[WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Wow! Never seen this list so busy. You dthink it was Xmas or something. :) Good to hear warnings. If it is not too much trouble, could you expound on that statement a little? Not too much. Simply that the learning curve is often quite steep and that proprietary templating engines don't help this. The forum for each CMS, if one exists, is indeed the best place to look for hired help. Happy holidays all! ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Paul Noone wrote: Wow! Never seen this list so busy. You dthink it was Xmas or something. :) Hehe, yeah, it is nice to see some action. :) Not too much. Simply that the learning curve is often quite steep and that proprietary templating engines don't help this. Ah, I see. Thanks for heads-up. :) The forum for each CMS, if one exists, is indeed the best place to look for hired help. Sounds good. Happy holidays all! You too! Many thanks for your help Paul, I greatly appreciate it. And thanks to everyone else, this list has been a life saver. :D Have a great new year, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
[WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Hi Micky, You haven't stated whether you were looking for a paid or open source solution but I offer the same advice to you that I offer anyone looking for the 'right' CMS. Firstyly, visit CMS Matrix - www.cmsmatrix.org - narrow the scope of the matrix by searching http://cmsmatrix.org/matrix/cms-matrix?func=search for exactly the criteria you're looking for in a content management product. It's not perfect but it's a great start. Then, try out the demo of any of the open source solutions you've narrowed it down to www.opensourcecms.org . This site only demos open source CMSs but it's also a great place to start. Basically, any of the larger/enterprise CMSs will handle your needs, mostly through the installation of third party modules. Unfortunately, as most people here know, I tend not to rate any of these either due to the fact that they'e just too over-blown for most people's needs, or have a steep learning curve which defeats the entire purpose. If you're happy to pay a developer to produce modules for some of your more specific requirements then I'd recommend taking a look at CMS Made Simple http://cmsmadesimple.org/ (groan, they say ;0). It can currently handle most of what you want 'out of the box' and there are core developers on hand who will happily take on paid work at reasonable rates for the purpose of producing new modules for people which are then released under the GPL in a more generic form. Happy hunting! -- Paul A Noone Webmaster, ASHM _ From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 9:30 AM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:19:29 -0800 Subject: Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise. Hi all, I hope your December is going well. :) Long story short, I am looking for a CMS that meets as many of the below items as possible (not really in any particular order): 0. CSS/XHTML, RSS/XML, with good to excellent template management system. As table free as possible. Light-weight. 1. Newsletter sign up: HTML format with ability to attach files (pdf, doc, txt...). 2. Member sign up: Members can edit personal content. 3. Admin member management: Admins can add/remove/edit members and member info. 4. On-line payments: Member dues, events, other. 5. Personalized member calendars: Customizable, forward events, set email reminders. 6. Polls/surveys with results: Result/poll archives? 7. Links page: Easily updated via online form (via admin back-end, see #12). 8. Blog homepage: News with ability to post photos or other dynamic content. News/blog archives are a must (via admin back-end, see #12.) 9. Photo gallery, with ability to pull galleries into other sections of site (i.e. sidebar with random image from particular gallery - when clicked, takes you to that particular gallery.) 10. Good SEO and SERPS placement: Related to #0. 12. Admin back-end. Maybe watered-down section for Client, and power-user section for the developers. Related to #3. Hopefully above list is not too confusing. Any ideas as to a CMS that would meet most of my needs? I can only code to a certain point until I am not worth the time... I fall more on the design end of the web developer spectrum anyway, so I am open to hiring a professional programmer to add/edit modules. Any CMS apps that are easily customizable? I am not a fan of, but my first thought is Joomla. I would greatly appreciate the advice. TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: Switch: BCC?: My: -- Wishlist: Switch: BCC?: My: ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
[WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Micky, Sorry, mate. A couple more things. It's www.opensourcecms.com , not .org. Go easy on the comparison check at cmsmatrix.org. If at first you get no results, whittle down your criteria (starting with Root and Sheel Login). So far as open source solutions go, Drupal and TYP03 can both easily handle what you want. If you've got someone in-house who can handle the development (some PHP and templating knowledge, as well as the learning curve) then I'd put my money on Drupal. But be warned, these are enterprise level CMSs. _ From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 9:30 AM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:19:29 -0800 Subject: Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise. Hi all, I hope your December is going well. :) Long story short, I am looking for a CMS that meets as many of the below items as possible (not really in any particular order): 0. CSS/XHTML, RSS/XML, with good to excellent template management system. As table free as possible. Light-weight. 1. Newsletter sign up: HTML format with ability to attach files (pdf, doc, txt...). 