveUrbana IL 61802Email: 
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Re: [WSG] tabs (was target=_blank)

[Germ]

No its what I have observed...I start to tell them about tabs and they then tell me that they already know about them and that everyone at work etc is already using them etc. One of the people is my brother and he is dumb!
On 8/15/06, Rachel May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:














"but i think almost
every tab browser user would use the tabs." 

 

Are you guessing or is this what you have observed?  

 

When watching other people use computers - which I try to do whenever I
get a chance - I have yet to see anyone except for the most web savvy use tabs.
 And these are people who are using Firefox, and one friend using IE7,
every day. 

 

Maybe I just have a lot of dumb friends, family and colleagues… I
dunno… but they just prefer to open the links in new windows, or can't
be bothered doing the whole tab thing.  When I open tabs in front of them
they joke cause I'm their 'computer nut web geek friend' LOL!

 

No doubt this will change over time, but IMHO I feel it is too early to
assume that everyone who can uses tabbed browsing. And I guess there will be some
people who will always prefer not to.

 









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target=_blank)



 

I think you are not
giving much credit to the average user hear...
I have talked to a few normal web users and the ones who use firefox and other
tab browsers all use tabs

I agree that you cannot assume most people use tab browsers as the majority
still use IE (stats back this up) but i think almost every tab browser user
would use the tabs. 





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May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From my observations, it is only REALLY web
savvy people that use tabs. As brilliant and useful as they are, it is still
too new to assume *most* people
use them, and that *most* people
can manage how the links open.

 

 










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Re: [WSG] target=_blank

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If it takes forever to load then that is what is wrong with itA lot of people still use dail up and I am one of them :(On 8/15/06, Focas, Grant
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What's wrong with lightbox?http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox2/It looks great but it takes for ever to load unless you have broadband
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Re: [WSG] tabs (was target=_blank)

[Germ]

I think you are not giving much credit to the average user hear...I have talked to a few normal web users and the ones who use firefox and other tab browsers all use tabsI agree that you cannot assume most people use tab browsers as the majority still use IE (stats back this up) but i think almost every tab browser user would use the tabs.
On 8/15/06, Rachel May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:















From my observations, it is only REALLY
web savvy people that use tabs. As brilliant and useful as they are, it is
still too new to assume *most* people
use them, and that *most* people
can manage how the links open.

 

 

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Re: [WSG] Hyperlinks - best practice

[Germ]

I personally prefer the links in the paragraph, I would also think that this would probably mean less for the screen readers to read as well.On 8/3/06, 
Bojana Lalic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
















Hi all

 

Which of the following two is a better practice of including hyperlinks
on pages:

 

Including hyperlinks in the paragraphs:

 

Eg. 

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer 
adipiscing elit. Vivamus nisl lorem, 
ullamcorper vitae, interdum et, venenatis at, pede. Vivamus
risus nunc, varius eu, dictum fermentum, rutrum a, massa.

 

OR

 

Displaying a list at the end of the paragraph:

 

Eg.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus nisl
lorem, ullamcorper vitae, interdum et, venenatis at, pede. Vivamus risus nunc,
varius eu, dictum fermentum, rutrum a, massa.

 

Dolor

Adipiscing

Vivamus

Ullamcorper

fermentum

 

Some of my colleagues are worried about the way screen readers read
links, and they would like me to point them to a resource that gives a
definitive answer… if there is such thing. 

 

Regards

 

Bojana

 




	
	
		
			

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Re: [WSG] one more quick question....

[Germ]

On one of my websites (http://www.germworks.net/afl) I have used a _javascript_ image slideshow.On 7/31/06, 
Matthew Pennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/30/06, Jason Witherspoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> What's considered the most standards-acceptable method for having> jpegs switch out?  To clarify: we want several album covers on the
> front page which will hold for x seconds, then switch to a different> album cover, etc., on down through a list of album cover images.>> I'm guessing php, but I keep be surprised by what css can do on its
> own, & I really don't know squat about the DOM at this pointCSS can't do that - you would need to use _javascript_. Google forsomething like "_javascript_ slideshow".**
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Re: [WSG] Standards Table Layout

[Germ]

Just tell the client that you will do your job and he can do his own job. 
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Re: [WSG] Can i have overlapping Textbox in html

[Germ]

Hithis sounds like a great idea.when you have finished it and its working, can you please post it or email me OL as I would be interested in it.ThanksOn 7/20/06, 
nishak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
















 

Hi All,

 

I m making a Hindi keyboard. Which will convert the
English keyboard letters in to Hindi (in textbox). But when I type letters I
can see English letter getting converted to Hindi. 

What I want is not to show English letter on textbox
(not even for a fraction of section). 

I wanted to know if I can use multiple overlapping
textbox for this. 

 

 

 Any new
suggestion??

