Re: crazy golf
* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Inline::PERL
Another gem from Perlmonks. I'm thinking I should post this one to the Cookwood board :) http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=84638 From the POD: =head1 DESCRIPTION Inline::PERL gives you the power of the PERL programming language from within your Perl programs. This gives you instant access to hundreds of pre-coded applications such as bulletin boards, hit counters and shopping carts. PERL is a programming language for writing CGI applications. It's main strength is that it doesn't have any unnecessary warnings or strictures. It is a direct descendent of Perl, a programming language which was used mainly by programmers. However, the original language required too much reading and thinking and so PERL was developed as a language which was more in tune with the requirements of the Internet age. =head1 PERL DOCUMENTATION Unfortunately there is no documentation for PERL (believe me I've looked everywhere). Therefore, the best thing to do is to go straight to comp.lang.perl.misc and ask your questions there. -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Decompression
-Original Message- From: Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Umm, *strokes beard* by archive you mean tar file, right? If so then Archive::Tar looks likely, and it even automagically deals with .gz This does exactly what I wanted, a pint is yours at the next meeting! files via Compress::Zlib (or so it says in the readme) It does as well, this should save a lot of grief. No non-core modules though? Can't you just create a local lib path with Archive::Tar in it and say you didn't cheat? If I can't get the module on the server then I guess I'll have to be inventive and just add the whole module to my script ;) And now back to your scheduled Buffy discussion. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: Email::Valid
On Wed, 30 May 2001 17:14:15 +0100, Matthew Robinson wrote:
RFC822 will allow all of the following (taken from CGI Programming with
Perl) and was designed to accept all the addresses in use in 1982:
Alfred Neuman Neuman@BBN-TENEXA
:sysmail@ Some-Group. Some-Org
Muhammed.(I am the greatest) Ali @(the)vegas.WBA
Attached is the address parser from my mail client (which I might eventually release).
It returns an arrayref of hashrefs, containing:
addr = The actual address (minus comments)
comment = All the comments
text = The whole text of the address
name = The name
If I parse q(Alfred Neuman Neuman@BBN-TENEXA, :sysmail@ Some-Group. Some-Org,
Muhammed.(I am the greatest) Ali @(the)vegas.WBA) with it, I get this back:
$VAR1 = [
{
'text' = 'Alfred Neuman Neuman@BBN-TENEXA',
'comment' = undef,
'addr' = 'Neuman@BBN-TENEXA',
'name' = 'Alfred Neuman'
},
{
'text' = ' :sysmail@ Some-Group. Some-Org ',
'comment' = undef,
'addr' = ':[EMAIL PROTECTED]',
'name' = 'Alfred Neuman'
},
{
'text' = 'Muhammed.(I am the greatest) Ali @(the)vegas.WBA',
'comment' = ' (I am the greatest) (the)',
'addr' = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',
'name' = 'Alfred Neuman'
}
];
Oooh, look! It's broken! Oh well, back to the drawing board.
--
Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
``Shall we have perl yell if the string Matt Wright
is found in a comment when running under -w too?''
-- Dan Sugalski
# $Revision: 1.8 $
%token tComma tColon tSemi
%token tAngLeft tAngRight
%token tAt tDot
%token tAtom tQuotedString tQuotedPair
%%
addresses:
address
{ [ $_[1] ] }
| addresses tComma address
{ [ @{$_[1]},$_[3] ] }
;
address:
address_
{
$_[0]-ParseComments;
my $data=$_[0]-YYData;
my $addr={
addr = $_[1],
comment = $data-{COMMENT},
text = $data-{TEXT},
name = $data-{NAME},
};
delete $data-{COMMENT};
delete $data-{TEXT};
$addr-{name}=~s/^\s+//s;
$addr;
}
;
address_:
group
| mailbox
;
group:
phrase tColon mailboxes tSemi
;
mailboxes:
mailbox
| mailboxes tComma mailbox
;
mailbox:
addr_spec
| opt_phrase route_addr
{ $_[0]-YYData-{NAME}.= $_[1]; $_[2] }
;
addr_spec:
local_part tAt domain
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
;
opt_phrase:
| phrase
;
phrase:
word
| phrase word
{ $_[1] $_[2] }
;
route_addr:
tAngLeft opt_route addr_spec tAngRight
{ $_[3] } # XXX Ignore route for now
;
opt_route:
routes tColon
|
;
routes:
routes tAt domain
| tAt domain
;
local_part:
local_part tDot word
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
| word
;
domain:
domain tDot sub_domain
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
| sub_domain
;
sub_domain:
domain_ref
/* | domain_literal */
;
domain_ref:
tAtom
;
word:
tAtom
| tQuotedString
;
%%
my %tokens=reverse(
tComma = ',',
tColon = ':',
tSemi = ';',
tAngLeft = '',
tAngRight = '',
tParLeft = '(',
tParRight = ')',
tBraLeft = '[',
tBraRight = ']',
tAt = '@',
tDot = '.',
);
my $tokens=join '',keys %tokens;
# Remove whitespace and comments
# This is done outside the lexer, since we call it before the first token
sub ParseComments{
my($parser)=@_;
my $data=$parser-YYData;
for($data-{INPUT}){
while(s/^(\s+)// || /^\(/){
$data-{TEXT}.=$1;
if(s/^\(//){
my $level=1;
my $ctext='(';
while($level){
s/^([^()\\]+)//
and $ctext.=$1;
s/^((?:\\.)+)//
and $ctext.=$1;
s/^\(//
and $ctext.='(' and ++$level;
if(s/^\)//){
$ctext.=')';
last unless --$level;
}
}
$data-{COMMENT}.= $ctext;
$data-{TEXT}.=$ctext;
}
}
}
}
# Debugging version
sub __Lexer{
my($parser)=@_;
my @ret=_Lexer;
local $=',';
warn Lex returned: (@ret)\n;
@ret;
}
sub _Lexer{
my($parser)=@_;
my $data=$parser-YYData;
# Remove whitespace and comments
$parser-ParseComments;
# Determine next token
for($data-{INPUT}){
return ('',undef) if $_ eq '';
if(s/^([\Q$tokens\E])//o){
$data-{TEXT}.=$1 unless $1 eq ',';
return ($tokens{$1},$1);
}
if(s/^//){
my $str;
while(1){
if(s/^//){
$data-{TEXT}.=qq($str);
return (tQuotedString = $str);
