Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Hi Suchith,

Thanks for following up on this issue.
I propose we organize a joint OSGeo-Live, SAC meeting on IRC.
How about:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015=11=13=21=0=0=26=179=240=137=37

Best,
Angelos

On 11/10/2015 01:20 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

Hi Angelos,

May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. As 
you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  and 
contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.

Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education globally 
, there is definitely help in  easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for those running OSGeo 
workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this 
service.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's "next 
steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or so), but ask 
workshop providers and other users to pay for the service in moving forward.
This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur if someone 
stands up and champions its development.  Do we have someone interested to do 
the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up if interested). It certainly would 
be a valuable contribution to the OSGeo community.


Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Angelos,

Thanks for this. We will meet in IRC at the time you suggested to discuss with 
all interested from OSGeo-Live and SAC. Talk details then.

Best wishes,

Suchith

From: Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:28 PM
To: Suchith Anand; OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Hi Suchith,

Thanks for following up on this issue.
I propose we organize a joint OSGeo-Live, SAC meeting on IRC.
How about:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015=11=13=21=0=0=26=179=240=137=37

Best,
Angelos

On 11/10/2015 01:20 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Hi Angelos,
>
> May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. 
> As you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  
> and contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.
>
> Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
> this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
> the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education 
> globally , there is definitely help in  easily organising the 
> practical/tutorial sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more 
> universities start teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for 
> those running OSGeo workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  
> etc can make use of this service.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
> 
> From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
> Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that 
> runs the OSGeo-Live VM
>
> Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to 
> these discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider 
> community and users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  
> how they would use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.
>
> That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
> community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
> OSGeo-Live release.
>
> All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
> OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
> education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let 
> us all know. Thanks.
>
> Suchith
>
> 
> From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
> Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
> To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that 
> runs the OSGeo-Live VM
>
> I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:
>
> 1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
> http://www.synnefo.org/
> So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and 
> have a Free Software solution.
> Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
> https://www.openstack.org/software/
> We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.
>
> 2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
> https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/
>
> Any other options in mind?
>
> Best,
> Angelos
>
>
> On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
> "next steps" question:
>
> On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think 
> is the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far 
> and reply to the public lists.Thanks.
>
> Suchith
> If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
> service, I suggest we consider:
>
> 1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
> I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
> use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is 
> a sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with 
> each OSGeo-Live release.
>
> 2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
> Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and 
> will set up a Proof-of-Concept.
>
> 3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use 
> model? Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking 
> workshop providers to pay for the service?
> 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Forgot to mention meeting place: #osgeo channel on Freenode.

On 11/11/2015 10:02 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

Hi Angelos,

Thanks for this. We will meet in IRC at the time you suggested to discuss with 
all interested from OSGeo-Live and SAC. Talk details then.

Best wishes,

Suchith

From: Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:28 PM
To: Suchith Anand; OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Hi Suchith,

Thanks for following up on this issue.
I propose we organize a joint OSGeo-Live, SAC meeting on IRC.
How about:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015=11=13=21=0=0=26=179=240=137=37

Best,
Angelos

On 11/10/2015 01:20 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

Hi Angelos,

May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. As 
you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  and 
contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.

Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education globally 
, there is definitely help in  easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for those running OSGeo 
workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this 
service.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's "next 
steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

btw on a rough estimate i would think there are atleast over 50 hands on 
workshops each year in various FOSS4G conferences (global, regional, local) 
plus 100s of  geoeducation workshops/ training events globally happening in 
various universities/training etc which will find this useful. So it will be of 
the benefit  for the whole OSGeo community. But it will need some dedicated 
volunteers to invest their time and efforts to make this happen.

Suchith



From: Discuss [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Suchith Anand 
[suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:20 AM
To: gcpp.kal...@gmail.com; OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; 
ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud 
service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

Hi Angelos,

May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. As 
you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  and 
contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.

Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education globally 
, there is definitely help in  easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for those running OSGeo 
workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this 
service.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Angelos,

May i suggest that you goahead and explore the option 1 that you suggested. As 
you are knowledgeable and have the expertise on this, please lead this  and 
contact SAC to explore ideas/options to move these ideas forward.

