Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
On 4 Oct 2006, at 21:53, David Dorward wrote: On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:31:20PM -0400, Christian Montoya wrote: I don't see that problem occurring on the demo page tjkdesign.com/articles/TIP_6.asp>. If I disable images, I see the text. Same here. David, under what test conditions did you not see text with images disabled? Were you using a simulator (like FF dev toolbar) or did you actually disable images and reload the page? I am using the FF dev toolbar, but its not that uncommon a piece of software and makes for a quick way of disabling images in the real world. I also used the FF dev toolbar to disable images, and the text appeared for me: FF1.5.0.7, Web Developer toolbar 1.0.2, all on Mac OS X 10.4.7. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
David Dorward wrote: >> Same here. David, under what test conditions did you not see text >> with images disabled? Were you using a simulator (like FF dev >> toolbar) or did you actually disable images and reload the page? > I am using the FF dev toolbar, but its not that uncommon a piece of > software and makes for a quick way of disabling images in the real > world. David, I can't reproduce this behavior. If I disable images in FF (v0.8 and v1.5) through the Dev Toolbar or the "Tools" menu I still get the text... --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
On 10/4/06, David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:31:20PM -0400, Christian Montoya wrote: > >I don't see that problem occurring on the demo page >tjkdesign.com/articles/TIP_6.asp>. If I disable images, I see the text. > > Same here. David, under what test conditions did you not see text with > images disabled? Were you using a simulator (like FF dev toolbar) or > did you actually disable images and reload the page? I am using the FF dev toolbar, but its not that uncommon a piece of software and makes for a quick way of disabling images in the real world. That's what I thought. The FF dev toolbar only gives you a *simulation* of the rendering of a page with images disabled, which is not *always* the same thing. If you select "disable images" with it, it *should* reload the page with images disabled, which is the correct behavior, but depending on the version you are using, it might not. I have the latest version in FF 1.5 and the page passes under all circumstances... disable images, replace images with alt attributes, disable styles, etc. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:31:20PM -0400, Christian Montoya wrote: > >I don't see that problem occurring on the demo page >tjkdesign.com/articles/TIP_6.asp>. If I disable images, I see the text. > > Same here. David, under what test conditions did you not see text with > images disabled? Were you using a simulator (like FF dev toolbar) or > did you actually disable images and reload the page? I am using the FF dev toolbar, but its not that uncommon a piece of software and makes for a quick way of disabling images in the real world. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
David Dorward wrote: > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:49:46AM -0700, Thierry Koblentz wrote: >> I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: >> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_image_replacement_technique.asp > It suffers from the usual problem of having no text at all if images > are disabled by CSS isn't. AFAIK, No. Are you experiencing that (no text no images)? In any configuration (CSS on, JS off, CSS on / JS off, etc.), you should always have either the image or the text. I also made sure that with JS on / CSS off both images and text do not appear together. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
On 10/4/06, Nick Fitzsimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4 Oct 2006, at 21:07, David Dorward wrote: > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:49:46AM -0700, Thierry Koblentz wrote: >> I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: >> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/ >> the_perfect_image_replacement_technique.asp > > It suffers from the usual problem of having no text at all if images > are disabled by CSS isn't. > I don't see that problem occurring on the demo page . If I disable images, I see the text. Same here. David, under what test conditions did you not see text with images disabled? Were you using a simulator (like FF dev toolbar) or did you actually disable images and reload the page? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
Chris Williams wrote: > How about "a" perfect image replacement technique rather than "the"... Chris, I've done that more than two hours ago (following Christian's post) :-) --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
On 4 Oct 2006, at 21:07, David Dorward wrote: On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:49:46AM -0700, Thierry Koblentz wrote: I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/ the_perfect_image_replacement_technique.asp It suffers from the usual problem of having no text at all if images are disabled by CSS isn't. I don't see that problem occurring on the demo page tjkdesign.com/articles/TIP_6.asp>. If I disable images, I see the text. Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
Al Sparber wrote: > From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To nitpick, though, by most definitions "perfect" can't be improved >> upon, hence it can be perceived as a tad presumptuous to use it... >> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perfect > > Reminds me of my old Osterizer food blender and its "Infinite Speed" > setting. I would urge Thierry to ditch the word "perfect" because it > could be construed by some visitors as either arrogant or theatrical. Nah! That word draws too much interest/attention ;) Also, I noticed that it is the *best way* to get decent feedback. Because people are more willing to look for/find flaws. I know it's risky on my side because that could trigger "mean" replies, but it is in the hope to rise the quality of the article, so I can live with that... On the other hand, it is an important keyword. Have you ever tried to look for the "perfect FAQ page" in Google? ;) --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:49:46AM -0700, Thierry Koblentz wrote: > I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: > http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_image_replacement_technique.asp It suffers from the usual problem of having no text at all if images are disabled by CSS isn't. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
How about "a" perfect image replacement technique rather than "the"... -Original Message- From: Thierry Koblentz Subject: Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings 1. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > To nitpick, though, by most definitions "perfect" can't be improved > upon, hence it can be perceived as a tad presumptuous to use it... > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perfect That's interesting. I think I could have used the exact same URL to make my point ;-) As I said, more than one solution can be perfect. To take the very first definition in that document: 1. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type If we're talking about Image Replacement techniques, we're talking about a few challenges to take into consideration (mostly related to Accessibility). I think *any* technique that takes care of these challenges can be called a perfect technique** Anyway, that URL should not be taken too seriously, we all know that file names and titles "need" to be "catchy"... ;) --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** Now if there is one that also does not pollute the markup (with spans and stuff) and allows the graphic headings to be *printed* then may be this one could be called "the" perfect technique ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To nitpick, though, by most definitions "perfect" can't be improved upon, hence it can be perceived as a tad presumptuous to use it... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perfect Reminds me of my old Osterizer food blender and its "Infinite Speed" setting. I would urge Thierry to ditch the word "perfect" because it could be construed by some visitors as either arrogant or theatrical. No replies necessary :-) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
Thierry Koblentz wrote: A perfect solution is just a solution that *answers* well a particular problem. Improving on a perfect solution doesn't make it more "perfect", it makes it "better" :) To nitpick, though, by most definitions "perfect" can't be improved upon, hence it can be perceived as a tad presumptuous to use it... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perfect -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
Christian Montoya wrote: > On 10/4/06, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: >> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_image_replacement_technique.asp > I would just suggest changing "the perfect" to "a better." > Because, you know, there is always room for improvement. Actually that's exactly why I called it "perfect". I didn't want to use the words "best" or "better" for this very reason. A perfect solution is just a solution that *answers* well a particular problem. Improving on a perfect solution doesn't make it more "perfect", it makes it "better" :) So in my opinion, there are plenty of room for perfect solutions, much less for better solutions and only one spot for the best solution... Argh! Writing this I just realize that the problem is not really with "perfect", "better" or any other word but with the use of "the" vs. "a". And I'm sure that's what you had in mind too when you wrote "a better"... I focused on "better" rather than "a"... I'm OK with "perfect" but now I can't stand the "the" part, so I decided to change the URL ;) Thanks --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
On 10/4/06, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_image_replacement_technique.asp I would just suggest changing "the perfect" to "a better." Because, you know, there is always room for improvement. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Article: using JS to plug IMG in headings
I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_image_replacement_technique.asp --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
