Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. Really? Why does this not surprise about

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Redvers Davies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London. One of the hotels in London I have had

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Andrew Bowman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where you'll be consulting for a munitions firm? :-) Nah, I don't know enough about encryption ;-) But then again, ignorance doesn't seem to be an obstacle to most lobbyists or salesmen! Reminds me of ye

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: (update on the OScon in Europe thing--London in August seems to be a bad idea, so we're looking elsewhere and elsewhen ...) In case anybody is interested the Devon Cornwall LUG will be helping organise a S/West UK OSS Conference for local

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread David Cantrell
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:22:07PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at. Good point. Sometimes it's hard to remember

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Andrew Bowman wrote: From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in fact, how difficult it has been to find a place

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Beach. For some values of beach not including sand. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for,

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:22:07PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of London. Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that matter, what kind of numbers you're looking

Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
I know some people here had some experience with wwwthreads, but are there any alternatives? No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. go on dave, it cant be that hard -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: I know some people here had some experience with wwwthreads, but are there any alternatives? No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. With a little work wmforum is quite nice (easy enough to understand and therefore make more modular and

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. go on dave, it cant be that hard I'm sure there's a TT macro that does it all. -- Dave Hodgkinson,

RE: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson
If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference type facilities (also handy for the airport!). FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of London. Of course, I

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. go on dave, it cant be that hard Having done it a few times, it *isn't* that hard... Michael

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Andrew Bowman wrote: There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley Conference Centre[1], The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal Horticultural Halls, Queen

RE: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference type facilities (also handy for the airport!). FWIW, I know my mother has booked

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:28:06PM -, Andrew Bowman wrote: From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in

Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)

2001-01-21 Thread Neil Ford
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Andrew Bowman wrote: From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in fact, how difficult it has been to find a

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. go on dave, it cant be that hard

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum package by

Re: Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 04:50:39PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london Seeing as this was about TPC, interesting subject change :-) apologise for that i've rejoined (void) and once

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: *

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was in the process of converting it to TT when i lost a load of my work at oven (forgot to follwo symlinks when I tar gzipped home). Don't you hate it when that happens? I've managed to hack in the requisite headers and footers (a containing,

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was in the process of converting it to TT when i lost a load of my work at oven (forgot to follwo symlinks when I tar gzipped home). Don't you hate it when that happens? I've managed to hack in the

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was in the process of converting it to TT when i lost a load of my work at oven (forgot to follwo symlinks when I tar gzipped home). Don't you hate it when

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Leon Brocard
Jonathan Stowe sent the following bits through the ether: On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. go on dave, it cant be that hard Having done

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope
Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference type facilities (also handy for the airport!).

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Beach. For some values of beach not including sand. Don't start that argument. I spend many an hour - recently opcodes clicked whilst on the beach - and watching three nutters go for a swim ! Greg -- Dave

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope
Jonathan Peterson wrote: If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference type facilities (also handy for the airport!). FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg Cope
Greg McCarroll wrote: * Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Andrew Bowman wrote: From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels capable of supporting such an event. It's quite amazing to us, in fact, how

Mail::ListDetector - please test

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
Hi. I have an (as yet unreleased) module called Mail::ListDetector, which takes a Mail::Internet object, and attempts to tell you if the message involved was posted to a mailing list, and if so, attempts to get some details about that list. I need testers - in particular, see if it builds and

Re: TPC5

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london I think Location in this day an age is a little irrelivant. The choice will be made on quality of service - not where the office is based. ... and all the clients

Re: Holy War

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: Mandrake 7.2. All I'll say about mandrake is that we have a mandrake box at work and when you run printtool the cdrom ejects. I've been running Mandrake for a while (2 years?) now .. and it seems fine, its Dedrat really with the KDE desktop and a things

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, you wrote: Aside from all the inline HTML. ARGH! When will people learn! speaking of which ;) so .. in an idle moment I'm supposed to be re jazzin' a mates website .. uh huh, ... no inline HTML for me I says .. so instead of my normal method [1] I think so .. everyone

Re: distributed.net

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 11:36:25AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: Dave's new SUPER CHARGED TURBO NUTTER 2001 pc reminded me of the good old days of distributed.net. Is anyone still participating in this? I've just threw some keys at PMU but it

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Leon Brocard
Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: how do you get the process() method to return the output to you instead of printing the damn thing.??? Obviously didn't read the bit about the process method eh? # text reference $tt-process(\$text)

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, you wrote: how do you get the process() method to return the output to you instead of printing the damn thing.??? Obviously didn't read the bit about the process method eh? You'd be wanting the string ref as above, matie. ooh ta .. now where was that hiding

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef --)

2001-01-21 Thread Kieran Barry
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Chris Benson wrote: On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:04:24PM +, Robin Houston wrote: On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 08:01:51PM +, Chris Benson wrote: Another link is http://www.arsdigita.com/careers/ They seem to be a very good model for a consultancy

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:37:02PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: Yup. There isn't enough talent around, so people get promoted beyond their competence. If you train your people they'll only leave. The only way out of that cycle is to train in-house, and treat people so well that they stay. Which

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:37:02PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: Yup. There isn't enough talent around, so people get promoted beyond their competence. If you train your people they'll only leave. The only way out of that cycle is to train in-house, and treat people so well that they stay.

