Re: [WSG] background overlapping

2006-11-03 Thread Germ
aaa yes that helps a lot, thanks for thatOn 11/3/06, Peter Asquith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/11/2006, at 4:17 PM, Germ wrote: Im designing a website for my university design exhibition and it looks fine in IE (6 i think it is) but in firefox the bunch of links overlap the white content

[WSG] Legal or Ilegal

2006-11-03 Thread kate
Hya, I have a domain 'jungaling.com. Its a web site (eventually about Asia's flora and fauna. Someone else has the domain 'Wild Asia'. I found for the Mambo this awesome template. Its green, the logo has a beautiful Butterfly and under that is the name 'Digital Eye'. I want to change the Digital

Re: [WSG] Legal or Ilegal

2006-11-03 Thread Steve Olive
On 11/3/06, kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hya,I have a domain 'jungaling.com. Its a web site (eventually about Asia'sflora and fauna. Someone else has the domain 'Wild Asia'.I found for the Mambo this awesome template. Its green, the logo has a beautiful Butterfly and under that is the name

Re: [WSG] Legal or Ilegal

2006-11-03 Thread Lachlan Hunt
kate wrote: I found for the Mambo this awesome template. Its green, the logo has a beautiful Butterfly and under that is the name 'Digital Eye'. I want to change the Digital Eye to Wild Asia is this legal? Questions about legal issues, like copyright, are off-topic for this list. Check the

Re: [WSG] Legal or Ilegal

2006-11-03 Thread Brian Cummiskey
kate wrote: I want to change the Digital Eye to Wild Asia is this legal? Not without permission to do so. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] Legal or Ilegal

2006-11-03 Thread kate
Ok thanks Lachlan Kate - Original Message - From: Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Legal or Ilegal kate wrote: I found for the Mambo this awesome template. Its green, the logo has a beautiful

Re: [WSG] Legal or Ilegal

2006-11-03 Thread kate
Hya Steve, Being new to WSG and first post I made an error asking that question. I got it from a Mambo source which is open source. I can buy into Template club to get the PSD but asking around the graphic was too complicated to edit the text which DE said would be ok. Anyway I believe

Re: [WSG] Legal or Ilegal

2006-11-03 Thread kate
Hya Brian, They know about the change of text and maybe, just maybe they hinted they would do the change for me this morning when I went to the forum.The question now is to what? The site is about Asia wildlife etc. Thanks Brian. Kate - Original Message - From: Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL

[WSG] IE Issues (margin/padding)

2006-11-03 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Hi All, http://rahulgonsalves.com/v2/ I have another version here, with the columns background shown, to help you see how out of alignment it is in IE: http://rahulgonsalves.com/v2/columns.html The page displays as intended in Opera and Firefox 2, but in IE is a *mess*. I don't quite know

Re: [WSG] Rotten Standardistas

2006-11-03 Thread Barney Carroll
Andreas, you elucidate what I mean pretty well. Christian - I know it's a shame that the only way I could express myself somehow makes standardistas look bad through implication. I don't want to give that idea at all. As for naming and shaming, I object to the notion strongly. The kind of

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Mel
on 03/11/2006 00:59 Matthew Hodgson said the following: snip In the end, we learned the following lessons about vision impaired users and screen readers: a) Only a completely blind person used the screen reader. snip Although you were talking about visually-impaired users and screen

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Mel
on 03/11/2006 07:50 kate said the following: What about users with cognitive disibilities? Its a very wide catagorie which includes, simple dyslexia to extreme mental retardation. Apparently these people regularly use the web as a primary imformation source so must be considered. Would they

Re: [WSG] IE Issues (margin/padding)

2006-11-03 Thread John Faulds
For your home page, this in base.css: body { text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; width: 770px;} seems to be conflicting with what you're trying to do in index.css. On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:59:31 +1000, Rahul Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, http://rahulgonsalves.com/v2/ I have

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Bruce wrote: I have been following this with great interest. What I have been considering (I know its been covered before) is putting a link at the top of the page, go to text version Go to menu I would think that screen reader users would find that a good addition to be able to read an

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Barney Carroll
Which is semantically worse, and why? 1. Just manually putting the extra space in the markup. 2. Manually putting an extra inline element around the full stop and styling said element to create a presentational space. To me, they seem just as bad as each other - in the first instance because

