Re: Hosting log4j FAQ on jGuru
Hello, I kinda agree with Daniel. If any log4j user or committer wishes to maintain a FAQ on jGuru, that is fine. However, I see more disadvantages than advantages in maintaining a FAQ at jGuru and would curtently vote -0. Regards, Ceki --- Paul Glezen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel brings up some good points. As for his > objection to donating time > merely to support JGuru's ad revenue, I think that > one misses. We're > trying to help log4j users. If someone else who > helps us help log4j users > benefits, fine. It would be a symbiotic > relationship. We would get more > publicity. But then I knew about Apache/Jakarta > before I know about JGuru. > Log4j is getting quite popular without JGuru or > anyone else (except Jakarta > of course). > > I lament his point about repeated questions already > answered in the FAQ. > But we get the same thing on the mailing list as it > is now. > > As for bypassing the Jakarta User Mailing list, I > thought that was the > whole point: use the mailing list for development > and JGuru for user > questions. > > I agree that we should continue to include the FAQ > with the distribution. > > The entropy thing needs as much care on the mailing > list as on the FAQ. > (See recent thread on "submissions falling through > the cracks"). > > As long as we can back out in case things don't work > and continue to own > the FAQ, I still don't see a problem with jGuru. > Having seemed to have > shot down most of what Daniel said against jGuru, I > don't have a strong > feeling either way. It the FAQ goes to jGuru, I'll > work to support it. > Otherwise I'm content with things the way they are > now with regard to FAQs. > > - Paul > > Paul Glezen > IT Specialist > Software Services > 818 539 3321 > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = - Ceki Gulcu E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rumine 5 Tel:++41-21-351 23 15 CH-1005 Lausanne/Switzerland __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hosting log4j FAQ on jGuru
I tend to agree with Daniel... Mathias Bogaert wrote: > > >The FAQs at jGuru are mostly AQs and are not adequately subcategorized > >within a category. Keyword searching is not as useful as a > >well-organized table of contents. > > That is a problem.searching is not easy on JGuru. > > > I'm not donating 1-3 hours a week of my time to help > >jGuru/MageLang's advertising revenue. > I don't agree. The best dev and open source sites have ads on them (e.g. > slashdot, theserverside.com). The thing is that ad revenue depends on number of hits, meaning that these sites have an interest in making people click around a lot. I personally prefer FAQs which are on a single page, with an index at the top (hyperlinked if it's HTML). With jguru not only do you not get the FAQ on a single page but you also don't get individual parts in a "clean" way without a lot of HTML fluff around it. > > > jGuru forums bypass and possibly defeat jakarta user mailing lists. > That is the point! JGuru's faq are more easy accessible for developers than > the mailinglist, and the mailinglist contains not only questions, but also > code, personal remarks, feature requests, bug reports + discussions, etc I prefer FAQs and mailing lists be kept seperate. If something is up for discussion it probably doesn't belong on the FAQ list. > > > The best FAQs are works of writing and not hasty online Q&A's. > I dont't agree. JGuru's FAQ's are very comprehensive and contain good > answers. > > I still vote +1 for the FAQ on JGuru. I like their site and it has helped me > out on countless occasions. > > Regards, > Mathias -- Anders Kristensen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hosting log4j FAQ on jGuru
>The FAQs at jGuru are mostly AQs and are not adequately subcategorized >within a category. Keyword searching is not as useful as a >well-organized table of contents. That is a problem.searching is not easy on JGuru. > I'm not donating 1-3 hours a week of my time to help >jGuru/MageLang's advertising revenue. I don't agree. The best dev and open source sites have ads on them (e.g. slashdot, theserverside.com). > jGuru forums bypass and possibly defeat jakarta user mailing lists. That is the point! JGuru's faq are more easy accessible for developers than the mailinglist, and the mailinglist contains not only questions, but also code, personal remarks, feature requests, bug reports + discussions, etc > The best FAQs are works of writing and not hasty online Q&A's. I dont't agree. JGuru's FAQ's are very comprehensive and contain good answers. I still vote +1 for the FAQ on JGuru. I like their site and it has helped me out on countless occasions. Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hosting log4j FAQ on jGuru
Daniel brings up some good points. As for his objection to donating time merely to support JGuru's ad revenue, I think that one misses. We're trying to help log4j users. If someone else who helps us help log4j users benefits, fine. It would be a symbiotic relationship. We would get more publicity. But then I knew about Apache/Jakarta before I know about JGuru. Log4j is getting quite popular without JGuru or anyone else (except Jakarta of course). I lament his point about repeated questions already answered in the FAQ. But we get the same thing on the mailing list as it is now. As for bypassing the Jakarta User Mailing list, I thought that was the whole point: use the mailing list for development and JGuru for user questions. I agree that we should continue to include the FAQ with the distribution. The entropy thing needs as much care on the mailing list as on the FAQ. (See recent thread on "submissions falling through the cracks"). As long as we can back out in case things don't work and continue to own the FAQ, I still don't see a problem with jGuru. Having seemed to have shot down most of what Daniel said against jGuru, I don't have a strong feeling either way. It the FAQ goes to jGuru, I'll work to support it. Otherwise I'm content with things the way they are now with regard to FAQs. - Paul Paul Glezen IT Specialist Software Services 818 539 3321 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hosting log4j FAQ on jGuru
Sorry, the correct URL is: http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg01228.html --- Ceki Gulcu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have a look at Daniel Savarese's answer to the > question at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > It can be also found at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/general40jakarta.apache.org/msg01228.html > > Regards, Ceki > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = - Ceki Gulcu E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rumine 5 Tel:++41-21-351 23 15 CH-1005 Lausanne/Switzerland __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