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:37:02PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: TCL is used because its multithreaded. Perl 6 is going to be multithreaded. It should be able to wipe TCL out. I've never actually understood the appeal of threads. Why do people like them? Michael

Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, I wrote: so while I'm on .. what is wisdom on this then .. my method was going to err hold your answers .. I'm just reading the docs on (the recently discovered) templatetoolkit.org -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef --)

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:37:02PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: TCL is used because its multithreaded. Perl 6 is going to be multithreaded. It should be able to wipe TCL out. I've never actually understood the appeal of threads. Why do people

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
y* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Ok, it's trolling a bit, but their main use seems to be where you don't want to bother to do proper nonblocking IO... quick web search They're apparently faster. And make it

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-21 Thread Mark Townsend
What sort of work do you want to do? What sort of business do you seek? Body shop, A-Team or bespoke software house? This message generated a few threads: Working from home v office; pair programming vs traditional project "individual portions"; and handling client contact or involvement.

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 10:58:54PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: y* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Ok, it's trolling a bit, but their main use seems to be where you don't want to bother to do proper nonblocking

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: we really want standardisation of technology interfaces in the industry, and threads go a little towards that - oh and a law that alows be to go around and shooting people who work in IT and i deep unworthy[1]. I do agree with this part. the

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 11:24:03PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: we really want standardisation of technology interfaces in the industry, and threads go a little towards that - oh and a law that alows be to go around and shooting people who

Fw: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-21 Thread Mark Townsend
Back to list * Mark Townsend ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: snip All of what Mark said is bang on. So, at the meeting, I suggest a few questions for the agenda: What sort of business do you expect to win? What funding have you (living of savings until you get money in)? How do you want

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef --)

2001-01-21 Thread Kieran Barry
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:37:02PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: TCL is used because its multithreaded. Perl 6 is going to be multithreaded. It should be able to wipe TCL out. I've never actually understood the appeal of threads. Why do people

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef --)

2001-01-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: y* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Ok, it's trolling a bit, but their main use seems to be where you don't want to bother to do proper nonblocking IO... quick web

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, you wrote: I don't see why you can't have a mix - it would be good to have a core group of people who always (nearl) work in the office so that if you usually work from home but need some face 2 face there will be people

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 10:34:54PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: The concept of execution threads within a process makes it easy to share resources like database connections. As I understand it, that's it. The pre-forked model that Apache uses has a problem because it's tough to share resources.

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 12:24:24AM +, Piers Cawley wrote: Now, I freely admit that I have partaken of the Extreme Programming Kool-Aid, and dammit I want to do it. I want to try it too. I'm not convinced by all of it - pair programming for

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, you wrote: One customer. On site. Full time. Absolute honesty. Get them on your side. The are the people who are *paying* for this, they deserve nothing but your honesty. Tell 'em about any problems and tell 'em early. Tell

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
"Dean S Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message- From: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did a little pair programming at emap - I probably wasn't doing it right tho'. even so we did get thru the hard bits quicker and could split up to do the easy stuff. I think it

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, you wrote: Keeping employees 101: Show respect, recognise them, care for them and provide opportunity for growth. It's all about the love; that's all anyone really wants. and money ... lots and lots of money ... -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, you wrote: I rush to point out that those stereotypes were *not* what I was on about in my "I'm really unsure about telecommuting" thing. I'm one of the gregarious types. acknowledged ... those 'stereotypes' where pretty extreme and I am sure there are other issues on

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, you wrote: The client doesn;t send Big Chief to sit with the designers, instead 'designers' is kind of the wrong term with XP. agreed they send Useless Minion. UM is positive and helpful and gives quick decisions ona whole variety of topics. And a week later

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 11:32:19PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, you wrote: [Could you configure your editor/mailer to attribute correctly?] Keeping employees 101: Show respect, recognise them, care for them and provide opportunity for growth. It's all about the love;

Re: distributed.net

2001-01-21 Thread David H. Adler
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 07:50:17PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: if you could email me the password to PMU i'd be grateful, also what is the focus of PMU - OGR or RC5? Unfortunately, since I didn't start it, I dunno. I'll see if I can track down who's responsible. dha -- David H. Adler -