 

 

Regards,

Nisha







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Re: [WSG] Form check

[Germ]

Im going to agree with these two...I have filled out some forms before that were just as long but on seperate pages and they also had a progress bar on the bottom telling the user how far into it had they been and how far to go.
It does look nifty thoughOn 7/18/06, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I need to agree with David re:http://www.stthomasaquinasacademy.org/employment.mgiPlease please please consider breaking this form into multiple pages.
You can post the results of each page to the next and display what hasbeen completed already below the current section. The gradient andlegends are "nice" and I could sit here and oggle over little
graphical effects, but all of that is moot to usability here. I wouldalso suggest providing more separation between different sections.Christian Montoyachristianmontoya.com
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Re: [WSG] site check and code review

[Germ]

I disagre with you.Yes content is the most important but graphics is not that far behind.Alot of people are drawned in by the look among other things like being a known name and content etc. I do not know about you but I always judge the book by its cover first.
I wonder if there are any stats or so on this type of thing.btw yes one in three people are visualy impaired but that doesnt mean that we all are blind and cannot see graphics
On 7/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Germ wrote:> Hey my 2c> Its a bit boring for my likeing> The banner is a bit bland and the webpage itself is just information.> What about graphics? The banner is just a school of fish. Maybe a
> collage or something would be nice. The code may be correct and web> standard but what if it is boring? Does it still make it a succesful> website?? I personally think that a website needs to be web standard but
> also eye catching. the trick is to find the balance.hi,one usually sees schools of fish on a dive.  some designers forget thatthe web is the "information" super highway.  i believe that most users
of the internet are looking for information.  granted graphics canpresent a degree of information, but what good are informationalgraphics if you're blind?  i also think that too many graphics and toolittle content makes a page useless and inaccessible from the stand
point of providing useful information to a visitor, especially thosewith disabilities.i think the balance between graphics, or presentation, and content,information is well done.  i think the design is clean and very
professional looking.you go elle, keep up the good work.  does the design stay together at800x600?  i know that a majority of internet users don't view pages atthis resolution these days, but i know a few people that still do; and
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Re: [WSG] site check and code review

[Germ]

Hey my 2cIts a bit boring for my likeingThe banner is a bit bland and the webpage itself is just information. What about graphics? The banner is just a school of fish. Maybe a collage or something would be nice. The code may be correct and web standard but what if it is boring? Does it still make it a succesful website?? I personally think that a website needs to be web standard but also eye catching. the trick is to find the balance.
On 7/15/06, Elle Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,I wanted to ask for a site check and code review please.Any suggestions for maybe writing the code different or maybe better are welcome.page: 
http:waznelle.com/td/css: http://waznelle.com/td/css/base.css
I also have a couple of problems with the page.The layout is supposed to be 3 columns: 160px, 420px, 160px with 10px margin between them for a total of 760px.My problems are as follows:
1. unless I declare * {margin:0; padding: 0;} many objects do not fit in the layout and get pushed down. Now, I tried to limit my paddings and margins so I don't know where they come from.Also, in IE5/win and IE6/win my #sidecol gets pushed below as well even though (I think anyway) it should have enough space.
2. My blockquote area, I pushed it out of its nesting div#maincol and IE5 and IE6 do not show what's out of the div area.3. One last thing, I wanted to control my main image in CSS so I could replace it in every page using my CSS document. But as a result, I think it loads very slow. Would you think so too? and if so, any ideas?
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Re: [WSG] Validation Tool

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I personally just use the extension on firefoxOn 7/13/06, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gday all,Anyone seen or used this before? Has it proven helpful?Total Validator: http://www.totalvalidator.com/Kat**
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Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons

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I really do not see you guys sorting this out and im starting to get sick and tired of your squabblingso can you please take it off list

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Re: [WSG] Is it accessible?

[Germ]

I just recently got a design from a client that included the menu as the footer with a menu up near the top. I told him just to simply redesign it...On 7/12/06, 
Ryan Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:













You see many web sites now that have a navigation in the top
that is graphic based or flash based, but also have the text alternative in the
footer.  You have a stylized header in graphic form, and you have the text at
the bottom.  Is this considered accessible?  Maybe not the best practice I know,
but just wondering how many rules I'm breaking if I do it.

 

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Re: [WSG] css validation error

[Germ]

 i personally type my background image info like this in the style sheetbackground-image: url(button.jpg);On 7/11/06, Shlomi Asaf
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:i hope this post belongs here, forgive me if was wrong

 
i recive this validation erorr for this line:
 
   background:url('../Images/redBullet.gif') no-repeat left 5px;
Invalid number : background Too many values or values are not recognized : 
url('../Images/redBullet.gif') no-repeat left 5px
 
why did i recived this error?
where else should i write properties left & top?
 
 
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Re: [WSG] help needed with position of text links

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Hey thanks for thatThe problem was really bugging me On 7/11/06, Scott Swabey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:Modify your #navigation a styles like:#navigation a {color: #FFF;
background-image: url(button.jpg);font-size: 1.3em;font-weight: normal;font-family: Times New Roman;text-decoration: none;display: block;margin: 1px;padding 1px;Padding-right: 10px /* add required padding to right side */
text-align: right;height: 35px;width: 140px; /* reduce width by width of padding-right */border: 0px;line-height: 2em; /* add a line height to center the text vertically */}RegardsScott Swabey
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[WSG] help needed with position of text links

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HiI dont know if the subject title is descripted properly as I couldnt really come up with a good namebut anyway the problem:http://www.blazedesigns.com
the links are too close to the side of the border of the divs. I want the image sitting next to the right hand side and the text but not the text also sitting on the edge. I also wouldnt mind having the text middled (vertically) in the image as well. I have tried placing a   tag thingy on the right. but i was wondering if there was another better css way???
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Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of

[Germ]

its just for a flash file which will act as the banner for the top of the webpagethanks for links and helpI will look forward to hear the long answer ;)On 7/10/06, 
Ben Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know this may sound stupid and dumb but is there a tag or something that> you would use instead of an  Just asking as it comes up as a> warning when I valiadate a page im coding at the moment.
Short answer is  http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.htmlLonger answer to follow on the list, no doubt :) It does depend a bit
on what you are using it for.cheers,Ben- --- The future has arrived; it's just not--- evenly distributed. - William Gibson
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[WSG] Re: what do you use instead of

[Germ]

Hi allsorry about the first empty email. key board got stuck and it sent instead of tabbing I know this may sound stupid and dumb but is there a tag or something that you would use instead of an  Just asking as it comes up as a warning when I valiadate a page im coding at the moment.
Also when i tried putting the  tags on either side so that it was a link, it didnt work. any special reason??Thanks in advance-- JP2 Designs
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Re: [WSG] html validation: exactly what is it good for?