Thank you again for coming forward and volunteering your time and efforts for 
this. I believe this will be a big benefit for our education efforts and also 
the wider community in the future. Esp .for universities and education globally 
, there is definitely help in  easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This will also help in our aim to get more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also it will be useful  for those running OSGeo 
workshops/training at events (not just FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this 
service.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Suchith Anand [suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:41 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or so), but ask 
workshop providers and other users to pay for the service in moving forward.
This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur if someone 
stands up and champions its development.  Do we have someone interested to do 
the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up if interested). It certainly would 
be a valuable contribution to the OSGeo community.


Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
> OSGeo-Live VM
not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an asset - any
demo just needs to show a URL then.


>
>  2.What 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Hi Toni,

For universities and education globally , there is definitely big need/demand 
for OSGeo-Live cloud service for easily organising the practical/tutorial 
sessions  . This is only going to increase rapidly as more universities start 
teaching using OSGeo software. Also for those running MOOC programs in 
Geospatial Science, this will be great benefit (esp. for scalability).  Also it 
will be useful  for those running OSGeo workshops/training at events (not just 
FOSS4G events)  etc can make use of this service.

>From Angelos and Peter's mail , there are some good developments and interest 
>that we can follow up. But i would think there might be many others who will 
>be also interested to join efforts. So it is good time to anyone interested to 
>come forward and contribute to joint efforts.

Best wishes,

Suchith



From: Antoni Pérez Navarro [aper...@uoc.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:06 AM
To: Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org; disc...@lists.osgeo.org; 
suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

Sorry for being so late to the discussion.

Since we are a distance university, for us is very important a cloud service. 
Although OsGeoLive can be downloaded by students, sometimes we preferred to 
prepare the machine by ourselves in order all the students have exactly the 
same.
We tested virtual machines distributed, but they were too heavy for some 
students (we have students in very remote zones). Then we created an Amazon 
virtual machine with some applications of OsGEO Live, but it was worse, since 
it was too slow.

Unfortunately, now our postgraduate is closed and will not be able to test 
these new tools with students.

Toni


Antoni Pérez Navarro
Estudis d'Informàtica, Multimèdia i Telecomunicació
Universitat Oberta de Catalunya

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--- Missatge original de Suchith Anand  per a 
live-demo ,"ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org" 
,OSGeo Discussions  
enviat el 18.10.2015 15:41

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith

From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Suchith Anand]

Thanks Cameron, Angelos, Giuseppe , Peter and everyone who contributed to these 
discussions. I am ccing this to discuss list so that the wider community and 
users who want a cloud service can let their  views known and  how they would 
use and benefit from an OSGeo-Live cloud service.

That way, we will get better idea if  there is need/demand and a sustaining 
community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live 
release.

All - please look though the ideas/inputs below that Cameron summarised for 
OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud service based discussions we had so far in 
education and live lists. If you are able to contribute to this , please let us 
all know. Thanks.

Suchith


From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
Angelos Tzotsos [gcpp.kal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: live-demo; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I summarize:

1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure and have 
a Free Software solution.
Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering Suchith's 
"next steps" question:

On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do you think is 
the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all discussions so far and 
reply to the public lists.Thanks.

Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable cloud 
service, I suggest we consider:

1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you would 
use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to determine if there is a 
sustaining community who will step up to keep the project maintained with each 
OSGeo-Live release.

2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud service? 
Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is required, and will 
set up a Proof-of-Concept.

3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a pay-as-you-use model? 
Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to sponsor? Would we be asking workshop 
providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to prove a 
Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or so), but ask 
workshop providers and other users to pay for the service in moving forward.
This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur if someone 
stands up and champions its development.  Do we have someone interested to do 
the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up if interested). It certainly would 
be a valuable contribution to the OSGeo community.


Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
> OSGeo-Live VM
not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an asset - any
demo just needs to show a URL then.


