Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also many hackers have more business sense than their MDs - look at success of projects started by hackers or engineers versus that of those started by MBAs or middle managers.. business sense != project sucess why not? I would have thought similar skills were involved in both? i used to think so, but having seen business ``hackers'' at work i have seen the light. there is a breed of person who is so skilled at hacking the business system/structures especially inter-business arrangements that they have an entirely different skillset looking back at Aaron's post i agree with him on middle management but not wrt good MD's -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thats were a few people have gone wrong lately then ;-) yup -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: thoth
On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 01:35:32AM -0500, Mark Rogaski typed: That would be c.l.p.m ... unless of course you aren't referring to Tom. You weren't at the technical meeting last night, were you? This thoth is a network monitoring system. R
Re: OT : DVD
On 15/01/2001 at 21:12 +, mallum wrote: ^ Your clock's wrong... -- :: paul :: and if you refuse to believe :: you will be cast into the void
Re: Compiling mod_perl on Debian
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 07:51:30PM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote: apt-get install apache-perl will get you an apache with mod_perl linked into Apache. The trouble I find with precompiled mod_perl's is that they usually haven't beencompiled with EVERYTHING = 1, so they have to be compiled from scratch anyway when using AxKit. Yes, I want one with EVERYTHING=1... -- Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 618, further transmissions to you by the sender may be stopped at NO COST to you by forwarding this e-mail to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=remove
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables, vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas (San Antonio) not California though -- relatively earthquake/tornado/storm/etc-free! You're talking rackspace.com, I take it? ;-) Are they not in New York ? No. San Antonio if traceroutes are to be believed. Dellhost are in texas - which I destest due to its attitude to capital P. You not been following the Confederacy conspiracy? What like americans ? (present american company excluded) No, cable installation "engineers". All cable company phone support/accounts. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the UK doesn't have high water tables (in some places and not in others, just like anywhere else) or vicious weather (again, in some places not in others, just like anywhere else). But it strikes me as being absurd that I hear EVERY YEAR of the power going out for large areas of major cities in .us, something which just doesn't happen in Europe. It should be mandatory for all public servants to be adept at Sim City. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables, vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas (San Antonio) not California though -- relatively earthquake/tornado/storm/etc-free! You're talking rackspace.com, I take it? ;-) Are they not in New York ? No. San Antonio if traceroutes are to be believed. I'll shut up then ;-0 Dellhost are in texas - which I destest due to its attitude to capital P. You not been following the Confederacy conspiracy? No - just dont like the gun ho lets fry anyone on deathrow - and now a a great chestnut one of them got to be president ... What like americans ? (present american company excluded) No, cable installation "engineers". All cable company phone support/accounts. Luckily I've not suffered from those. Greg -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
What's a perl person then?
Got this through the email. Where do Perl people fit in? Unix person: So then he tried to su to chroot, but of course the crontab wasn't even mounted because there were four spaces instead of a tab in the getty sed awk ^] sh ksh zsh | and that's why we're getting another three E45000s to run it on. Other unix person: haw haw haw! Computing is truly an art. Windows Person: We spent 50 hours optimizing the drawing routine so as to produce proper antialiasing even on strange hardware, but in the end we couldn't roll it out because none of the sysadmins knows how to. Other windows person: oh well. Java person: We spent 3000 hours optimizing the drawing until finally it could run on a pentium II. Now we just have to make sure the users have I.E.4.8 with the JDK1.3.1 plugin, J3D 2.x, and at least DBTools 2.2 or above, and the correct classpath, and odbc settings, and one of the default fonts that actually works. If not, our six months of work will be completely wasted. Other java person: Failure is impossible. We will prevail. Setbacks are irrelevant. The fools just don't understand that this is JAVA. Jonathan PetersonIdeas Hub Ltd (t) +44 (0)20 7487 1310 www.ideashub.com
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it .. just charge em bigtime! nope this is where your pimp/MD should of tied up the contract watertight, so if they change their mind the deadline changes What do you do where this is not the case, other than think about finding a new job? Michael
Re: What's a perl person then?
Jonathan Peterson wrote: Got this through the email. Where do Perl people fit in? Unix person: So then he tried to su to chroot, but of course the crontab wasn't even mounted because there were four spaces instead of a tab in the getty sed awk ^] sh ksh zsh | and that's why we're getting another three E45000s to run it on. Other unix person: haw haw haw! Computing is truly an art. Windows Person: We spent 50 hours optimizing the drawing routine so as to produce proper antialiasing even on strange hardware, but in the end we couldn't roll it out because none of the sysadmins knows how to. Other windows person: oh well. Java person: We spent 3000 hours optimizing the drawing until finally it could run on a pentium II. Now we just have to make sure the users have I.E.4.8 with the JDK1.3.1 plugin, J3D 2.x, and at least DBTools 2.2 or above, and the correct classpath, and odbc settings, and one of the default fonts that actually works. If not, our six months of work will be completely wasted. Other java person: Failure is impossible. We will prevail. Setbacks are irrelevant. The fools just don't understand that this is JAVA. perl person: Hacked a drawing program in 2 hours. other person: That long, oh dear .. Greg Jonathan PetersonIdeas Hub Ltd (t) +44 (0)20 7487 1310 www.ideashub.com