[Germ]

I am not...I didnt even know about the other list (i may join now)On 7/6/06, Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:On 7/5/06 10:53 PM "Lachlan Hunt" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:> Please don't multi-post, there was no need for you to ask this question> on www-html as well, nor anywhere else.> 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2006Jul/0017Why? Is everybody automatically on both lists?I think not.Rick**
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Re: [WSG] html validation: exactly what is it good for?

[Germ]

Its a good question thoughI personally think its got more to do with the fact to set up some standards in this industry that is getting over taken by weekend warriors. and maybe this is an attempt to get rid of them (which im not complaining about). Design in Australia and some other nations is the one profession were you do not need any training or a certifacte to practise it. In alot of countries, you need that bit of paper
Other factors like selling points, easier to update etc also helpmy 2cOn 7/6/06, Shlomi Asaf <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi
I have a question that crossed my mind, and i wish to get help from you guys: HTML Validation- what is it good for?
I try to find the disadvantages of a non validated site against one validated, and let me try to explain what i mean.
 
If i build a website, according to his declaration - let say Strict XHTML, and its answering all the roles of Strict Xhtml, but its not valid cause, for example, i haven't used "" to surround values, or i haven't closed single tags using Slash (< />), but other wise i did everything by the scheme.

 

What can be the damage?
If i open the site and see that it works on my target browsers, why i need the validation for? what do i benefit from it?
It says it helps me improve my SEO, but i see all the first results at Google, for lets say "Forex" keyword, and none of them are valid.
 
I assume the main price is time rendering cost, but what can be else?
 
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Re: [WSG] email stripping out the css from tables?

[Germ]

That is really nice of you...I may take up that offer soon as I have a few clients who are wanting the email facilitiesOn 7/3/06, Steve Green
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Ordinarily I would offer to test the email for you and 
help fix it (free of charge) but I am up to my backside in alligators this week 
- hence I'm working at 1am on Sunday night! I would be happy to do this in the 
future if anyone has a similar problem.
 

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Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

[Germ]

png8i also thought it wuld be bifty n be good for my pride if it was possible, think i will just stick to graphics and code...On 6/15/06, 
Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Germ wrote:> Im starting a web and graphics company with my mate and he has given me the> first prototype/ screnshot for our webpage and he has this triangle> which Im curious if i can code it or would I have to use a graphic???
You should probably just use an image image, as the box model onlysupports square boxes.  There are some neat tricks using borders tocreate angles that you could try, but the technique is fairly limited
unless you add a lot of extraneous divs, but then that makes it quitecomplicated.div { width: 0; border-bottom: 6em solid green; border-left: 6em solid transparent; border-right: 6em solid transparent;
}> I dont really want to use graphics as code is faster to upload etcWhile that's generally true, graphics can be quite small if you use anappropriate format.  If it's just solid colour(s) (which is all that can
be achieved using the above technique) then saving it as PNG8 shouldgive you an image around 2-3KB or less.--Lachlan Hunthttp://lachy.id.au/


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Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

[Germ]

I'd suggest a graphic - a GIF for the triangular piece wouldn't need to be more than a few hundred bytes.
OK cool, I will do that then. I just thought if we can do rounded corners and all this other fancy stuff why not be able to do triangles etc
Before starting a starting a web and graphics company spend 1 - 2 years getting a little experiance.Its hard to get experience and so ive figered that the best way is to just go out and get some and earn some money at the same time.
 I have asked several people on clues, tips and charging etcThanks for your help

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[WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

[Germ]

HelloIm sorry if this question may seem silly or strange, so if it does please humour meIm starting a web and graphics company with my mate and he has given me the first prototype/ screnshot for our webpage and he has this triangle which Im curious if i can code it or would I have to use a graphic??? I dont really want to use graphics as code is faster to upload etc
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Re: [WSG] Caret problem with HTML/CSS/Javascript menus

[Germ]

HiAny chance of an exampleThanksOn 6/7/06, Ned Collyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Prefix: Does anyone have an elegant solution for this input caret problem?I have a basic CSS dropdown menu (nested UL's).  Works a treat, I've
built a heap of them.However, when I have the menus go over the TOP of an input text fieldthat has focus, the caret displays through the menu.I have tried this with the brothercake UDM4 menu and it has the same problem.
I even tried putting a z-index'd iframe over the offending input textfield... and the caret STILL shows thru the iframe tho the inputitself is obscured.So, what I've currently done is write some _javascript_ that will
capture the current focus'd element, blur it when the menu is active,then unblur when the menu is inactive.This works great (and it should after the page of event bubble handling code).The only problem is if the menu is activated while an input has focus
that is BELOW the page scroll.  Setting focus will scroll the page,which makes the menu hard to use (ie, mouseover/mouseout and itscrolls off the screen).Does anyone have an elegant solution for this input caret problem?
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Re: [WSG] Web-safe Colour Palette

