Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 people just seem to
 want *nix boxen configured these days :-/
 

sounds like the start of a song

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Steve Mynott

Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on
 vacation and unable to attend.  We don't know much about the
 mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate
 your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1]

I don't know if you are asking the right people here.  I think the
actions of most Europeans are as much a mystery to those in the UK as
the US.

-- 
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

the demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men
he knows to be idiots.  -- h. l. mencken



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 11:54:04PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 Since the majority of
 UK programmers work in London they are less than likely to want to attend
 a conference there in peak holiday season IMHO

Actually I'd rather it not be in the UK at all.  After all, if my employers
are going to pay to send me to a conference, then they may as well pay to
send me somewhere nice.  Rome.  Or Vienna perhaps, cos I've never been
there.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Fowler

 snip discussion about legal aspects re using a camel smoking a joint
on a t-shirt.

If these are private individuals selling t-shirts, may I suggest just
omitting the word 'perl' from anywhere on the t-shirt. Then O'Reilly's
trademark issues don't even come into effect (See page 'iv' of Programming
Perl for trademark discussion) and it's really, really got nothing to do
with them.

Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly.  IMHO they're a nice
company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has
nothing to do with it.

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  snip discussion about legal aspects re using a camel smoking a joint
 on a t-shirt.
 
 If these are private individuals selling t-shirts, may I suggest just
 omitting the word 'perl' from anywhere on the t-shirt. Then O'Reilly's
 trademark issues don't even come into effect (See page 'iv' of Programming
 Perl for trademark discussion) and it's really, really got nothing to do
 with them.

besides, ``Icon'' smoking joint has been done to death, hash bang perl is
original

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly.  IMHO they're a nice
 company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has
 nothing to do with it.

I think this is a _very_ good point.

On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that 
there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.

Dave...
[who was obviously corrupted by his primary school teachers who forced
him to sing that song over 30 years ago]



Forwarded : [fc.network] FC Sporadic for Wednesday, January 17, 2001, Cali Style

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll


several of you have probably seen this on the BB, but it came out
in todays FC newsletter ...

--- Forwarded message from The FC Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] -


snipsnipsnip

   Going anywhere nice for your holidays?

snipsnip
  
   Lovely, going out tonight?

snip
   
   Uh huh , uh huh, yeaaahh

snipsnipsnipsnipsnip

   Hows that is it enough off the back and the sides?

snipsnipsnipsnip

   Ok, sorry i know it was a bad joke - probably not even a joke, but
   i liked it, anyway back to the bit of the newsletter 


But all that Flash and stuff is so darn fancy.
Oven
Oven closed down their London office and laid off 200 people.
When: 1/11/2001
Company: Oven
Points: 119

- End forwarded message -
-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



RE: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Jonathan Peterson

 On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
 office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
 by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that
 there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.

It's not obvious! I listened to this song over and over again when I was
young and at no point did it seem at all drug induced. It's perfectly good
childrens song. Down with the conspiracy theories!

And another thing:

http://www.brunching.com/toys/drugslanger.html




Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford

David Cantrell writes:
  Linuxbierwanderung 2001.  To be held in Belgium but with a large UK
  contingent.  Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but
  will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept.  It
  would be *really* great - especially for intercontinental visitors - if
  your con could be immediately before or after the LBW.

The Amsterdam YAPC folks have a bunch of venues they're looking at,
but only some have given them specific dates they're free.  The only
dates they've been told about are for the week before the London
OScon.  I hope the L16G 2001 doesn't clash with either.

As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on
vacation and unable to attend.  We don't know much about the
mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate
your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1]
because those on the Continong will be sunning their lily-white
bottoms in the south of France instead of getting lilier-white by
hanging out with other open source geeks?[2]

Well I know Belgium effectively closes for a month but I can't 
remember if it's July or August (never _ever_ have a product that you 
can't meet demand for only produced in one place in the world and 
that being Belgium! It makes for a fun life, NOT! :-) ) and Paris 
does effectively shut down for a couple of weeks in August (Parisians 
go to the coast for their hols), so there is some precedent for 
saying Europe effectively shuts down for August.

