Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Andy Wardley

On Jan 23, 11:53pm, Roger Horne wrote:
 A single email was sent by the powers that be[1]
[...]

Similar thing happened when I worked at ICL many moons ago.  Some executive
sent an email to the 'icl' alias, which for some mind-bogglingly stupid
reason was a valid alias expanding to everyone who worked for ICL.

After an hour or so, the mail host had failed to deliver this one message
to all NN thousand recipients, so it tried to resend it.  But of course
the machine and network were already a little busy trying to send the
first message so it didn't get too far before deciding it had failed and
re-sending it.  GOTO 10.

Meanwhile, the usual bunch of all-knowing, self-righteous idiots with
nothing better to do (i.e. failed technical people promoted to middle
management) starting sending replies to the sender telling him not to
use the global 'icl' alias for such messages.  Naturally, they wanted
everyone to share from the benefit of their wisdom so they made sure
that the original 'icl' distribution was kept intact.

Meanwhile, the usual bunch of know-nothing, self-important idiots with
nothing better to do (i.e. failed middle management moved sideways to
another middle managment position) starting sending replies to everyone
demanding that they stop being sent duplicate copies of all these different
emails.  cc'd to 'icl', of course, because the default (using OfficePower,
a truly jank ICL middleware system) was to simply copy the To: and CC: list
from the original message.

Naturally, it wasn't long before the whole shebang ground to a halt and
fell deeply into castors-up mode.

One of the interesting things I discovered in the ensuing
disentanglement of mail was that our expertly configured mail system
would have accepted mail from the outside world to huge aliases like
'icl'.  Could we spell "Dinial of Serviss"?  I think not.  But I
gleefully shirked my responsibilies and didn't tell anyone about it,
just in case I decided to become a disgruntled ex-employee with a
grudge at some point in future.  :-)=

There was a moral in this story but I forgot it in the process of
rambling on.  Probably something about munging Reply-To, or putting
all middle management up against a wall and shooting them (which ICL
did a short while later).


A










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XP, testing and perl

2001-01-24 Thread Greg Cope

Dear All

All the posts about XP and a Slashdot article about it got me thinking
and I have a generic question for the virtual floor.

Does Anyone know of any good perl test tutorials - i.e how to make
various test suites for a perl modules "make test" target ?

I've seen the Test::Harness stuff - but am after a guide - or a few
simple examples.  All the code I read in CPAN modules t/ dir appears to
be written in any old fasion.

Clues please, otherwise I'll continue to add to the t/ dir code pool in
any old way.. ;-)

Greg



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Fowler" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 January 2001 11:19
Subject: Re: odd -w effect


  Strange.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

I've also had this problem with CGI scripts running under apache on Windows.

Keep the -w in the file, that's been my solution.

/Robert




Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Philip Newton

Mark Fowler wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Strange.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
 Unix might have a problem if you take the -w out using a windows based
 editor which will insert some nasty line terminator at the end of the
 lines and screw up the file.  That's what I normally find the 
 problem is when 'nix can't find the file.

That is, replacing \n by \r\n. As you can see in the error message:

   ": no such file or directory

which is undoubtedly short for qq("/usr/local/bin/perl\r": no such file or
directory) -- the carriage return causing the filename to be overwritten by
the rest of the error message.

Cheers,
Philip



Re: Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 11:32:58AM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
 There was a moral in this story but I forgot it in the process of
 rambling on.  Probably something about munging Reply-To, or putting
 all middle management up against a wall and shooting them (which ICL
 did a short while later).

Was this simple yet violent process found to be of benefit to the
company?

michael



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread jduncan

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:57:13PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
 Mark Fowler wrote:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Strange.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
  
  Unix might have a problem if you take the -w out using a windows based
  editor which will insert some nasty line terminator at the end of the
  lines and screw up the file.  That's what I normally find the 
  problem is when 'nix can't find the file.
 
 That is, replacing \n by \r\n. As you can see in the error message:
 
": no such file or directory
 
 which is undoubtedly short for qq("/usr/local/bin/perl\r": no such file or
 directory) -- the carriage return causing the filename to be overwritten by
 the rest of the error message.

Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot
that some people use windows.