}elsif(s/^\\(.)//s){
$str.=$1;
}elsif(s/^([^\\]+)//){
$str.=$1;
}else{
$data-{TEXT}.=qq($str);
return (tQuotedString = $str);
}
}
}
if(s/^\\(.)//s){
$data-{TEXT}.=\\$1;
return (tQuotedPair = $1);
}
if(s/^([^\s\000-\037()\@,;\\.\[\]]+)//){
$data-{TEXT}.=$1;
return (tAtom = $1);
}
}
if(s/^(.)//s){
$data-{TEXT}.=$1;
return (tUnknown = $1);
}
}
sub _Error{
my($self)=@_;
# XXX
Re: Inline::PERL
At 09:40 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: Another gem from Perlmonks. I'm thinking I should post this one to the Cookwood board :) It was in the unforgettable episode on 23rd May when bk said: Yay! You have now totally redeemed yourself in my mind. I'm sorry... I seem to have missed the class on the usage of the different kinds of OR operators. Since then Bk and Dave's relationship has got better and better, with smiley faces common place and good humour generally prevalent. But does Bk harbour underlying resentment? Is he luring Dave into a false sense of security? Has his programming actually improved any? It's better than enders! Oh, and I think the thing about readdir returning the first entry of an array in scalar context is dumb. That isn't DWIM. Returning the number of entries in the directory would be about a million times more sensible (especially if it didn't count . and .. as entries). -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
General Election
You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :) Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and... er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route. There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :) Vive la Revolution! Comrade Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: General Election
At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route. Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly? There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :) Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone. Vive la Revolution! Sounds like the tag line of a shampoo commercial. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: General Election
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :) Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and... Ah, its been ages since I had an ``election night party'', COUNT me in! (geddit, _count_, as in vote count! *lol*, i kill myself ;-) ) er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route. Is that so you can pick up some champagne, for labour's particular brand of socialism ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route. Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly? There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :) Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone. I'm not prepared to bet that he'll be allowing himself in. Does it count if you know all the verses to Raise Your Banner High instead? Can I blag a bed again, what with the Iterative meeting the next day... -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
RE: General Election
From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:04 AM Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route. Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly? There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :) Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone. I'm not prepared to bet that he'll be allowing himself in. Oh. I know at least the first verse and chorus. And both tunes :) Does it count if you know all the verses to Raise Your Banner High instead? Can I blag a bed again, what with the Iterative meeting the next day... No. And yes. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: General Election
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What! You mean go south of the river after dark. I'm afraid I'm not properly insured for that kind of excursion :) what sort of insurance do you need? insurance against culture? insurance against clearner air? insurance against nice restaurants and bars? insurance against safer streets? bah, south london is where its at ;-) Nice offer, though if I took it up my chances of making it home at all would be very slim. Does anyone know what time the result is usually announced (and 38 days is not an acceptable answer, this isn't Florida!) its not really announced at a specific time IIRC, it is a final result when one party has enough people to `form a government', i.e. a majority -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 10:32:55AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :) Vote Early, Vote Often! Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and... er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route. Sounds like a cunning plan. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
RE: General Election
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:10 AM i'll be with you standing on his doorstep Jonathan, especially as it was written by a member of the irish republic brotherhood ;-), and we all know what results are important on thursday night - thats right the northern irish ones! [1] [1] disclaimer ... in case anyone doesn't know me, statements i make about northern irish politics are generally made with tongue in cheek In fact, Greg is _such_ an expert on the Northern Ireland[1] electoral system that he fails to remember that the votes aren't counted until Friday morning :) Dave... [1] The use of the term Northern Ireland is simply a convenient shorthand and should in no way be taken as a endorsement of the existance of such a region. -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
General Election - additional idea