I'm with Dave on the whole don't hold it in the UK thing, if I'm off 
to a conference I'd rather it was somewhere away from home. I'd have 
said The Netherlands but YAPC::Europe's bagged that one.

Was the choice of the UK because of possible language barriers?

Neil.

-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Tony Bowden

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
 We're planning a London Open Source Convention.  The dates we're
 looking hard at now are August 20-23.  Are there any obvious clashes

Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver:
  http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html

Tony
-- 
-
 Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk
  let's do tricks with chicks and clocks, sir
-



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
  We're planning a London Open Source Convention.  The dates we're
  looking hard at now are August 20-23.  Are there any obvious clashes
 
 Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver:
   http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html

Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all
on that cruise.

Dave...
[who was just reading the brochure last night and contemplating going
on it himself]



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
  office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
  by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that
  there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.
 
 It's not obvious! I listened to this song over and over again when I was
 young and at no point did it seem at all drug induced. It's perfectly good
 childrens song. Down with the conspiracy theories!
 

damn, this fact is in some comedy film --- ah thats right its meet 
the parents, with Robert De Niro as an ex-CIA guy who is equally
surprised at PtMD being about this.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly.  IMHO they're a nice
  company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has
  nothing to do with it.
 
 I think this is a _very_ good point.
 
 On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
 office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
 by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that 
 there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.
 
 Dave...
 [who was obviously corrupted by his primary school teachers who forced
 him to sing that song over 30 years ago]

Snopes has this to say:

http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm
 

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
  -



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread alex


In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference.

I don't know what the fuss is about, really.  London is not like Paris in
the summer.  We have a lot more parks.

Perhaps September would be better, but hey.


Alex

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined




Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
   We're planning a London Open Source Convention.  The dates we're
   looking hard at now are August 20-23.  Are there any obvious clashes
  
  Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver:
http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html
 
 Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all
 on that cruise.
 

all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise
ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make
sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire
a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At 17 Jan 2001 10:09:29 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

 Snopes has this to say:
 
 http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm

Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi
of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know 
exactly what I'm doing.

Dave...
[who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under any 
circumstances!" option instead of just "no graphics".



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:14:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:

 Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi
 of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know 
 exactly what I'm doing.
 
 Dave...
 [who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under any 
 circumstances!" option instead of just "no graphics".

junkbuster is your friend.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
We're planning a London Open Source Convention.  The dates we're
looking hard at now are August 20-23.  Are there any obvious clashes
  
   Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver:
 http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html

  Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all
  on that cruise.


all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise
ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make
sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire
a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it.

You don't wan't to do that, it's likely to be the only female on the 
ship. And anyway, we'd need something to keep Randal amused on the 
long trip (and it would be a _long_ trip from the Pacific Northwest 
to Europe).

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



Re: Godzilla

2001-01-17 Thread Philip Newton

Simon Wistow wrote:
 ... it's your birthday [0]
 
 Well it's probably not. But it is mine. 
 
 I'll be drowning my sorrows in Southside bar (south east corner of
 Princes Gardens, SW7 [1]) from about 6:30pm onwards (or possibly
 earlier) if anybody wants to buy me a drink.

Do you accept PayPal?

Cheers,
Philip :-)



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread James Powell

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote:
 
 In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference.
 
 I don't know what the fuss is about, really.  London is not like Paris in
 the summer.  We have a lot more parks.
 
 Perhaps September would be better, but hey.
 

Yeah ditto...



jp



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread James Powell

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:47:37AM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote:
 
 David Cantrell writes:
 
 Actually I'd rather it not be in the UK at all.  After all, if my employers
 are going to pay to send me to a conference, then they may as well pay to
 send me somewhere nice.  Rome.  Or Vienna perhaps, cos I've never been
 there.
 