--james.

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Re: XP, testing and perl

2001-01-24 Thread Philip Newton

Greg Cope wrote:
 Does Anyone know of any good perl test tutorials - i.e how to make
 various test suites for a perl modules "make test" target ?
 
 I've seen the Test::Harness stuff - but am after a guide - or a few
 simple examples.  All the code I read in CPAN modules t/ dir 
 appears to be written in any old fasion.

Well, there's the Test module, which is supposed to help you write tests,
specifically, tests that will be run under Test::Harness later.

Besides that, I don't know of any good documentation for testing. Maybe some
enterprising soul with too much time on his hands could write some (hint,
hint). "Patches welcome" :-)

You could also try talking to Schwern ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), who's the Perl6
"Kwalitee Ashurance" guy and is also working a bit on Perl5 QA.

Cheers,
Phillip



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:08:50 +, Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:04:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
  On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
  Got it -- something else to stick in the commit checks... grrr... I forgot
  that some people use windows.
  If only I could.
  Try using CVS when some people insist on editing with Windows...
 
 Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save
 with unix line ending conventions...

And Xemacs. Seems to work fine with both Unix and DOS line endings, but
I haven't yet worked out how to change them.

Dave...



Re: Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Andy Wardley

On Jan 24, 11:07am, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 The line I heard was "they decided to line up all the inept middle
 managers at ICL up aganst a wall but they couldn't find a wll long
 enough..."

That's frighteningly close to being true.

I worked at ICL Bracknell 01, the large building you see coming into
Bracknell from the A322.  On the bottom floor we had the humungous
machine hall which accounted for about 2/3rds of the floor space.  There
were offices surrounding it.  People did work here.  The machine room
was 2 floors high so the first floor had only the offices around the
edge and a gallery looking down onto the tops of all the boxes in the
machine room.  People did work here.

The 3rd floor was for sales and marketing suits.  They did what they would
claim was "work" here.  There were a few small groups of people on the
5th floor who also did some real "work".  But apart from them, the upper
8 floors of the building were all management.  Managers progressed up the
company and up the building.

In the late eighties, ICL was bleeding money and got bought out by
Fujitsu, presumably at a knock-down rate.  They kept the top floor and
the bottom 3 floors and kicked the rest out.  The people that is, not
the actual floors themselves.  Unfortunately, the few people who did
survive the culling were generally the really useless twats who spent
their time colouring their noses the right shade of brown and making
sure that they weren't the first ones up against the wall when the
revolution came.  Such is the way.

Nevertheless, I was amused that I went from being 13 layers of management
separation away from Peter Bonfield, the man at the top, to only 4 away.
But he still didn't answer my calls or accept the invitation for a beer
after work.   :-(


A






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Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:31:28PM +, Michael Stevens typed:

I propose we drag these people and drop them in those big rubbish bins
you see outside offices.

DD is vaguely useful sometimes. Just not when I'm editing text.

Anyone played much with PowerArchiver? Freeware WinZip clone. Given
how many unregistered copies are floating around...

R



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:35:17PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
 Let's be kind to the poor Windows users, encouraging them with the lure of
 free powerful software;  once they get a taste for it they'll be begging you
 to help them get Linux installed as a dual boot on their home machines, then
 as they get used to it and driver support gets better they'll find
 themselves booting Linux more than Windows, then their conversion away from
 the dark side will be complete :-)

I think the appropriate attitude is to NOT try to convert people, except
possibly in a slightly silly "muh, you must use linux for everything" way
that I personally don't take too seriously.

We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and
IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't 
try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going
"aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and
you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves,
and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed.

OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix
used more in the workplace. I dunno.

Michael



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:43:46PM +, Michael Stevens typed:

We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and
IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't 
try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going
"aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and
you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves,
and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed.

OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix
used more in the workplace. I dunno.

I think it's just like proactive evangelism vs "living a good life" -
when your box hasn't crashed six times today, and it's running a clone
of a production web site faster than the live box, and it's doing all
the monitoring for the company, and... people start to say "ooh, how can
I get some of that". This is a reaction that hitting them over the head
with Debian CDs rarely engenders (though it's fun anyway).