If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply, write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl and URLs should be submitted on the day. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and... Sounds like an evil flan. Especially as I'm holding up my end of the bargain (right, MBM?) and coming to my first ever london-pm meet. Anyone offering crash space for a small purple person would be most appreciated. L. Zaphod, this is a very large drink. Hi...
Re: General Election
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:10 AM i'll be with you standing on his doorstep Jonathan, especially as it was written by a member of the irish republic brotherhood ;-), and we all know what results are important on thursday night - thats right the northern irish ones! [1] [1] disclaimer ... in case anyone doesn't know me, statements i make about northern irish politics are generally made with tongue in cheek In fact, Greg is _such_ an expert on the Northern Ireland[1] electoral system that he fails to remember that the votes aren't counted until Friday morning :) did i specify a time that i'd be leaving your house? ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Forthcoming Meetings
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:09:56PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Technical Meeting: Thursday 21st June Need a venue for this please people. And speakers. If any speakers want to practise TPC or YAPC::E talks, then this might be a good time to do it. Since I've already practiced my YAPC::E submission on you lot, it would be unfair to do it again. But I could do something about Perl regular expressions and algorithmic complexity. That would be fun :-) .robin.
Re: Forthcoming Meetings
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I could do something about Perl regular expressions and algorithmic complexity. That would be fun :-) Robin, can we have a whip round and pay you NOT to do it? My head always hurts after one of your talks... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: General Election - additional idea
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply, write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl and URLs should be submitted on the day. I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user intervention? we could agree that a particular URL would return the data, stick a CGI in there, returning dummy information and then on the night change that CGI, that way none of the visualisation scripts would require changing -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election - additional idea
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user intervention? we could agree that a particular URL would return the data, stick a CGI in there, returning dummy information and then on the night change that CGI, that way none of the visualisation scripts would require changing i should of said, change that CGI to scrape the information from somewhere -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Montreal
Who is going to be at YAPC::NA in Montreal? I'm going to be there from June 9-18 and seeing that the conference is from June 13-15, there are a few days to do sightseeing / hacking / whatever. Is anyone else there before the conference so we might meet up early? Also, any tips on what do to in Montreal would be appreciated (there are city guides, of course, but if someone has first-hand experience it'd be good). Marcel -- my int ($x, $y, $z, $n); $x**$n + $y**$n = $z**$n is insoluble if $n 2; I have discovered a truly remarkable proof which this signature is too short to contain. (20 Aug 2001: Pierre de Fermat's 400th birthday)
Re: Montreal
At 13:12 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: are the botanical gardens, and biodome (all touristy). As far as I'm concerned though, the best thing to do in Montreal are the bars, cafes and shops. There's a nice catholic cathedral, the docks are nice, and there's a lovely local museum near the docks that talks about the bourgeoisie more than any other museum I've ever been in. Those were the the only things open on Boxing Day in Montreal last year. But I didn't look that hard because it was 20 below and windy. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forthcoming Meetings
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 11:28:20AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I could do something about Perl regular expressions and algorithmic complexity. That would be fun :-) Robin, can we have a whip round and pay you NOT to do it? My head always hurts after one of your talks... I *think* that's a compliment ;-) BTW, I'm going on holiday tonight, for two weeks. So if you start to wonder why I'm not answering email, that's why :) .robin. -- select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,'')) from ( select 'select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,)) from ( select ''X'' a from dual)' a from dual)
LCN June
Welcome to the London Community News. Details are for the month of June 2001. The User Groups: --- London Perl Mongers Home Page: http://www.london.pm.org Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] London PM are a group who are dedicated to the encouragement of all things Perl-like in London. London PM have two meetings this month, the usual social meeting and a technical meeting. The social meeting is on 7th June 2001 from about 6:30. The location has not been confirmed yet so keep an eye on the web site. The technical meeting is on the 21/06/01 and you should keep an eye on the website (http://london.pm.org/WhatDo.shtml) for the venue and details of the speakers. --- Lonix Home Page: http://www.lonix.org.uk/ Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The aim of Lonix is quite straightforward although it comprises of many points. The overall aim is to unite many Linux individuals in and around London. Below is a list of aims, but you as a member may