Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1
On Friday 23 February 2007 17:35, Tim wrote:
> Easy. Tell them to "Right click" the search button and open results in
> a new window.
> Anything else will fail to validate as a strict doctype and be less
> accessible.
>
> Tim
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> On 23/02/2007, at 5:09 PM, Gallagher, Robin wrote:
> > Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the
> > results open in a new page. Can anyone suggest a valid method to do
> > this in xhtml 1.1?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Robin Gallagher
Hi,
The alternate is to use JavaScript:
window.open('url to open','window name','attribute1,attribute2')
IMHO, if a significant proportion of users are requesting this feature, you
should offer users the option of a new window with one button and the same
window or a tab with just a text link.
This option will get a number of standardistas upset - but look at the total
site traffic, not just the requests for this "feature", and then make your
decision.
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Re: [WSG] Font-sizing in quirksmode
On Sunday 12 November 2006 14:17, Christian Montoya wrote: > > > Let's just say font-sizes are problematic on these 120 dpi screens; > and yes, I try to stick to Firefox for the consistent font sizing. > Most of the widescreen LCD monitors and laptops actually have 150 DPI, whilst most standard LCD screens are 96 DPI. Most of the problems with LCD monitors are caused by users changing the screen resolution to make screen elements larger with "jaggies" instead of making the screen elements larger with high resolution clarity. The problem is that many people haven't been taught to make screen elements larger - just how to change the resolution as they did on 14" & 15" CRT monitors. Sorry, I just don't have a solution to teaching end users to zoom and use the built in accessibility or themes to make elements larger. Inconsistent zooming in applications and browsers doesn't help either. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Legal or Ilegal
On 11/3/06, kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hya,I have a domain 'jungaling.com. Its a web site (eventually about Asia'sflora and fauna. Someone else has the domain 'Wild Asia'.I found for the Mambo this awesome template. Its green, the logo has a beautiful Butterfly and under that is the name 'Digital Eye'. I want tochange the Digital Eye to Wild Asia is this legal?ThanksKateHi Kate,You need to look at the licence for the theme - it could be a Creative Commons Licence ( http://creativecommons.org/), or GNU Public Licence, shareware or freeware.I found the template I think you are referring too: http://www.joomla24.com/Joomla_1.0.x_Downloads/Templates_for_Joomla_1.0.x/Digitaleye_Green.htmlIt appears to be free and could be editted - but remember someone else could also use this template. You really need to develop your own "brand", which could be based on the Digitaleye_Green theme, but would identify your site uniquely. Hope this helps,-- Regards,SteveBathurst Computer SolutionsURL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.aue-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0407 224 251 _... (0)>... / / \.. / / . ).. V_/_Linux Powered!Registered Linux User #355382 ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] IE6 -> IE7
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:49 am, Ted Drake wrote: > I don't get the paranoia. > IE7 is much more secure than IE6. If you don't like IE7, you can simply > uninstall it and ie6 is restored after a reboot. > > As a web dev, you need to install IE7 and test your sites. Ignoring it > isn't going to help your web development. > > Ted > > > John Faulds wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:52:17 +1000, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Rahul Gonsalves wrote: > >> I will not be allowing IE7 to be > >> > >>> installed on my main computer, until most of the bugs have been > >>> worked out, and a couple of security updates have been applied :-). > >> > >> how do you go about doing this? > > > > Do you mean how to prevent IE7 being installed via automatic updates? > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4516A6F7-5D44-482B >- 9DBD-869B4A90159C&displaylang=en > > thanks for the link. i missed it the first time. too big of a hurry i > guess. > > dwain [Humour Warning!] There is already an update available - http://ie7.com -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Ultimate DOM-script strategy
On Monday 18 September 2006 23:04, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: > On 18 Sep 2006, at 13:40, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > If you filter on the 'List-Id' header instead of the subject, that > > doesn't happen. Any decent mail client should be able to filter > > based on that. > > None of the messages I receive from this list has a "List-Id" header. > Either it's not being sent, or it's being stripped out somewhere on > its travels. > > Nick. No "List-Id" in the header of the e-mails I receive or do you mean: "Return-Path: " which is the first text in the full source listing. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera Mini and lists