Roger



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:46:13PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
 On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:43:46PM +, Michael Stevens typed:
 
 We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and
 IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't 
 try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going
 "aargh, it' doesn't have all the shiny windows features, it must suck, and
 you said it was good", whereas if they get interested in it themselves,
 and come to you, you've made no promises so they can't be dissappointed.
 OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix
 used more in the workplace. I dunno.
 I think it's just like proactive evangelism vs "living a good life" -
 when your box hasn't crashed six times today, and it's running a clone
 of a production web site faster than the live box, and it's doing all
 the monitoring for the company, and... people start to say "ooh, how can
 I get some of that". This is a reaction that hitting them over the head
 with Debian CDs rarely engenders (though it's fun anyway).

I was actually thinking religion here as the analogy...

Anyway, we seem to be in furious agreement.

Michael



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Mark Fowler

As I seemed to be destined to be ignored, I'll do what I should have done
and shoult a little louder:

UltraEdit32 is a really good windows editor[1] if you like the way of
Windows.  It does all the right things (in the way that perl does all the
right things) with line endings.  And a lot more (but in a good way, not
in a bloat way)

If you're on Windows and you want to be on Linux then get emacs or
whatever, which do work, but don't bitch about the people using
their metophor of choice not using emacs.  Just bitch at them for 
using a shit program (e.g. notepad) and give them a really nice
windows style program (e.g. ultraedit). TMTOWTDI.

Later.

Mark.

[1] It's shareware.  It's actually the last commerical software (excluding
games) I bought.

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   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re: Stupid Email

2001-01-24 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Andy Wardley wrote:
 
 Meanwhile, the usual bunch of know-nothing, self-important idiots with
 nothing better to do (i.e. failed middle management moved sideways to
 another middle managment position) starting sending replies to everyone
 demanding that they stop being sent duplicate copies of all these different
 emails.  cc'd to 'icl', of course, because the default (using OfficePower,
 a truly jank ICL middleware system) was to simply copy the To: and CC: list
 from the original message.
 

OfficePower *sigh* I wrote an X.400 - SMTP gateway for that once - in
Perl (4) of Course.

/J\
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Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Michael Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 January 2001 12:43
Subject: Re: odd -w effect



 OTOH, that doesn't help us much with the desirable goal of getting unix
 used more in the workplace. I dunno.

Well, it does actually, in a roundabout way. People who run it at home, will
want to play with it at work too. They'll see an old Pentium box in the
corner of the office not being used, and stick Linux on it. They will hook
it up to the network and 

/Robert




Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Simon Wistow

Michael Stevens wrote:

 I hate to say it, but I'm slowly becoming converted to windows cut  paste.
 
 I like being able to highlight a block of text and hit ctrl-v to replace
 that with the contents of the clipboard.

troll
Why do you hate to say it? It's better than cut and paste of X. 

Linux isn't the be all and end all. It's not even the best Unix clone
out there in my opinion - it just has the most support. But if that's
the measure of how good it is then Windows is better. Inux just happens
to be better at doing most stuff that we need to do. But it doesn't mean
that it's the best OS. In fact when you think about it it's a bit shit
and is based on 30 year old technology which wasn't even the best OS
back then (c.f http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html) but then at
least it's not nearly as bad as X is.

*nix is not the future. Something else entirely is.

/troll

Simon
[grumpy today]



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Richard Clamp

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:08:50PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 
 Emacs is available for windows. Now if I can just persuade it to save
 with unix line ending conventions...

Having recently done this, the thing you want is
set-buffer-file-coding-system, the default keybinding being 'C-x RET f'.  I
can highly recommend undecided-unix.

-- 
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Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread James Powell

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:39:13PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:36:40PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
  On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:31:28PM +, Michael Stevens typed:
  I propose we drag these people and drop them in those big rubbish bins
  you see outside offices.
  DD is vaguely useful sometimes. Just not when I'm editing text.
 
 I hate to say it, but I'm slowly becoming converted to windows cut  paste.
 
 I like being able to highlight a block of text and hit ctrl-v to replace
 that with the contents of the clipboard.
 

