Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-12 Thread Tobias Doerffel
2014/1/10 Vesa > 2) the CSS theming is (AFAICT) implemented with Qt's own CSS engine, > meaning it's less work for LMMS, no need to write a theming engine from > scratch > Yes, there's very good builtin CSS support in Qt and without it, it would be a lots of work to implement theming support on

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:58 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > In terms of mockups can we have them on the wiki so that way we can > provide suggestions and possibly if we like features from one or > others we can combine them. > I don't think I currently have access to editing the wiki. I tried logging in wit

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:56 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Going back to the discussion of using CSS to styling and theming. I > think we should drop CSS and switch to XML files. I feel that XML > files would be better suited for those that want to customize the look > of lmms and arent as knowledgable abo

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
In terms of the mobile app market we would need to see how something like virtual dj allows a mobile device to interface with their application on the computer. That would be a very very very interesting thing to do for this project. The problem i see comes when targeting Apple devices. In their ru

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
In terms of mockups can we have them on the wiki so that way we can provide suggestions and possibly if we like features from one or others we can combine them. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 03:52 AM, David Millet wrote: > > "(I might be entirely wrong here, mayb

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Going back to the discussion of using CSS to styling and theming. I think we should drop CSS and switch to XML files. I feel that XML files would be better suited for those that want to customize the look of lmms and arent as knowledgable about CSS as some of us major developers might be. On Fri,

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Ok then we go with fully customized widgets. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 08:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I think this is something which should be standardized. I think we > > should not reinvent the wheel and use QT looking UI and QWidgets. This > > will

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I think this is something which should be standardized. I think we > should not reinvent the wheel and use QT looking UI and QWidgets. This > will decrease UI complexity for sure. That's impossible. Qt doesn't have all the widgets that LMMS needs.

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Thanks for teaching me something new today Vesa. :D When i saw CSS i instantly thought something with a website or web related. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 08:42 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > Are you guys thinking of making a web based version? That is the on

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I think this is something which should be standardized. I think we should not reinvent the wheel and use QT looking UI and QWidgets. This will decrease UI complexity for sure. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 08:38 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I am wondering in t

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:42 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Are you guys thinking of making a web based version? That is the only > thing that using css. as mentioned in my other email i thik QT and > glad are what we need to look at. Sorry but you're incorrect, CSS is used in many local applications for U

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:38 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I am wondering in terms of UI could we make it take advantage of a QT > look if one is on kde or use glad if they are on gnome. Currently are > we using a custom UI not using any framework such as the qt UI > designer or glade? Some of the widgets

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Are you guys thinking of making a web based version? That is the only thing that using css. as mentioned in my other email i thik QT and glad are what we need to look at. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Israel wrote: > Good, I like CSS, > CSS supports layouts, and sizes, this could be very us

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I am wondering in terms of UI could we make it take advantage of a QT look if one is on kde or use glad if they are on gnome. Currently are we using a custom UI not using any framework such as the qt UI designer or glade? On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 05:24 AM, I

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Raine M. Ekman
Quoting Israel : > The worst issue with the internal windows is the > minimize/maximize function. The minimized windows can be nearly > impossible to find intuitively if you have a lot of things up, and the > unmaximize button hides in a slightly non-intuitive area. If there was > some sort of 'd

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 05:24 AM, Israel wrote: > Good, I like CSS, > CSS supports layouts, and sizes, this could be very useful to put LMMS > on mobiles. > i.e. > width: 20% > float: left > So it will support all the color functionality? I mean rgba > specifically... because an alpha channel could make som

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
Good, I like CSS, CSS supports layouts, and sizes, this could be very useful to put LMMS on mobiles. i.e. width: 20% float: left So it will support all the color functionality? I mean rgba specifically... because an alpha channel could make some things look REALLY modern and sleek. Maybe you

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 04:55 AM, Israel wrote: > but the problem is rewriting the entire UI codebase to use XML instead > of the hard-coded UI (I haven't actually looked into the UI code... I > just assume it is hard coded since it doesn't match the theme of my Qt > environment). That is not a priority for