2. Member sign up: Members can edit personal content. 3. Admin member management: Admins can add/remove/edit members and member info. 4. On-line payments: Member dues, events, other. 5. Personalized member calendars: Customizable, forward events, set email reminders. 6. Polls/surveys with results: Result/poll archives? 7. Links page: Easily updated via online form (via admin back-end, see #12). 8. Blog homepage: News with ability to post photos or other dynamic content. News/blog archives are a must (via admin back-end, see #12.) 9. Photo gallery, with ability to pull galleries into other sections of site (i.e. sidebar with random image from particular gallery - when clicked, takes you to that particular gallery.) 10. Good SEO and SERPS placement: Related to #0. 12. Admin back-end. Maybe watered-down section for Client, and power-user section for the developers. Related to #3. Hopefully above list is not too confusing. Any ideas as to a CMS that would meet most of my needs? I can only code to a certain point until I am not worth the time... I fall more on the design end of the web developer spectrum anyway, so I am open to hiring a professional programmer to add/edit modules. Any CMS apps that are easily customizable? I am not a fan of, but my first thought is Joomla. I would greatly appreciate the advice. TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: Switch: BCC?: My: -- Wishlist: Switch: BCC?: My: ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Paul Noone wrote: It's www.opensourcecms.com http://www.opensourcecms.com , not .org. Ah, thanks for the correction. :) Go easy on the comparison check at cmsmatrix.org. If at first you get no results, whittle down your criteria (starting with Root and Sheel Login). Sounds good. So far I have found the site very helpful. Again, thanks for tip/link. :) So far as open source solutions go, Drupal and TYP03 can both easily handle what you want. If you've got someone in-house who can handle the development (some PHP and templating knowledge, as well as the learning curve) then I'd put my money on Drupal. At the moment, I do not have a programmer in mind. :( I am hoping a lot of this I can handle. Most of my CMS experience is with Expression Engine and Textpattern. Hmm, anyone know where one could look to higher dependable CMS developers? I am 80% confident I could handle development... but for this project, I would prefer to let someone with experience handle the setup while I focus on design/CSS/templating. It sounds like the best place to start looking for developers would be via the forums of the chosen CMS. But be warned, these are enterprise level CMSs. Good to hear warnings. If it is not too much trouble, could you expound on that statement a little? Many many thanks Paul, I greatly appreciate your (and everyone else's) advice and expertise knowledge. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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MySource Matrix is an Australian Company with offices in a UK, we are using here in Oz it is very popular with government organisations. I wouldn't think admin interface is accessible as it uses Java Applet to manage assets (that's what they call pages...) without that applet you couldn't do anything. They do however have two admin interfaces advanced and simple interface, simple interface most probably is compliant as it users forms and html, but is limited to editing content on the page and perfect for website editors. If you need to deal with designs listing and all advanced staff We love it here. Eric Dinkin Web Developer Parramatta City Council PO Box 32 Parramatta 2124 Phone: 9806 5215 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Parramatta First - The Leading City at the Heart of Sydney * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * cms@webstandardsgroup.org 16/11/2006 09:51 PM To cms@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:17:49 + Subject: MySource Matrix? I recently came across MySource Matrix. As it appears to be used by the AGIMO, I was wondering if anybody on the list here has been using it at all? And further, how accessible is the admin interface itself (not the output of the system)? The site mentions WCAG, but I didn't spot any reference to ATAG... http://matrix.squiz.net/ Cheers, P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:17:49 + Subject: MySource Matrix? I recently came across MySource Matrix. As it appears to be used by theAGIMO, I was wondering if anybody on the list here has been using it atall? And further, how accessible is the admin interface itself (not theoutput of the system)? The site mentions WCAG, but I didn't spot anyreference to ATAG...http://matrix.squiz.net/Cheers,P-- Patrick H. Lauke__re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively[latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.]www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.ukhttp://redux.deviantart.com__Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Forcehttp://webstandards.org/__ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Visit http://www.parracity.nsw.gov.au Attention: This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited by Parramatta City Council. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Council. Think before you print - help save our environment ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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They're a good bunch of lads, based in Sydney too. I checked them out a while ago when I came across a review of the company in Image Data Manager magazine. The only reason we went with another CMS is because we had no budget. I'd recommend giving them a call. They're very approachable. -- Paul A Noone Webmaster, ASHM [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 10:51 AM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:17:49 + Subject: MySource Matrix? I recently came across MySource Matrix. As it appears to be used by the AGIMO, I was wondering if anybody on the list here has been using it at all? And further, how accessible is the admin interface itself (not the output of the system)? The site mentions WCAG, but I didn't spot any reference to ATAG... http://matrix.squiz.net/ Cheers, P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
[WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Peter, apologies if this has already been answered. I'm on the digest and don't appear to be getting all thread replies. You're not just talking about inline but also in-place editing, right? Most environmental CMSs like Zope/Plone, Silvaand Midgard use the inline approach, meaning that a logged-in user can perform front-end editing of a page by clicking the appropriate 'edit' link/icon. These still require the page or a portion of it to be submitted. Kupu is no different, it merely uses an iframe/document head approach rather than the more traditionally triedand tested HTMLform. I saw an online demonstration of an editor which worked as you describe a coupld of years ago. It used Java (so was cross-platform) and updated changes to a page without having to re-submit either the page or an embedded URL. It even featured drag and drop content shuffling. I've got to say that at the time it completely blew me away. Sadly I can't relocate thesite for the life of me. :( If anyone does could they please post it back to the list? Cheers. --Paul A NooneVebmeister, ASHM[EMAIL PROTECTED]cms@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: From: "Peter Firminger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:35:56 +1100 Subject: AJAX Editor anyone? Hi CMSers, Does anyone know of an inline HTML editor that can be spawned similar to a Flickr deacription field (click the content or an icon to edit) for editing various discreet sections of content within a page? I can do it with text inputs and textareas but can't seem to fine one with an HTML editor. This needs to work cross platform/browser if possible. P ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
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How about: http://www.realobjects.com/edit-on-Pro-4.435.0.html -Original Message- From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:41 PM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:35:56 +1100 Subject: AJAX Editor anyone? Hi CMSers, Does anyone know of an inline HTML editor that can be spawned similar to a Flickr deacription field (click the content or an icon to edit) for editing various discreet sections of content within a page? I can do it with text inputs and textareas but can't seem to fine one with an HTML editor. This needs to work cross platform/browser if possible. P ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Kupu under Plone does a great job where I'm from. http://kupu.oscom.org/ Regards, Barney cms@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: From: Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:35:56 +1100 Subject: AJAX Editor anyone? Hi CMSers, Does anyone know of an inline HTML editor that can be spawned similar to a Flickr deacription field (click the content or an icon to edit) for editing various discreet sections of content within a page? I can do it with text inputs and textareas but can't seem to fine one with an HTML editor. This needs to work cross platform/browser if possible. P ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *From*: Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Date*: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:35:56 +1100 *Subject*: AJAX Editor anyone? Hi CMSers, Does anyone know of an inline HTML editor that can be spawned similar to a Flickr deacription field (click the content or an icon to edit) for editing various discreet sections of content within a page? I can do it with text inputs and textareas but can't seem to fine one with an HTML editor. This needs to work cross platform/browser if possible. P ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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I use CMS Made Simple. It's css based, uses xhtml, it's default template is accessible, but you can use your own template. It's got comments, rss, events calendar, image galleries, search but I don't know about donate. It's also really quick to set up. www.cmsmadesimple.org I am interested in a CMS that is: * XHTML Strict * Built-in Accessibility features. I also need one that has the following: * Blog with commenting * RSS syndication * Events calendar and option for people to sign up for events * Basic image galleries * Search options * Donation option in the future I was looking at Xaraya or Web GUI. But any advice would be much appreciated. ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Lynne,I ran across your input regarding WP being used as a cms tool and I agree with you. I'm interested to get your thoughts on using Movable Type as a CMS. BryanOn Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:16:38 1000, cms@webstandardsgroup.org cms@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: From: Lynne Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:58:00 +1200 Subject: Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.orgGetting off topic for Elle (who I hope has had enough ideas now to help with the decision), I'm going to add some comments about Wordpress.