>
>  2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
find a caretaker with a machine.
Jacobs University can do that, for example, in tight collaboration with Angelos
on technical level.

-Peter



On 15/10/2015 2:53 am, Giuseppe Amatulli wrote:
Hi,
under the http://www.spatial-ecology.net/ initiative we  use the the 
OSGeo-Llive for courses and intensive training in Geo Computation.

In this line we have been used also Amazon Web Service to teach remote 
connection and scripting routines in the cloud. For this I was customize a 
Ubuntu Instance very similar to the  OSGeo-Llive.

Nonetheless, would be grate  to have the OSGeo-Llive directly hosted in AWS to 
allow teach but also to provide to the course participants  something that they 
can use after the course.

The AWS Educate 

 provide grants for education so maybe an official cooperation OSGeo can be 
a solution to host for free a OSGeo-Llive Instance

Best Regards
Giuseppe

On 10/13/2015 05:57 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>
>Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to catch up on 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Angelos Tzotsos]

I realize that my previous e-mail was not received by the list so I 
summarize:


1. OSGeo-Live is already cloud-ready on Synnefo stack
http://www.synnefo.org/
So basically we could deploy synnefo + geneti on OSGeo infrastructure 
and have a Free Software solution.

Alternatively we could deploy an OpenStack instance.
https://www.openstack.org/software/
We should ask SAC if the above options are feasible.

2. In case we want to deploy OSGeo-Live on AWS, it seems straightforward:
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/VMImportPrerequisites.html
https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/vm-import/

Any other options in mind?

Best,
Angelos


On 10/18/2015 01:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
Bringing a few different email threads back to one, and answering 
Suchith's "next steps" question:


On 16/10/2015 12:43 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
Cameron - from your experiences with OSGeo live community, what do 
you think is the best way now forward ? Can you please summarise all 
discussions so far and reply to the public lists.Thanks.


Suchith
If we are to be successful at setting up an OSGeo-Live sustainable 
cloud service, I suggest we consider:


1. Would a cloud service be used? By who?
I'd suggest that people who want a cloud service speak up, say how you 
would use an OSGeo-Live cloud service. We are looking here to 
determine if there is a sustaining community who will step up to keep 
the project maintained with each OSGeo-Live release.


2. What are the steps technically required to set up the cloud 
service? Hopefully someone will step up to do the research on what is 
required, and will set up a Proof-of-Concept.


3. What will hosting a cloud service cost? Would it be a 
pay-as-you-use model? Would we be asking the OSGeo Foundation to 
sponsor? Would we be asking workshop providers to pay for the service?
I suspect that we could ask the OSGeo Foundation for base funding to 
prove a Proof of Concept (by paying for a cloud service for 1 year or 
so), but ask workshop providers and other users to pay for the service 
in moving forward.

This is something that can be decided once costs are understood.

4. But the bottom line is that the best chance of success will occur 
if someone stands up and champions its development.  Do we have 
someone interested to do the hard work of making it happen? (Speak up 
if interested). It certainly would be a valuable contribution to the 
OSGeo community.



Warm regards, Cameron


On 14/10/2015 7:59 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM

not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an 
asset - any

demo just needs to show a URL then.



>
>  2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible

find a caretaker with a machine.
Jacobs University can do that, for example, in tight collaboration 
with Angelos

on technical level.

-Peter




On 15/10/2015 2:53 am, Giuseppe Amatulli wrote:

Hi,
under the http://www.spatial-ecology.net/ initiative we  use the the 
OSGeo-Llive for courses and intensive training in Geo Computation.


In this line we have been used also Amazon Web Service to teach 
remote connection and scripting routines in the cloud. For this I was 
customize a Ubuntu Instance very similar to the OSGeo-Llive.


Nonetheless, would be grate  to have the OSGeo-Llive directly hosted 
in AWS to allow teach but also to provide to the course participants  
something that they can use after the course.


The AWS Educate  
provide grants for education so maybe an official cooperation 
OSGeo can be a solution to host for free a OSGeo-Llive Instance


Best Regards
Giuseppe



On 10/13/2015 05:57 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to 
catch up on ideas for future to expand education globally.

