Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-29 Thread Tom Livingston
On 1/26/07 9:51 AM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While mousing, the menu flashes, stutters, etc. I have stopped this behavior by removing hover effects... I¹ll add that the issue is fixed in WebKit... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph:

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-27 Thread al morris
Hi Mick, Two things you might want to test: Using z-index to make sure the menu is above the flash movie. Using background images on the menu with the fast rolloverhttp://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.htmltechique to avoid image flicker in IE. Al On 1/27/07, Micky Hulse [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread al morris
Not sure what you mean Tom, define 'freak out' :) If the issue is the menu appearing behind flash, you can add param mode='transparent' on the flash movie and it will sit behind the menu. On 1/26/07, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 6:55 PM, Andy Woznica [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread Al Sparber
From: al morris Not sure what you mean Tom, define 'freak out' :) If the issue is the menu appearing behind flash, you can add param mode='transparent' on the flash movie and it will sit behind the menu. The wmode parameter does not work correctly in Safari. -- Al Sparber - PVII

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread Tom Livingston
While mousing, the menu flashes, stutters, etc. I have stopped this behavior by removing hover effects... On 1/26/07 9:26 AM, al morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what you mean Tom, define 'freak out' :) If the issue is the menu appearing behind flash, you can add param

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi al. :) al morris wrote: If the issue is the menu appearing behind flash, you can add param mode='transparent' on the flash movie and it will sit behind the menu. And the point I have been trying to make is that a wmode of opaque works way better than transparent. Safari has issues, that

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread Micky Hulse
Al Sparber wrote: It could be as mnuch an Adobe issue as an Apple one. In any event, you Ahh, good point. :) can see here that Adobe's own dropdown menu, which falls over a Flash movie, exhibits the same problem in Safari. http://www.adobe.com Now, it is possible that Adobe does not check

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread Pierre-Henri Lavigne
I confirm regards to various tests, wmode didn't help. iBook g4 using OS 10.4 and Safari 2.0.4(419.3) too. Thanks for the info. Do not know atm how we will manage it. (skip submenu ? oucha) Cheers, Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread Brion Mills
I've been encountering this problem for months now on more that one site. As it was previously mentioned; wmode=transparent does not work in Safari. My decisions was that it still works once hovered on. Although it's not pretty, the bottom line is that it functions...right? Accept the problem

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread Micky Hulse
Brion Mills wrote: Until someone has the time to figure it out, I would suggest not designing OSX 10.4.8, using Safari 2.0.4(419.3): This page (warning: code is not pretty... just quick and dirty for testing): http://www.ambiguism.com/sandbox/scripts/wmode/ My tests show that transparent

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-26 Thread Micky Hulse
Micky Hulse wrote: Draw your own conclusions I guess... Looks to me that opaque works better in the versions of Safari I tested. Sorry, meant to say: Looks to me that /transparent/ works better in the versions of Safari I tested. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch:

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Tom Livingston
On 1/24/07 6:55 PM, Andy Woznica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know. I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Tom Livingston
On 1/25/07 1:30 PM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know. I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion. HTH Hover effects on the

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi folks, great conversation we got going here. :) I just checked a site I did that uses suckerfish and swfObject... iBook g4 using OS 10.4 and Safari 2.0.4(419.3) The flyouts actually behave very well when the Flash is animating (no flickering or anything - perfect)... but when the Flash

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 25 Jan 2007, at 20:44:10, Micky Hulse wrote: 2. Avoid using flyouts completely. That gets my vote. They're irritating and a usability nightmare. If clients ask for them it's our job to educate them out of such stupidity. (Just my 0.02GBP.) Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Micky Hulse
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: 2. Avoid using flyouts completely. That gets my vote. They're irritating and a usability nightmare. If clients ask for them it's our job to educate them out of such stupidity. (Just my 0.02GBP.) Hehe, mine too. At least, that is my sentiment starting last Monday when

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Al Sparber
From: Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hehe, mine too. At least, that is my sentiment starting last Monday when my boss wanted me to update our sites suckerfish-style menu so it worked in IE7... Not that that is hard, but it also had to function well in IE5/Mac/PC... Ouch... I am still working on

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Micky Hulse
Al Sparber wrote: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/index.htm Thanks Al! Looks like some solid code, thanks for sharing! :) Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My:

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Andy Woznica
Other suggestions? Just one horrible one: Build your navigation into the offending Flash piece! It did cross my mind. Ok, I'm off to beat myself with birch twigs.. A On 1/25/07 3:44 PM, Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, great conversation we got going here. :) I just

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Micky Hulse
Andy Woznica wrote: Other suggestions? Just one horrible one: Build your navigation into the offending Flash piece! It did cross my mind. Ok, I'm off to beat myself with birch twigs.. LOL! Actually, good tip... and I have seen it done well (not drop-downs though): http://guilago.se/

[WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-24 Thread Pierre-Henri Lavigne
Good morning / afternoon, One of the website we are developing contains a drop down sections menu over a flash. I think we are catching the same problem as Adobe (http://www.adobe.com) If you are using Safari, it seems there is a problem with the hover status of links displayed in front of

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-24 Thread Andy Woznica
I believe this explains it: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_15523 A - Andy Woznica On 1/24/07 6:12 PM, Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning / afternoon, One of the website we are developing contains a drop

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-24 Thread Micky Hulse
Pierre-Henri Lavigne wrote: Good morning / afternoon, One of the website we are developing contains a drop down sections menu over a flash. I think we are catching the same problem as Adobe (http://www.adobe.com) Try using SWFobject with opaque wmode. You might find my post on Sitepoint

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-24 Thread Andy Woznica
As far as I have surmised wmode=opaque still has no effect in Safari with this type of menu. Does SWFObject help? In the past I've served up a page without the dropdown layers for safari users. They can still access the top level pages, those can then have the ddm on other pages as long as you're