Re: [WSG] IE Issues (margin/padding)

2006-11-03 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
John Faulds wrote: For your home page, this in base.css: body { text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; width: 770px;} seems to be conflicting with what you're trying to do in index.css. Whoops! Thanks for catching that - I meant to make the pages dependent on completely separate style

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Barney Carroll
@ Rahul: The preference thing is very strange. I read another small study where the findings indicated that the 2nd biggest problem for screen reader users was to find that the nav wasn't the first thing available. I'll try to find the article. My conjecture prior to this would be that,

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Barney Carroll
@Matthew Hodgson: That's brilliantly useful information, Matthew. It is interesting you mention screen magnifying, because it is my company's policy to use ems as measurements as far as possible, based on the conjecture that partially-sighted people would probably want to increase their

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Bruce wrote: I would think that screen reader users would find that a good addition to be able to read an article in text only, and a shortcut to scan articles which also have brief title tags in addition to descriptive titles. In my design content comes first already... Not really at

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Rob Kirton
BarneyThere is effectively no semantic difference. To stop the spread of grey goo on the net, the only semantics we shoud be worried about are those which are picked up by search engines, and a span class=sentence means equally as little as nbsp;nbsp; to these. It is also of little consequence to

Re: [WSG] IE Issues (margin/padding)

2006-11-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rahul Gonsalves wrote: http://rahulgonsalves.com/v2/columns.html The page displays as intended in Opera and Firefox 2, but in IE is a *mess*. I don't quite know where to start, I wonder whether anybody has any solutions? 1. Why is the header (Rahul Gonsalves...) so much lower in IE? Fix?

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Barney Carroll
Rahul Gonsalves wrote: This article seems to be good food for thought (and it references the earlier study that I did ;-) ). http://www.alistapart.com/articles/workingwithothers It was after reading this that I found the guts to question Talibani standards tyrants. It's an absolutely

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Mel
on 03/11/2006 10:50 Rahul Gonsalves said the following: snip http://www.usability.com.au/resources/ozewai2005/ I wonder whether any of the conclusions that were drawn in the study, are still valid, or whether there has been further research to either supplement or contradict it?

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread Mel
on 03/11/2006 11:18 Barney Carroll said the following: snip By the way, could anyone elaborate on what tab-indexing is? And how does the Alt+# system work? These seem to be crucial elements of screen reader browsing but I have a very limited grasp of their convention and application.

[WSG] Real world font sizing

2006-11-03 Thread Tony Crockford
Just to clear up my confusion. I've been in the habit of setting font-size on body to 100.01% because AIUI it stops IE doing silly small font sizes when you use ems elsewhere and the .01 is for Opera and a weird rounding issue. recently I picked up the habit of setting body to 62.5% from

Re: [WSG] Real world font sizing

2006-11-03 Thread Rob Kirton
TonyI would stick with the original approach and then re-size up using ems. The clagnut article recommended first scaling everything down to 62.5% for ease of calculation when scaling back up using ems. The premise was that a 'default' text size of 16pt would be scaled down to 10pt and then you

Re: [WSG] IE Issues (margin/padding)

2006-11-03 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Rahul Gonsalves wrote: http://rahulgonsalves.com/v2/index.html 1. Why is the header (Rahul Gonsalves...) so much lower in IE? Fix? To fix it, add... #logo p#access {float: left; width: 100%;} Note the specificity. 2. The h2s are all out of alignment. Does this have

Re: [WSG] Rotten Standardistas

2006-11-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On 11/3/06, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas, you elucidate what I mean pretty well. Christian - I know it's a shame that the only way I could express myself somehow makes standardistas look bad through implication. I don't want to give that idea at all. As for naming and shaming,

Re: [WSG] Articles/reasearch/experience of screen readers

2006-11-03 Thread russ - maxdesign
http://www.usability.com.au/resources/ozewai2005/ I wonder whether any of the conclusions that were drawn in the study, are still valid, or whether there has been further research to either supplement or contradict it? Specifically, one observation, The majority of screen reader users

Re: [WSG] Real world font sizing

2006-11-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/3/06, Rob Kirton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do believe that somebody else (can't find source right now) suggested first scaling down to 76% and then resizing up. Not for ease of calculation, as per clagnut, but as a result of empirical tests which showed that this produced the most

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-11-03 Thread Rob Scherer
Hi, I'm out of the office and will return on Wednesday 8 November. I look forward to responding to your query on Wednesday. Regards Rob Scherer Seek Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

[WSG] Are we turning the tide?