Presume you have Pending-delete-mode in Xemacs set up then

I also have this in my .emacs (ctrl changed to alt, just to confuse
me when moving platforms but not to confuse emacs or X).

;; windows emu
(require 'pc-select)
(pc-select-mode t)
(global-set-key [(alt c)] copy-primary-selection)
(global-set-key [(alt v)] yank)
(global-set-key [(alt x)] copy-region-as-kill)
(global-set-key [(alt left)] backward-word)
(global-set-key [(alt right)] forward-word)
(global-set-key [(alt up)] backward-paragraph)
(global-set-key [(alt down)] forward-paragraph)




RE: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Jonathan Peterson


 *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is.

Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh
well.

Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba
is the prefered development environment.




Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is.

 Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh
 well.

 Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running
samba
 is the prefered development environment.

Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X
stuff.

/Robert




Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:18:17PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:

 Must remember to try IE under WINE.

Don't bother.  It doesn't work.

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RE: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Bates, Duncan

I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest
way to produce it.

so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in?


-- 
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Developer
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Mobile: 07884 336 532
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Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Dean S Wilson

-Original Message-
From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine
running
samba
 is the prefered development environment.

Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for
doing X
stuff.


If you've got a nice meaty box at home then run Linux with NT in
vmware, you get a very nice system that way. You have a two machine
subnet for clean network testing that can be firewalled off at the
Linux host os, you can use procmail to check for vbs viri and then use
outlook and IE for web browsing. Its how I used to do 95% of my work.
Well until my motherboard started frying harddrives...

Dean

PS Running Linux in VMWare on NT works fine as well but its sick :)

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Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Dean S Wilson

Original Message-
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Must remember to try IE under WINE.

Don't bother.  It doesn't work.


I've seen IE5 running under wine on Debian. The machine did have a 98
partition though so he might have been using the libraries from there,
is that cheating? :)

Dean
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Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

 From: "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is.
 
  Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh
  well.
 
  Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba
  is the prefered development environment.
 
 Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X
 stuff.
 

I am using X-WIn32 right now.

/J\
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Web site

2001-01-24 Thread Neil Ford

Dave

I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website still 
lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update perhaps?

Neil.
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Re: Web site

2001-01-24 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 03:36:28PM +, Neil Ford wrote:

 I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website still 
 lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update perhaps?

http://dave.told.us.to is correct though :-)

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Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread DJ Adams

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:23:57PM -, Bates, Duncan wrote:
 I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest
 way to produce it.
 
 so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in?

docbook?

markup / WYSINWYG rules
dj



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread DJ Adams

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
 
 Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba
 is the prefered development environment.

I'm with you on that one. That's what I'm doing right now, and with PuTTY
being such a great tiny-footprint client, the combo is lowest-common-
denominator and extremely portable. I don't get involved with the e.g.
Gnome vs KDE or whatever - because I don't have a 'desktop' as such. 

luvverly.

dj '80x25' adams




RE: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:23:57 -, "Bates, Duncan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wrote my book under Windows - I figured that Word would be the easiest
 way to produce it.
 
 so in retrospect what would be the best format to produce a book in?

Oh, I'd probably do something based using the Template Toolkit :)

But seriously, probably DocBook, or Latex.

Dave...



Re: Web site

2001-01-24 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:36:28 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave
 
 I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website still 
 lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update perhaps?

Which page did you have in mind? It all looks up to date to me.

Dave..



Re: Web site

2001-01-24 Thread Neil Ford

At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:36:28 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dave

  I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website still
  lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update perhaps?

Which page did you have in mind? It all looks up to date to me.

Dave..

The front page on Penderel (currently down I beleive) has a little 
calendar, list PO as the venue.

Or was I getting cached pages?

Neil.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Web site

2001-01-24 Thread Simon_Wilcox





At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:36:28 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dave

  I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website still
  lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update perhaps?

Which page did you have in mind? It all looks up to date to me.

Dave..




I've been looking at london.pm.org which is still showing the tech meeting on
the 18th on the front page.


Is that the right url ?


Simon.












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Re: Web site

2001-01-24 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:20:36 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:36:28 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Dave
 
   I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website 
   still lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update 
   perhaps?
 
  Which page did you have in mind? It all looks up to date to me.
 
