Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-14 Thread Steve Mynott

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yeah, I know, but then I compile plenty of stuff from scratch rather than
 rely on RPMs.  The real reason I haven't switched is because it's really

The drawback with 'make install' from source is that it doesn't write a
database of files owned by that source package which is the great
advantage of binary packages.  So you can't use do 'make uninstall' to
cleanly remove the program if you don't like or use it.  This is
basically what the *BSD ports system does.

It should be possible to write some wrapper for GNU configure to add a
'make uninstall' to the Makefile.  In the absence of this I usually
type 'script' to log whats installed at the 'make install' stage..

 *nasty* trying to switch from one distro to another without a) losing
 valuable config data and b) ending up with a ton of unused junk on the disk

The way to handle UNIX configuration files is like software and use
RCS.  On every system you can then type one command 'locate ,v' to see
all your local changes.  You can then systematically port config
changes to the new distribution.

 which is nigh-on impossible to tell apart from stuff that's in use.

It's a one liner to display files that haven't been used in the last
three months using 'find -atime'.  Other advantage of binary package
managers is you can then go ahead and delete large chunks of your OS
that you never use and it should warn you if it breaks other stuff.

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if we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research,
would it?  - albert einstein



Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-14 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 05:01:55AM +, Shevek wrote:
 I had always committed to the nature of Unix being that one does end up
 with a pile of stuff on disk which one doesn't use.

for i in etc usr; do
find /$i -mount -type f -atime +60 | perl -lne unlink;
done

:-)

 The point is that this
 doesn't matter.

There are some downsides: if you have have old binaries that
have slipped out of the upgrade/patch cycle you are looking at
a potential security risk. I have thought in the past "1GB is
*bound* to be a big enough /usr!" and when I hit 85% utilisation
have to look at upgrading my disk, faffing with extra mounts
or a suffering performance hit. Or clearing it all up.

 I bet you have libc5 and libc6 installed...

# dpkg -l | grep libc[56]
ii  libc6  2.2-1  GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[snip other shit]
#

Paul



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-14 Thread David H. Adler

On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 09:39:07AM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 Are there any of these left?

And how can we get them to the states?  Now that I think of it, do the
vienna/belfast contingents still have the ones that didn't make it
here last month?  I know at least a couple of ny.pm people want
them...

dha
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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-14 Thread David Hodgkinson

"David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 09:39:07AM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
  
  Are there any of these left?
 
 And how can we get them to the states?  Now that I think of it, do the
 vienna/belfast contingents still have the ones that didn't make it
 here last month?  I know at least a couple of ny.pm people want
 them...

This is where my two are going.

I'm going to the states "soon" but there's nothing certain.

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Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-14 Thread David H. Adler

On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 07:29:31PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 I'm going to the states "soon" but there's nothing certain.

Keep me informed.  I'll call a meeting.

dha

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Re: Kung Foo and PIMB

2001-01-14 Thread Mark Fowler

Aaron said:

 [Where is the kung foo night?]
 
 anyone?
 

David Hodgkinson wrote:

 [PIMB T-Shirts]
 
 Are there any of these left?
 

New t-shirt idea :

 "I know Perl!"
   "Show me!"

On the back

 use Wutan::Style;

Later.

Mark.

P.S. PINE may be silly, but the multiple reply option rocks.

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   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
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Re: Kung Foo and PIMB

2001-01-14 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
 On the back
 
  use Wutan::Style;
 

This reminds me of the conversation Case, norm  I had after crouching
tiger.. we came to the conclusion that "no, neo, you **don't** know kung
fu.".

A.

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Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-14 Thread David H. Adler

On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 05:19:18PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 03:05:48PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
  start type="holy_war"
  Or, more sensibly, debian.
  
  apt-get install foo
 
 It continues to amaze me that people still use Red Hat. It's
 just a pile of marketing driven crap.

Oh, you're much too kind.  My redhat box is disintigrating before my
very eyes.  root partition filled up for no reason and, thus I looked
at the partition table:

/
/boot
/home

With home being the largest.

What *were* they thinking when they configured this?

dha, g.

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[OT] WTD: P2/400 CPU

2001-01-14 Thread Shevek

Does anyone have a P2/400MHz CPU available (near Farringdon) at start of
play this morning? A server's just freaked one and is going to need one
pretty damn soon. This is if CEX don't have any in stock.

Ta.

S.

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Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD { ($s=$AUTOLOAD)=~s/.*:://; eval qq{ *$AUTOLOAD=$s
?sub {$s*{$s-1}} :sub {1}; }; goto $AUTOLOAD; } print {'4'}; 




Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-14 Thread David H. Adler

On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:26:28PM -0500, Mark Rogaski wrote:
 An entity claiming to be David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 : 
 : It's more than cute.  It's *BRILLIANT*.  The user doesn't even have to
 : know what computer they have.  Whilst they only support a couple of
 : combinations of architecture and OS in that script, it would be pretty
 : damned trivial to have it support a few Linux distros, Solaris, *BSD
 : and MacOS X.
 : 
 
 It's also sheer idiocy to pipe arbitrary code from an untrusted, unverified
 source directly to the shell.


But it's so much fun!  Well, on someone else's shift, anyway...

:-)

dave, just kidding, in case there was some question...

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