Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1] I don't know if you are asking the right people here. I think the actions of most Europeans are as much a mystery to those in the UK as the US. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. -- h. l. mencken
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 11:54:04PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: Since the majority of UK programmers work in London they are less than likely to want to attend a conference there in peak holiday season IMHO Actually I'd rather it not be in the UK at all. After all, if my employers are going to pay to send me to a conference, then they may as well pay to send me somewhere nice. Rome. Or Vienna perhaps, cos I've never been there. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: PIMB T-shirts
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: snip discussion about legal aspects re using a camel smoking a joint on a t-shirt. If these are private individuals selling t-shirts, may I suggest just omitting the word 'perl' from anywhere on the t-shirt. Then O'Reilly's trademark issues don't even come into effect (See page 'iv' of Programming Perl for trademark discussion) and it's really, really got nothing to do with them. besides, ``Icon'' smoking joint has been done to death, hash bang perl is original -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: PIMB T-shirts
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly. IMHO they're a nice company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has nothing to do with it. I think this is a _very_ good point. On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. Dave... [who was obviously corrupted by his primary school teachers who forced him to sing that song over 30 years ago]
RE: PIMB T-shirts
On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. It's not obvious! I listened to this song over and over again when I was young and at no point did it seem at all drug induced. It's perfectly good childrens song. Down with the conspiracy theories! And another thing: http://www.brunching.com/toys/drugslanger.html
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
David Cantrell writes: Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It would be *really* great - especially for intercontinental visitors - if your con could be immediately before or after the LBW. The Amsterdam YAPC folks have a bunch of venues they're looking at, but only some have given them specific dates they're free. The only dates they've been told about are for the week before the London OScon. I hope the L16G 2001 doesn't clash with either. As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1] because those on the Continong will be sunning their lily-white bottoms in the south of France instead of getting lilier-white by hanging out with other open source geeks?[2] Well I know Belgium effectively closes for a month but I can't remember if it's July or August (never _ever_ have a product that you can't meet demand for only produced in one place in the world and that being Belgium! It makes for a fun life, NOT! :-) ) and Paris does effectively shut down for a couple of weeks in August (Parisians go to the coast for their hols), so there is some precedent for saying Europe effectively shuts down for August. I'm with Dave on the whole don't hold it in the UK thing, if I'm off to a conference I'd rather it was somewhere away from home. I'd have said The Netherlands but YAPC::Europe's bagged that one. Was the choice of the UK because of possible language barriers? Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk let's do tricks with chicks and clocks, sir -
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all on that cruise. Dave... [who was just reading the brochure last night and contemplating going on it himself]
Re: PIMB T-shirts
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. It's not obvious! I listened to this song over and over again when I was young and at no point did it seem at all drug induced. It's perfectly good childrens song. Down with the conspiracy theories! damn, this fact is in some comedy film --- ah thats right its meet the parents, with Robert De Niro as an ex-CIA guy who is equally surprised at PtMD being about this. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: PIMB T-shirts
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly. IMHO they're a nice company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has nothing to do with it. I think this is a _very_ good point. On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. Dave... [who was obviously corrupted by his primary school teachers who forced him to sing that song over 30 years ago] Snopes has this to say: http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all on that cruise. all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: PIMB T-shirts
At 17 Jan 2001 10:09:29 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Puff the Magic Dragon] Snopes has this to say: http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know exactly what I'm doing. Dave... [who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under any circumstances!" option instead of just "no graphics".
Re: PIMB T-shirts
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:14:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know exactly what I'm doing. Dave... [who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under any circumstances!" option instead of just "no graphics". junkbuster is your friend. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all on that cruise. all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it. You don't wan't to do that, it's likely to be the only female on the ship. And anyway, we'd need something to keep Randal amused on the long trip (and it would be a _long_ trip from the Pacific Northwest to Europe). Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
Re: Godzilla
Simon Wistow wrote: ... it's your birthday [0] Well it's probably not. But it is mine. I'll be drowning my sorrows in Southside bar (south east corner of Princes Gardens, SW7 [1]) from about 6:30pm onwards (or possibly earlier) if anybody wants to buy me a drink. Do you accept PayPal? Cheers, Philip :-)
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. Yeah ditto... jp
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:47:37AM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote: David Cantrell writes: Actually I'd rather it not be in the UK at all. After all, if my employers are going to pay to send me to a conference, then they may as well pay to send me somewhere nice. Rome. Or Vienna perhaps, cos I've never been there. Good idea, hold it in Vienna. Makes for an easy commute (for a change). This means nothing to me, ohhh... (sorry)
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Vienna] This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was. Dave...