On Monday 18 September 2006 18:46, David Dorward wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 12:30:30PM +1000, Geoff Pack wrote: > >> As Opera Mini matures and the base line phones get more powerful, > >> I'm sure further features, such as bullets will be added. > > > > Oh come on - are you saying Opera Mini can parse a stylesheet and but > > isn't powerful enough to indent a line of text and stick a bullet in > > front of it? > > The phones, not the software. Given the size of displays on devices > that Opera Mini targets, indented text may not be desirable and the > screen real estate better used for something else (like more text). Hi all, Interesting glimpses of the future in this thread. :-) However, surely a single space indent would be of more use and convey much more meaning when used as part of the document structure via CSS & lists. I can successfully browse and read Gmail on a Nokia 6103 using the built in browser, but Opera Mini must offer better features to convince users to download another browser - especially given the limited memory available in mobile phones. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] target=_blank
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 10:21, Christian Heilmann wrote: > > I know what is wrong with popups - they are unreliable, mean a new > instance of the browser rather than taking resources for only one, > they are insecure (until browsers always show the location bar - which > MSIE will do in the 7th version you can simulate a popup appearing to > be from the originating page while it isn't - and ask people for their > credit card details) and they simply give me a 1999 feel. > > Generally: What is useful to you is not useful to everybody. You can > easily offer these things when and after you tested if the user's > browser can support it - or even better if the user wants it (a > checkbox with "open links in new windows" for example). But assuming > users can and want to deal with several windows is just arrogance. There are very good reasons to open new windows, not just when using frames, online banking being one of them. Opening a new window, secured with SSL encryption and breaking this connection by closing the window when "logging off". Usually all browser buttons, address bars, menus are turned off on these windows so there is no way a user can change to "normal" surfing of the Internet thus preventing any history security issues. By removing "target=_blank" you are forcing the use of JavaScript to open the window. This usually isn't an issue because JavaScripts are used for other features, but it should not be necessary just to generate secure sessions. I'm sure there are other secure online transactions that need this feature and are stopped from using strict doctypes (XHTML or HTML) because of this feature is removed. Opening new windows for secure sessions makes me feel very 21st Century - the developers are understanding the security risks presented by the wide spread adoption of online life. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory
On Sunday 30 July 2006 11:43, Christian Montoya wrote: > On 7/29/06, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Christian Montoya wrote: > > > That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video > > > and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the > > > previous 3. > > > > I always think hamburger is the most evil food mankind ever invented, > > Hamburgers don't crash my browser. > > -- It depends on the format you feed them into the computer - binary OK but organic might cause a few problems for the computer :lol: :lol: -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
On Saturday 22 July 2006 07:42, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > Tom Livingston wrote: > > Target="_blank" > > in XHTML (see original subject line) You can use the "target" attribute in XHTML, just not with Strict Doctypes, and none of the postings have mentioned doctype or whether this is being served as application/xhtml+xml or text/html. Ted and Thierry's script is a work around this limitation when using Strict Doctypes (and very well done IMHO). -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validation Tool
On Thursday 13 July 2006 13:22, Germ wrote: > I personally just use the extension on firefox > > On 7/13/06, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gday all, > > > > Anyone seen or used this before? Has it proven helpful? > > Total Validator: http://www.totalvalidator.com/ > > > > Kat I think the Web Developer Toolbar Extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/60/) for Firefox is the best place to start validation - you always need to do manual checks, especially for accessibility validation. I also use the Fangs Extension (http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?show/fangs) and the TAW3 with a click Extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1158/) as starting points for accessibility testing before manually checking. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] section 508 alike link for non US site.