**Quoting Chris Williams : Don't want to come off as the WP zealot here, but some of the busiest blogs in the world are run on WP... It has the horsepower... Quoting Lawrence:But does it have the horsepower for 20,000+ articles ? (With dynamic caching) If so.. where do I get the bits and pieces to customise it to do exactly that ? The import scripts I'm using do correctly place the data. It's just the output and polling of the DB takes an awful long time.Worpdress is highly configurable and can handle large, busy blogs. BUT none of the freely available caching plugins is worth bothering with. If you wantdecent caching, you have to write your own. I like Wordpress for some uses,and use it as a CMS BUT would never want to manage thousands of articles with it simply because of the lack of structure in the backend. In thatregard, it really shows itself to be a blog, not a system designed formanaging content.Like everything, its a matter of choosing the tool best suited for the job in hand.Regards,Lynne**Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]** From: Lynne Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]gtDate: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:58:00 +1200Subject: Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.orgGetting off topic for Elle (who I hope has had enough ideas now to help with the decision), I'm going to add some comments about Wordpress. Quoting Chris Williams : Don't want to come off as the WP zealot here, but some of the busiest blogs in the world are run on WP... It has the horsepower...Quoting Lawrence: But does it have the horsepower for 20,000+ articles ? (With dynamic caching) If so.. where do I get the bits and pieces to customise it to do exactly that ?The import scripts I'm using do correctly place the data. It's just the outputand polling of the DB takes an awful long time. Worpdress is highly configurable and can handle large, busy blogs. BUT none of the freely available caching plugins is worth bothering with. If you want decent caching, you have to write your own. I like Wordpress for some uses, and use it as a CMS BUT would never want to manage thousands of articles with it simply because of the lack of structure in the backend. In that regard, it really shows itself to be a blog, not a system designed for managing content. Like everything, its a matter of choosing the tool best suited for the job in hand. Regards,Lynne **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]** **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
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And just as a final (from someone who regularly builds sites for NGOs) I'm going to give the same opinion I always do. Visit http://cmsmadsimple.org . This ripper of a CMS, though still in its infancy, has finally gone to v1.0.1. It assumes you, or someone else with XHTML/CSS knowledge, will build or modify the default templates but otherwise requires little technical expertise. It's accessibly by default (templates and WYSIWYG) and can be made even more so by the site developer. It's also covered by the GPL (read: free). It has a good News engine with an RSS option and everything else you're looking for. The one thing it's light on is a blog module. One exists but I've not tried it because I've never had the need. If a blog or forumis what you want then I would point you towards something more specific, like SimpleMachines or Wordpress. Ask yourself who your audience is and what sort of traffic you expect to get before making any decision. Also, if you've got no in-house technical expertise, you'll also want to strongly consider the platform requirements. --Paul A NooneWebmaster, ASHM[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2006 12:17 PMTo: cms@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: "Lynne Pope" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:58:00 +1200Subject: Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org Getting off topic for Elle (who I hope has had enough ideas now to help with the decision), I'm going to add some comments about Wordpress. Quoting Chris Williams : Don't want to come off as the WP zealot here, but some of the busiest blogs in the world are run on WP... It has the horsepower... Quoting Lawrence: But does it have the horsepower for 20,000+ articles ? (With dynamic caching)If so.. where do I get the bits and pieces to customise it to do exactly that ?The import scripts I'm using do correctly place the data. It's just the outputand polling of the DB takes an awful long time. Worpdress is highly configurable and can handle large, busy blogs. BUT none of the freely available caching plugins is worth bothering with. If you want decent caching, you have to write your own. I like Wordpress for some uses, and use it as a CMS BUT would never want to manage thousands of articles with it simply because of the lack of structure in the backend. In that regard, it really shows itself to be a blog, not a system designed for managing content. Like everything, its a matter of choosing the tool best suited for the job in hand. Regards,Lynne **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]** **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
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On 13 Sep 2006, at 00:57, Paul Noone wrote: And just as a final (from someone who regularly builds sites for NGOs) I'm going to give the same opinion I always do. Visit http://cmsmadsimple.org . This ripper of a CMS, though still in its infancy, has finally gone to v1.0.1. That link (well, piece of text beginning with http:) doesn't go anywhere. Did you mean http://cmsmadesimple.org/ by any chance? It's always worth checking these things before sending them to a large number of people ;-) -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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I tend to agree with Bruce, Movable Type _expression_ Engine WordpressDon't touch either Joomla or Mambo as neither of them meets your needs. Neither are accessible out-of-the-box' and neither can validate as XHTML Strict as no matter what your template is, there is too much