[Germ]

just test, test, test and test on as many computers as possible and you should be okOn 6/6/06, Patrick Lauke <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Joshua Street> On 6/6/06, Patrick Lauke <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > avoid that a foreground and background colour resolves to> > the exact same safe colour.>> And, obviously, if this is happening there's probably already enough
> wrong with your design's contrast that safe colours should be the> least of your concerns. Or did I miss something?No, you didn't miss anything...a valid point. To recap then:- you can ignore web safe colours, unless you know for a fact that
a large part of your audience still uses 256 colours- in most cases, you're free to choose any colours you want (knowingthat they may display slightly differently on a display with a lowerbit depth)
- you should test that your chosen colours don't resolve to the samecolour on the limited palette; in general, you should not have a problemhere if your colour choices have enough contrast:)P
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Re: [WSG] Compromising markup for performance

[Germ]

I personally think you have to find the balance and how you do that I think also is different to each single person

BUT I think you need standards and to much as possible, you need to
follow them but there will always be an example were you may have to
break one for the bigger good.
On 5/29/06, Peter Ottery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So we know that some really big sites have some awful markup right?View source on amazon, gmail or google calendar and you'll find thingslike iframes and inline css & js. stuff likestyle="overflow: hidden; white-space: nowrap; float: left"class="cornerBookmarks"> etc etcThe thing is, their stuff renders really quickly. even on a slow modemconnection, gmail is really quite snappy and usable. ie: in some
instances, I am sure this is not lazy programming. I know from 1sthand experience & reading [1] that there are actual, real, performancebenefits with inlining styles and js.Obviously it makes us sick to see markup like that but at the end of
the day (and if you're a 'moderate' standards enthusiast like me asopposed to an 'extremist' one) if there's a commercial or user benefitin breaking some rules - its not surprising how these decisions getmade. I get the feeling not everyone knows this though and just pans
(criticises) big companies & sites without knowing how they came upwith that result.It may be useful to hear of some experiences where your own markup hasbeen compromised for performance. For someone learning this stuff from
scratch i think this can be useful to know why some sites are doingthis - and what they should follow or avoid for their own projects.as an aside, i think it'll be really interesting to see how Dougworking for Google [2] will effect their markup.
cheers, pete[1] - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0735713243/[2] - http://stopdesign.com/log/2006/05/27/going-to-google.html
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Re: [WSG] Random Quote/Picture

[Germ]

Look on this page http://www.germworks.net/Web.htmland the js code is http://www.germworks.net/random_site.js
and the code for the webpage is:<script src=
"random_site.js" type="text/_javascript_">script>
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Sorry, I fail to see that JS and any
randomating pictures/text

 



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Quote/Picture



 

on my website (
www.germworks.net) i have _javascript_ which
randomly loads image and text every time its reloads or loads






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wrote:

David Moyle wrote:
> Trying to find out how to make a script

Server-side or client-side script?  If server-side, that's off topic
for
this list.

> load a random text line/lines and or  picture (as a 2nd option)
each time 
> the page is loaded.

Like this?
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/betterrotator/

You should be able to modify it to output any content you like. 

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Re: [WSG] Random Quote/Picture

[Germ]

on my website (www.germworks.net) i have _javascript_ which randomly loads image and text every time its reloads or loadsOn 5/24/06, 
Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David Moyle wrote:> Trying to find out how to make a scriptServer-side or client-side script?  If server-side, that's off topic forthis list.> load a random text line/lines and or  picture (as a 2nd option) each time
> the page is loaded.Like this?http://www.alistapart.com/articles/betterrotator/You should be able to modify it to output any content you like.
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Re: [WSG] XHTML/CSS - Remaining Space

[Germ]

HeyOk can i now ask a question in regard to your check list???can you tell me how you would solve the problem of not useing the  tags and solve it by using css???is this a blank div tag or is there someother solution???
 
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Re: [WSG] XHTML/CSS - Remaining Space

[Germ]

While the other guys are looking at the code, i will look at the interface in itself...I personally hate yellow, so yicky and yucky. I hardly ever use that side of teh colour spectrum but I guess its the companies colour scheme. I looked at the website in a resolution of 1280x 1024 and its fine but when looking in 1024x768 the menu bar on the side and title on top cover most of the screen size and while you have no side bars you do not have much room for information. You need to remember that most common viewers view webpages in lower resolutions than us web geeks. You do not want them to scroll too much. You have to spoon feed your viewers in almost everything.
SImple and effective layout though which is good. I personaly like uncluttered sites.On 5/20/06, David Moyle <
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Hey all, and special hello to the fellow Aussies!

 

On the following website:

http://www.tinkahill.com/pdt/voila


 

I've made the jump to using XHTML and CSS.

 

All is going well so far apart from one problem. The top
yellow bar height is set at 203px, the bottom two sections (blue and black) are
set to a height of 100%, which back in HTML and  tables as we all know means
take up all space available.

This is working, but not. Its taking up a size of 100% of
the available browser window, so its using that plus 203px.

 

Any way around this, I want the colours to use the full
available space. I know the blue bar should be set to use a defined size rather
the percentage but then I'll have the same problem as I do vertically..

 

Apparently theres a complicated method around this, so
either someone will give me a simple answer or the long complicated method.

 

This is my first website using XHTML and CSS if anyone
would like to suggest anything to help me with my code or the whole website
please go ahead!

 

Thanks, David Moyle



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Re: [WSG] "Tables - you can still use them in web design" article

[Germ]

Since you seem to say you think a page (ie a layout ?) should not bemade out of tables and for some information, tables should be used, I
don't see why anyone would be wanting to shoot you.Some people can get pretty fired up when it comes to the arguement about css versus tables. I actually got taughted by an old school person (tables, frames etc) and so i had to go through the pain of relearning myself. He is old school to this day...