 Good idea, hold it in Vienna. Makes for an easy commute (for a change).

This means nothing to me, ohhh...

(sorry)



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[Vienna]
 
 This means nothing to me, ohhh...

True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two 
for weeks, by Another Record.

Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record 
was.

Dave...



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Kitching
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention






 
 This means nothing to me, ohhh...

True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. 
It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record.

Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to 
tell me what Another Record was.

Dave...


Was it Shaddap a yer Face? Tragic!


Markk.





RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Gareth Harper
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention





Joe Dolce Shaddap ya face


-Original Message-
From: Dave Cross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 17 January 2001 12:03
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention



At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[Vienna]

 This means nothing to me, ohhh...


True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record.


Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was.


Dave...





RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:09:46 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This means nothing to me, ohhh...
 
 True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. 
 It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record.
 
 Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to 
 tell me what Another Record was.
 
 Was it "Shaddap a yer Face"? Tragic!

It was indeed. I owe you a pint. Of course you'll have to come to the
meeting on Thursday to collect :)

(I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the
lurkers out of hiding :)

Dave...



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[Vienna]

  This means nothing to me, ohhh...

True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was 
help at number two for weeks, by Another Record.

Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me 
what Another Record was.

Shut uppa your face by Joe Dolca (spelling is probably wrong but I 
can't be arsed to trawl the web to check.

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mark Kitching
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention






 
 Was it Shaddap a yer Face? Tragic!

It was indeed. I owe you a pint. Of course you'll have to come to the
meeting on Thursday to collect :)

(I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the
lurkers out of hiding :)

Dave...



Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this 
due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more.


Markk.


if you want to buy me a pint by proxy, send the cash to. :-)





Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Leon Brocard

Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether:

 We're planning a London Open Source Convention.  The dates we're
 looking hard at now are August 20-23.  Are there any obvious clashes
 that you can think of?

Other than yapc::europe, which is currently looking like early august,
but as you know still a little unorganised, not much.

I'm getting a bit worried as to the large number of conferences I want
to go to this summer...

Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/

... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Struan Donald

* at 17/01 07:03 -0500 Dave Cross said:
 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [Vienna]
  
  This means nothing to me, ohhh...
 
 True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number 
two for weeks, by Another Record.
 
 Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another 
Record was.

shuttupay face by joe dolce (approximately at any rate :)

struan



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[Joe Dolce]

 Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I 
 knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really 
 must get out more.

And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who 
remembers it happening :)

Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess
this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all
work going on...

...or maybe Mark's working on a project that was _so_ designed that
he has spare time to spend reading emails the second they arrive :)

Dave...



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Philip Newton

Leon Brocard wrote:
 Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  We're planning a London Open Source Convention.  The dates we're
  looking hard at now are August 20-23.  Are there any obvious clashes
  that you can think of?
 
 Other than yapc::europe, which is currently looking like early august,
 but as you know still a little unorganised, not much.

Speaking of which, do you know whether the yapc::Europe::19101 organisers
are planning to resurrect the yapc-europe mailing list for dissemination of
propaganda^W^W^Wsending out information? Or maybe another mailing list?

Is there any info at all at this stage (e.g. venue, rough dates)?

Cheers,
Philip



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [Vienna]
  
  This means nothing to me, ohhh...
 
 True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number 
two for weeks, by Another Record.
 
 Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another 
Record was.

Agadoo.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
  -



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dean S Wilson

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote:

 In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference.

 I don't know what the fuss is about, really.  London is not like
Paris in
 the summer.  We have a lot more parks.

 Perhaps September would be better, but hey.


I could go with September, if you go for before August the start of
July has a selection of stuff already in planning:

The summer Linux Developers' Conference Fri 29th June to Sun 1st July.

Linux Expo Weds 4th - Thurs 5th July in London.