2006-11-03 Thread Chris Taylor
Derek recently said: Perhaps we are doing a pretty darn good job. Sadly though, we are not in the majority. And therein lies the difficulty. When we talk about we doing a pretty darn good job, we're talking about - what - maybe 5% of web professionals worldwide? More, less? I'm not sure but

Re: [WSG] Are we turning the tide?

2006-11-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/3/06, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how are we doing, does anybody know? I'd be very interested to seeeven rough figures on the percentage of standards andaccessibility-aware designers/developers compared to others. AdmittedlyI spend my time reading, writing and talking with other

Re: [WSG] Real world font sizing

2006-11-03 Thread ~davidLaakso
Tony Crockford wrote: Just to clear up my confusion. I've been in the habit of setting font-size on body to 100.01% because AIUI it stops IE doing silly small font sizes when you use ems elsewhere and the .01 is for Opera and a weird rounding issue. recently I picked up the habit of setting

Re: [WSG] Are we turning the tide?

2006-11-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On 11/3/06, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/3/06, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how are we doing, does anybody know? I'd be very interested to see even rough figures on the percentage of standards and accessibility-aware designers/developers compared to others.

[WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Hello there, I've been putting my CV together but I don't have a mac for testing, a friend of mine who does said that when the page loads up in safari it immediately jumps to where it says 'Web designer and developer'. I'm stumped as to what might be causing it. The page in question is at

Re: [WSG] Real world font sizing

2006-11-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2006/11/03 12:41 (GMT) Tony Crockford apparently typed: I've been in the habit of setting font-size on body to 100.01% because AIUI it stops IE doing silly small font sizes when you use ems elsewhere and the .01 is for Opera and a weird rounding issue. Wasn't Opera fixed in that regard

Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread James Crooke
Nice page Rob, I like the scrolling mark-up. On 11/3/06, Rob O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there, I've been putting my CV together but I don't have a mac for testing,a friend of mine who does said that when the page loads up in safari it immediately jumps to where it says 'Web designer

RE: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Steve Green
I'm running Safari 2.0 and it does jump. However, it does not jump immediately. When you hover over a link the page reloads and this is when it jumps (not always to the same place). The same happens if you press the Tab key after the page loads. It does this even if JavaScript is turned off.

Re: [WSG] IE Issues (margin/padding)

2006-11-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rahul Gonsalves wrote: http://rahulgonsalves.com/v2/index.html The only small, niggling thing left is that whenever there is a paragraph preceded by a h2, it seems to be adjusted, only by a pixel or two, to the right. Any ideas as to how I could fix this? It's a small thing, but since the

Re: [WSG] Real world font sizing

2006-11-03 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 3 Nov 2006, at 16:32:27, Felix Miata wrote: 3-IE truncates the 62.5% to 62%: http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/bugs/browsers/css/IE-Win/ ie_percent_test.html Just a quick note: this remains the case in IE 7. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/

Re: [WSG] Real world font sizing

2006-11-03 Thread Tony Crockford
Felix Miata wrote: Consider asking the client if he has troubled himself to appropriately adjust his own browser(s) so that unstyled text is the size he prefers. Once he understands that this is the right thing to assume everyone has done, even though some subset of the universe actually goes to

[WSG] Legal or Ilegal

2006-11-03 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
Return Receipt Your [WSG] Legal or Ilegal document:

Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Steve Green wrote: I'm running Safari 2.0 and it does jump. However, it does not jump immediately. When you hover over a link the page reloads and this is when it jumps (not always to the same place). The same happens if you press the Tab key after the page loads. It does this even if JavaScript

Re: [WSG] IE 7 freezes liquid, jello

2006-11-03 Thread David Hucklesby
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:23:49 +0800, Nick Cowie wrote: I would expect my layout to expand beyond the browser window width when zoomed (either page zoom in IE or Opera or text zoom in any browser), my layout width is em based and uses a little javascript when the page is loading to change the