 The front page on Penderel (currently down I beleive) has a little 
 calendar, list PO as the venue.
 
 Or was I getting cached pages?

Ah. OK. You shouldn't trust anything on penderel as that was just a 
snapshot copy of the main site http://london.pm.org that I did as
an experiment a while ago. The _real_ site had some major updates
recently.

Perhaps we could get something set up that mirrors london.pm.org to
penderel? Jo? Alex?

Dave...



Re: Web site

2001-01-24 Thread Dave Cross

At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:41:01 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:36:28 +, Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Dave
 
   I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website 
   still lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update 
   perhaps?
 
 Which page did you have in mind? It all looks up to date to me.
 
 I've been looking at london.pm.org which is still showing the tech 
 meeting on the 18th on the front page.

 Is that the right url ?

Yep. That's right. Everything else is not to be trusted.

Dave...



Re: word processors

2001-01-24 Thread Robin Houston

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 04:35:17PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 
 I wonder if anyone has written a novel in Latex?

That sounds like a challenge to me :-)
You have to set it in Computer Modern as well though.

 .robin.



Re: word processors

2001-01-24 Thread Robin Houston

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 05:11:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 
 Much as I love Computer Modern for technical work, using it for fiction
 would just be WRONG WRONG WRONG.

In a good way :-)

 .robin.



Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 01:47:59PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
  Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba
  is the prefered development environment.
 Aye aye. Windows UI is much nicer than linux's (right now) and
 linux doesn't have a decent browser which is a serious handicap.

My mileage varies.

Although you're right about the browser.

Michael



Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-24 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 06:17:45PM +, Robin Houston wrote:
 I suppose you were hoping for a simpler procedure, but this is
 the simplest I've found. Possibly IE doesn't have that problem.

It has others, it'll s/\./_/g for all except the last.

Exercise: Implement the "except the last" in a regex :-)
Extra points for squeezing it into a single regex rather than
a while / $' solution

Paul



Re: Dumb-assed question

2001-01-24 Thread Robin Houston

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:42:58PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 
 Exercise: Implement the "except the last" in a regex :-)
 Extra points for squeezing it into a single regex rather than
 a while / $' solution


s/\.(?=.*\.)/_/g;

 .robin.

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JOB: desperately seeking symbian

2001-01-24 Thread jo walsh


a friend asked me to pass this on, it seems interesting.
(symbian looking for 1 junior 1 senior perm perl bods)
in a parallel world where i have cft, this has gone in the jobs
database. um.

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The contact details are:

Dave Jobling
Manager, Tools and Processes Team
System Documentation
Symbian
Switchboard: +44 (0)20 7563 2000
Desk:   +44 (0)20 7563 2842
Mobile:+44 07747 065564
Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Job title: 2x Build and Tools Software Engineer, reporting to me as team
leader within the SysDoc group.  (1 junior, 1 senior; both permanent.)

Location: Central London (nearest tube station: Edgeware Road).

Broad content of the role:

The System Documentation Group is responsible for producing and maintaining
documentation targetted at developers working with the Symbian software
platform. The resulting Developer Library documentation is released as part
of the Software Development Kits (SDKs) that are used by Symbian licensees,
partners, third party developers and in-house software engineers.

Within the System Documentation Group, the Tools and Processes Team is
responsible for the development and maintenance of a tool chain to support
the documentation production process. The technology areas supported by the
team include XML and HTML, source control and configuration management,
builds, testing, system and product integration and product release. Tools
are typically engineered using Perl.

Key tasks:

* support, maintain and extend document building tool chain and processes

* evolve the design and structure of the documentation component of Symbian
SDKs

* identify process improvements

* create and maintain process documentation

Essential qualifications:

* experience of Perl development in a commercial environment (scaled
according to role sought)

* problem-solver, team player, adaptable and flexible, suited to working
under pressure, attention to detail, good communicator

Desired qualifications:

* for the senior role, education to software engineering (or similar)
degree; for the junior role, degree in an IT-related subject

* knowledge of XML/HTML

* knowledge of (not necessarily direct involvement in) C++ development in a
commercial environment

* knowledge of software development methodologies, software integration and
testing