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:42:55PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: People (no particular order): = Pimp = = Accountant = = BOFH = = Security Guru = = Perl Gurus' = = Perl Trainee Gurus = i'd add an MD/CEO who would initially do a lot of the pimping, the accountant could initially also be outsourced. the BOFH and Security Guru could be rolled into one. i'd also hire non-Perl programmers so that you didn't just have one leg to the stool Seems reasonable. Also think about Oracle and Sybase wizards (combined with the BOFH and/or $language Guru roles initially) and an NT person. Actually, *all* the tech people should be sufficiently multi-skilled to be able to do two things reasonably well - that way it's easier to pimp them, they can command more dosh, and they (and the company) are protected if one of their skills goes badly out of fashion. And one of the goals of gurus within the consultancy should be to help train up other folks who want to pick up that skill. Preferably in an environment where something real is being acheived. Money: Base salary and split proffit according to which category your in. founders split say 50% of the equity, 25% reserved for latecomers and 25% pencilled for VC types Just wait for the arguing about how that 50% gets split! That 50% gets split equally among the founding partners. Open source / clients: Create projects for open source community (sell to clients with support). When not assigned to a specific money making project or client create next project to OS and make money from. agreed! Yup. Plan to make money from support contracts on this open source stuff, and also from being a 'preferred implementor' using it. Indeed. Ooh, this sounds very tempting. -- Piers
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:51:18PM +, Greg Cope wrote: What about a bed / kip room and of course a play room - and I do not mean some 70's swingers thing - a P2, etc ... Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a bad idea as it encourages pulling all-nighters. You just don't write good code at 2 in the morning, and end up spending just as much time untangling it as you did writing it in the first place. And in any case, if you *need* to work all night, there's something wrong with the project management. Oh yeah, we'd need to have project management skillz in the group too. No need for a whole project mangler though to start with. As for toys - if they're not the *useful* sort of toy then they should be rewards*, as opposed to being there right from the start. That way they become a motivational tool. Although to be honest, I wouldn't be motivated by lots of the things numija companies think are motivating like PS2s. I'd be more for getting a bigger monitor on my workstation, or a punchbag for the office. Or some clean jerrycans :-) Big monitors on workstations are *not* rewards. They are essential tools for the job. Anything smaller than 19" is rapidly approaching too cramped for serious work. TFT monitors on workstations are rewards... * - eg, when the first big fat cheque arrives from a happy client, get a PS 2. When we hit milestones *on time* in the next project, get another game for it. Modulo the PS2 not necessarily being a motivator, that sounds like a plan. -- Piers
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMHO developers should be given the environment that is what makes them confotable, an IBM research center was on the telly the other day that had a big open plan style area, as well as individaul offices, as well as Lego. The environment was totally focused to nuturing developers so that they create (hopefully good, bug-free(TM) code). Sounds like extreme programming to me... I *so* want to try this. I'm getting fed up of being sole programmer on projects. -- Piers
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it .. just charge em bigtime! nope this is where your pimp/MD should of tied up the contract watertight, so if they change their mind the deadline changes What do you do where this is not the case, other than think about finding a new job? Although, thinking about it, I can also note that the "find a new job" approach seems to work... Michael
Re: What's a perl person then?
Greg Cope wrote: perl person: Hacked a drawing program in 2 hours. other person: That long, oh dear .. perl person: yeah but I was drunk at the time. Oh and it sends mail. And it's written in Latin. And none of the sub routines are actually called. It just sort of guesses which one you want. And it plays music to you depending on what you're drawing. other person: yeah, but two hours? for a one line program? perl person: I suppose so. Fancy a pint? other person: compare! swap! perl person: oh shut up. ;)
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat wormdiscovered
On 19 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the UK doesn't have high water tables (in some places and not in others, just like anywhere else) or vicious weather (again, in some places not in others, just like anywhere else). But it strikes me as being absurd that I hear EVERY YEAR of the power going out for large areas of major cities in .us, something which just doesn't happen in Europe. It should be mandatory for all public servants to be adept at Sim City. Thats where I went wrong when I was working in the public sector - I used to play Duke Nukem all the time :) /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it .. just charge em bigtime! nope this is where your pimp/MD should of tied up the contract watertight, so if they change their mind the deadline changes What do you do where this is not the case, other than think about finding a new job? Although, thinking about it, I can also note that the "find a new job" approach seems to work... write a suggestions document of where the project management and management functions are going wrong if they ignore it leave -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
From: Greg McCarroll [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] write a suggestions document of where the project management and management functions are going wrong if they ignore it leave Do you know anywhere this has happened Greg? ;-)
Hardware Upgrade Fund
A quick reminder of something I mentioned last night. The hardware spec for penderel (our server) is starting to show its age (I don't know exactly what the specs are, but the box is at least 18 months old). There are also a number of people who have expressed an interest in joining the exclusive club of people who have accounts on the server. The suggestion is, therefore, that we set up a hardware upgrade fund to buy new bits for the server. Contributions would be set at £50 and anyone contributing would gain the same rights on the box as the origianl contributors. I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The organiser would, of course, be given a free login on the server. Anyone fancy it? Dave...
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
Dave Cross wrote: I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The organiser would, of course, be given a free login on the server. Anyone fancy it? I'll give it a go.
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:12:58 +, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross wrote: I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The organiser would, of course, be given a free login on the server. Anyone fancy it? I'll give it a go. Simon, The advantage of having Alex doing it, is that with penderel sitting under his desk, hardware installation is much easier. I'm sure he'd be happy for help speccing the requirement tho'. Did you get your login account? You earned one for lugging the bloody thing halfway across london. Dave...