RE: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Steve Green
Wow, it's even worse now (or maybe it would have done this before but I never tried it). If I hover the mouse over a link and leave it there, the page continuously reloads and it jumps up and down between the Cocktail Bartender and Web Designer subheadings. It gets slower and slower till the

Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Steve Green wrote: Wow, it's even worse now (or maybe it would have done this before but I never tried it). If I hover the mouse over a link and leave it there, the page continuously reloads and it jumps up and down between the Cocktail Bartender and Web Designer subheadings. It gets slower and

Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 3 Nov 2006, at 19:13:00, Rob O'Rourke wrote: Steve Green wrote: Wow, it's even worse now (or maybe it would have done this before but I never tried it). If I hover the mouse over a link and leave it there, the page continuously reloads and it jumps up and down between the Cocktail

RE: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Steve Green
It seems better but when I hover over a link it still reloads, jumps down to the Cocktail Bartender subheading then up to the Web Designer subheading. At least it doesn't bounce up and down continuously and crash the browser. Steve -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Rob O'Rourke
It's now jumping on load to the bit where you have: object style=display:none; data=#robert-orourke class=include type=text/html/object just before h3 class=summary titleWeb Designer and Developer/h3 so it looks like something to do with the object referencing part of the page via a URL

[WSG] Off-Topic: Javascript for Dummies

2006-11-03 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Greetings and sorry for the off topic post. On this page: http://essay.sitesbyjoe.com/create_account.asp I'm trying to set focus on the first field in the form. It should be simple, but I can't get the darn thing to work! My javascript: function create_account_focus() { var

Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Steve Green wrote: It seems better but when I hover over a link it still reloads, jumps down to the Cocktail Bartender subheading then up to the Web Designer subheading. At least it doesn't bounce up and down continuously and crash the browser. Steve Is that even with the objects removed?

Re: [WSG] Off-Topic: Javascript for Dummies

2006-11-03 Thread Anders Nawroth
Joseph R. B. Taylor: my_field.focus; my_field.focus(); /AndersN *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle

2006-11-03 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Steve Green wrote: No, it's ok now. My last post was before you removed the objects. Steve WooHoo! I was all ready to drown my sorrows in lager but this deserves a martini =] Nice one Rob O *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Are we turning the tide?

2006-11-03 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Dwain Alford wrote: Where I am (Ithaca NY), there's very little CSS-based work; they even teach outdated practices: http://www.christianmontoya.com/2006/11/02/advanced-html/ where i am (winfield, alabama) they still use frames and tables and do it wysiwyg. they know nothing of

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Nathan de Vries
As a new member to this list, I can't believe throwing span class=sentence / around EVERY SENTENCE IN YOUR CONTENT is being seen as even a remotely valid solution. Is the use of Javascript frowned upon on this list? Why not use that? -- Nathan de Vries

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Joshua Street
On 11/4/06, Nathan de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a new member to this list, I can't believe throwing span class=sentence / around EVERY SENTENCE IN YOUR CONTENT is being seen as even a remotely valid solution. Is the use of Javascript frowned upon on this list? Why not use that? How is

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On 11/3/06, Nathan de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a new member to this list, I can't believe throwing span class=sentence / around EVERY SENTENCE IN YOUR CONTENT is being seen as even a remotely valid solution. Is the use of Javascript frowned upon on this list? Why not use that? Because

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Nathan de Vries
On 04/11/2006, at 1:22 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: Because the solution (yes, solution for a silly problem) has to work when the document is PRINTED. That means that it has to be either a plain HTML or print CSS technique. When I open up my favorite website in either IE, Opera, Firefox or

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On 11/3/06, Nathan de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/11/2006, at 1:22 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: Because the solution (yes, solution for a silly problem) has to work when the document is PRINTED. That means that it has to be either a plain HTML or print CSS technique. When I open up

Re: [WSG] Additional space between sentences ?

2006-11-03 Thread Nathan de Vries
On 04/11/2006, at 2:13 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: Oh, in that case it's fine, but it's not really a big difference. Not a big difference? Unnecessary spans wrapped around every sentence in your content seems a _little_ bit different to plain content with post-processing done by