Re: Technical Meeting Venues

2001-01-30 Thread Simon Wistow

Matthew Jones wrote:
 
 So how do That.pm feel about some northern tyke scuttling down to join you
 for the odd beer and tech meeting on a sort of semi-regular basis?

For the love of God NO! Every time you're down in This I end up the next
morning feeling fragile wearing nothing but a traffic cone and a
policwoman's helmet ;)





.emacs

2001-01-30 Thread Adam Worrall

 "MF" == Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MF 2) Got any nice bits of your .emacs file to share?

My only foray into elisp was this chunk:

/ Start /
;; This revert function does not prompt.
;; Use a `permenant-local' buffer local variable to allow the function
;; to be switched on once per file; this will prevent accidental
;; damage to important files.
(defvar first-call-to-revert t
  "By default we do not allow serious buffer reverting")
(put 'first-call-to-revert 'permanent-local t)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'first-call-to-revert)

(defun abw-revert-buffer ()
 "Serious, unprompting revert-buffer"
  (interactive)
  (progn
(if first-call-to-revert
(if (y-or-n-p "Enable serious revert buffer ? ")
(progn
  (revert-buffer t t)
  (message "Buffer reverted")
  (setq first-call-to-revert nil)))
  (progn
(revert-buffer t t)
(message "Buffer reverted")

-/ End /-

You then bind 'abw-revert-buffer' toa handy key, and have an
ask-first-time-only buffer reverting thing. I daresay there's on option
for this now, but hey !

 - Adam

PS: If anyone out there is sick enough to use the folding editor
 extension to emacs, I have lots of hand crafted glue to make it
 play nicely with font-lock ...






Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

2001-01-30 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

 OK Groovers,

 The DNS has been set up so now london.pm.org is penderel.state51.co.uk as
 outlined below.


The only problem with this is that the http server doesnt appear to be
running at the moment and there is no-one alive on #london.pm who has a
login - could someone who can kick the server into life and check the
content is up to date.

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

2001-01-30 Thread Dave Cross

At Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:45:09 + (GMT), Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 
  OK Groovers,
 
  The DNS has been set up so now london.pm.org is 
  penderel.state51.co.uk as outlined below.
 
 The only problem with this is that the http server doesnt appear to be
 running at the moment and there is no-one alive on #london.pm who has 
 a login - could someone who can kick the server into life and check 
 the content is up to date.

Strictly speaking, that isn't the _only_ problem :)

The version of the website is at least a month out of date and the 
last time I looked the webserver on Penderel was set up differently to
the hfb one. In order to get it working, one of two things need to 
happen. Either the Apache configuration needs to change so that .cgi
files in any directory are executed (this is how hfb worked) or I need
write access to the cgi-bin directory.

As a short term-fix, just getting the pages from hfb would work - I 
could fix up the SSI and CGI stuff later.

Cheers,

Dave...
[who would help more if it wasn't for this fscking firewall]



Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

2001-01-30 Thread Dave Cross

At Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:57:56 + (GMT), Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 
  At Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:45:09 + (GMT), Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
  
OK Groovers,
   
The DNS has been set up so now london.pm.org is
penderel.state51.co.uk as outlined below.
  
   The only problem with this is that the http server doesnt appear
   to be running at the moment and there is no-one alive on 
   #london.pm who has a login - could someone who can kick the 
   server into life and check the content is up to date.
 
  Strictly speaking, that isn't the _only_ problem :)
 
  The version of the website is at least a month out of date and the
  last time I looked the webserver on Penderel was set up differently 
  to the hfb one. In order to get it working, one of two things need 
  to happen. Either the Apache configuration needs to change so 
  that .cgi files in any directory are executed (this is how hfb 
  worked) or I need write access to the cgi-bin directory.
 
 
 We'll get the first person to turn up in the channel who has root to 
 fix this :)

If you need the password for the login on hfb, just SMS me on 07973
553385 and I'll send it right back.