hardcoding of inappropriate tables and other unneccessary rubbish. Drupal and CivicSpace are probably overkill for your needs. If you site is primarily a blog, look at blogging scripts. Very few CMS have robust blogging features. If you are new to CMS software the very last thing you need is to have to learn how to hack something to make it work for you. Look for whatever is the closest match to your needs that has good documentation and an active user forum to help you when you have questions. Definitely don't touch Xaraya. I use it and love it, but it is a framework on which you can build a CMS, it is not an out-of-the-box solution. While some people get by with the contributed modules, very few of these render as XHTML and editing modules is not a task for people who are new to either CMS or coding. Hope this helps.Regards,Lynne Hey, I am new to CMS and find it hard to select one that will work for me and my client (non-profit organisation) and thought I could use some advice. I am interested in a CMS that is: * XHTML Strict * Built-in Accessibility features. I also need one that has the following: * Blog with commenting * RSS syndication * Events calendar and option for people to sign up for events * Basic image galleries * Search options * Donation option in the future I was looking at Xaraya or Web GUI. But any advice would be much appreciated. Cheers, Elle **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
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Lynne Pope wrote: I tend to agree with Bruce, Movable Type Expression Engine Wordpress Don't touch either Joomla or Mambo as neither of them meets your needs. Neither are accessible out-of-the-box' and neither can validate as XHTML Strict as no matter what your template is, there is too much hardcoding of inappropriate tables and other unneccessary rubbish. Drupal and CivicSpace are probably overkill for your needs. If you site is primarily a blog, look at blogging scripts. Very few CMS have robust blogging features. If you are new to CMS software the very last thing you need is to have to learn how to hack something to make it work for you. Look for whatever is the closest match to your needs that has good documentation and an active user forum to help you when you have questions. Definitely don't touch Xaraya. I use it and love it, but it is a framework on which you can build a CMS, it is not an out-of-the-box solution. While some people get by with the contributed modules, very few of these render as XHTML and editing modules is not a task for people who are new to either CMS or coding. Hope this helps. Regards, Lynne Second what Lynne says.. Joomla, Mambo and the other Mambo variants don't provide out-of-box strict accessibility, and even if they did, that accessibility would not flow onto any or all of the third party functionality flowing around for these two systems. I develop in these systems and after retrofits for 2 years, it's becoming a tad passe to have the retrofits only affect core functionality. The core code and how it's structured in M/J remains fundamentally flawed against accessibility from where I stand. MT, Expression and WP, whilst functional for blogs *and* accessible, don't have the processing grunt of something like Drupal/CivicSpace.. which remains overkill even for a CMS. In that light, there is nothing in the mid-range CMS/AMS sphere as the major products in the midrange (Mambo, Joomla, Nukes and the like) don't come up to grade. Lawrence Meckan -- Lawrence Meckan Absalom Media Mob: (04) 1047 9633 ABN: 49 286 495 792 http://www.absalom.biz ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Title: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org The comments about joomla vs. wordpress are simply wrong. First, its an article about how to get wordpress to work inside joomla and why thats hard. Duh... As the old joke goes: if it hurts when you do that, dont do that. Second, WP is not customizable? Ummm, its open-source... Customize to your hearts content. See my site: http://clwill.com, tell me if it looks like WP? But its all WP, top to bottom. All searchable, all in a CMS. All free... Third, the list of things it cant do? Ummm... My site does them all, I believe?? Finally, I see from your sig, that you might have reason to support Joomla, as the operator of the Joomla shack, and someone who makes a living off it... :) From: Barrie North [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org Thoughts on Wordpress http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog/joomla-reviews/why-you-want-to-use-joomla-instead-of-wordpress.html (not quite on topic, a post about the wordpress tool for Joomla. Regardless, Joomla is designed to be extended, I would argue WP is not) Barrie North www.joomlashack.com http://www.joomlashack.com www.compassdesigns.net http://www.compassdesigns.net Phone: (802) 291-3973 Fax: (802) 609-0427 World Class Professional Web Services with Joomla Read the Joomla Blog www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
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Don't want to come off as the WP zealot here, but some of the busiest blogs in the world are run on WP... It has the horsepower... From: Absalom Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org MT, Expression and WP, whilst functional for blogs *and* accessible, don't have the processing grunt of something like Drupal/CivicSpace.. which remains overkill even for a CMS. ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Title: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org Forgot to mention that my site was achieved without modifying core WP code. Its all a theme and one small plug-in (about 30 lines of code). From: Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org Second, WP is not customizable? Ummm, its open-source... Customize to your hearts content. See my site: http://clwill.com, tell me if it looks like WP? But its all WP, top to bottom. All searchable, all in a CMS. All free... **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