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:10:26 + (GMT), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Anyone fancy it? I forgot to mention, I offered to do this before, and that offer still stands. Alex, Thanks for the offer. I'm more that happy to take you up on it. How soon do you think you can have a list of the kinds of hardware that you want to buy? That would give us an estimate of how many new donors we're looking for. ISTR that I *was* originally signed up to pay for the server in the first place but for some reason failed to do so I would be quite happy to chip in the odd 50.00 this time. If anyone needs some help organizing as well let me know. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:12:58 +, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross wrote: I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The organiser would, of course, be given a free login on the server. What's the current specs of the machine? (Just out of interest) John -- :wq
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
A quick reminder of something I mentioned last night. The hardware spec for penderel (our server) is starting to show its age (I don't know exactly what the specs are, but the box is at least 18 months old). There are also a number of people who have expressed an interest in joining the exclusive club of people who have accounts on the server. The suggestion is, therefore, that we set up a hardware upgrade fund to buy new bits for the server. Contributions would be set at 50 and anyone contributing would gain the same rights on the box as the origianl contributors. I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The organiser would, of course, be given a free login on the server. Anyone fancy it? Dave... As a comparison, here's the spec of Ourshack.com (which houses Template Toolkit amongst other projects). I don't think anyone's complained about performance just yet. Pentium II 233MMX 320MB RAM (this we have upgraded) 14GB HD Box is running Apache, Roxen, MySQL and all the regular stuff (named, mail, mailman), never seems to be heavily loaded. So you might be quite surprised how little you need to add. The biggest expense may be some kind of backup device. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Thanks for the offer. I'm more that happy to take you up on it. no problems. How soon do you think you can have a list of the kinds of hardware that you want to buy? That would give us an estimate of how many new donors we're looking for. I'd prefer to do it the other way round if you don't mind, and say you have just one month to send a cheque for 50 pounds made out to C A McLean [1] to state51, 8 rhoda street, bethnal green, e2 7ef , or brought along to the next social or technical meeting. At the end of the month I'll let you all know what money we have and we can then decide what to do with it. Alex [1] My first name is actually Christopher, but handily my parents changed their minds after registering my birth and decided to call me by my middle name. PS The guy with the tennants extra broke in to another part of the building and caused some damage to a couple of studios :( it seems that he couldn't find anything to steal, but still, not nice. -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Advice
Dean S Wilson wrote: What kind of low level stuff are you interested in? kernel/device drivers kind of thing or something else entirely? I've been working on compilers, WAP browsers and crypto since I got here. I'd love to have a go working on kernel stuff or device drivers. What I'd really like to do is work on my Flash stuff but nothing's really been forthcoming on that front. Robert Shiels wrote: If possible, move to a good job, not away from a bad one. I think that's some of the best advice anybody's ever given me. Games would be good. But the pay is low (20K pa) - over a grand a month gross less for me which is a change in lifestyle (although it's only recently I wasn't surviving as a student on 10). The games industry is very volatile at the moment - so many different platforms (10 at least) and so many people producing games for them. You work for 2 years on a game by which time the console you're devloping for may not have survived (e.g N64) or the game may do inexplicably badly. On the other hand games give me a hard on so /me sighs
Re: Advice
Redvers Davies wrote: Is that a change in conditions such that you have to give 3 months notice or that you don't have a termination clause such that you sign up on a rolling 3 month contract. I'm coming to the end of my 3 month probabtion period. AFter that, becuase I work for the RnD part of the company I have to give 3 month's notice. Everyone in my department has this and I think it's a fairly standard thing for all RnD (although I may be wrong) and also for Academia (my company was set up by 2 of my ex-lecturers)
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever known this. I'm hoping that someone woh a) bought it or b) is sitting next to it will be able to leap in with this information. [alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 5 model : 8 model name : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor stepping: 12 cpu MHz : 350.803 cache size : 64 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no sep_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mmx 3dnow bogomips: 699.60 [alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 130895872 126423040 4472832 53395456 62877696 15953920 Swap: 271392768 6909952 264482816 MemTotal:127828 kB MemFree: 4368 kB MemShared:52144 kB Buffers: 61404 kB Cached: 15580 kB BigTotal: 0 kB BigFree: 0 kB SwapTotal: 265032 kB SwapFree:258284 kB [alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 Vendor: IBM Model: DDRS-34560 Rev: S97B Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 [alex@penderel alex]$ df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 4119172899532 3010396 24% / /dev/sda1 7746 2951 4395 41% /boot I can open up the box on any requested fact-finding missions. :) alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok i was a bit late ;) -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: [gem@penderel gem]$ cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 130895872 125063168 5832704 46772224 63795200 15314944 Swap: 271392768 6909952 264482816 MemTotal:127828 kB if its of any intereset I was offered 133mhz DIMMS of the 256Mb flavour for ~65 + vat the other day .. memory has plummetted now is a very good time to buy. -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:34:11 +, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [upgrading penderel] What's the current specs of the machine? (Just out of interest) I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever known this. I'm hoping that someone woh a) bought it or b) is sitting next to it will be able to leap in with this information. [gem@penderel gem]$ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 3.9G 879M 2.8G 24% / /dev/sda1 7.6M 2.9M 4.2M 41% /boot OK that'll be another disk or two then - if there are going to be a number of accounts on the machine then I would suggest /home should be a separate disk. I would vote for separate /usr /usr/local and /var partitions too. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:41:57PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: [gem@penderel gem]$ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 3.9G 879M 2.8G 24% / /dev/sda1 7.6M 2.9M 4.2M 41% /boot OK that'll be another disk or two then - if there are going to be a number of accounts on the machine then I would suggest /home should be a separate disk. I would vote for separate /usr /usr/local and /var partitions too. insert holy war here
RE: Hardware Upgrade Fund
Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there. I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself.