LinuxTag Stuttgart (Germany) 5th-8th July 2001.

Also there is going to be a UKLISA in the second half of this year but
I'm not too sure of dates.

HTH
Dean

--
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand.
   ---  Anon




Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dean S Wilson

-Original Message-
From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the
lurkers out of hiding :)


Nope its the lure of free alcohol.

Dean
-- 
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand.
   ---  Anon




Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena

 
 On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the
 office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written
 by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that 
 there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious.

I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous
substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is
probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although
hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still.

A.

-- 
A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A
"As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a 
complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Agadoo.

Forget it.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
  -



Forwarded : [announce] two new languages (fwd)

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll


havent had a chance ot look at these yet, but they sound like the
sort of thing some of you sick^H^H^H^Himaginative people would enjoy


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localhost
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:57:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Pinyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [announce] two new languages (fwd)
Precedence: bulk

HQ9 is precious.

-- 
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:51:01 -0800
From: Brian Raiter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [announce] two new languages

An enterprising programmer by the name of Cliff Biffle recently sent
me email (apparently he found me via my Brainfuck web page) telling me
about two new languages he's created, and I thought the list should
know about them:

1. Tangle http://www.cliff.biffle.org/tangle/, so called because it
   is meant to encourage spaghetti-structure; and
2. HQ9+ http://www.cliff.biffle.org/hq.html. In hindsight, I can see
   that this is a language that has been long overdue in coming.

b

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Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Piers Cawley

Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
   We're planning a London Open Source Convention.  The dates we're
   looking hard at now are August 20-23.  Are there any obvious clashes
  
  Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver:
http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html
 
 Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all
 on that cruise.
 
 Dave...
 [who was just reading the brochure last night and contemplating going
 on it himself]

Do it. I did the first one and it was *enormously* good fun.

-- 
Piers




Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Leon Brocard

Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether:

 Is there any info at all at this stage (e.g. venue, rough dates)?

Once a venue has been found, things will start to happen. Give it a
couple of weeks.

Leon
-- 
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yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/

... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!



Re: Godzilla

2001-01-17 Thread Simon Wistow

Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Simon Wistow wrote:
   ... it's your birthday [0]
  
   Well it's probably not. But it is mine.
  
   I'll be drowning my sorrows in Southside bar (south east corner of
   Princes Gardens, SW7 [1]) from about 6:30pm onwards (or possibly
   earlier) if anybody wants to buy me a drink.
 
 Actually, this could be do-able. How close to South Ken tube is it?

Walk up Exhibition Rd passed Nat Hist, VA and Sci. Museum. 5 minutes
tops.



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[Joe Dolce]

  Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I
  knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really
  must get out more.

And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who
remembers it happening :)

Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess
this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all
work going on...

On that basis I should have got there first :-)

"I go into the office, I don't go to work" - me, recently.

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Jonathan Peterson

 all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise
 ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make
 sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire
 a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it.


Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills
to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we
will drive it at full speed up the Thames and attempt to ram HMS Belfast.




RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Kieran Barry

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [Joe Dolce]
 
  Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I 
  knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really 
  must get out more.
 
 And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who 
 remembers it happening :)
 
 Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess
 this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all
 work going on...
 
I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked
off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung
about at number 2 for yonks.

Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? Hint:
trick question.

Regards

Kieran




RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked
 off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung
 about at number 2 for yonks.

Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens
for the 1980s?

 Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? 
 Hint: trick question.

Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html
it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983.

Dave...



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills
 to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we

don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that
james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots
used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM)
sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah

Greg - who is easily bought

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Wyer

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills
 to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we

don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that
james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots
used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM)
sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah

Psions are eminently capable of hacking- I use my Ericsson rebadged 5MX
as a pocketable terminal emulator at work- plugs straight into a serial
port with decent terminal support. Ideal for administering UPSs, remote
power control units, and machines with the system administrator shell
running on the serial port.

