Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-10 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Well, I'm turning e-mail addresses to things like this: foo (at) exam­ple.com and sometimes even mixing up with not only &#xxx entities but some %xx URI-encoded chars, and the goddamn bots still get some of these :/" --- Yep. I quit using that type of

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-10 Thread Jan Brasna
So, the redeeming feature of your script might be your use of the @ :) Well, I'm turning e-mail addresses to things like this: foo (at) exam­ple.com and sometimes even mixing up with not only &#xxx entities but some %xx URI-encoded chars, and the goddamn bots still get some of these :/ Anti

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-10 Thread Lea de Groot
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: > The level of viablity is what I'm after at this point. Do all spam-bots > disguise themselves as common UAs? One fellow doing a fair bit of research in this area is incredibill - http://incredibill.blogspot.com/ (umm, language warning...) He might have informati

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Lachlan Hunt wrote: > The response looks like the following: > (I changed the e-mail address and removed unnecessary headers) > > HTTP/1.x 302 Object moved > Location: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Content-Type: text/html > > Object moved > Object MovedThis object may be found HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PRO

RE: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread Steve Green
D] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: 09 June 2006 16:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think the most recent stats quote a figure of only 75% or so - 1 in > 4 are not going to be

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Lachlan Hunt wrote: There are various techniques used, such as: 1. Writing the e-mail with JavaScript 2. Encoding characters using percent-encoding in mailto: URIs 3. Encoding characters as HTML character references. 4. Interspersing markup within the e-mail address. e.g. user@example.com 5. Wr

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: The simple fact is that no solution will be completely foolproof. It's like the problems with CAPTCHAs. Spammers continually work to find workarounds for them and nothing you do will be 100% effective. Mike's article gave me an idea; but I don't kno

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Lachlan Hunt wrote: > The simple fact is that no solution will be completely foolproof. > It's like the problems with CAPTCHAs. Spammers continually work to > find workarounds for them and nothing you do will be 100% effective. Mike's article gave me an idea; but I don't know much about spambots'

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think the most recent stats quote a figure of only 75% or so - 1 in 4 > are not going to be happy! Do you have a citation for that figure? Because I've been working with Web technology since before JavaScript existed, and I've never seen so much as *one* non-technica

RE: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread michael.brockington
I think the most recent stats quote a figure of only 75% or so - 1 in 4 are not going to be happy! Mike > -Original Message- > From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Lachlan's > solution seems pretty effective for the 98% of us wit

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: The simple fact is that no solution will be completely foolproof. It's like the problems with CAPTCHAs. Spammers continually work to find workarounds for them and nothing you do will be 100% effective. Mike's article gave me an idea; but I don't kno

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-09 Thread kvnmcwebn
Hello can somebody with a mac on ie check this site for me, i got a complaint from a user with that browser. I had to basically through this site up in an unfinished state because of a brutal deadline. http://www.eaf.ie/ -kevin ** The dis

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Joshua Street
On 6/9/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It should prevent the simple workarounds I outlined in my previous e-mail for technique 1 because of the extra dependence upon user interaction. But all it would take is for a spam bot to simulate either a keypress or mouse movement to indicate

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Michael Cordover
On 6/9/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The simple fact is that no solution will be completely foolproof. It's like the problems with CAPTCHAs. Spammers continually work to find workarounds for them and nothing you do will be 100% effective. *Possible Techniques* There are various

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Lachlan Hunt wrote: > The simple fact is that no solution will be completely foolproof. > It's like the problems with CAPTCHAs. Spammers continually work to > find workarounds for them and nothing you do will be 100% effective. Mike's article gave me an idea; but I don't know much about spambots'

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Lachlan Hunt wrote: There are various techniques used, such as: 1. Writing the e-mail with JavaScript 2. Encoding characters using percent-encoding in mailto: URIs 3. Encoding characters as HTML character references. 4. Interspersing markup within the e-mail address. e.g. user@example.com 5. Wr

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Do all spam-bots disguise themselves as common UAs? Common or the exception to the rule? Does anyone have a handle on numbers or some percentages? That is impossible to determine because, by their very nature, there is no apparent distinguishing feature between a

Re: [WSG] UPDATE TO: Using PHP to hide email, script made, testing needed

2006-06-08 Thread James Laugesen
I've rarely seen weird user agents (suggesting spam bots) hitting any of my hosted sites, but definitely seen a lot of spam find it's way through them. So I dare-say yes, user agent spoofing is very common... I'd even say "the norm". All the user agent information is simply sent in the header of th