Dave...



Re: .emacs

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Stevens

On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 07:53:00PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
 I like my .emacs file.  It sets nice fonts and colours, and sets the
 editing mode and wrapping mode of choice ;-)
 
 I'm sure it can do more...
 
  1) Where do I find handy things to put into my .emacs file on the web?
  2) Got any nice bits of your .emacs file to share?
 
 Note that (shock, horror) I can't program lisp properly (duh, I program
 perl) so that I may sound stupid when it comes to these things.

The real trick is trying to write something portable between emacs
and xemacs. Anyway...

;; inhibit annoying messages
(setq inhibit-startup-echo-area-message t)
(setq inhibit-startup-message t)

;; set general defaults
(setq tab-width 2)
(setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
(setq initial-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)

;; add my libraries to load-path
(setq load-path
  (append (list (expand-file-name "~michaels/etc/emacs"))
  load-path))

p4.el available from http://www.dsmit.com/p4/ is kinda nice if you're
working with perforce.

Michael



Re: .emacs

2001-01-30 Thread James Powell

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:55:58AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 08:13:11PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
  Robin said:
   On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 07:53:00PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
 2) Got any nice bits of your .emacs file to share?
   
   Hmm, well this:
   
   (add-hook 'ange-ftp-process-startup-hook
 '(lambda ()
(ange-ftp-raw-send-cmd proc "passive on")))
   
   enables ange-ftp mode to work from inside our firewall.
   Not very exciting unless you have the same problem...
 
 I can't get this to work.  At least not with efs under xemacs.  It just
 hangs after issuing the command.  Unfortunately, my elisp debugging
 skills aren't up to sorting it out.  :-(
 
 -Dom

You'll be wanting

;; efs passive FTP mode as behind firewall
(setq efs-use-passive-mode t)

If you want to send some passwords in plaintext then ;)


jp (who has trouble getting OpenSSH's scp to work)




Re: .emacs

2001-01-30 Thread Richard Clamp

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:55:58AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 08:13:11PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
  Robin said:
   On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 07:53:00PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
 2) Got any nice bits of your .emacs file to share?
   
   Hmm, well this:
   
   (add-hook 'ange-ftp-process-startup-hook
 '(lambda ()
(ange-ftp-raw-send-cmd proc "passive on")))
   
   enables ange-ftp mode to work from inside our firewall.
   Not very exciting unless you have the same problem...
 
 I can't get this to work.  At least not with efs under xemacs.  It just
 hangs after issuing the command.  Unfortunately, my elisp debugging
 skills aren't up to sorting it out.  :-(

That cause efs != angeftp.  M-x apropos efs-.*-process would be my best
guess for where to start tweaking.

Either that or look for something like ftp-command, and change the value of
that from ftp to pftp[0]

[0] YMMV is you're not using the same ftp doohicky as my box does.

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Fwd: [mengerin@deja.com: [?] Template Toolkit]

2001-01-30 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Leon Brocard wrote:
 
  Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether:
 
   I got the following email in response to my TT2 article. I know nothing
   about EmbPerl so I can't really answer these points. Does anyone who has
   used EmbPerl have any ammo that I can use in my reply?
 
  Embperl is entirely Apache and web based, which is good for some
  things and bad for some things, like having the template wotsit work
  orthogonally to everything else.
 
 And entirely impossible for a lot of the things that I am using TT for
 like creating printed documents and e-mail messages 

Add to that, generating mails to Nominet and Network (ack!) Solutions,
data mapping templates and Oracle table definitions, constraints and
triggers.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
  -



Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

2001-01-30 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:23:38AM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

 OK Groovers,
 
 The DNS has been set up so now london.pm.org is penderel.state51.co.uk as
 outlined below.
 
 Does anyone have any feelings to delegating the DNS to servers under our
 own control at some juncture ?

/me volunteers.