Cheers,
Mike
-- 
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http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~mw ||  Gaspode the Wonder Dog
Work:  +44 020 7594 8440||
Mobile: +44 07879 697119||  ICQ: 43922064




Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Mike Wyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills
  to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we
 
 don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that
 james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots
 used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM)
 sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah
 
 Psions are eminently capable of hacking- I use my Ericsson rebadged 5MX
 as a pocketable terminal emulator at work- plugs straight into a serial
 port with decent terminal support. Ideal for administering UPSs, remote
 power control units, and machines with the system administrator shell
 running on the serial port.
 

the upcoming Nokia communicator, with the colour screen and the EPOC
operating system is what i'm waiting for. especially as it can now
download other EPOC programs to run on it. very nifty indeed, but
i would say that.

Greg 

(disclosure : Greg works for Symbian currently)

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford

* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills
  to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we

don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that
james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots
used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM)
sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah

Greg - who is easily bought

Best use of a PDA does of course go to a movie that follows on from 
an earlier discussion, Under Seige 2 and the newton fax sending scene 
:-)

Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie 
who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being 
killed in the first 10 minutes or so.

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote:
 Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie 
 who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being 
 killed in the first 10 minutes or so.

Executive Decision.

Michael



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Steve Mynott

Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked
  off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung
  about at number 2 for yonks.
 
 Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens
 for the 1980s?

I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the
"Guiness Book of Hit Singles".

-- 
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

i have great faith in fools -- self confidence my friends call it.
-- edgar allan poe



The crack is very good today

2001-01-17 Thread Roger Burton West

Given an array full of data which need to be output as a CSV...

return join(',',map{defined$_?s/"/''/g+1?/,/?"\"$_\"":$_:0:''}@{$ar})."\n";

Roger



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Dave Cross

At 17 Jan 2001 15:54:31 +, Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s?
 
 I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the
 "Guiness Book of Hit Singles".

Yeah. Great book. I should buy a copy. But new editions come out every
year and I just know that I'd end up buying every edition once I 
started.

This is just the kind of stuff that _should_ be on the web.

Dave...



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Redvers Davies

 I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous
 substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is
 probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although
 hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still.

Myself and a couple of friends of mine were talking about this before
and someone suggested that ingestion in cakes was healthier still and
more "effective".

I don't know if this is the case but i'm nosy so if anyone knows the
answer please let us (or me privatly) know.





Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote:
  Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie
  who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being
  killed in the first 10 minutes or so.

Executive Decision.

That's the sucker!

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.binky.ourshack.org



Re: Godzilla

2001-01-17 Thread Redvers Davies

 Walk up Exhibition Rd passed Nat Hist, VA and Sci. Museum. 5 minutes
 tops.

Make a backup plan - the road was closed this morning due to a gas explosion[0].

[0] JCB + Gas Main + Electrical Cables = 12 ft high flames.





Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:25:26PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
  
  ingestion has several downsides - lack of control of dosage (assuming you
  eat it at a significant lump at a time), longer effects, stronger
  effects (making it hard to get dosage right) and also slow absorbtion.
 
 Though all of those could be advantages too :-)

yes - perfect for that ozrics or hawkwind gig. 

A.

-- 
A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A
"As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a 
complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal 
Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)






Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Simon Wistow

Dave Cross wrote:
 
 Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html
 it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983.

Number ones on this day ..

5 years ago ..  Michael Jackson - 'Earth Song'
10  .. Iron Maiden - 'Take your daughter to the slaughter'
15  .. Pet Shop Boys  - ' West End Girls'
20  .. John Lennon - 'Imagine'
24  .. Queen - 'Bohemian Rapsody'

other people with birthdays on this day include Paul Young, Susanna
Hoffs (of the Bangles), Andy Rourke (bassist with the Smiths), Joan
Colins, Al Capone, Anne Bronte, Nevil Shute, Kid Rocks, Shabba Ranks,
Eartha Kitt, Ben Franklin and Muhammed Ali.