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
Maybe there should be a list of all the UI elements that need to be redone, and fixed. (i.e knobs, sliders, logo, specific logo, specific MIME, etc..) http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/ Seems like it would be a proper place for TODO and blueprints of the artwork nature XML is a standardized

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread oeai
Java on android and C# are using xml schemas, it looks more like a css really, just in a bit other way, you can check any market-app and create maybe some better way. On 10.01.2014 06:01, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > > The website-like interface system seems an interesting way. I have no > idea of it

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 03:52 AM, David Millet wrote: > "(I might be entirely wrong here, maybe > someone knows a way to do it quickly and painlessly, and if so I'll > stand corrected...)" > > Well, with the theme support that is currently being added, if > developers can use CSS to develop the theme, and th

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
The website-like interface system seems an interesting way. I have no idea of it could work and how flexible I'd be, but the image you guys are painting is intriguing. Has anyone did anything like this before? Gnome Shell maybe? Not to mention that having a finger-operable theme for tablets and sm

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Vesa, I agree that UI redesign will probably take a lot of people*time to finish and what we have now is better than nothing (it works!). I think the deluge of ideas and lively discussion is a rough way to create a roadmap for this year and find out what we want to do, in what order and how. I fe

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread David Millet
"(I might be entirely wrong here, maybe someone knows a way to do it quickly and painlessly, and if so I'll stand corrected...)" Well, with the theme support that is currently being added, if developers can use CSS to develop the theme, and the CSS support is robust enough, the layout can be compl

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 02:41 AM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > I was thinking about LMMS interface redisign on a Blender fashion. That's maybe something to consider down the line, but I think it's not something we should focus on currently, unless we can get much more actual coders and developers - something like

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
It would be nice to toggle between views, sort of like GIMP 2.8+ has single window mode, so users could decide if they want the 'locked' window interface and the movable interface. The problem with a 'locked' interface would cause problems with multiple instrument windows (i.e. 3 Tripple OSC, 2

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
*David*, to me it's great news to know you're an active Blender user. In LMMS keyboard sometimes is bind to playing notes, but maybe this could be (de)activated with a button+shortcut so most of the times you could use both function keys and play notes switching between the two a bit like VIM users

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread David Millet
Wanted to throw my 2 cents in, as I'm actually pretty familiar with the Blender interface. I am for example the guy that started this: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro, and have written articles for BlenderNation.com I'd throw my support behind LMMS borrowing the non-overlappi

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
For GUI design I recommend you to watch a series of videos targeted at Blender (The Open 3D Toolkit). Speaking of GUI concepts: LMMS has a big problem where all the little windows in the workspace overlap, get lost, minimize, fail to restore, get lost somewher beyond the edge... Blender develope

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
Maybe it would be good to have a few mockups posted to the list, so the UI people and the devs and the (etc...) can visualize what is being said, and visualize the possibilities for LMMS. On a side note, as the Ubuntu package person, I think QML would make a nice UI, and make it theme-able and

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 12:19 AM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > Hi, > > as discussed on the ML any help on improving the UI is welcome. We > need somebody to coordinate the volunteers and the work on UI design. > Would you like to do that? > > Toby > Sure, why not. I can personally help a lot at least with all th

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Hi, as discussed on the ML any help on improving the UI is welcome. We need somebody to coordinate the volunteers and the work on UI design. Would you like to do that? Toby -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise C

[LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2013-11-10 Thread Vesa
Hi, I study graphic design as my primary occupation, and also make electronic music as a hobby, right now mainly with LMMS. I really like LMMS so I was wondering if I could help with the development. I'm not much of a coder, but I'm fairly skilled with graphics, so I was wondering if there's any g

[LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2013-11-10 Thread diiz
Hi, I study graphic design as my primary occupation, and also make electronic music as a hobby, right now mainly with LMMS. I really like LMMS so I was wondering if I could help with the development. I'm not much of a coder, but I'm fairly skilled with graphics, so I was wondering if there's any g