Re: [WSG] "Tables - you can still use them in web design" article

[Germ]

I think that a page should not be made out of tables - yuck!but if there is a bit of information that needs to be displayed, i personally dont see a problem in using tables (only if nessacary)
please dont shoot me as this is only my opinion and until someone can show me why it should be changed, it will stay.css is alot easier to use (most of the time) and modify tho and has alot more benefits than tables
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I know there are plenty of these articles but unfortunately I gotdrawn into this one (possibly as it was in my Netregistry newsletter!):--
http://www.netregistry.com.au/news/articles/79/1"Scarcely a week goes by without a post in a web design forumsomewhere on the lines of .."how do I do this in css" or "..how do I
replace this table with css". CSS purists all over the web have beenpromoting the idea that tables are bad for so long now that somepeople think they're breaking the law or worse if they use a 
tag in their website.Well, I've got news for them - you are still allowed to use tables!"--The fact that I do not spend my time preaching some kind of righteous
path is probably the reason why it irritates me when I see an articlelike this that is simply informing poorly.I attempted to comment on it but the comment submission mangled myparagraphs so for the record it should be more like this:
--"I fully agree that there are people who get confused as to whethertables are "allowed" in CSS driven web development. Even though the
same answer has been repeated many times, I even see people askinghow to display tabular data without using tables!This suggests that either the messages coming from CSS "purists" (nota term that I like particularly) are being misinterpreted or that
some designer/developers are not taking the time to properlyunderstand HTML and CSS. I think your article aims to give someperspective on the issue however I find it a bit dissatisfying.A look at the actual HTML specs (I choose HTML 
4.01) gives a simpleenough explanation for anyone:"The HTML table model allows authors to arrange data -- text,preformatted text, images, links, forms, form fields, other tables,etc. -- into rows and columns of cells."
"Tables should not be used purely as a means to layout documentcontent as this may present problems when rendering to non-visualmedia. Additionally, when used with graphics, these tables may force
users to scroll horizontally to view a table designed on a systemwith a larger display. To minimize these problems, authors should usestyle sheets to control layout rather than tables."
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.htmlYou say:"Tabular data is surely data in which there is a unique relationshipbetween one set of data and another e.g. all the data on one rowrefers to a particular product."
You are not giving a clear explanation here as you seem to ignore thecolumns which are the key element of tables. In simple terms; if youneed to look across and down or vice-versa then you have tabular
data. So in your example "data might be something like a productpicture, description, price" then yes you could display the productlist as a table with each row being a specific product/item and thecolumns being description, price, etc.
You are also not mentioning the semantic purpose of HTML. Using atable is marking up the data in a way that says "this is tabularinformation" in just the same way that the p and h1/2/3/etc tags are
saying this is a paragraph and these are headers respectively.In using a table for layout you are, in effect, saying thisleftcolumn, centrecolumn, rightcolumn are a row of data with a"unique relationship" of which each column is a specific attribute of
that data. In reality these columns will contain all kinds of contentfrom navigation to articles to featured content which even thoughthey exist in the same row bear no relation to one another at all. Iwill not even bother to go into what relevance this has with regards
to accessibility for small screens, screen readers, etc.Now I'm not an academic developer/designer, I generally work forsmall businesses for whom most of the above is entirely academic.However they are employing and trusting me to make those kind of
decisions for them. If you are only just making a transition fromtable based development to CSS based development then my advice wouldbe to do what is appropriate for your skill level, timeframe andconfidence. The point is not to say "the world is full of things
which were originally designed for one purpose, but which peoplefound could be used for an entirely different purpose." but to aim tolearn and use the most appropriate tools for the application."
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Re: [WSG] Opinion on colors

[Germ]

any chance of a bit more colour??it just looks a bit bland to me.I like the style and layout thoOn 5/12/06, Minh D. Tran <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi,     My personal website at 
www.m-tran.net was getting boring so I decided to mock up a new layout and wanted to get your opinion on it (colors, flow, layout, etc.). The new design is located 
http://web01.ipowerweb.com/~mdtdesig/new/ . Any feedbacks (positive or negative is more than welcome.
     Thanks,  Minh
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Re: [WSG] Column height issue

[Germ]

I used this tutorial to get mine to work.http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0816.htmOn 5/11/06, 
Jonathan Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've got a simple fixed-width two-column layout, with a footer. I needto the two columns to span the height of the viewport regardless oftheir content, but also grow when their contents exceed the viewport'sheight. I also need the footer to always be at the bottom of the page
regardless of the height of the content.Here's the test page I setup with a basic example of what I'm doing:http://www.1ofnull.com/Test.htmEvery article I found on this subject didn't seem to help me, or I
didn't fully understand how to apply it to my situation. If anyone couldgive me some advice I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks a lot.Jonathan**
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Re: [WSG] IE Hell

[Germ]

Im not going to try and atempt to answer the problem as im not that talented but I have seen this similar problem a few times.I am doing an uni assignment on the new updated wembley stadium (
http://www.wembleystadium.com) and they have the similar problem but with thje menu on the side instead.On 5/11/06, Darren Wood <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hello fine people,I've been stuggling with an IE issue for several weeks.  I'm unable to
resolve it.  The page in question is:http://www.golfgods.com/item/11_06WCLCT.html#accessories**
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Re: [WSG] frames for HTML

[Germ]

You are probably better of to use div tags insteadnoone uses frames anymore a sthey are no good for searching via google and also wen linking to a page among many other reasons why you should not use them
On 5/4/06, Dewi Rosza Suryani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I want to create a website with three frames by using Dreamweaver 8.  However, when I validated with W3C validator, it failed validation.  Is there anyone who has experience how to make a standard website using frames?
Regards,Rosza
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Re: [WSG] Pixel to Em conversion.