In 1946 the United Nations Security Council held its first meeting but
the Gulf War started today in 1991

On Jan 17th in 1995 ther San Fransico earthquake caused 20 billion
dollars of damage and exactly a year later more than 6000 people were
killed because of an earth quake in Kobe, Japan.

In 1997 a court in Ireland granted the first divorce in the Roman
Catholic country's history. 
 

Not that I have any special interest in today. Sure are a lot of earth
quakes though.

Simon
[barely able to focus on screen : liquid lunch++]



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Kieran Barry

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked
  off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung
  about at number 2 for yonks.
 
 Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens
 for the 1980s?
 
  Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? 
  Hint: trick question.
 
 Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html
 it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983.
 
Hmm. I seem to recall that Sweet Dreams got to number two while the
Police (Every Breath You Take) was at the top, then another mega-hit
(Beat It? C'mon Eileen?) came along as well. I obviouly blinked and
missed the week at the top.

Regards

Kieran




Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread David H. Adler

[snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion]

Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew
Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I
have requested that she do so if she speaks to him.

dave, getting this settled.

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Perl can certainly be used as a first computer language, but it was
really designed to be a *last* computer language. - Larry Wall



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-17 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 [snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion]
 
 Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew
 Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I
 have requested that she do so if she speaks to him.
 
 dave, getting this settled.
 

ah the joy of 7 degrees of seperation

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis

Gareth Harper wrote:

there are sites with all the no1's, but I don't know of any with all the
top tens,
theres probably one around, if not, start one ;)

Who's chart would you use?  I.E., who do you want to be sued by?  I don't
know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about
such things.

I don't think RR would let you do it either.  And with RR, you have to
decide if you want CHR/pop or CHR/rythmic.  And then you hit the problem
that CHR used to be one category.

Neither one of them has a searchable archive of charts on their websites.
Bastards.

10 years ago today, Vanilla Ice had the no. 1 album in the US.  MC Hammer
was no. 2.


--
Mike
(html email is icky)




Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Tony Bowden

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
 Who's chart would you use?  I.E., who do you want to be sued by?  I don't
 know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about
 such things.

They can't easily sue.

The information is factual. Factual information cannot be
copyrighted. Only the arrangement of it.

If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then
there's nothing they can do...

(ObDisclaimer: IANAL, although I have taken legal advice on this matter...)

Tony
-- 
-
 Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk
 if more people were screaming then I could relax
-



Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Roger Burton West

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:34:21PM +, Tony Bowden wrote:

If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then
there's nothing they can do...

Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a
differing viewpoint.

Roger



Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-17 Thread Paul Makepeace

Just to reinforce the point that this OS is a steaming pile of crap, and that
if you're in the unfortunate situation of actually running it, watch out
(130,000 nodes scanned in 15mins):

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-202-4508359-0.html

Internet worm squirms into Linux servers
By Robert Lemos
Special to CNET News.com
January 17, 2001, 9:25 a.m. PT
URL: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4508359-0.html

An Internet worm cobbled together from generally available hacking tools has
compromised hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Linux servers by using two
well-known security flaws in applications set up during the default
installation of Red Hat Linux software.

Known as the Ramen worm, the self-spreading program appears to have been
created by common Internet vandals--called script kiddies. As of Wednesday
morning, the worm was continuing to spread.

"This is not a very dangerous worm," said Lance Spitzner, coordinator for
the Honeynet Project, a group of well-known security experts who study how
hackers attack servers. "It has a very big signature; it is easy to find;
and it doesn't really do anything destructive."

The worm spreads by scanning the Internet for servers based on Red Hat 6.2
or 7.0 and then attempts to gain access using two common exploits. When it
does gain access, it installs a so-called root kit, which patches the
security holes and installs special programs that replace common system
functions. Ramen also replaces the main page on Web servers with an HTML
file claiming: "RameN Crew--Hackers love noodles."