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there. I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself. That could be good, too... We definately need one of the two. (IMHO) Michael Well a tape drive would be easier and (for the most part) cheaper to install. For mirroring you're either going to need a raid controller or use software raid... how good is that under linux? Seeing as access to the box is not currently an issue, tape changing can be done . Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
- Original Message - From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2001 14:41 Subject: Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there. I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself. That could be good, too... We definately need one of the two. (IMHO) ghh definitely /ghh that's better :-) I think the backup system should be individual users writing cron jobs to tar/gzip/ftp their stuff to other machines, or emailing it to their hotmail accounts if they don't have other machines! Who is planning to store data on penderel that they won't have somewhere else anyway. I don't think we should ever rely on our data being there. I have a local copy of everything that I have on other servers. Perhaps I'm missing the point here... /Robert
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hatworm discovered
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Big monitors on workstations are *not* rewards. They are essential tools for the job. Anything smaller than 19" is rapidly approaching too cramped for serious work. TFT monitors on workstations are rewards... 19" on the first port of the G400, a TFT on the second? Mmmm... so, when are we going to have a meeting about all this? Well seeing as I will be amongst the great unwashed from next week, anytime soon would be good. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
RE: Hardware Upgrade Fund
Who is planning to store data on penderel that they won't have somewhere else anyway. I don't think we should ever rely on our data being there. I have a local copy of everything that I have on other servers. What about applications running on penderel that generate data? Even if what they generate is small, it's a royal PITA to be emailing it around the net in the name of backup. If you go for something like an 8 day retention period with weekly full and daily differential backup, your backup data set would at most be double your working data set (unless anyone has really funky plans for applications). So, we need only buy two more of whatever size disk we want in there, and backup to disk is a world more fun than backup to tape (unless we feel like spashing out for a tape jukebox). Or, just get the extra storage space and give everyone an allocation on it that's double their allocation on the primary storage, and let them write their own backup scripts. But unless we've already got quota's running (have we?) that's not so practical maybe. Jon 'yay! sysadmin!' Peterson
Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:52:54 -, "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could we create domains for every user and then put the zone files in each person's home dir, with a SUID script to kick named? Then I could have *.jon.penderel.state51.co.uk and be able to quickly create names and mx records for things when I need to, which is surprisingly often. Everyone would get $USERNAME.penderel.state51.co.uk Sounds like a fun idea to me, but then IANABOFH, so what do I know :) I'm happy to set this up if anyone is interested (although, frankly, you'd be mad to let me anywhere near a root password and a copy of bind) Yep. Bind scares me too. You can do Really Bad Things with it. Speaking of DNS, did we ever hear anything from the pm.org DNS people? Dave...
Penderel query
Hi all, I've been lurking on the list for a while and am hoping to make the meeting on the 1st. Please excuse my ignorance with this question, but could someone outline what services penderel provides to account holders ? I've got 50 I'd be happy to contribute but I'd like to know what it gets me (other than a sense of satisfaction from furthering the perl cause :-) Simon. __ This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, our company disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited.
Re: Penderel query
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether: I've got 50 I'd be happy to contribute but I'd like to know what it gets me (other than a sense of satisfaction from furthering the perl cause :-) Well, I'd suggest a donation to YAS (yetanother.org) would be better if you really wished to further the Perl Cause[1]. That way they'll have some more conferences and pay for Damian to fly all over the world parsing stuff in crazy ways. Leon [1] Insert "I didn't know Perl" verb "The Coors" joke here -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!
Re: Penderel query
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:15:29 -0500 (EST), I wrote: Basically, you get an account on a server which is permanently connected to the web. Net! I meant net, goddamit. I'm very tired and have been absorbing too much media that doesn't know the difference. I'm sorry. I'll go and have a lie down. Dave...
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
Who is planning to store data on penderel that they won't have somewhere else anyway. I don't think we should ever rely on our data being there. I have a local copy of everything that I have on other servers. So, we need only buy two more of whatever size disk we want in there, and backup to disk is a world more fun than backup to tape (unless we feel like spashing out for a tape jukebox). I like the idea of a backup disk and a procedure that automatically backs up to it; I guess what I'm unhappy about is giving someone else the responsibility for all our data and the job of managing tapes, that doesn't seem fair. From a security point of view (are we worried about hiding our data from each other), the backup disk should only be readable by root. Yes? Or should all the files retain the owners permissions so that we can restore our data anytime we fancy without needing the sysadmin to do it. I like this plan. /Robert
Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:52:54 -, "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could we create domains for every user and then put the zone files in each person's home dir, with a SUID script to kick named? Then I could have *.jon.penderel.state51.co.uk and be able to quickly create names and mx records for things when I need to, which is surprisingly often. Everyone would get $USERNAME.penderel.state51.co.uk Sounds like a fun idea to me, but then IANABOFH, so what do I know :) I'm happy to set this up if anyone is interested (although, frankly, you'd be mad to let me anywhere near a root password and a copy of bind) Yep. Bind scares me too. You can do Really Bad Things with it. Speaking of DNS, did we ever hear anything from the pm.org DNS people? Not from my initial e-mail - I have fired off another today and hope that we might get some action. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Compiling mod_perl on Debian
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 01:28:21PM +, Robin Houston wrote: Hope you enjoyed it... Yes, I did. Heres the URL to the IP location project I mentioned yesterday, by the way: http://www.networldmap.com/ -- Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 618, further transmissions to you by the sender may be stopped at NO COST to you by forwarding this e-mail to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=remove
RE: Hardware Upgrade Fund
Title: RE: Hardware Upgrade Fund I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy to provide some money, but I'd much prefer to do a direct bank cash transfer (through online banking) I don't know if you'd want to publicise your bank acvcount details on the list, but if this is all going ahead and you don't mind transfers then can you send me your bank details and I'll set up the transfer. if anyone else is interested in that then I'd suggest to keep the traffic off the list then email alex in person. -Original Message- From: alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 January 2001 12:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Thanks for the offer. I'm more that happy to take you up on it. no problems. How soon do you think you can have a list of the kinds of hardware that you want to buy? That would give us an estimate of how many new donors we're looking for. I'd prefer to do it the other way round if you don't mind, and say you have just one month to send a cheque for 50 pounds made out to C A McLean [1] to state51, 8 rhoda street, bethnal green, e2 7ef , or brought along to the next social or technical meeting. At the end of the month I'll let you all know what money we have and we can then decide what to do with it. Alex [1] My first name is actually Christopher, but handily my parents changed their minds after registering my birth and decided to call me by my middle name. PS The guy with the tennants extra broke in to another part of the building and caused some damage to a couple of studios :( it seems that he couldn't find anything to steal, but still, not nice. -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime... OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely interested in a Perl Consultancy of some sort is invited. People with business sense needed too, though: offices, computers and bandwidth don't come cheap. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:42:19PM +, Neil Ford wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there. I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself. That could be good, too... We definately need one of the two. (IMHO) Michael Well a tape drive would be easier and (for the most part) cheaper to install. For mirroring you're either going to need a raid controller or use software raid... how good is that under linux? It's very usable. At Oven, we used it for the main mail-and-stuff server, managing something like a hundred gig of disk in RAID-5 loveliness. Personally, I don't like tapes. They go wrong easily and someone has to remember to swap the media. I favour doing backups to another machine with rsync. This has the advantage that you can do far more frequent backups. Perhaps that's what we should spend the upgrade money on - a cheap-ass machine with a bg cheap IDE disk to handle backups *only*. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: Holy War
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:33:57 +, Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:29:18AM -0500, Dave Cross typed: So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use. What are you planning to do on the box? It'll be purely for home use, so: * Hacking perl * Prototyping web sites * Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot * Write * Surf the web * Read mail * Play the occasional game * Listen to MPs * Burn CDs Sort of stuff we all do. Dave...
Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:52:54PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I'm happy to set this up if anyone is interested (although, frankly, you'd be mad to let me anywhere near a root password and a copy of bind) Heh. djbdns is, despite being a bernsteinism, very good. For values of 'very good' which are equivalent to 'not bind'. It's smaller, easier to configure, and more secure. All in all, it's a Jolly Good Thing. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: Holy War
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go for it. Give it your best shot. Mandrake 7.2. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:31:00PM +, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:52:54PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I'm happy to set this up if anyone is interested (although, frankly, you'd be mad to let me anywhere near a root password and a copy of bind) Heh. djbdns is, despite being a bernsteinism, very good. For values of 'very good' which are equivalent to 'not bind'. It's smaller, easier to configure, and more secure. All in all, it's a Jolly Good Thing. aol
Re: Holy War
On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:39:47AM -0500, Dave Cross typed: It'll be purely for home use, so: I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff aren't usually available as packages. Upside: doesn't mess you about the way the Windowsy distributions (RH, SuSE) do. R
Re: Holy War
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:29:18AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use. Bear in mind that the existing box will currently become a firewall/proxy box so I'll do all the paranoid security stuff on there. Go for it. Give it your best shot. Let battle commence. Debian. Or, if you want uber-paranoia, OpenBSD. Michael
Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:48:03PM +, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:43:28PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:31:00PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Heh. djbdns is, despite being a bernsteinism, very good. For values of 'very good' which are equivalent to 'not bind'. It's smaller, easier to configure, and more secure. All in all, it's a Jolly Good Thing. aol However, I don't believe it supports some of the more weird DNS entries you can have like HINFO and LOC records. [dcantrel@tim-the-enchanter dcantrel]$ nslookup set type=HINFO ariadne.barnyard.co.uk ariadne.barnyard.co.ukCPU = Amstrad CPC OS = Amsdos / CPCIP Yay! Not supporting such silliness may be considered a Bad Thing by some people. I'm fairly sure it is supported, through an escape that allows you to return any record type. --cut-- :fqdn:n:rdata:ttl:timestamp:lo Generic record for fqdn. tinydns-data creates a record of type n for fqdn showing rdata. n must be an integer between 1 and 65535. The proper format of rdata depends on n. You may use octal \nnn codes to include arbitrary bytes inside rdata. --cut-- (from http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/tinydns-data.html) Michael
Re: Holy War
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:02:01PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:58:41PM +, Richard Clamp typed: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:44:42PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff aren't usually available as packages. Untrue, if you're following the testing/unstable branch and have sufficient bandwidth that is. Depends on what you mean by "latest". Give it a week or two to get into unstable, a few more to get into testing - fair enough? Not what I'd use for CPAN modules, for example. And, of course, there's the obvious downside of following the unstable branch of anything... Michael
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether: I'd love to come along, but probably wouldn't have time to get there and back during lunch. Can we do it one evening? OK, Penderel's Oak 6.30pm for those who can't make it to lunch. I'll go to both and take notes. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!
Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!
David Cantrell wrote: However, I don't believe it supports some of the more weird DNS entries you can have like HINFO and LOC records. You learn fast young Grasshopper. Oh, wait. You weren't there last night. http://www.2shortplanks.com/simon/ip2ll/2.html
Re: AUTOLOAD speed
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: And thought ... would it be big performance hit if I did this through AUTOLOAD. Right, that does it. The next two talks I'm gonna do will be "Introduction to Benchmarking with Perl and the Bechmark module" and "Introduction to Testing with Perl and the Test module". Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved Brocard, now with Template Toolkit!
Re: Holy War
What I do: For a workstation, Mandrake. For a server, Slackware. Once you've done the install forget that rpm existed and do everything from source. Red
RE:Consultancy company
On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote: Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one. It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as writing a (fledgling) business plan for such a venture based around Template Toolkit-ish web development, support and consultancy. It's something that Simon Matthews and I have been talking about for a couple of years, but never really quite got around to taking the plunge. I was about to jump but work related improvments of the last few weeks have pushed it back onto the back burner. Now, what would it take to convince you that there are nicer places to work than central London? Guildford, for example, is quite wonderful and only a train ride away from the smoke... :-)= On the matter of funding, I have a friend who works for Goldman Sachs who offered to put me in touch with VC somewhere in the range of 2 - 10m. No favours, no guarantees, but at least a foot in the door and the offer of waving a business plan under the noses of the right kind of people. Of course, you might argue that GS != Right Kind of People :-) But like others, I'm not convinced that VC is the way to go unless you really have to. Having said that, if you want to start big and grow big quickly, I can't see a way to do that without significant moolah up front. Maybe that means "really have to"? One consideration worth playing on is that good Perl people are hard to come by. As a scarce resource, we might be able to convince backers that a solid collection of guru and demi-guru level Perl people represents a mighty design/development/consultancy force which could quickly corner a large chunk of the market. I'd love to come to the meeting and hear the ideas, but I've done my trip to London for this month :-) A Pipe dreamer. -- Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signature regenerating. Please remain seated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a good time: http://www.kfs.org/~abw/
Re: Holy War
All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and when you run printtool the cdrom ejects. You couldn't do an strace on that so we see what causes that could you? I would have thought a hardware conflict would be the most likely cause there... Red
Re: AUTOLOAD speed
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:02:23 +, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was just typing this ...