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Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was. Dave... Was it Shaddap a yer Face? Tragic! Markk.
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention Joe Dolce Shaddap ya face -Original Message- From: Dave Cross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2001 12:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:00:57 +, James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Vienna] This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was. Dave...
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:09:46 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This means nothing to me, ohhh... True pop fact: Vienna never made it to number one in the UK. It was help at number two for weeks, by Another Record. Pop quiz: A pint on Thursday night to the first person to tell me what Another Record was. Was it "Shaddap a yer Face"? Tragic! It was indeed. I owe you a pint. Of course you'll have to come to the meeting on Thursday to collect :) (I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the lurkers out of hiding :) Dave...
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Title: RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention Was it Shaddap a yer Face? Tragic! It was indeed. I owe you a pint. Of course you'll have to come to the meeting on Thursday to collect :) (I'll have to remember that pop quizzes are a good way to force the lurkers out of hiding :) Dave... Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. Markk. if you want to buy me a pint by proxy, send the cash to. :-)
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Other than yapc::europe, which is currently looking like early august, but as you know still a little unorganised, not much. I'm getting a bit worried as to the large number of conferences I want to go to this summer... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who remembers it happening :) Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all work going on... ...or maybe Mark's working on a project that was _so_ designed that he has spare time to spend reading emails the second they arrive :) Dave...
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Leon Brocard wrote: Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes that you can think of? Other than yapc::europe, which is currently looking like early august, but as you know still a little unorganised, not much. Speaking of which, do you know whether the yapc::Europe::19101 organisers are planning to resurrect the yapc-europe mailing list for dissemination of propaganda^W^W^Wsending out information? Or maybe another mailing list? Is there any info at all at this stage (e.g. venue, rough dates)? Cheers, Philip
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. I could go with September, if you go for before August the start of July has a selection of stuff already in planning: The summer Linux Developers' Conference Fri 29th June to Sun 1st July. Linux Expo Weds 4th - Thurs 5th July in London. LinuxTag Stuttgart (Germany) 5th-8th July 2001. Also there is going to be a UKLISA in the second half of this year but I'm not too sure of dates. HTH Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: PIMB T-shirts
On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still. A. -- A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agadoo. Forget it. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Forwarded : [announce] two new languages (fwd)
havent had a chance ot look at these yet, but they sound like the sort of thing some of you sick^H^H^H^Himaginative people would enjoy - Forwarded message from Jeff Pinyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - X-Authentication-Warning: mccarroll.demon.co.uk: Host [127.0.0.1] claimed to be localhost Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:57:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Pinyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [announce] two new languages (fwd) Precedence: bulk HQ9 is precious. -- Jeff "japhy" Pinyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pobox.com/~japhy/ CPAN - #1 Perl Resource (my id: PINYAN) http://search.cpan.org/ PerlMonks - An Online Perl Community http://www.perlmonks.com/ The Perl Archive - Articles, Forums, etc. http://www.perlarchive.com/ -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:51:01 -0800 From: Brian Raiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [announce] two new languages An enterprising programmer by the name of Cliff Biffle recently sent me email (apparently he found me via my Brainfuck web page) telling me about two new languages he's created, and I thought the list should know about them: 1. Tangle http://www.cliff.biffle.org/tangle/, so called because it is meant to encourage spaghetti-structure; and 2. HQ9+ http://www.cliff.biffle.org/hq.html. In hindsight, I can see that this is a language that has been long overdue in coming. b **Majordomo list services provided by PANIX URL:http://www.panix.com** **To Unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe ny" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]** - End forwarded message - -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:25 +, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: We're planning a London Open Source Convention. The dates we're looking hard at now are August 20-23. Are there any obvious clashes Depends on how quickly people can get back from Vancouver: http://www.geekcruises.com/home/ss_home.html Now that _could_ be a major problem. Damian, MJD and Randal are all on that cruise. Dave... [who was just reading the brochure last night and contemplating going on it himself] Do it. I did the first one and it was *enormously* good fun. -- Piers
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Is there any info at all at this stage (e.g. venue, rough dates)? Once a venue has been found, things will start to happen. Give it a couple of weeks. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!
Re: Godzilla
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon Wistow wrote: ... it's your birthday [0] Well it's probably not. But it is mine. I'll be drowning my sorrows in Southside bar (south east corner of Princes Gardens, SW7 [1]) from about 6:30pm onwards (or possibly earlier) if anybody wants to buy me a drink. Actually, this could be do-able. How close to South Ken tube is it? Walk up Exhibition Rd passed Nat Hist, VA and Sci. Museum. 5 minutes tops.