I appear not to have fscked up djbdns on my box.  I did, of course, test
it with Someone Elses Domain :-)  Haven't figured out how to do zone
transfers yet, but I'm sure it can't be difficult.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced



Re: .emacs

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Stevens

On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 07:53:00PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
 I like my .emacs file.  It sets nice fonts and colours, and sets the
 editing mode and wrapping mode of choice ;-)
 I'm sure it can do more...
  1) Where do I find handy things to put into my .emacs file on the web?
  2) Got any nice bits of your .emacs file to share?
 Note that (shock, horror) I can't program lisp properly (duh, I program
 perl) so that I may sound stupid when it comes to these things.

;; working for me to get unix line endings on a win32 system
(set-default-coding-systems 'undecided-unix)

;; I like auto-fill when I'm editing text. usually
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'auto-fill-mode)

;; show me the region selected right now
(setq transient-mark-mode t)

Michael



Damian's Latest

2001-01-30 Thread Dave Cross

Damian's latest diary entry http://www.yetanother.org/damian/diary_latest.html
talks about the work he's been doing on a module called Regex::Common.

It's the usual Damian brain-stretching stuff - and this time he 
manages to find a good use for the $; variable which is _so_
deprecated that I can't even find it mentioned in the latest Camel.

Dave...



Re: TT vs EmbPerl (was Re: Fwd: [mengerin@deja.com: [?] Template Toolkit])

2001-01-30 Thread James Powell

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 10:33:30AM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 On 30 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
  Add to that, generating mails to Nominet and Network (ack!) Solutions,
 
 Which is exactly what I was using it for yesterday :)  Well except not
 Netowrk Solutions as we are using another registrar ...
 

Interestingly .tv use gpg-signed messages sent over https...
for all aspects of registration.

They supply (slightly dodgy) perl modules as well.


jp



Re: Damian's Latest

2001-01-30 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 05:23:41AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:

 Damian's latest diary entry talks about the work he's been doing on a
 module called Regex::Common.

I'm still waiting for him to do Parse::Perl.  Goddamnit, I *need* that
module!

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced



Re: Damian's Latest

2001-01-30 Thread Richard Clamp

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 05:23:41AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
 It's the usual Damian brain-stretching stuff - and this time he 
 manages to find a good use for the $; variable which is _so_
 deprecated that I can't even find it mentioned in the latest Camel.

From p674 
quote
Although we haven't deprecated this feature, you should instead consider
using "real" multidimension hashes now, such as $foo{$a}{$b}{$c} instead of
$foo{$a,$b,$c}.  The fake ones may be easier to sort, however, and are much
more amenable to use as DBM files.
/quote

Richard - who also found a good use for it (Algorithm::MarkovChain)

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Meeting Reminder

2001-01-30 Thread Simon Wistow

Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 The Anchor, near London Bridge, 8/1/2001, starting 6.30 ish ;-)
 
 (ask me for directions if you dont' know it)

Top pub. 

Although I'm partial to Davy's Pot House under the bridge as well.
Conveniently close to Cynthia's Cyberbar.

Simon
[who decided to give up drinking for Feburary and is now regretting it
...]



london.pm.org seems to be working

2001-01-30 Thread jo walsh


for at least some values of working

todo -

1/ get mailman properly configured
2/ set up sudo for web stuff
3/ profit!

jo






RE: Damian's Latest

2001-01-30 Thread Jonathan Peterson

 
 Actually, it's Regexp::Common in case you were looking for it on CPAN.
 

[vast regex snipped]

U.. shouldn't one do this stuff with Lingua::Stem really?




Re: Bad Perl

2001-01-30 Thread Dave Cross

At Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:11:36 +, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Saw this in a bookshop on Saturday (Borders?) and I've been meaning to
 send it to you lot.
 
 There's this book - "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web: Visual
 QuickStart Guide" by Elizabeth Castro (online at
 http://beta.peachpit.com/vqs/perlcgi/) which I saw so I picked it up 
 and started flicking through it. 