[Germ]

Im one of the ppl tat still have a 56k modem. Its impossible for me to get broadband were I live and tat is in Perth Oz, let alone in the country areas.On 4/27/06, 
Mark Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Germ wrote:
> take too long to load for ppl with a slow modem among other reasons why you> wouldnt do that>>meh. Just tell them to upgradeAnd don't forget the "Best Viewed In" graphic and all your "Site of the
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Re: [WSG] Pixel to Em conversion.

[Germ]

take too long to load for ppl with a slow modem among other reasons why you wouldnt do thatOn 4/27/06, Herrod, Lisa <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>-Original Message-
>From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]>Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:>> Back in the olden days of table layouts, you'd have the>right col (td)
>> at 220px, and the rest at 100%!>>Actually, you wouldn't. You'd have the *table* set to 100%,>and the left>column to 220px.>>-->Patrick H. LaukeSurely you'd just insert the concept design as one big  and ensure the
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Re: [WSG] Pixel to Em conversion.

[Germ]

I think I understand what you are saying and i actually used this tutorial to help me with a similar problem (may or may not help)http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0816.htm
On 4/27/06, Lachlan Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
morten fjellman wrote:> I'm trying to get this layout to work with min- and max-width. The> max-width needs to be 880px wide and the min-width must be 680px. I have> made the header and menu in such a way that they can be compressed (to a
> point), but I can't seem to figure out how to set the correct em or %.> The right column must have a fixed width of 220px and the main content> area must have a flexible width. IE problems with min- and max-width is
> not an issue on this project.G'day MortenGerardo is right. All you need to do is specify 'width: 200px;' on#sidebar and specify 'margin-right: 220px;' to #content (where the rightmargin equals the width of #sidebar + appropriate amount of whitespace
between the columns)Then simply remove your width definition from #content and it will workas I suspect you requireThis reveals some issues with your menu wrapping. And also be wary ofyour final menu item dropdown going off screen to the right :)
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Re: [WSG] Usability Testing

[Germ]

When you roll over the links in Firefox I get a little stroke just above the links. its just a little messy.I also personally dont like the text in the rollover link. is the popup really needed??Its nice and simple though
On 4/22/06, Jensen William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Waz and Elle,An enjoyable departure from the overwhelming "content-rich" siteswith unnecessary content.You followed the points of the usability guidelines perfectly.The site is well designed and executed.
1.  I copied source for pages into a text/html file and checked usingXHTML Strict and they pass. Why do you use "Transitional"?2.  There are a few grammar/spelling/word choice errors in body text.
For example, on the home page under the menu item "UsabilityChecklist" is the word "consized" - it should be "Concise." I makethese errors too. It's always good to get someone else to edit our
work for perfection. "Appearance is everything," some say. And -clients - they just love to find errors they can pick on you about inthe final presentation of a finished website.. Oh, the shame of
it all {:-} . Don't give them the chance.3.  I'm using Safari, IE, Netscape and Firefox on a PowerBook 17".Safari gives excellent rendition. Firefox drops the "Human ComputerInterface" headline down onto the menu line - same in IE and
Netscape. You may need adjustment to CSS margins for the Headline space.4.  The greatest aspect of your site is that from the lowest screenresolution to the highest and from the smallest font size to the
largest I get a "normal" appearance in the browser as everythingresizes smoothly without breaking the layout.Overall grade? Somewhere in the high 90% range - with required"repairs" to fix the browser problems.
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Re: [WSG] Web pages needed for testing

[Germ]

some ppl learn from mistakes wether its theres or othersand u can get insporation from anythingOn 4/22/06, Rick Faaberg <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On 4/21/06 10:32 PM "Germ" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:> and i agree with the fact that you need to know what a badly designed website> is so u can learn from the errors and identify them so wen/ if u designed a> website and u get a similar error, u know how to fix the problem.
> Makes sense for meYour logic escapes me. Do you go back into mid-nineties style websites forinspiration as well?Whatever. Do what you will.Rick**
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Re: [WSG] Web pages needed for testing

[Germ]

yeah i also did an usabiltity course (more on visual side of things and not code side)and i agree with the fact that you need to know what a badly designed website is so u can learn from the errors and identify them so wen/ if u designed a website and u get a similar error, u know how to fix the problem.
Makes sense for meOn 4/22/06, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And why not just teach the "correct" (whatever they are) coding methods? Why> linger on with the "incorrect" coding methods?>> I find fault with the premise of the question.
>> Fwiw (probably less than 2p) ;-)>I'm doing an accessibility web design subject at the moment, and we arecurrently taking www.bushheritage.asn.au/
 apart to look at the variousaccessibility problems present, and then see if we can reconstruct it ina more accessible format.It shows how things can fail, and then focuses on getting it right. Ithink that's a reasonable thing to do.
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Re: [WSG] different way than using the BR tags

[Germ]

i forgot about the amp; bitwat about when its part of the link tho???that paragraph is the copyright info to save my bum from getting burntOn 4/21/06, 
Stuart Colville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In your first problem you need to clear the paragraph under the image. (clear: right;)For the ampersand errors just replace & with the entity & and all will be well.