Finally, the new worm sends an e-mail message to two Web-based accounts,
boots up and starts scanning the Internet again.

Spitzner and other security experts on the Bugtraq mailing list detected the
worm earlier this week when they noticed an increase in scans for the
RPC.statd and wu-FTP vulnerabilities that plague the default installations
of most Linux servers. The worm, however, limits its spread to servers based
on Red Hat 6.2 and 7.0.

RPC.statd is one of several services that a Linux server can run to offer
remote access using a common suite of programs known as remote procedure
calls. Washington University's version of the common file server, known as
wu-FTP, has a flaw that also allows access. Patches for both flaws are
readily available.

Mihai Moldovanu, a Romanian programmer who reverse-engineered much of the
worm on Tuesday, said that Ramen is spreading very rapidly.

"Once the worm starts scanning, it will consume a large amount of your
Internet bandwidth," Moldovanu said. "The scanning is very fast." According
to Moldovanu, the worm scanned two B-class networks--about 130,000 Internet
addresses--in less than 15 minutes.

"The worm itself seems dangerous due to bandwidth consumption and due to the
(unproven) possibility of remote-accessing the compromised box by the worm
author," he added.

Because of its ability to spread without any human intervention and because
it targets servers based on Linux--a cousin of Unix--the Ramen worm
resembles the Morris Worm that used a common e-mail service to spread
through the Internet--then called the Arpanet--in early November 1988.

The Morris worm, named after its creator, the Cornell University graduate
student Robert Morris, overloaded the Internet with e-mail as it attempted
to spread among Unix servers.

The Computer Emergency Response Team at Carnegie-Mellon--created in the
aftermath of the Morris Worm--is currently studying the Ramen worm,
spokesman Bill Pollock said Wednesday.
___


--
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Thus spake the Master Programmer:
  "Let the programmers be many and the managers few --
then all will
  be productive." (http://misspiggy.gsfc.nasa.gov/tao.html)




Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Houston

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:59:56PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 Just to reinforce the point that this OS is a steaming pile of crap

Aww c'mon! RedHat was obviously targeted because it's the most
widely used! None of the vulnerable software was written by RH
(and all of it was also included in other distros).

 .robin.



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis

Tony Bowden wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
  Who's chart would you use?  I.E., who do you want to be sued
 by?  I don't
  know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very
 picky about
  such things.

 They can't easily sue.

 The information is factual. Factual information cannot be
 copyrighted. Only the arrangement of it.

Nope.  What is a chart?  Billboard or RR or whoever's view of what the most
popular songs in a given week were.  They all use different methodologies,
and are sort of an estimation as to what the popular songs are.

There is no "fact" of a song being no. 1.  It would be a stronger argument
with ratings, but Arbitron owns all of the research the ratings are based on
and are, if possible, more litigious than Billboard.

On a note remotely related to computers, Napster nemesis Metallica's bass
player quit.

"Due to private and personal reasons, and the physical damage that I have
done to myself over the years while playing the music that I love, I must
step away from the band," Newsted said in a statement.

--
mike




RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, you wrote:

 Who's chart would you use?  I.E., who do you want to be sued by?  I don't
 know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about
 such things.

jsut do them as they do to you ...

(or indeed as some guy is doing to the football league right now) publish
a set of web pages for next weeks charts that include all possible
permutations of the current top 20 for NEXT WEEK .. explicitly state they
are copyright and permission is required to reproduce this original work
... then when next weeks top 10 comes out and Billboard publish a top
10 that matches one of your pages sue them blind... remove the all but 1
selected page from the site .. 

alternatively publish it under a GNU licence and then from this day
forward anyone who wants to publish a top 10 can publish a copy of of one
of your pages which being published a week ahead were there first and id
like to see Billboard say otherwise.