not agree to all of them. (Hopefully at least one!) Meet like minded individuals to share ideas and discuss opinions. To provide a Linux force in London to persuade the industry to opt for a more Linux friendly approach to their services and products. To assist users with problems, providing advice and physical help. Linux advocacy Date: Wednesday 6th June at 6.00pm. Place: Los Locos 24/26 Russell Street, Covent Garden, WC2 Nearest Tube: Covent Garden Contact: 020 8992 7008 - (On the day 07980 160 045) Web Site: www.los-locos.co.uk (Tel 020 7379 0220) Map: on site above Also available this month are the new limited edition Lonix polo shirts. Designed in the new 2 colour logo and are on black. The only run of the previous design (At the Linux expo last year) sold within hours so now you have another reason to turn up early. For more details of the monthly meetings you can look here: http://www.lonix.org.uk/Meetings.html --- GLLUG Home Page: http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ Greater London Linux User Group's (GLLUG) purpose is to bring together London's Linux users so they can share experiences and expertise (or revel in their inexperience and quest for expertise), to chat about the state of the (Linux) world, that sort of thing. We try to arrange meets so that there is space for users to set up their equipment, so you are welcome to bring your kit along, either to go through the problems you are having or just to show off what you are up to. There are no formalities to attending a GLLUG meeting, no subscription or entry fees, you can just turn up on the day. We welcome and encourage new and inexperienced users, young and old. Due to the high turnout GLLUG meetings are less frequent than the other user groups, you can get notification of the next meeting either on the home page or through this mail :) This months GLLUG meeting has not had a date confirmed yet so keep an eye on the website, its the last one for the Summer so you don't want to miss it! --- SAGE-WISE Home Page: http://www.sage-wise.org/ Map: http://www.sage-wise.org/lecture/directions.html SAGE-WISE is the System Administrators Guild for Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England, hence the -WISE suffix. Our aim is to form a professional association for system administrators in the UK and Ireland. But what is a system administrator? Professional system administrators, however, often look after large numbers of computers and networks - they are the people who keep the systems running, repair faulty discs, install and debug new software, upgrade existing systems, and generally take care of the computing resources needed for their users to perform their tasks effectively. A shorter definition is A system administrator is one who manages computers not solely for his or her own use. If you know the joys and frustrations of this then feel free to come and visit one of our meetings. The next London meeting will be 7:30pm Tuesday 8th May in the Essai lounge at UCL. This month's speaker will be Michael Miller, a senior engineer for a UK ISP. He will be leading a discussion on Large Websites - how to design them and make them work. Michael Miller will be covering the following topics: capacity planning, server resources, security architecture, network infrastructure, highly available configurations, physical set-up, backups and load testing. --- SLLUG http://www.sllug.org.uk/ The South London Linux Users' Group is a regional LUG that may be of interest to people that can't make the Central London ones or want to join another mailing list dedicated to Linux. For details of the June meeting you should see their website here: http://feeler.sllug.org.uk/pipermail/sllug-announce/2001-May.txt --- FreeBSD UKUG http://www.freebsd-uk.eu.org/ The FreeBSD UKUG is a users' group based in the UK for UK FreeBSD UNIX Users. No meetings
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :) Sounds like a plan. /J\
Re: crazy golf
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :) Sounds like a plan. so when is the next bang holiday weekend? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: crazy golf
On 01/06/2001 at 13:03 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: so when is the next bang holiday weekend? 2001-08-27. Hence the crazy golf must be on 2001-08-25. (Palm Desktop)++ The next one after that is in December. (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays? I'd buy that for a dollar.) -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :) Sounds like a plan. so when is the next bang holiday weekend? The next *bank* holiday is in august. The bang holiday could be anytime :) /J\
Re: crazy golf
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 07:40:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I'm still up for organizing it - its just herding you cats up in one place is the problem. If you book it, they will come. i suggest booking it for the saturday on the next bank holiday weekend this feels *good* Well we will all have recovered from Amsterdam by then :) Sounds like a plan. so when is the next bang holiday weekend? blech has just informed me, its 27/8/2001, which would make the first annual grand London.pm crazy golf open on the 25/8/2001 now what do people want to do? go to hastings and return the same day? stay over? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: crazy golf
On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 02:07 PM, Paul Mison wrote: On 01/06/2001 at 13:03 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: so when is the next bang holiday weekend? 2001-08-27. Hence the crazy golf must be on 2001-08-25. (Palm Desktop)++ Cool; I might actually be in London that weekend. Marcel -- $ perl -we time Useless use of time in void context at -e line 1.