On Wednesday 12 July 2006 16:19, tee g.peng wrote: > Hi, I was working on a site that client wants me to put a link at the > footer that the site passes XHTML, CSS and accessibility validation. > Question is, what should I put? WCAG? It's a non-US site so I thought > section 508 isn't appropriate. Client is hoping I can use something > more global approach because it's a site that targets on > international audiences. > > tee > > Hi, I think your client may have seen the W3C WAI Logos on pages - A, AA, AAA level accessibilities conformance. Full details online at: http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/ The most common way to start this testing is at: http://www.contentquality.com/ The page must be "live" on the web to use this site. Note the drop down list allows you to specify the conformance level you are testing too. You can also use the Web Developer toolbar extension in Firefox to make the automated phase of your testing easier. You will always have to do manual testing to check for conformance. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] List headings
On Monday 10 July 2006 16:43, pepelsbey wrote:
> Maybe:
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>Group title
>Group title
>Group title
>Group title
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>
I think the best option would be:
Group title
Group item
Group item
Group item
and style
dt h1 { font-family:
font-weight:
etc
}
would allow your definition terms to ranked by importance. Sub-listings could
use h2, h3, etc for the definition term.
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Re: [WSG] Mac / Linux Site Check Please
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 06:23 am, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: Can > I ask some of you mac/linux guys/gals to take a peek to make sure > nothing breaks? > > http://essay.sitesbyjoe.com/test.htm > Hi Joe, The site appears consistently in Firefox 1.5.0.4, Opera 9 and Konqueror 3.4.2. There is just one problem I have noticed - none of your images have the dimensions so the text/layout jumps around when the image is finished downloading. Zooming works fine in Opera and Konqueror - excessive zooming in Firefox has normal container/text size images. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] LInks Multi-language
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:18 pm, Martin Heiden wrote: > Gaspar, > From a user perspective it would be more useful to describe the link > in the language of links destiny. If I were on your site and I > couldn't understand Portuguese, I would definitely prefer a link with > text in a language that I understand... Don't you agree? ;-) I agree - another option is to use small icons that are flags of the nations associated with the destiny language - English uses UK/US flag (I've even seen this as a combined flag), German the German flag, French the French flag, etc. Most web users associate these flags with the correct language even if the linking text is in another language or they are from another country like Australia where the predominant language is English or French-Canadian use the French flag. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:48 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Surely any conforming user agent should ignore any markup that it does No, user agents don't ignore markup that is not specified in the DOCTYPE. It generates (or should) a parse error. Most web sites don't serve XHTML correctly as "application/xhtml+xml" because one browser by a very large US software manufacturer doesn't parse this MIME type. If you want to see examples try: http://www.bathurst-tafe.nsw.edu.au/~steve/index.htm is text/html and http://www.bathurst-tafe.nsw.edu.au/~steve/index.xhtml is application/xhtml+xml When using Windows & IE6, for the second link, Windows will try to open the page in another application (usually Dreamweaver if installed). These are both served by Apache from the same directory. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG CMS] Etomite CMS
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:57 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I currently use Etomite on my personal site, finding it very flexible. > Currently the site validates to XHTML strict and CSS standards. I would be > interested in comments regarding rendering in various browsers, as this is > the next thing I need to check. My site is located at: > > http://www.holt-online.info > > Ian Hi Ian, There are two warnings on the first page: line 35 column 1 - Warning: inserting "type" attribute line 64 column 2 - Warning: attribute "longdesc" lacks value 0 errors / 2 warnings The page looks good in Firefox 1.5.0.3 and Konqueror 3.4.2 on OpenSUSE 10.0. However in Opera 8.52 build 1631 your Welcome to Holt Online Info section looks very blocky on all pages (1280 x 1024 screen res) at any zoom level. I will be keeping an eye on Etomite - I currently use phpWebSite for my CMS but it only produces XHTML transitional text/html. Hope this helps. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! * The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Accessibility standards - for commercial consumption