a guy is doing this to the football league (who sue people who publish
copies of the fixture lists without paying) .. hes published copies of
every possible combination of fixtures in advance of the draw and thereby
claims copyright on this original work. he then intends to promote a
'selected excerpt' from his original work after the draw, and sue the
football league if they infringe his copyright by publishing an identical
list.   hes obviously mad, but hey .. he might even win :)

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis

Robin Szemeti wrote:

 jsut do them as they do to you ...
snip the arsenal fan story

 ... then when next weeks top 10 comes out and Billboard publish a top
 10 that matches one of your pages sue them blind... remove the all but 1
 selected page from the site ..

The problem would be, you still couldn't post your top 10 as the Billboard
top 10.  And when Billboard published the results of their research, it
wouldn't be infringing on your list, even if the songs were the same.

There is absolutly nothing stopping you from publishing your own top 10
though.  You could draw the names out of a hat and have as much claim to
accuracy as anybody else.

If week after week you came up with the same results as Billboard, you
better have your methodolgy documented somewhere.


--
mike




Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote:
 From: "Robin Houston" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aww c'mon! RedHat was obviously targeted because it's the most
  widely used! None of the vulnerable software was written by RH
  (and all of it was also included in other distros).
 
 That's true -- but how easy is RH to upgrade/patch? And why is RH7 shipping
 with all these services turned on? (NFS? rpc.*? Hello?) Perhaps *that's* why
 it's a steaming pile of crap getting hacked the whole time.

umm just because the default configuration is not optimal does not IMHO
make the whole thing a steaming pile of crap ... sure having rpc turned on
is a bit dumb if you have no need of it and its as holey as my socks, 
but these things are easy to fix and anyone setting up a server should
have enough clue to turn em off ...  anyone running wu-ftpd on a
permanently connected machine is asking for trouble. 

in the end you need a decent ipchains set up as well .. and dump ftp and
telnet who needs em? .. firewall off everything apart from
smtp,dns,https(s) and ssh and you're about there, establish a
few routes to a few trusted hosts and  that about does it.

at least a quick tweak with a rpm or two can make it into a decent
install, where as many other OS's are plain incurable.

All seem to have a weakness from Solaris to Plan9 .. redhat just got
rooted because it was popular .. 

as a matter of interest what is your fave Linux or *nix install then??

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote:

 There is absolutly nothing stopping you from publishing your own top 10
 though.  You could draw the names out of a hat and have as much claim to
 accuracy as anybody else.
 
 If week after week you came up with the same results as Billboard, you
 better have your methodolgy documented somewhere.

and if I publish all the variants .. and each week Billboard 'copy' one
of my 'works of art' can I sue them ? :)

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Online Time

2001-01-17 Thread Robin Szemeti

from this quarters BT bill I managed to accumulate 786 hours of internet
time .. anyone top that?

in my defence it would have been higher, but I was on holiday for 3 weeks
at christmas

best of all though was the price . i paid for Surfttime-anytime ... so
hte ackchewerl calls came to =  0:00p

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Zebware

2001-01-17 Thread Paul Makepeace

Anyone read/heard about http://www.zebware.com/ ? I just read an article on
them in Open (Jan 2001) issue.

In particular from their About page,

"Equally important, web pages become a medium for collaboration, allowing
geographically dispersed groups to seamlessly interact with each other in
real time. Users access our technology using only a browser, from a variety
of computer platforms and devices, without the need for technical expertise,
software downloads or plug-ins."

I haven't tried this with Netscape but with IE every element on their pages
is drag and drop-able in an impressive/disconcerting way. They employ some
serious clustering tech as well.

Paul





RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Mike Jarvis

Robin Szemeti wrote:
 and if I publish all the variants .. and each week Billboard 'copy' one
 of my 'works of art' can I sue them ? :)

Did you label the variants as Billboard charts?  If not, they aren't
publishing the same thing.  A list of songs is not a chart.

--
mike