You might be interested to read the reviews of this book at PerlMonks.
http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=21576
Seems to bear out Simon's impressions.

Dave...



Re: Meeting Reminder

2001-01-30 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 Simon
 [who decided to give up drinking for Feburary and is now regretting it
 ...]


voice type="Mr T"Crazy fool/voice

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




RE: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

2001-01-30 Thread Mike . Davis
Title: RE: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)





 -Original Message-
 From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:27 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)
 
 
 On or about Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:23:38AM +, Jonathan 
 Stowe typed:
 
 Does anyone have any feelings to delegating the DNS to 
 servers under our
 own control at some juncture ?
 
 I'll be happy to provide secondary - box is in Mailbox's 
 Fulham location.
 See also soa.granitecanyon.com.
 
 Roger
 


I can provide another secondary, if needed... ns.kieser.net (possibly) or ns.3drevolution.net (definitely). Also not a bad hand at setting up DNS servers :-)

Mike





.emacs

2001-01-30 Thread brianr

Mark Fowler writes:
  I like my .emacs file.  It sets nice fonts and colours, and sets the
  editing mode and wrapping mode of choice ;-)
  
  I'm sure it can do more...
  
   1) Where do I find handy things to put into my .emacs file on the web?
   2) Got any nice bits of your .emacs file to share?

Apart from the options menu settings, my .emacs file contains:

(require 'gnuserv)
(gnuserv-start)

(load-library "my-startup")

i.e. all my '.emacs' code is in another file and byte compiled for
faster loading. Most of the code in that file is pretty specific to me
(not to mention being a f**king mess), so I'm not going to post
it. However, one of the more general functions that I have not yet
seen elsewhere is:

(defun bfr-mouse-call-last-kbd-macro (event)
  "*Execute last keyboard macro at point of mouse click"
  (interactive "e")
  (progn
(mouse-set-point event)
(call-last-kbd-macro)))
(global-set-key [(control meta button1)] 'bfr-mouse-call-last-kbd-macro)

This is for xemacs BTW. I seem to remember setting the point being
different in GNU emacs IIRC.

I have just started looking at http://tiny-tools.sourceforge.net. It
seems to have a fair bit of interesting emacs ( Perl) related stuff
and links. Indeed, one of the tips I saw there (can't remember exactly
where though) was don't prefix your own functions with your initials
as this make your code harder to share. Oh well.

HTH

-- 
Brian Raven
When in doubt, parenthesize.  At the very least it will let some
poor schmuck bounce on the % key in vi.
 -- Larry Wall in the perl man page



Re: Bad Perl

2001-01-30 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, you wrote:
 Saw this in a bookshop on Saturday (Borders?) and I've been meaning to
 send it to you lot.
 
 There's this book - "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web: Visual
 QuickStart Guide" by Elizabeth Castro (online at
 http://beta.peachpit.com/vqs/perlcgi/) which I saw so I picked it up and
 started flicking through it. 

I got that some time ago when I first started doing a bit of web stuff ..
and soon reallised it was pants .. i put a review on Amazon but I think
they migh thave deleted it.

 *cough* MAP! *cough* CGI.pm! Parse_Form? no use CGI;, use strict;?
 Where are the 'my's. I only flicked through briefly but found references
 to Matt's Script Archive and non to *any* Templating system. 

yeah .. for the level and style of reader she was aiming at I think
CGI.pm would have saved a lot of bother, although I would no longer
reccomend it for 'proper' stuff it could be useful for people trying to
build little stand alone scripts.

but I think you have to look at it the context of the readership it was
aimed at  .. yes it uses what I would call 'poor programming style' and
is way way way away from 'Good Perl' but it was aimed at non programmers
and as such the idea of subroutines and lexically scoped variables is
probably a bit hard for them.

but the code does stink.  I have to keep it in a plastic bag just to stop
the smell from getting out.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

2001-01-30 Thread Philip Newton

Roger Burton West wrote:
 On or about Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:23:38AM +, Jonathan 
 Stowe typed:
 
 Does anyone have any feelings to delegating the DNS to 
 servers under our own control at some juncture ?
 