>
>
>I also remembered that few months back, we had an initial 
discussion on  the importance of having a cloud service that runs 
the OSGeo-Live VM to help running workshops at conferences, training 
events etc. Venka made this idea in one of the Geo4All AB 
discussions on workshops at FOSS4G Bonn that i copy below

>
>
>"Instead of buying 80-100 computers, it could be a worth 
considering to pay for a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM. 
Maybe one of our sponsoring companies could be approached to deploy 
such OSGeo Software as a Service solution.Such service could be made 
available to any event/institution wishing to run their own 
workshops anywhere place on earth with a good internet connection 
and thin client. For subsequent events or users could be charged to 
cover cost of cloud hosting and paying for some developers to 
maintain the system.If the experiment is successful, we can think of 
replicating it in our globally through our local chapters."

>
>
>Me, Maria and Peter in our discussions 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)]

All,

We’ve had success locally/regionally with preparing thumb drives with 
OSGeo-Live.  I’m not sure about running everything over the internet in a 
training scenario, but there may be some good reasons to put some of the 
services into a dedicated location for online use.

The idea of having a online version running gets the idea mill running, what if 
something like that could be used to pick and choose from for preparing a USB 
drive for training sessions?

bobb


> On Oct 14, 2015, at 3:44 AM, Suchith Anand  
> wrote:
> 
> Sure. I am ccing both the Education community and OSGeo live communities in 
> this, so we get more ideas/inputs to make this possible.
> 
> To give some background, we now have OSGeo Live being used not only for 
> running workshops in FOSS4G conferences but in so many training 
> programs/workshops/tutorials around the world. It is also a key resource for 
> geoeducation. So to make it more easy and scaleable for organising and 
> running  these training events globally, i would like to get inputs for 
> Venka's ideas (details in email below) 
> 
> May i request all interested to please give your ideas/inputs esp. on
> 
> 1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
> OSGeo-Live VM 
> 
> 2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
> 
> Looking forward to your inputs.
> 
> Suchith
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:17 PM
> To: Suchith Anand; gcpp.kal...@gmail.com; p.baum...@jacobs-university.de; 
> venka.os...@gmail.com; Maria Antonia Brovelli
> Subject: Re: Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live 
> VM
> 
> Hi Suchith,
> Good idea. Would it be ok if we discuss on a public email list? Probably
> osgeo-live list, or education list.
> Part of the success would come from people collating content for such a
> course (which could be based on OSGeo-Live Quickstarts).
> 
> Warm regards, Cameron
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/10/2015 1:57 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to catch up on 
>> ideas for future to expand education globally.
>> 
>> 
>> I also remembered that few months back, we had an initial discussion on  the 
>> importance of having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM to help 
>> running workshops at conferences, training events etc. Venka made this idea 
>> in one of the Geo4All AB discussions on workshops at FOSS4G Bonn that i copy 
>> below
>> 
>> 
>> "Instead of buying 80-100 computers, it could be a worth considering to pay 
>> for a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM. Maybe one of our sponsoring 
>> companies could be approached to deploy such OSGeo Software as a Service 
>> solution.Such service could be made available to any event/institution 
>> wishing to run their own workshops anywhere place on earth with a good 
>> internet connection and thin client. For subsequent events or users could be 
>> charged to  cover cost of cloud hosting and paying for some developers to 
>> maintain the system.If the experiment is successful, we can think of 
>> replicating it in our globally through our local chapters."
>> 
>> 
>> Me, Maria and Peter in our discussions today, thought it is good time to 
>> start doing something about this and have this for scaling up our education 
>> and training needs globally. So it will be good to get ideas from key 
>> people, so i request you all to give your thoughts/ideas.
>> 
>> 
>> 1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
>> OSGeo-Live VM.
>> 
>> 2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
>> 
>> Looking forward to your inputs.
>> 
>> Suchith
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Giuseppe Amatulli]

Hi,
under the http://www.spatial-ecology.net/ initiative we  use the the
OSGeo-Llive for courses and intensive training in Geo Computation.