RE: crazy golf
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:10 PM blech has just informed me, its 27/8/2001, which would make the first annual grand London.pm crazy golf open on the 25/8/2001 now what do people want to do? go to hastings and return the same day? stay over? Luckily for you all, I'll be in Edinburgh that weekend. This will make it an altogether more evenly matched game. Having grown up at the seaside my crazy golf is pretty shit-hot :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: crazy golf
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays? I'd buy that for a dollar.) Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day wasn't it? Dave... [who thinks it's about time we decimalised the calendar] -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:16:51PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays? I'd buy that for a dollar.) Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day wasn't it? Dave... [who thinks it's about time we decimalised the calendar] What a stunningly daft idea! It might just work! Actually, I think we should go back to using base60 numbers instead, so that time and dates just fall out of the wash (I think the ancient sumerians used them). -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
RE: crazy golf
On 01/06/2001 at 13:16 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:07 PM (Anyone standing on the platform of reforming bank holidays? I'd buy that for a dollar.) Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day wasn't it? Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point, coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka Whitsun) Bank Holiday. (Thankfully the same arguments tend to work against St George's Day as a bank holiday- far too jingoistic). Unfortunately it's the only one of those three I care about. Anyway, Trafalgar Day would be in October- that's a shite idea, the weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US Independence Day? We've imported plenty of other ideas from them. Hmm. Or make the Queen's Birthday celebrations be on a Monday and make that a bank holiday, if you have to wrap things up in pageantry. (Isn't there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?) (Wondering if this shouldn't cross the (void)/london-lists osmosis barrier) [0] Well, I, but I'm probably not alone here. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: crazy golf
On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:27:44PM +0100, Paul Mison typed: (Isn't there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?) http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/bankhol.htm
Re: crazy golf
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how about US Independence Day? We call that Thanksgiving... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: General Election
There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :) Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version? Barbie.
RE: crazy golf
At 13:27 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US Quite the opposite!!! We need more winter holidays to cheer us up during those dark rainy months. We should have holidays for all the major Saint's days, and get rid of silly artificial things like Mayday. Or we should just not work half the time, like the French. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: General Election
From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:46 PM There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :) Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version? The New Labour version starts like this: The people's flag is lightest pink, It's not as red as you might think. I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed to the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: crazy golf
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Isn't there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?) Apparently so. Allegedly there is a move to bring the UK more into line with the rest of Europe with regards to bank holidays. Several European nations put us to shame when you compare us with countries like Germany (14 days IIRC). The Golden Jubilee is the first to be introduced, with another 3 added over the next few years. I guess the Golden Jubilee one will then be known as Coronation Day or some such. There was a link all about it on the bbc site, but that was earlier in the year when I was living that other life, blissfully unaware I was about to be made redundant :) Barbie.