On 4/21/06, Germ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ok another thing that im a lil confused abouton the page (
http://www.germworks.net/Phantom/Nolan.html
) i have a few links to dif threads from message boards etc and wen validating the page it picks up the = & etc as errors and warnings.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.germworks.net/Phantom/Nolan.html
just guessing but is the problem the character set line of code???
i use: 

On 4/21/06, Germ <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ok i have a problem wen i view my the page on a few of my pages for my webpage on the Phantom (http://www.germworks.net/Phantom
)The problem is tat like wat we previously discussed in my webpage in regard to the align: right in the css style sheet so tat every image is aligned right. what happens if you dont want that image to be aligned right. I say tat because on this page 
http://www.germworks.net/Phantom/McCoy.html the bottom image makes the text wrap around the image and it looks tacky. Normally when you dont place the align in the style sheet and u do it in the page you can work around this problem.
Does tat make sense??Any ideas etcThanks in advance-- GermWorkshttp://www.germworks.net
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Re: [WSG] different way than using the BR tags

[Germ]

Ok another thing that im a lil confused abouton the page (http://www.germworks.net/Phantom/Nolan.html) i have a few links to dif threads from message boards etc and wen validating the page it picks up the = & etc as errors and warnings.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.germworks.net/Phantom/Nolan.htmljust guessing but is the problem the character set line of code???
i use: On 4/21/06, Germ <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok i have a problem wen i view my the page on a few of my pages for my webpage on the Phantom (http://www.germworks.net/Phantom
)The problem is tat like wat we previously discussed in my webpage in regard to the align: right in the css style sheet so tat every image is aligned right. what happens if you dont want that image to be aligned right. I say tat because on this page 
http://www.germworks.net/Phantom/McCoy.html the bottom image makes the text wrap around the image and it looks tacky. Normally when you dont place the align in the style sheet and u do it in the page you can work around this problem.
Does tat make sense??Any ideas etcThanks in advance-- GermWorkshttp://www.germworks.net
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[WSG] different way than using the BR tags

[Germ]

Ok i have a problem wen i view my the page on a few of my pages for my webpage on the Phantom (http://www.germworks.net/Phantom
)The problem is tat like wat we previously discussed in my webpage in regard to the align: right in the css style sheet so tat every image is aligned right. what happens if you dont want that image to be aligned right. I say tat because on this page 
http://www.germworks.net/Phantom/McCoy.html the bottom image makes the text wrap around the image and it looks tacky. Normally when you dont place the align in the style sheet and u do it in the page you can work around this problem.
Does tat make sense??Any ideas etcThanks in advance-- GermWorkshttp://www.germworks.net
http://germworks.blogspot.com/
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Re: [WSG] Bizarre overflow visible/hidden issue with link rollover

[Germ]

doesnt do it either in my version of firefoxOn 4/21/06, Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 4/20/06 11:50 PM "Paul Noone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> sent this out:> The URL: http://www.ashm.org.au>> The problem: Roll over the About ASHM link in the dotted orange div with the> blockquote and watch it collapse. Then roll over the floated image to the
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Re: [WSG] Web pages needed for testing

[Germ]

oh no not our fearless great leaderOn 4/21/06, Bojana Lalic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.pm.gov.au/
http://www.aph.gov.au/:)-Original Message-From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org[mailto:listdad@webstandardsgroup.org
] On Behalf Of Tom WorthingtonSent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:57 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Web pages needed for testingImportance: Low
Can anyone suggest some poorly designed web pages for web designstudents to take apart? Preferably these would be from publicinstitutions.The students at are learning web page design<
http://www.tomw.net.au/2005/wd/>. So I need some badly designed webpages for them to run accessibility tests on.  I don't want to pickon web pages from individuals, or those from small companies (unless
someone wants to volunteer their own). But a government or largecompany is fair game.For testing we are using "TAW" from the Centre for the Development ofInformation and Communication Technologies in Asturias
.Previously I used Australian Government web pages as examples of baddesign, but these seem to have had the obvious faults fixed (perhaps
by my ex-students?). I ran a sample of 250 pages in TAW and only gota couple of errors.The next step is for the students to reformat one on pages to displayon a mobile phone. For that I will probably use one on Bird Flu, as
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Re: [WSG] Web pages needed for testing

[Germ]

http://www.curtin.edu.au/I have to look at this all th etime as im studying there and i get the shivers every time i look at the dogs dinner...
On 4/21/06, Tom Worthington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can anyone suggest some poorly designed web pages for web designstudents to take apart? Preferably these would be from public institutions.The students at are learning web page design<
http://www.tomw.net.au/2005/wd/>. So I need some badly designed webpages for them to run accessibility tests on.  I don't want to pickon web pages from individuals, or those from small companies (unless
someone wants to volunteer their own). But a government or largecompany is fair game.For testing we are using "TAW" from the Centre for the Development ofInformation and Communication Technologies in Asturias
.Previously I used Australian Government web pages as examples of baddesign, but these seem to have had the obvious faults fixed (perhaps
by my ex-students?). I ran a sample of 250 pages in TAW and only gota couple of errors.The next step is for the students to reformat one on pages to displayon a mobile phone. For that I will probably use one on Bird Flu, as
per my talk next month for the WSG.Tom Worthington FACS HLM 
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Re: [WSG] scrolling sidebar

[Germ]

I personally hate horizontal scroll bars...
I got taught and advised (and as im still learning) by people i got drilled into me NEVER to have them...