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who remembers it happening :) Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all work going on... On that basis I should have got there first :-) "I go into the office, I don't go to work" - me, recently. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
all we'd need to do is hire some terrorists to take over the cruise ship and sale it across to london - of course someone should make sure we shoot the cook before the operation starts, oh and fire a couple of rounds into the birthday cake while your at it. Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we will drive it at full speed up the Thames and attempt to ram HMS Belfast.
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:18:12 -, Mark Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Joe Dolce] Do any others watch those Top Ten blah programs on Ch4? I think I knew this due to watching the Top Ten Comedy records! Wow, I really must get out more. And there's me thinking that you must be an old git like me who remembers it happening :) Everyone else was, of course, correct too. But Mark was fastest. I guess this is an advantage of working somewhere where there's bugger all work going on... I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? Hint: trick question. Regards Kieran
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? Hint: trick question. Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Dave...
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM) sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah Greg - who is easily bought -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM) sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah Psions are eminently capable of hacking- I use my Ericsson rebadged 5MX as a pocketable terminal emulator at work- plugs straight into a serial port with decent terminal support. Ideal for administering UPSs, remote power control units, and machines with the system administrator shell running on the serial port. Cheers, Mike -- Mike Wyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] || "Woof?" http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~mw || Gaspode the Wonder Dog Work: +44 020 7594 8440|| Mobile: +44 07879 697119|| ICQ: 43922064
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
* Mike Wyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM) sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah Psions are eminently capable of hacking- I use my Ericsson rebadged 5MX as a pocketable terminal emulator at work- plugs straight into a serial port with decent terminal support. Ideal for administering UPSs, remote power control units, and machines with the system administrator shell running on the serial port. the upcoming Nokia communicator, with the colour screen and the EPOC operating system is what i'm waiting for. especially as it can now download other EPOC programs to run on it. very nifty indeed, but i would say that. Greg (disclosure : Greg works for Symbian currently) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM) sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah Greg - who is easily bought Best use of a PDA does of course go to a movie that follows on from an earlier discussion, Under Seige 2 and the newton fax sending scene :-) Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. Michael
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the "Guiness Book of Hit Singles". -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have great faith in fools -- self confidence my friends call it. -- edgar allan poe
The crack is very good today
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Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
At 17 Jan 2001 15:54:31 +, Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the "Guiness Book of Hit Singles". Yeah. Great book. I should buy a copy. But new editions come out every year and I just know that I'd end up buying every edition once I started. This is just the kind of stuff that _should_ be on the web. Dave...
Re: PIMB T-shirts
I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still. Myself and a couple of friends of mine were talking about this before and someone suggested that ingestion in cakes was healthier still and more "effective". I don't know if this is the case but i'm nosy so if anyone knows the answer please let us (or me privatly) know.
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +, Neil Ford wrote: Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being killed in the first 10 minutes or so. Executive Decision. That's the sucker! Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
Re: Godzilla
Walk up Exhibition Rd passed Nat Hist, VA and Sci. Museum. 5 minutes tops. Make a backup plan - the road was closed this morning due to a gas explosion[0]. [0] JCB + Gas Main + Electrical Cables = 12 ft high flames.
Re: PIMB T-shirts
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:25:26PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote: ingestion has several downsides - lack of control of dosage (assuming you eat it at a significant lump at a time), longer effects, stronger effects (making it hard to get dosage right) and also slow absorbtion. Though all of those could be advantages too :-) yes - perfect for that ozrics or hawkwind gig. A. -- A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Dave Cross wrote: Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Number ones on this day .. 5 years ago .. Michael Jackson - 'Earth Song' 10 .. Iron Maiden - 'Take your daughter to the slaughter' 15 .. Pet Shop Boys - ' West End Girls' 20 .. John Lennon - 'Imagine' 24 .. Queen - 'Bohemian Rapsody' other people with birthdays on this day include Paul Young, Susanna Hoffs (of the Bangles), Andy Rourke (bassist with the Smiths), Joan Colins, Al Capone, Anne Bronte, Nevil Shute, Kid Rocks, Shabba Ranks, Eartha Kitt, Ben Franklin and Muhammed Ali. In 1946 the United Nations Security Council held its first meeting but the Gulf War started today in 1991 On Jan 17th in 1995 ther San Fransico earthquake caused 20 billion dollars of damage and exactly a year later more than 6000 people were killed because of an earth quake in Kobe, Japan. In 1997 a court in Ireland granted the first divorce in the Roman Catholic country's history. Not that I have any special interest in today. Sure are a lot of earth quakes though. Simon [barely able to focus on screen : liquid lunch++]