Re: crazy golf
From: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:27:44PM +0100, Paul Mison typed: (Isn't there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?) http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/bankhol.htm Well, as today is my first day working as a contractor, I want less holidays, so that I can make more money. Thinking about it again, I'll just make sure that the system needs some essential maintenance those days, and increase my rate appropriately! /Robert
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:10:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: blech has just informed me, its 27/8/2001, which would make the first annual grand London.pm crazy golf open on the 25/8/2001 ECLASHESWITHLBW -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
Re: LCN June
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Dean wrote: Lonix Date: Wednesday 6th June at 6.00pm. hasn't this been postponed? alex
Re: General Election
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:55:20PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: The New Labour version starts like this: The people's flag is lightest pink, It's not as red as you might think. How things have changed. 'Mr Heseltine, whose mane of golden hair has given him the nickname of Tarzan, apologised for waving the ceremonial mace around his head like a mediaeval battle axe. I was unwarrantably provoked by the singing of the Red Flag, he said.' http://www.guardiancentury.co.uk/1970-1979/Story/0,6051,106906,00.html The internationale is a better song though. .robin.
Re: crazy golf
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 13:27 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US Quite the opposite!!! We need more winter holidays to cheer us up during those dark rainy months. We should have holidays for all the major Saint's days, and get rid of silly artificial things like Mayday. Or we should just not work half the time, like the French. Personally I'd rather get rid of the overtly christian holidays and stick with good old pagan stuff like May day. And not because of the labour movement, it's a *way* older holiday than that. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: General Election
Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :) Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version? How about: The working class can kiss my arse I've got the foreman's job at last. Or The people's flag is deepest puce with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: General Election
Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:46 PM There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :) Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version? The New Labour version starts like this: The people's flag is lightest pink, It's not as red as you might think. I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed to the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days. Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how I try it it still sounds bloody ugly. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
RE: General Election
From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:27 PM Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [The Red Flag] I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed to the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days. Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how I try it it still sounds bloody ugly. There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on BB's mini-album The Internationale. If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play it to you. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: General Election
At 14:23 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:55:20PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: The New Labour version starts like this: The people's flag is lightest pink, It's not as red as you might think. How things have changed. Yikes! Changed for the better, apparently. The idea of Prescott getting hold of the mace is truly alarming. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LCN June
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:20:56PM +0100, alex wrote: Lonix Date: Wednesday 6th June at 6.00pm. hasn't this been postponed? Oh yes. I got a note last night confirming the date and then today i get one telling me its moved.[0] The venue and everything will be the same but the date is changing. I'll do another LCN later this month when things are a bit firmer for: PM Tech meeting. PM Social. GLLUG. Lonix. Only one that's done and dusted seems to be SAGE-WISE (Fingers crossed) Dean [0] This is one of the reasons i stopped doing this. No one knows when stuffs happening that far in advance... Herding cats spring to mind ;) -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: General Election
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:24:57PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: How about: The working class can kiss my arse I've got the foreman's job at last. Or The people's flag is deepest puce with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse Pah! Sing to the Motherland, home of the free, Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong. O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people, To Communism's triumph lead us on! -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
RE: LCN June
From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:31 PM London PM have two meetings this month, the usual social meeting and a technical meeting. The social meeting is on 7th June 2001 from about 6:30. The location has not been confirmed yet so keep an eye on the web site. The social will be in the cellar bar of the PO. I'll update the web site over the weekend. Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: General Election
On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:39:03PM +0100, David Cantrell typed: Pah! Sing to the Motherland, home of the free, Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong. O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people, To Communism's triumph lead us on! Humbug! The people's flag is black as night From top to bottom, left to right. What better symbol for our cause Then torn umbrellas, old black drawers, And Guinness, gowns and pirate flags Darth Vader's cloak and oily rags: Oh, wave it proudly o'er your head, The flag that's better dead than red!