# Unsigned int 8bit
sub ui8() { my $self; = shift; $self-UI8()}
# Unsigned int 16bit
sub ui16() { my $self; = shift; $self-UI16() }
sub Word() { my $self; = shift; $self-UI16() }
sub word() { my $self; = shift; $self-UI16() }
...
And thought ... would it be big performance hit if I did this through
AUTOLOAD.
How about something like this (at the file level of your package):
*ui8 = \U18;
*ui16 = \UI16;
*Word = \UI16;
*word = \UI16;
Typeglobs are your friend.
Dave...
[who doesn't like to encourage people to use AUTOLOAD as it has
potential to break Symbol::Approx::Sub]
Re: Holy War
* at 19/01 16:12 + Redvers Davies said: All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and when you run printtool the cdrom ejects. You couldn't do an strace on that so we see what causes that could you? I would have thought a hardware conflict would be the most likely cause there... i'm not if the box still exists. i could have a look and see though... struan
Re: AUTOLOAD speed
Dave Cross wrote: *ui8 = \U18; *ui16 = \UI16; *Word = \UI16; *word = \UI16; That's the ticket. Brain still fried today.
Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!
Jonathan Stowe [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * * Speaking of DNS, did we ever hear anything from the pm.org DNS people? * * *Not from my initial e-mail - I have fired off another today and hope that *we might get some action. As far as I know, Ben Hockenhull is still doing DNS for the PM box though it may take some time as things are in trasition from one place to another and DNS changes probably aren't high in the queue. e.
Re: Holy War
Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * at 19/01 14:44 + Dave Hodgkinson said: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go for it. Give it your best shot. Mandrake 7.2. All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and when you run printtool the cdrom ejects. Nothing wrong with committing random acts of weirdness -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: PIMB THC-shirts
On Jan 19, 9:39am, Steve Mynott wrote: THC isn't water soluble at all which is why you have to dissolve the stuff in hot fat before cooking it. I belive that's true, but according to the paper I just found, presumably the one Paul was referring to, the paper suggests that some THC *is* lost when using a bong. http://www.ukcia.org/lib/pipes.htm But note that the paper doesn't offer or claim any scientific evidence to back this up, merely notes that "This suggests...". I suspect the goodies are getting stuck to the bowl, pipe, dirt and tar particles in the water, but not actually dissolving the water as such. If I were the kind of person to partake in such affairs, I'd suggest that some objective testing is required. But of course, I wouldn't want to indulge in any activity which our wise and esteemed goverments have decided is dangerous, immoral and quite sensibly illegal. Nor would I want to encourage anyone else to break the law. Note that I also refrain from drinking tea as it's known to be a gateway drug, according to the clear evidence that 97.2% of all heroin addicts drank tea before progressing onto harder substance abuse. Be warned people! Stick with tobacco, alcohol and the other drugs which have been deemed safe enough for us to be trusted with. A -- Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signature regenerating. Please remain seated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a good time: http://www.kfs.org/~abw/
Re: Holy War
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz will do that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification for getting such a monster machine Dave? Some people buy Ferraris. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Consultancy company
Andy Wardley wrote: On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote: Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one. It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as writing a (fledgling) business plan for such a venture based around Template Toolkit-ish web development, support and consultancy. It's something that Simon Matthews and I have been talking about for a couple of years, but never really quite got around to taking the plunge. I was about to jump but work related improvments of the last few weeks have pushed it back onto the back burner. Now, what would it take to convince you that there are nicer places to work than central London? Guildford, for example, is quite wonderful and only a train ride away from the smoke... :-)= Agreed - why work in London - what about telecommuters ? i.e I want to stay communtin to my desk - all 3 meters of it (the commute - I live in a small flat) On the matter of funding, I have a friend who works for Goldman Sachs who offered to put me in touch with VC somewhere in the range of 2 - 10m. No favours, no guarantees, but at least a foot in the door and the offer of waving a business plan under the noses of the right kind of people. Of course, you might argue that GS != Right Kind of People :-) But like others, I'm not convinced that VC is the way to go unless you really have to. Having said that, if you want to start big and grow big quickly, I can't see a way to do that without significant moolah up front. Maybe that means "really have to"? Why need a VC's money for a consultancy - shurely most people involved will have all the required kit (PC's / laptops) and all that may be required is a small office. A Consultantcy can raise cash quick via charging monthly like anyone else - ok not everyone pays on time, but if a few do then thats cash in the bank (especially as you pay everyone else at the end of the month.) One consideration worth playing on is that good Perl people are hard to come by. As a scarce resource, we might be able to convince backers that a solid collection of guru and demi-guru level Perl people represents a mighty design/development/consultancy force which could quickly corner a large chunk of the market. I'd love to come to the meeting and hear the ideas, but I've done my trip to London for this month :-) I've been 5 times this week - that's nearly my years quota ! Greg A Pipe dreamer. -- Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signature regenerating. Please remain seated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a good time: http://www.kfs.org/~abw/
Re: AUTOLOAD speed
Robin Houston wrote:
Although the best solution would (obviously) be to
use Symbol::Approx::Sub with an appropriate matcher :-)
[simon@ns0 simon]$ cat globtest
#!/usr/bin/perl
*foo = \UI;
UI16();
UI32();
SI402();
foo12();
sub UI () {
print $_[0],"\n";
}
sub SI() {
print $_[0],"\n";
}
sub AUTOLOAD
{
my ($name) = $AUTOLOAD;
$name =~ /^[^:]+::([^\d]+)(\d+)/ $1($2);
}
[simon@ns0 simon]$ perl globtest
16
32
402
12
[simon@ns0 simon]$
Re: Holy War
* at 19/01 16:33 - Robert Shiels said: What are you planning to do on the box? It'll be purely for home use, so: * Hacking perl * Prototyping web sites * Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot * Write * Surf the web * Read mail * Play the occasional game * Listen to MPs * Burn CDs Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz will do that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification for getting such a monster machine Dave? that geek tendancy to get a farcially over powered machine 'cause they can? struan
Re: Holy War
At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:33:40 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you planning to do on the box? It'll be purely for home use, so: * Hacking perl * Prototyping web sites * Playing with new toys like AxKit and Camelot * Write * Surf the web * Read mail * Play the occasional game * Listen to MPs * Burn CDs Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz will do that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification for getting such a monster machine Dave? Seriously, my current machine is a PentiumPro 200 Mhz and that's getting so frustrating that I knew I needed a new machine and I always buy the fastest I can so it will last as long as possible. I'm just annoyed in that I quite recently bought a PIII866 with 256MbRAM [1], and I'm way behind in the game already g /Robert [1]upgraded my P166MMX 64MB RAM
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
At 14:55 19/01/01, Neil Ford wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mmmm... so, when are we going to have a meeting about all this? Well seeing as I will be amongst the great unwashed from next week, anytime soon would be good. AOLMe too!/AOL
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
At 15:49 19/01/01, Dave Cross wrote: I'd love to come along, but probably wouldn't have time to get there and back during lunch. Can we do it one evening? An evening would be better for me, too... Natalie
Re: Holy War
Seriously, my current machine is a PentiumPro 200 Mhz and that's getting so frustrating that I knew I needed a new machine and I always buy the fastest I can so it will last as long as possible. Was it a self-congratulations pressie for the publication of your book.