On Mon, 29 May 2006 10:28 pm, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > Tony Crockford wrote: > > My suggestion and hope, was that this community could create a > > document(s) that advised the web design community at large in a > > pragmatic and specific way how to *implement* the guidelines. > > ... > > Of course the Academic approach dictates one generic document that > > covers all technologies - easier to maintain and future-proof, and > > that's the answer I suspect the WAI will give when asked to extend WCAG2 > > to include real-life specific and pragmatic examples. > > Real life examples is supposedly what Techniques for WCAG 2.0 is all > about, though it's not very good or complete. This is the area that frustrates most students when starting out with web design and standards. There are few examples of different styles and layouts that have been tested and verified as being accessible to standards. These need comments and explanations within the document structure that can be stripped out at a later date. This would also help web designers who code to older standards, or not ;-), understand the reasons to make drastic changes to their design process. > I think this illustrates what the web developer community should be > focussing on. Rather than trying to translate a technical specification > to make it readable by average joe developers, it would be more helpful > to focus on the actual techniques that can be easily applied by others. I agree - when I first started with the WSG web site and mailing list these are the types of things I thought the WSG would be producing. > Much like Position is Everything focuses on practical examples and > explanations of CSS techniques and related issues, a site that does the > same for accessibility would be very useful. > > There are several sites and resources that do offer accessibility tools > and advice, such as Juicy Studio and WATS.ca, but when it comes to > something that really walks a developer through accessibility from > designing and building with modern, accessible techniques; coping with > browser limitations, through to actually testing it with (and > understanding how a disabled person uses) assistive technology, there > really isn't all that much readily available. > > How many people here actually test their sites with a screen reader (or > other assistive technology) regularly? One of the major problems is the > price (JAWS, HPR and Windows-Eyes start from around $US800 or more), but > even using a trial version, I expect most of us wouldn't really know > where to begin. One of the most useful tools I have recently discovered is the Firefox extension Fangs (v 1.0) which renders a page into text and adds the descriptive text JAWS or similar would use for reading the page. However, there may be better tools that are free to implement that I haven't discovered. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely
On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:17 pm, Patrick Lauke wrote: > > Michael Persson > > > > its just that for 10 years there is nothing that moves > > regading screen > > sizes and accesability > > have to follow the smallest standard size in order to not be > > refused by > > visitors. Screen sizes have changed drastically in the last 10 years - from 14" => 15" => 17" => 19" +. The real problem is the teachings at schools, TAFE, uni, community college, mate down the road, etc haven't evolved with the advances in screen design. How many people say that they have trouble seeing small text sizes but haven't a clue how to change the font size of screen elements without changing the resolution? > > Ever thought that maybe it's because people's eyes didn't evolve > over the last 10 years, so if somebody needs a lower resolution and > large text size, they'll still need it regardless of technology? > If you are worried about your eyes change the font size of elements or use the accessibility features built into every OS but keep the screen resolution high - it makes screen elements smooth! > > I dont think it work like that any longer, and HEY people need to buy > > screens and upgrade for god sake!!! > > See above. It's not a case of people not upgrading. If somebody needs > and prefers their resolution low, they'll set their machine to that > even on a large new 21" monitor. It's not an issue of people not > buying/upgrading. > As I said learn above ... to get the best out of your new 24" wide-screen LCD learn how to configure your system at the highest resolution and then adjust the font to a suitable size. > > Now you might got my point... > /* Removed - I was being facetious */ > Yes...real users stand in the way of your creativity, we get it. NO ... those with no vision stand in the way of creativity. > > P > > Patrick H. Lauke > Web Editor / University of Salford > http://www.salford.ac.uk > > Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force > http://webstandards.org/ > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] flash activation border??? is it a XP problem
On Fri, 19 May 2006 01:59 am, Matt wrote: > Actually, this is the best example I've seen to date: > > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/articles/swfobject.html > This is only one of the methods available. Updates available for Adobe (Macromedia) products and more information on workarounds is available at: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/activecontent/ -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera and transparent png
On Wed, 3 May 2006 05:10 am, Randall Potter wrote: > Opera also sometimes identifies itself as IE > how are you choosing when to add your IE6 stylesheet? Just to confirm my Opera install (8.52) identifies itself as Opera when queried. Steve ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] launch of site: Yahoo! Tech
On Tue, 2 May 2006 03:16 am, Ted Drake wrote: > So, take some time to look at the site: http://tech.yahoo.com . I know > there are still some validation errors, especially with the content that's > beyond our control. But there are other goodies inside, especially for > accessibility and I'd be happy to answer any questions or give advice. Hi Ted, I like the idea and content - the site even looks pretty good, but there are a few issues in Firefox and Opera when using Linux. I have some screen captures at: http://www.bathurstcomputers.com.au/temp/techyahoocom.png http://www.bathurstcomputers.com.au/temp/techyahoocom1.png The drop down menu of sections is not available in Firefox because it gets hidden by the large Flash movie just below it.The whole design seems to be falling to pieces in Opera. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Styling tbody?