In this line we have been used also Amazon Web Service to teach remote
connection and scripting routines in the cloud. For this I was customize a
Ubuntu Instance very similar to the  OSGeo-Llive.

Nonetheless, would be grate  to have the OSGeo-Llive directly  hosted in
AWS to allow teach but also to provide to the course participants
something that they can use after the course.

The AWS Educate  provide
grants for education so maybe an official cooperation OSGeo can be a
solution to host for free a OSGeo-Llive Instance

Best Regards
Giuseppe





On 14 October 2015 at 10:52, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <
bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:

> All,
>
> We’ve had success locally/regionally with preparing thumb drives with
> OSGeo-Live.  I’m not sure about running everything over the internet in a
> training scenario, but there may be some good reasons to put some of the
> services into a dedicated location for online use.
>
> The idea of having a online version running gets the idea mill running,
> what if something like that could be used to pick and choose from for
> preparing a USB drive for training sessions?
>
> bobb
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 3:44 AM, Suchith Anand <
> suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Sure. I am ccing both the Education community and OSGeo live communities
> in this, so we get more ideas/inputs to make this possible.
> >
> > To give some background, we now have OSGeo Live being used not only for
> running workshops in FOSS4G conferences but in so many training
> programs/workshops/tutorials around the world. It is also a key resource
> for geoeducation. So to make it more easy and scaleable for organising and
> running  these training events globally, i would like to get inputs for
> Venka's ideas (details in email below)
> >
> > May i request all interested to please give your ideas/inputs esp. on
> >
> > 1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the
> OSGeo-Live VM
> >
> > 2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
> >
> > Looking forward to your inputs.
> >
> > Suchith
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shor...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:17 PM
> > To: Suchith Anand; gcpp.kal...@gmail.com; p.baum...@jacobs-university.de;
> venka.os...@gmail.com; Maria Antonia Brovelli
> > Subject: Re: Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the
> OSGeo-Live VM
> >
> > Hi Suchith,
> > Good idea. Would it be ok if we discuss on a public email list? Probably
> > osgeo-live list, or education list.
> > Part of the success would come from people collating content for such a
> > course (which could be based on OSGeo-Live Quickstarts).
> >
> > Warm regards, Cameron
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14/10/2015 1:57 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>
> >> Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to catch
> up on ideas for future to expand education globally.
> >>
> >>
> >> I also remembered that few months back, we had an initial discussion
> on  the importance of having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM to
> help running workshops at conferences, training events etc. Venka made this
> idea in one of the Geo4All AB discussions on workshops at FOSS4G Bonn that
> i copy below
> >>
> >>
> >> "Instead of buying 80-100 computers, it could be a worth considering to
> pay for a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM. Maybe one of our
> sponsoring companies could be approached to deploy such OSGeo Software as a
> Service solution.Such service could be made available to any
> event/institution wishing to run their own workshops anywhere place on
> earth with a good internet connection and thin client. For subsequent
> events or users could be charged to  cover cost of cloud hosting and paying
> for some developers to maintain the system.If the experiment is successful,
> we can think of replicating it in our globally through our local chapters."
> >>
> >>
> >> Me, Maria and Peter in our discussions today, thought it is good time
> to start doing something about this and have this for scaling up our
> education and training needs globally. So it will be good to get ideas from
> key people, so i request you all to give your thoughts/ideas.
> >>
> >>
> >> 1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the
> OSGeo-Live VM.
> >>
> >> 2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
> >>
> >> Looking forward to your inputs.
> >>
> >> Suchith
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
> >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this
> >> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.
> >>
> >> Please do not use, copy or disclose the 

Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Andy Anderson]

On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Peter Baumann  wrote:

> - the USB drive is getting too small for the stuff to be shown. And we cannot
> use bigger sticks as MacOS doesn't eat them (that's what I have been told).