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime... OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely interested in a Perl Consultancy of some sort is invited. People with business sense needed too, though: offices, computers and bandwidth don't come cheap. Put me down for that. Might bring Gill as well. -- Piers
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat wormdiscovered
On 19 Jan 2001, Piers Cawley wrote: Put me down for that. Might bring Gill as well. It seems like every tom dick and harry's other half is called Gill around here :) /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Consultancy company
Piers Cawley wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andy Wardley wrote: On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote: Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one. It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as writing a (fledgling) business plan for such a venture based around Template Toolkit-ish web development, support and consultancy. It's something that Simon Matthews and I have been talking about for a couple of years, but never really quite got around to taking the plunge. I was about to jump but work related improvments of the last few weeks have pushed it back onto the back burner. Now, what would it take to convince you that there are nicer places to work than central London? Guildford, for example, is quite wonderful and only a train ride away from the smoke... :-)= Agreed - why work in London - what about telecommuters ? i.e I want to stay communtin to my desk - all 3 meters of it (the commute - I live in a small flat) I'm *really* unsure about telecommuting. Seems to me that the way to really build a team (especially when doing serious development) is to have people in the same room; that way you get people who know the answers immediately on tap and able to overhear other discussions and contribute as appropriate. Whilst I love the journey to work in the home office I don't like the rest of the office conditions. Having people there is important. I can understand the idea of building a team, but I think I am more productive here, than in an office where I am nearly constantly interupted. Also not being able to ask a question of the person next door, means I go look for the answer - and the person next door can get on with it. MySQL AB is a example of a company that is developeing a "product" in a virtual sense - why not try and develope a virtual company ? And I like central London because (whatever else is wrong with it) it's relatively easy for everyone to get to by train no matter where they live. Trekking out to (for example) Guildford wouldn't be good for me. But is treking into insert that good to working from home ? ADSL is cheap and working from home can be supprisingly productive. Greg who has so little work may have to commute to London every day ;-( -- Piers
Re: OT : DVD
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 03:32:53PM +, Paul Mison wrote: On 15/01/2001 at 21:12 +, mallum wrote: ^ Your clock's wrong... Maybe he's just really obsessed with Rush... dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Re: Consultancy company
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: I can do 200% as much work at home because I can work when and as I feel able to and so work when I am my most productive. well having spent the last year telecommuting I can affirm that it does let you sometimes work at phenomeonal rates But I also can see the other side .. contact and 'just being able to ask' is important too .. the telephone still works, and when I worked in a building full of people I;d just as lilely phone em up or email em as walk round to their office to see them. I'd say on balance that both have merit. at white heat development pace its better to be all in one room .. when its thrashed out and just needs plain doing, then wandering off home and doing it when it feels best is just as powerful. I'd see an ideal solution as being flexible and not pre constraining yourselves to a fixed pattern. If you prefer one type of working much over another then do it that way .. both have merit. and I'm still dead keen to be involved in an XP project :)) whatever .. if you lot are going to be in Chinatown on Monday thats as good a reason as any I can see for making a trip to the smoke ... see ya there. -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: Consultancy company
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 05:04:54PM +, Piers Cawley wrote: I'm *really* unsure about telecommuting. Seems to me that the way to really build a team (especially when doing serious development) is to have people in the same room; Plus there's too many distractions at home. Even if you live on your own. It's great to have the capability - for those evening brainwaves, or if you're ill - but doing it every day just doesn't work, at least for me. And I like central London because (whatever else is wrong with it) it's relatively easy for everyone to get to by train no matter where they live. Trekking out to (for example) Guildford wouldn't be good for me. Yeah. What he said. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: Consultancy company
Piers Cawley wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andy Wardley wrote: On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote: Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one. It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as writing a (fledgling) business plan for such a venture based around Template Toolkit-ish web development, support and consultancy. It's something that Simon Matthews and I have been talking about for a couple of years, but never really quite got around to taking the plunge. I was about to jump but work related improvments of the last few weeks have pushed it back onto the back burner. Now, what would it take to convince you that there are nicer places to work than central London? Guildford, for example, is quite wonderful and only a train ride away from the smoke... :-)= Agreed - why work in London - what about telecommuters ? i.e I want to stay communtin to my desk - all 3 meters of it (the commute - I live in a small flat) I'm *really* unsure about telecommuting. Seems to me that the way to really build a team (especially when doing serious development) is to have people in the same room; that way you get people who know the answers immediately on tap and able to overhear other discussions and contribute as appropriate. Whilst I love the journey to work in the home office I don't like the rest of the office conditions. Having people there is important. I can understand the idea of building a team, but I think I am more productive here, than in an office where I am nearly constantly interupted. Also not being able to ask a question of the person next door, means I go look for the answer - and the person next door can get on with it. Hmm... Have you looked at the XP books? XP ? MySQL AB is a example of a company that is developeing a "product" in a virtual sense - why not try and develope a virtual company ? Well, clients probably like offices. Admittedly not necessarily a *good* argument. Ah well there I agree - a posh office creates an impression that alot of big clients (read high revenue clients), find appealing. I've not argued against an office - just the idea that everyone has to be in it all the time ! And I like central London because (whatever else is wrong with it) it's relatively easy for everyone to get to by train no matter where they live. Trekking out to (for example) Guildford wouldn't be good for me. But is treking into insert that good to working from home ? ADSL is cheap and working from home can be supprisingly productive. Where it's available. That would be 'not from my exchange in the forseeable future...' Ah well, I want to move to Cornwall which will not get adsl for another few years ;-( Greg