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung about at number 2 for yonks. Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens for the 1980s? Anyone remember what kept Sweet Dreams off number 1 in the States? Hint: trick question. Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Hmm. I seem to recall that Sweet Dreams got to number two while the Police (Every Breath You Take) was at the top, then another mega-hit (Beat It? C'mon Eileen?) came along as well. I obviouly blinked and missed the week at the top. Regards Kieran
Re: PIMB T-shirts
[snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion] Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I have requested that she do so if she speaks to him. dave, getting this settled. -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Perl can certainly be used as a first computer language, but it was really designed to be a *last* computer language. - Larry Wall
Re: PIMB T-shirts
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion] Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I have requested that she do so if she speaks to him. dave, getting this settled. ah the joy of 7 degrees of seperation -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Gareth Harper wrote: there are sites with all the no1's, but I don't know of any with all the top tens, theres probably one around, if not, start one ;) Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. I don't think RR would let you do it either. And with RR, you have to decide if you want CHR/pop or CHR/rythmic. And then you hit the problem that CHR used to be one category. Neither one of them has a searchable archive of charts on their websites. Bastards. 10 years ago today, Vanilla Ice had the no. 1 album in the US. MC Hammer was no. 2. -- Mike (html email is icky)
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. They can't easily sue. The information is factual. Factual information cannot be copyrighted. Only the arrangement of it. If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... (ObDisclaimer: IANAL, although I have taken legal advice on this matter...) Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk if more people were screaming then I could relax -
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:34:21PM +, Tony Bowden wrote: If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a differing viewpoint. Roger
Red Hat worm discovered
Just to reinforce the point that this OS is a steaming pile of crap, and that if you're in the unfortunate situation of actually running it, watch out (130,000 nodes scanned in 15mins): http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-202-4508359-0.html Internet worm squirms into Linux servers By Robert Lemos Special to CNET News.com January 17, 2001, 9:25 a.m. PT URL: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4508359-0.html An Internet worm cobbled together from generally available hacking tools has compromised hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Linux servers by using two well-known security flaws in applications set up during the default installation of Red Hat Linux software. Known as the Ramen worm, the self-spreading program appears to have been created by common Internet vandals--called script kiddies. As of Wednesday morning, the worm was continuing to spread. "This is not a very dangerous worm," said Lance Spitzner, coordinator for the Honeynet Project, a group of well-known security experts who study how hackers attack servers. "It has a very big signature; it is easy to find; and it doesn't really do anything destructive." The worm spreads by scanning the Internet for servers based on Red Hat 6.2 or 7.0 and then attempts to gain access using two common exploits. When it does gain access, it installs a so-called root kit, which patches the security holes and installs special programs that replace common system functions. Ramen also replaces the main page on Web servers with an HTML file claiming: "RameN Crew--Hackers love noodles." Finally, the new worm sends an e-mail message to two Web-based accounts, boots up and starts scanning the Internet again. Spitzner and other security experts on the Bugtraq mailing list detected the worm earlier this week when they noticed an increase in scans for the RPC.statd and wu-FTP vulnerabilities that plague the default installations of most Linux servers. The worm, however, limits its spread to servers based on Red Hat 6.2 and 7.0. RPC.statd is one of several services that a Linux server can run to offer remote access using a common suite of programs known as remote procedure calls. Washington University's version of the common file server, known as wu-FTP, has a flaw that also allows access. Patches for both flaws are readily available. Mihai Moldovanu, a Romanian programmer who reverse-engineered much of the worm on Tuesday, said that Ramen is spreading very rapidly. "Once the worm starts scanning, it will consume a large amount of your Internet bandwidth," Moldovanu said. "The scanning is very fast." According to Moldovanu, the worm scanned two B-class networks--about 130,000 Internet addresses--in less than 15 minutes. "The worm itself seems dangerous due to bandwidth consumption and due to the (unproven) possibility of remote-accessing the compromised box by the worm author," he added. Because of its ability to spread without any human intervention and because it targets servers based on Linux--a cousin of Unix--the Ramen worm resembles the Morris Worm that used a common e-mail service to spread through the Internet--then called the Arpanet--in early November 1988. The Morris worm, named after its creator, the Cornell University graduate student Robert Morris, overloaded the Internet with e-mail as it attempted to spread among Unix servers. The Computer Emergency Response Team at Carnegie-Mellon--created in the aftermath of the Morris Worm--is currently studying the Ramen worm, spokesman Bill Pollock said Wednesday. ___ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thus spake the Master Programmer: "Let the programmers be many and the managers few -- then all will be productive." (http://misspiggy.gsfc.nasa.gov/tao.html)
Re: Red Hat worm discovered
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:59:56PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: Just to reinforce the point that this OS is a steaming pile of crap Aww c'mon! RedHat was obviously targeted because it's the most widely used! None of the vulnerable software was written by RH (and all of it was also included in other distros). .robin.