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:22 pm, Kevin Futter wrote: > > a de facto heading. I'd hoped to be able to group them via the > element, but find myself completely unable to style them. I'm trying to > apply a border to the sections, but it only works if > border-collapse is set to collapse, otherwise I get nothing (but the table > then ignores the padding applied to its parent element). If I apply a > border style to the individual s, it negates the border > altogether. > > Let's just say that I'm confused and frustrated :-) Hi Kevin, The problem is because doesn't have a border attribute. For more info on this (or any other tags): http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_tbody.asp -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Pixel to Em conversion.
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:37 pm, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > Herrod, Lisa wrote: > > From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > You can use the alt tag for keyword stuffing to help boost your search > engine rankings. Also remember to use alt="spacer" for spacer gifs so > that screen readers can describe the layout to users. rofl - and to think its only 5 years ago ;-) -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website accessibility statement
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:16 am, Chris Taylor wrote: > The site, in case you want to have a look and try to break it is > http://newserver.emis-online.com. Any constructive criticisms will be > gladly accepted. > Many thanks > > Chris Hi Chris, Nice looking layout - just a couple of issues (using Firefox 1.5.0.1 on OpenSUSE 10): 1. Drop down menus go behind the central image (the future of primary care computing) on the home page. Menus work on other pages. 2. The central image (the future of primary care computing) on the home page is about 80 pixels wider than the logo and nav bar areas. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Forums
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:50 pm, Chris Littell wrote: > Vanilla (http://lussumo.com/) is the only standards complaint forum I > know of. Why do I need a standards complaint forum? ;-) There are a enough complaints on this mailing lists :-) (that's what makes it interesting). :lol: Steve ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] text/html and application/xhtml+xml
Thank you all for your comments and suggestions - I'm collating this and will present to the teaching staff in the next week or so. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] text/html and application/xhtml+xml
I am interested in some of the very strong opinions on the list about the serving of XHTML compliant documents as text/html. I hope you don't mind me asking for your opinions and reasons. I am part of the Arts & IT teaching staff at Bathurst TAFE where we teach web design amongst other subjects. As you can imagine we have some interesting discussions on various aspects of design, coding and standards. :-) We are teaching the use of XHTML 1.0 Transitional served as text/html to account for the well known problems with Internet Explorer in regards to application/xhtml+xml documents. We have a couple of pages that are served as application/xhtml+xml from our Apache web server to demonstrate the problem as well as some Java demonstrating the actual HTTP Headers and requests. Students can publish pages as application/xhtml+xml if they wish to try this out. We also teach the use of CSS as the preferred option for layout, but also recognise that in some cases students will have difficulties with CSS positioning so pages are XHTML 1.0 Transitional standards. We are doing this because we, as a group, thought that this is the preferred option as per the W3C Media types pages at: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/#text-html and http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/#summary The reasons we decided are for future compatibility and the relatively simple methods that can be used to change from text/html to application/xhtml+xml. Are we wrong? If so, why is this so wrong? Should we go back to teaching HTML 4.01? Thank you for your time and comments. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] UK help
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:12 pm, Bob Schwartz wrote: > Could anyone suggest a good host in the UK. Hi, I'm in Australia but regularly take part in the Linux Format magazine web site forums (www.linuxformat.co.uk). They have a number of technical people from UK as regulars who should be able to recommend web hosts. I know that some of the members run web hosting companies or maintain the servers at web host companies. Hope this helps out. -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0)> ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