On 4/15/06, Joseph Bernhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kenny Graham wrote:> ah.  you want position: fixed.  won't work in IE6 without something> like dean edwards IE7 script tho.There are actually several ways to get around this problem.  Positionfixed would be the easiest by far if IE 6 would support it.  You may use
css expressions to make it do this, but then it seems jumpy and sporadic(like the example given).  Given that about 85% of the visitors to mywebsite use IE 6 I decided to go an alternate route.   The 'scrolling
sidebar' as you call it is actually an absolutely positioned elementwith an overflow of hidden on top of a body with an overflow of hidden.There is then a relatively positioned (or absolute, whatever you need to
make it look right with your design) placed 'on top' of it all withoverflow: auto.  Ive used this several times, a good example is onwww.joughslife.com/Rockport.html
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Re: [WSG] A Puzzling slip-sideways effect in FireFox on REIA site

[Germ]

have u tried copying the code from a page were it works propery and put
it instead of the code tat makes the page resize and then go back to
normal???

On 4/13/06, Kym Kovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello everyone,The site listed below is a client site, we host it but did not developit. The Client has noticed that in Firefox 1.5 when you click on a linkin the menu at the top of the content then the pages does a sort-of page
resize or slip-sideways for a moment and then comes good again.  Theyhave asked us to have a look as the original developers are long gone.A good example of the effect is the page shown in the link below:
http://www.reia.com.au/media/updatearchive.aspIf you click on the menu item for the same page, REIA Update Archives,you can see the table resize (shrink) itself as you click and then go
back to normal as the page reloads.I am guessing that the styling for the active link is wrong in some waybut it is not obvious so I am asking for help.I know that the site is table based and does not validate, in fact it is
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Re: [WSG] help needed in validating webpage

[Germ]

Mmmm it is actually an external _javascript_ file.

I will play around with the other suggestions (look at webpages etc)

On 4/12/06, Peter Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Germ> Again another thing that im not 100% sure on> the strict DTD for XHTML1.0 doesnt allow _javascript_ right???> so if u want _javascript_ included u wuld use the loose DTD??> Am i right in saying this???
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Re: [WSG] help needed in validating webpage

[Germ]

Again another thing that im not 100% sure on

the strict DTD for XHTML1.0 doesnt allow _javascript_ right???

so if u want _javascript_ included u wuld use the loose DTD??

Am i right in saying this???

Re: [WSG] help needed in validating webpage

[Germ]

Ok I have fixed up the problems and worked around them (got rid of "target" etc)

So wen i valiadted I have no 'errors' but i get this message:



Result:


  
Tentatively passed validation
  





  File:Cartoon.html





Encoding:utf-8
Doctype:XHTML 1.0 Strict



  Root Namespace:
  http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml



  






  
  


No Character Encoding Found!

  Falling back to 

UTF-8.
  
  

  I was not able to extract a character encoding labeling from any of
  the valid sources for such information. Without encoding information
  it is impossible to reliably validate the document. I'm falling back
  to the "UTF-8" 
  encoding and will attempt to perform the validation,
  but this is likely to fail for all non-trivial documents.

  
  
Read the FAQ 
entry on character encoding for more details and pointers on how to fix this problem with your document.
  
  



  

  

Note:
The Validator XML support has
some limitations.


wat does this mean???
Thanks again for all you guys (and girls) help

Re: [WSG] help needed in validating webpage

[Germ]

So u can actually apply the "float: left" to the image instead of "align:left"
 > 3.- attribute align doesn´t exists on DTD strict. You can use> text-align:right in your css
>> i might play around with tat idea, makes senseYou have a few options.Since it is images you want to align, you should apply 'float: right;'directly to the image instead. You've got 'float:left' and ':right', but
no ':center' of course.To center an image: apply 'text-align: center;' to the element/containerthe image is inside. Note that this will also center text, so paragraphsinside the same element/container will need 'text-align: left;' defined
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Re: [WSG] help needed in validating webpage

[Germ]

The reason i have the "target" is so it can open up in a new page. but it culd dispaear if its easier

3.- attribute align doesn´t exists on DTD strict. You can use text-align:right
in your css

i might play around with tat idea, makes sense


On 4/11/06, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Peter Williams wrote:>> http://www.germworks.net> Short answer: Change your doctype to transitional, it will allow> those attributes.Not a good solution, but if that 'target' *must* stay in there, then it
is probably the best one.> Long answer: Standby for Lachlan's reply on the evils of serving> XHTML as text/html.Someone must be riding the wrong pony here... :-)...or maybe the pony ran away ;-)
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[WSG] help needed in validating webpage

[Germ]

Hi
My name is Jermayn Parker and a new member (so please excuss me ignorance in how this works etc)

I have a webpage (http://www.germworks.net) and as i was validating it
via extension on Firefox and i recieved the following errors:

I was wondering how would i get around these problems, is there some
code i could use instead or would I have to have my doctype as the
loose instead of strict

Thanks in advance for any help


  Below are the results of checking this document for XML
  well-formedness and validity.






Error
Line 35 column 9:
there is no attribute "target".		target="_blank">example) or an interactive website? (http://www.g


  You have used the attribute named above in your document, but the
  document type you are using does not support that attribute for this
  element. This error is often caused by incorrect use of the "Strict"
  document type with a document that uses frames (e.g. you must use
  the "Transitional" document type to get the "target" attribute), or
  by using vendor proprietary extensions such as "marginheight" (this
  is usually fixed by using CSS to achieve the desired effect instead).


  This error may also result if the element itself is not supported in
  the document type you are using, as an undefined element will have no
  supported attributes; in this case, see the element-undefined error
  message for further information.


  How to fix: check the spelling and case of the element and attribute, 
  (Remember XHTML is all lower-case) and/or 
  check that they are both allowed in the chosen document type, and/or
  use CSS instead of this attribute.

  

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Error
Line 40 column 19:
there is no attribute "language".