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Quote: MT, Expression and WP, whilst functional for blogs *and* accessible, don't have the processing grunt of something like Drupal/CivicSpace.. which remains overkill even for a CMS. As the original one recommending the above, I would say this thread is going too far and becoming pointless, as I can only say the above is utter nonsense. Now everyone will jump in and defend their favorite: especially those with a vested interest in defending their own. Opinions opinions, all entitled to them, but this will go noplace.. You are entitled to my opinion though ;) Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org Don't want to come off as the WP zealot here, but some of the busiest blogs in the world are run on WP... It has the horsepower... From: Absalom Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org MT, Expression and WP, whilst functional for blogs *and* accessible, don't have the processing grunt of something like Drupal/CivicSpace.. which remains overkill even for a CMS. ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Getting off topic for Elle (who I hope has had enough ideas now to help with the decision), I'm going to add some comments about Wordpress. Quoting Chris Williams : Don't want to come off as the WP zealot here, but some of the busiest blogs in the world are run on WP... It has the horsepower...Quoting Lawrence: But does it have the horsepower for 20,000+ articles ? (With dynamic caching) If so.. where do I get the bits and pieces to customise it to do exactly that ?The import scripts I'm using do correctly place the data. It's just the outputand polling of the DB takes an awful long time. Worpdress is highly configurable and can handle large, busy blogs. BUT none of the freely available caching plugins is worth bothering with. If you want decent caching, you have to write your own. I like Wordpress for some uses, and use it as a CMS BUT would never want to manage thousands of articles with it simply because of the lack of structure in the backend. In that regard, it really shows itself to be a blog, not a system designed for managing content. Like everything, its a matter of choosing the tool best suited for the job in hand. Regards,Lynne **Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]**
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Joomla also. Though it would be transitional rather than strict validation Barrie North www.joomlashack.com www.compassdesigns.net Phone: (802) 291-3973 Fax: (802) 609-0427 World Class Professional Web Services with Joomla Read the Joomla Blog www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog cms@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: From: "Mark Wonsil" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:13:30 -0400 Subject: RE: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS I am interested in a CMS that is: * XHTML Strict * Built-in Accessibility features. I also need one that has the following: * Blog with commenting * RSS syndication * Events calendar and option for people to sign up for events * Basic image galleries * Search options * Donation option in the future I was looking at Xaraya or Web GUI. But any advice would be much appreciated. CivicSpace was designed to do all of these. It is built on Drupal. You can demo either at: CivicSpace: http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=510 Drupal: http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=132 Mark W. From: "Bruce" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 02:20:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS After years of studying them all I use three: Movable Type _expression_ Engine Wordpress In that order. Reasons? They are easily configurable and accessible systems which allow changes and additions very easily. Any cms you are thinking of, spend some time studying the templates and menu systems. Are they easy to access and make changes or are they all over the place? Any besides these I have found to be basically nuke lookalikes. Complex, templates inside templates and inconfigurable without a steep learning curve that just isn't worth it. I agree totally with Jeff Veen: Making A Better Open Source CMS http://www.veen.com/jeff/archives/000622.html been there done that. You can make any system strict if you want. Events calendar just add one on. Or get one with an events calendar and spend two weeks trying to configure and learn the rest of it Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: "Elle Meredith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS Hey, I am new to CMS and find it hard to select one that will work for me and my client (non-profit organisation) and thought I could use some advice. I am interested in a CMS that is: * XHTML Strict * Built-in Accessibility features. I also need one that has the following: * Blog with commenting * RSS syndication * Events calendar and option for people to sign up for events * Basic image galleries * Search options * Donation option in the future I was looking at Xaraya or Web GUI. But any advice would be much appreciated. Cheers, Elle ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** From: "Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:34:28 +0200 Subject: RE: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:listdad@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mark Wonsil Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 4:13 AM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS CivicSpace was designed to do all of these. It is built on Drupal. You can demo either at: CivicSpace: http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=510 Drupal: http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=132 Roberto Scano: Also their backend conform to accessibility requirements? From: "c h a i m" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:50:01 +0200 Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS CivicSpace was designed to do all of these. It is built on Drupal, but has not been updated to work with the last 3 Latest releases including the current Drupal 4.7.3 On 9/8/06, Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:listdad@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mark Wonsil Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 4:13 AM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS CivicSpace was designed to do all of these. It is built on Drupal. You can demo either at: CivicSpace: http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=510 Drupal: http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=132 Roberto Scano: Also their backend conform to accessibility requirements? ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mambo / Joomla are junk, and to be avoided, in my opinion. They both lock you into a particular template, and use tables for layout. -- Nathan Smith 208 348 2213 - w 859 229 9587 - m http://sonspring.com ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Nathan Smith wrote: Mambo / Joomla are junk, and to be avoided, in my opinion. They both lock you into a particular template, and use tables for layout. That is what I thought. Joomla was an installation headache for my and my server... Thanks, but no thanks - pass. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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Hi, I'm away on holiday until September 17 but will get back to you upon my return. Regards John ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
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CMS Made Simple is now the only CMS I bother with. It's still in it's infancy (about to go to v1.0) but is more solid and accessible than any other I've used to date. As the name suggests, it's also dead simple to use. --Paul A NooneWebmaster, ASHM[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 June 2006 12:23 PMTo: cms@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: "tee g.peng" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:18:34 -0700Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Etomite CMSOn Jun 3, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Steve Olive wrote: I will be keeping an eye on Etomite - I currently use phpWebSite for my CMS but it only produces XHTML transitional text/html.Here is an example page from a site I'd been working on that uses XHTM strict 1.0, the contents there are generated from snippets and chunks and the page is validated.http://www.decorsit.com.my/index.php?id=17As a new CMS user, I am very impressed as I spent countless hours playing with Mamboo, Joolmla, phpWebsite and a few more that I can't even remember their names now, all of them either offer too much or generate codes that can't validate and of table layouts.teeFrom: "=?UTF-8?Q?=E9=83=91=E7=8E=89=E8=90=8D(Tee_G._Peng)?=" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:26:44 -0700Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] Etomite CMSOn 6/2/06, RobS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: You might also want to have a look at ModX, a development from Etomite which shares much of the backend still, and like Etomite, generates compliant code... Hi Rob, I had a look at ModX. It seems at its infancy though. I knowvery little about PHP and _javascript_, therefore can only feelconfident to use a CMS that is fully mature and have active users,also, plenty of modules or snippets and chunks at my disposal :)Cheers,tee*The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/* *The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/*
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This is also another solution that is powerful, yet simple and web standards and also built from the guys at TextDrive. http://textpattern.com/ Buddy cms@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: From: "tee g.peng" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:02:48 -0700 Subject: Etomite CMS Hi everyone, this list is very quiet. I would like to hear from those who have plenty of CMSs experiences or who are CMS developers, how do you think of Etomite CMS. Many months, I tried different type of Opensource CMS but cannot find one that I really think works for me. I need something that is web standard compliant, that can generate clean code with strict doctype and has full CSS support, more importantly, a CMS that doesn't offer too much and easy to learn to use it. Finally, I found Etomite which suites my need very well and would like to use it for all future projects. http://www.etomite.org/ tee * The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * From: "tee g.peng" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:02:48 -0700 Subject: Etomite CMS Hi everyone, this list is very quiet. I would like to hear from those who have plenty of CMSs experiences or who are CMS developers, how do you think of Etomite CMS. Many months, I tried different type of Opensource CMS but cannot find one that I really think works for me. I need something that is web standard compliant, that can generate clean code with strict doctype and has full CSS support, more importantly, a CMS that doesn't offer too much and easy to learn to use it. Finally, I found Etomite which suites my need very well and would like to use it for all future projects. http://www.etomite.org/ tee * The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * *The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/*