Re: Consultancy company
David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 05:04:54PM +, Piers Cawley wrote: I'm *really* unsure about telecommuting. Seems to me that the way to really build a team (especially when doing serious development) is to have people in the same room; Plus there's too many distractions at home. Even if you live on your own. It's great to have the capability - for those evening brainwaves, or if you're ill - but doing it every day just doesn't work, at least for me. That should read there's too many distractions at home for me (or you as the case may be). I am about 150% more productive at home - 25 % because I save the journey, and the other 25% due to not having to go to meetings / going for long lunches / the chat that turns into a tangenical discussion on XZY / some Luser or PBH asking a stupid question that they could have worked out themselves if I was not there / insert any other activity that takes me away from the task in hand. Sorry the above turned into a rant, I just get a bit pissed off with closed minds that assume that having people in an office = productivity. Yes there are advantages to working in an office - i.e the team can be greater than the sum of its parts. But working from elsewhere also allows idividuals to be productive - often alot more. Why not combine the two - i.e have a day a week where everyone meets to brainstorm / ask questions / do what needs to be done to take advantage of a group. Rant over. Greg And I like central London because (whatever else is wrong with it) it's relatively easy for everyone to get to by train no matter where they live. Trekking out to (for example) Guildford wouldn't be good for me. Yeah. What he said. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
RE: RE:Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
From: Paul Makepeace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is a million considered a lot in the UK still? Not by people who can add up. OK, same here then. Having said that, it's amazing how much people can stretch a few $currency_unit if they *don't* have investment :-) But then so's a 24hr stretch of uninterrupted electricity Yeah, it's always amazed me just how crap the north American power system seems to be. Even in cities. This is a different issue, http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/power.crisis/ The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables, vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas (San Antonio) not California though -- relatively earthquake/tornado/storm/etc-free! On the upside, the US doesn't have BT "engineers" to deal with... No, the US has PacBell engineers and countless tin-pot, unregulated ISPs who offer you DSL service, take your deposit money and then promptly go bust FSCKRS Oh, and none of these people ever talk to each other. mail to DSL provider: Where's my DSL? Reply: problems with PacBell. We'll get back to you 2 weeks later: mail to DSL provider (COVAD): Where's my DSL? Reply: Please contact your ISP. mail to ISP:Where's my DSL eh? It's been four weeks since you mailed me to expect a visit from PacBell 'within the next few days'. Reply: SILENCE Call ISP to shout at automated call-handler: WHERE's MY DSL!! Reply: Sorry, due to the number of enquiries, we're unable to take your call at present. please call back. mail to DSL provider: I can't get through to my ISP, either by phone or email, will you please cancel the order Reply: Please contact your ISP. Oh, well, that's a $50 deposit blown away. rant over...idleness resumed. andy
Re: Consultancy company
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: That should read there's too many distractions at home for me (or you as the case may be). im with greg on this one :) although I can see that some project would need 5 day a week attendance at some stages I am not convinced that that is the only way to do it all the time. The probelm I have at home is NOT being averly dostracted, but getting carried away and forgetting to eat for too many hours :) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: PIMB THC-shirts
From: "Steve Mynott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] THC isn't water soluble at all which is why you have to dissolve the stuff in hot fat before cooking it. It is soluble, especially in smoke form. Perhaps not *miscible* but certainly it'll end up in suspension. Not much admittedly, but it is and crucially from a health angle, more so than tar. If you don't think so, try drinking some bong water :-) Paul
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2001, I wrote: arse ... // ok .. so ive been sending mail dated for a different week .slap I hate it when it does that. moral of the story is don;t turn your machine off when you go on holiday for a month and leave it in freezing temperature as it will get amnesia .. and remeber to add ntpdate to your root crontab someday too .. :) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
From: "alex" [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] My first name is actually Christopher, but handily my parents changed their minds after registering my birth and decided to call me by my middle name. [Oddly enough, same here. I'm Chris Paul ... It's an absolute pain in the arse. Note to parents: don't do this.] Without wanting to sound too real-world and pragmatic, why not upgrade the server when you actually *need* to, i.e. learn how to monitor performance and when it starts to suck, *then* buy new stuff. Otherwise you'll end up in the situation it is now: a load of kit that's not being used is depreciating rapidly. 128MB RAM and a K6 is quite enough to run a decently hammered mod_perl site. You only need more memory if you end up using a large database or doing something rash like install Oracle. Assuming you're not on an OC-12 backbone and you're not doing finite element analysis of an F15 jet per form submission, your IO bottleneck will be the net. Building reliability is probably your best aim: does it have a UPS? does it have a RAID 1/0 config? Dual PSUs? Tape drive backup policy? Those things are way more important than a faster chip or RAM. Paul
Re: Holy War
From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] And, of course, there's the obvious downside of following the unstable branch of anything... Except with Debian in my four years of using unstable I haven't had a single (serious) problem. The times when they've occasionally messed up dependencies I've simply left it 24hrs and tried again and someone's fixed it. Many, many eyeballs :-) I would, and do, use unstable for production boxes, although I also have a non-production box I run update/dist-upgrade first on. Paul