Re: General Election
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:24:57PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: How about: The working class can kiss my arse I've got the foreman's job at last. Or The people's flag is deepest puce with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse Pah! Sing to the Motherland, home of the free, Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong. O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people, To Communism's triumph lead us on! sing all you want, it will be you lot who have egg on your faces when a unionist/conservative coalition government is in power in a few weeks, ohhh yes ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: General Election
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:47:18PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: sing all you want, it will be you lot who have egg on your faces when a unionist/conservative coalition government is in power in a few weeks, ohhh yes Hmmmph. paul daniels if that happens, I'll leave the country /short annoying baldie -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
Re: crazy golf
At 14:23 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally I'd rather get rid of the overtly christian holidays and stick with good old pagan stuff like May day. And not because of the labour movement, it's a *way* older holiday than that. True enough - but look! Among the nine saints that are celebrated on 1st may is St Joseph who is the patron saint of those who fight against communism. YAY No, I'm not making this up: http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/pst00162.htm insert thesis discussing how Saints are Christianity's interface with pagan tradition -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: crazy golf
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:28 PM On 01/06/2001 at 13:16 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Whatever happened to the plan to do away with that nasty socialist holiday on Mayday and replace with something much more Jingoistic - Trafalgar Day wasn't it? Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point, coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka Whitsun) Bank Holiday. No. _Good_ example. Neatly demonstrating the madness of baseing public holidays around the vagaries of a minority religion. It's not Mayday that's causing a problem here, but the three xtian dates. Abolish them and replace them with three other holidays spaced out in a more sensible fashion. Besides, people have been celebrating Mayday for _far_ longer than Easter. Anyway, Trafalgar Day would be in October- that's a shite idea, the weather's awful. We [0] want June and July holidays how about US Independence Day? We've imported plenty of other ideas from them. Hmm. I wouldn't mind a holiday in late September or October. Thanks to global warming that's often a pretty warm part of the year. Actually, celebrating US Independence Day makes a certain amount of sense. It's certainly a war _I'd_ have fought to lose :) Or make the Queen's Birthday celebrations be on a Monday and make that a bank holiday, if you have to wrap things up in pageantry. Only a very short term solution. What do you do when we become a republic? (checks - wait a minute, that pledge seems to be missing from my copy of the Labour Manifesto, shurely shome mishtake) (Isn't there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?) $deity, don't remind me. As mentioned on the walk on Monday, I think our best hope is that the QM[1] dies at about the same time and it all cancels out :) Dave... [1] But you've got to admit, she does look good for her age. Yeah, well so would I if I HADN'T DONE A FUCKING DECENT DAY'S WORK IN MY LIFE. -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: crazy golf
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [1] But you've got to admit, she does look good for her age. Yeah, well so would I if I HADN'T DONE A FUCKING DECENT DAY'S WORK IN MY LIFE. Well you don't look that good, and you are a contractor ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:40:38PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Or make the Queen's Birthday celebrations be on a Monday and make that a bank holiday, if you have to wrap things up in pageantry. Only a very short term solution. What do you do when we become a republic? Then we have independence day, to celebrate the overthrowing of N hundred years of Dutch and German oppression. Yes, if I were a royalist, I'd be a Jacobite. [1] But you've got to admit, she does look good for her age. Yeah, well so would I if I HADN'T DONE A FUCKING DECENT DAY'S WORK IN MY LIFE. So *that's* the secret to your boyish good looks Dave! I knew there had to be *something* good about contracting :-) -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:28:43PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: So *that's* the secret to your boyish good looks Dave! I knew there had to be *something* good about contracting :-) That and getting to drain the life out of the permanent staff ;) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: crazy golf
From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Um. Bad example. Unfortunately May Day is at a *really* silly point, coming just after Easter and just before the 'Early Summer' (aka Whitsun) Bank Holiday. Besides, people have been celebrating Mayday for _far_ longer than Easter. I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism, is the target for being abolished. Mayday was traditionally the fertility festival. It would make more sense to embrace the Pagan holidays seeing as they are celebrated more evenly throughout the year. Plus they don't glorify death and have a healthy celebration for life. Barbie.
Re: General Election
From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: RE: General Election From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:27 PM Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [The Red Flag] I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed to the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days. Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how I try it it still sounds bloody ugly. There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on BB's mini-album The Internationale. If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play it to you. Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :) Barbie.
RE: General Election
From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:56 PM [The Red Flag] There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on BB's mini-album The Internationale. If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play it to you. Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :) Ooh. Shiny! What's on the 7? Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:53:53PM +0100, Barbie wrote: the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism Nice try. -- diff: usage diff [whatever] etc. - plan9 has a bad day
Religion
At 15:53 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism, is the target for being abolished. Is paganism a religion? Isn't it a none of the above grouping of religions? Or does it refer to What Northern and central Europe did before the Romans? Mayday was traditionally the fertility festival. It would make more sense to embrace the Pagan holidays seeing as they are celebrated more evenly throughout the year. Plus they don't glorify death and have a healthy celebration for life. This is all true. But Christian festivals are for the most part intellectualised versions of the non-christian ones they replaced. Easter is a fertility festival. Chistmas is a winter feast. All souls day is the same as Halloween (excepting that Halloween is now just a Woolworth's marketing mechanism). The actions and spirit of paganism (say, wearing leaves and dancing round a tree in May) are good healthy things to do. The cerebral aspects of paganism are daft (If I wear leaves and dance round a tree the tree spirit will make me more fertile). To the extent Christianity leaves one alone and replaces the other, I like it. I agree that at times it hasn't done a very good job of leaving alone. But nothing's perfect... Jon, thinking Paganism and Christianity should co-exist happily as do Art and Science. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSCon London
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: Cross David - dcross writes: This one, however, had an advert on the from about the Open Source Convention. Not the San Diego Open Source Convention, but one in London on October 22 - 25. That's currently all I know, but I'll see what else I can find out. I tried like hell to make it work (and ate some shit in front of the ApacheCon people to try and make it work with them, too) but in the end there were just too many things working against it. Sorry! When will there be one? I don't know. I'd hope next year if the economy improves, but I can't promise it. As became obvious this year, wanting to do a UK conference is completely different from being able to. snippity snip I'd go to it. L. I'm a bit blase about all this free beer now.