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Tony Bowden wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. They can't easily sue. The information is factual. Factual information cannot be copyrighted. Only the arrangement of it. Nope. What is a chart? Billboard or RR or whoever's view of what the most popular songs in a given week were. They all use different methodologies, and are sort of an estimation as to what the popular songs are. There is no "fact" of a song being no. 1. It would be a stronger argument with ratings, but Arbitron owns all of the research the ratings are based on and are, if possible, more litigious than Billboard. On a note remotely related to computers, Napster nemesis Metallica's bass player quit. "Due to private and personal reasons, and the physical damage that I have done to myself over the years while playing the music that I love, I must step away from the band," Newsted said in a statement. -- mike
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, you wrote: Who's chart would you use? I.E., who do you want to be sued by? I don't know about the UK, but Billboard (THE chart in the US) is very picky about such things. jsut do them as they do to you ... (or indeed as some guy is doing to the football league right now) publish a set of web pages for next weeks charts that include all possible permutations of the current top 20 for NEXT WEEK .. explicitly state they are copyright and permission is required to reproduce this original work ... then when next weeks top 10 comes out and Billboard publish a top 10 that matches one of your pages sue them blind... remove the all but 1 selected page from the site .. alternatively publish it under a GNU licence and then from this day forward anyone who wants to publish a top 10 can publish a copy of of one of your pages which being published a week ahead were there first and id like to see Billboard say otherwise. a guy is doing this to the football league (who sue people who publish copies of the fixture lists without paying) .. hes published copies of every possible combination of fixtures in advance of the draw and thereby claims copyright on this original work. he then intends to promote a 'selected excerpt' from his original work after the draw, and sue the football league if they infringe his copyright by publishing an identical list. hes obviously mad, but hey .. he might even win :) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Robin Szemeti wrote: jsut do them as they do to you ... snip the arsenal fan story ... then when next weeks top 10 comes out and Billboard publish a top 10 that matches one of your pages sue them blind... remove the all but 1 selected page from the site .. The problem would be, you still couldn't post your top 10 as the Billboard top 10. And when Billboard published the results of their research, it wouldn't be infringing on your list, even if the songs were the same. There is absolutly nothing stopping you from publishing your own top 10 though. You could draw the names out of a hat and have as much claim to accuracy as anybody else. If week after week you came up with the same results as Billboard, you better have your methodolgy documented somewhere. -- mike
Re: Red Hat worm discovered
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: From: "Robin Houston" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aww c'mon! RedHat was obviously targeted because it's the most widely used! None of the vulnerable software was written by RH (and all of it was also included in other distros). That's true -- but how easy is RH to upgrade/patch? And why is RH7 shipping with all these services turned on? (NFS? rpc.*? Hello?) Perhaps *that's* why it's a steaming pile of crap getting hacked the whole time. umm just because the default configuration is not optimal does not IMHO make the whole thing a steaming pile of crap ... sure having rpc turned on is a bit dumb if you have no need of it and its as holey as my socks, but these things are easy to fix and anyone setting up a server should have enough clue to turn em off ... anyone running wu-ftpd on a permanently connected machine is asking for trouble. in the end you need a decent ipchains set up as well .. and dump ftp and telnet who needs em? .. firewall off everything apart from smtp,dns,https(s) and ssh and you're about there, establish a few routes to a few trusted hosts and that about does it. at least a quick tweak with a rpm or two can make it into a decent install, where as many other OS's are plain incurable. All seem to have a weakness from Solaris to Plan9 .. redhat just got rooted because it was popular .. as a matter of interest what is your fave Linux or *nix install then?? -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: There is absolutly nothing stopping you from publishing your own top 10 though. You could draw the names out of a hat and have as much claim to accuracy as anybody else. If week after week you came up with the same results as Billboard, you better have your methodolgy documented somewhere. and if I publish all the variants .. and each week Billboard 'copy' one of my 'works of art' can I sue them ? :) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Online Time
from this quarters BT bill I managed to accumulate 786 hours of internet time .. anyone top that? in my defence it would have been higher, but I was on holiday for 3 weeks at christmas best of all though was the price . i paid for Surfttime-anytime ... so hte ackchewerl calls came to = 0:00p -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
RE: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Robin Szemeti wrote: and if I publish all the variants .. and each week Billboard 'copy' one of my 'works of art' can I sue them ? :) Did you label the variants as Billboard charts? If not, they aren't publishing the same thing. A list of songs is not a chart. -- mike