If the sticks are formatted as Mac HFS+ drives, there should be no unreasonable 
limit. If they are formatted as NTFS, there should again be no unreasonable 
limit, but Macs can’t write to them. If they are instead formatted as FAT-32, 
they are limited to 4 GB, though Macs can again write to them.

> - I have experienced some people being hesitant to boot from a stick due to
> security concerns: "will it now transfer my harddisk contents into the 
> Internet?"

Make sure you’ve double-checked your flash drive with a good malware scanner, 
as that is a reasonable fear.

> - at demos there is a zillion of different participant laptops around causing
> all sort of trouble. It is just convenient to point to a website instead.

And then you have issues with browser compatibility, etc.

Those on limited budgets often turn to open-source software. But this also 
generally means that have older equipment and operating systems. So I think 
there is a higher imperative for open-source software to maintain backward 
operating-system compatibility for as long as possible in current versions of 
the software. (It often seems to have a shorter lifetime than commercial 
products.)

— Andy

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Re: [Live-demo] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM

[Peter Baumann]

(sorry, msg bounced)

Hi all,

On 2015-10-14 10:44, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Sure. I am ccing both the Education community and OSGeo live communities in 
> this, so we get more ideas/inputs to make this possible.
>
> To give some background, we now have OSGeo Live being used not only for 
> running workshops in FOSS4G conferences but in so many training 
> programs/workshops/tutorials around the world. It is also a key resource for 
> geoeducation. So to make it more easy and scaleable for organising and 
> running  these training events globally, i would like to get inputs for 
> Venka's ideas (details in email below) 
>
> May i request all interested to please give your ideas/inputs esp. on
>
>  1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
> OSGeo-Live VM 

not necessarily a cloud, as the whole OSGeo Live is not prepared.
But definitely hosting it on a VM (for easy cloning + move) is an asset - any
demo just needs to show a URL then.


>
>  2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible

find a caretaker with a machine.
Jacobs University can do that, for example, in tight collaboration with Angelos
on technical level.

-Peter


>
>  Looking forward to your inputs.
>
> Suchith
>
>
>
> 
> From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:17 PM
> To: Suchith Anand; gcpp.kal...@gmail.com; p.baum...@jacobs-university.de; 
> venka.os...@gmail.com; Maria Antonia Brovelli
> Subject: Re: Ideas/inputs for having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live 
> VM
>
> Hi Suchith,
> Good idea. Would it be ok if we discuss on a public email list? Probably
> osgeo-live list, or education list.
> Part of the success would come from people collating content for such a
> course (which could be based on OSGeo-Live Quickstarts).
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>
>
> On 14/10/2015 1:57 am, Suchith Anand wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Myself, Maria and Peter are now at ESA event and had a chance to catch up on 
>> ideas for future to expand education globally.
>>
>>
>> I also remembered that few months back, we had an initial discussion on  the 
>> importance of having a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM to help 
>> running workshops at conferences, training events etc. Venka made this idea 
>> in one of the Geo4All AB discussions on workshops at FOSS4G Bonn that i copy 
>> below
>>
>>
>> "Instead of buying 80-100 computers, it could be a worth considering to pay 
>> for a cloud service that runs the OSGeo-Live VM. Maybe one of our sponsoring 
>> companies could be approached to deploy such OSGeo Software as a Service 
>> solution.Such service could be made available to any event/institution 
>> wishing to run their own workshops anywhere place on earth with a good 
>> internet connection and thin client. For subsequent events or users could be 
>> charged to  cover cost of cloud hosting and paying for some developers to 
>> maintain the system.If the experiment is successful, we can think of 
>> replicating it in our globally through our local chapters."
>>
>>
>> Me, Maria and Peter in our discussions today, thought it is good time to 
>> start doing something about this and have this for scaling up our education 
>> and training needs globally. So it will be good to get ideas from key 
>> people, so i request you all to give your thoughts/ideas.
>>
>>
>> 1.Do you think it is important to have a cloud service that runs the 
>> OSGeo-Live VM.
>>
>> 2.What are the steps that we need to take to make this possible
>>
>> Looking forward to your inputs.
>>
>> Suchith
>>
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