Re: Religion
From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism, is the target for being abolished. Is paganism a religion? Yes. Just because it isn't an organised religion with official buildings and the like or a registered charity it is relagated to the none of the above category. However, within the civil service it is the only such religion that has recognised religious holidays. Or does it refer to What Northern and central Europe did before the Romans? It was the religion in these here parts several hundreds of years before the Romans ever discovered this little island. Mayday was traditionally the fertility festival. It would make more sense to embrace the Pagan holidays seeing as they are celebrated more evenly throughout the year. Plus they don't glorify death and have a healthy celebration for life. This is all true. But Christian festivals are for the most part intellectualised versions of the non-christian ones they replaced. Easter is a fertility festival. Eh? Nope it was an attempt by the Christian faith to remove every possible existance of any other religion in the provinces they conquered. It has still been happening in this century within Africa and South America. The holidays might happen at similar times, but their meanings are far from the same. All souls day is the same as Halloween All Souls Day is a celebration of all things good. Halloween is the romantised version of witchcraft being bad and tantamount to devil worshipping. Again an effort by the church to ridicule other religions. The actions and spirit of paganism (say, wearing leaves and dancing round a tree in May) are good healthy things to do. The cerebral aspects of paganism are daft (If I wear leaves and dance round a tree the tree spirit will make me more fertile). If you read up on it a bit more, you'll see that there's much more to it than that. And anyway why is that any more daft than someone going to a church and praying for God to make them fertile. They're just a person's belief, the fact they you choose to ridicule another's way acting on that belief only allows the church to perpetuate the ridicule that is placed on other religions. Faith is a very personal thing, whereas a religion dictating that other kinds of faith are bad or inferior only serves to belittle themselves IMO. Perhaps one of the reasons why the Pope is making such an effort to apologise for past persecutions. To the extent Christianity leaves one alone and replaces the other, I like it. I agree that at times it hasn't done a very good job of leaving alone. But nothing's perfect... What like the Crusades? Jon, thinking Paganism and Christianity should co-exist happily as do Art and Science. One celebrates life, the other glorifies death. Art and Science are not so extreme. BTW I'm not a Pagan, just in case you're wondering. Barbie.
Re: crazy golf
From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:53:53PM +0100, Barbie wrote: the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism Nice try. Are you saying it isn't a religion or there is another one? Barbie
RE: General Election
On Fri, 01 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on BB's mini-album The Internationale. undef error - Can't locate auto/Billy/Bragg/tune.al in @INC ... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: crazy golf
I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion, Nah, you want an interesting old religion, look at the Celts. Drinking blood has gone out of style though...
Re: crazy golf
On Friday, June 1, 2001, at 10:41 PM, Redvers Davies wrote: I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion, Nah, you want an interesting old religion, look at the Celts. Drinking blood has gone out of style though... Has it? Angel drinks blood; Spike does as well. Oops, wrong thread... Marcel -- $ perl -we time Useless use of time in void context at -e line 1.
Re: crazy golf
Redvers Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find it strange that the only surviving English/British religion, Nah, you want an interesting old religion, look at the Celts. Drinking blood has gone out of style though... Assuming you're not a Masai tribesperson. And assuming that the Romans weren't lying about the Celts (Though why would they want to do that?) -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: General Election
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 01 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote: There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on BB's mini-album The Internationale. undef error - Can't locate auto/Billy/Bragg/tune.al in @INC ... Then I suggest you try using your ears. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