 I'll be happy to provide secondary - box is in Mailbox's 
 Fulham location.
 See also soa.granitecanyon.com.

Granitecanyon? The boxes that are chronically down? Which resulted in me
getting mail from the domain registry telling me to get a working nameserver
up with thein week or they might yank the domain? Where noone seems to care
about support.

Granitecanyon -- where You Get What You Pay For. IMO, at least.

Cheers,
Philip

(What use is a place where you can put anything you like in your zone files
if the things are down half the time?)



Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

2001-01-30 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 02:11:41PM +0100, Philip Newton typed:

Granitecanyon? The boxes that are chronically down? Which resulted in me
getting mail from the domain registry telling me to get a working nameserver
up with thein week or they might yank the domain? Where noone seems to care
about support.

I haven't had any problems with them, but I don't use them as primaries.

Granitecanyon -- where You Get What You Pay For. IMO, at least.

What you get is redundancy in the DNS. If they're down, so what?

Roger



CGI.pm Question

2001-01-30 Thread Andy Williams

Hi,

I know how to redirect using the GET method
print $q-redirect("$url?$query_string");
but how do I do it for POST?

TIA

Andy



"This sounds like a twelve-change-of-underwear trip."






Re: CGI.pm Question

2001-01-30 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Andy Williams wrote:

 Hi,

 I know how to redirect using the GET method
   print $q-redirect("$url?$query_string");
 but how do I do it for POST?


You can't properly - I think there is a rant on :

http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/www/

about this matter but I dont have the time to check the whole lot.  The
best way to achieve the effect is to use LWP to submit the request and
then display the resulting output.

This might answer:

   http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/www/post-redirect.html

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: Bad Perl

2001-01-30 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton

Simon Wistow [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*
*It's terrible. Look at this particular gem of code  entitled "Modifying
*all the members of an array"

There is a second edition in the works right now so I would encourage you to
make its flaws known though I think this is a peachpit press book, not AW as 
the amazon.com listing says.

And speaking of bad books, who is this Martin Brown guy who has a new book
every month these days, certainly he must have a ghostwriter.

Also, be sure to queue up for 'Instant Perl Modules', water not included.

e.



Re: CGI.pm Question

2001-01-30 Thread Andy Williams


 You can't properly - I think there is a rant on :

 http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/www/

 about this matter but I dont have the time to check the whole lot.  The
 best way to achieve the effect is to use LWP to submit the request and
 then display the resulting output.

 This might answer:

http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/www/post-redirect.html


Thanks Jonathon.

It appears that it'll only work if all my users have Lynx 2.8.3. (I
can dream I suppose.)

Just added another page to the mix that auto submits on load, and that
seems to work.

Andy




Migrating from 5.005 to 5.6

2001-01-30 Thread Tony Bowden


So, we've a pretty large system running on 5.005_03. We want to move to
5.6. We've been running several development machines on 5.6 without any
noticeable problems, but it's impoosible to test by hand every possible
script etc that could be run.

Are there any known gotchas that we should be aware of before switching
on our production machines?

I can't find a list anywhere. All the deltas and what's news etc all
just talk about new features, not any backwards problems...

Thanks,

Tony
-- 
-
 Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk
every tool is a weapon - if you hold it right
-



Re: Fwd: [uri@sysarch.com: free copy of data munging with perl]

2001-01-30 Thread David H. Adler

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 07:59:29AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 11:03:19PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
  
   It's starting to sound like I@m the only bugger who _hasn't_ got a copy
   of my book yet :(
  
  I got a copy in the mail yesterday when I got home :-)
  
 
 the bloke who works in the kebab shop opposite also had one yesterday ;-)
 dave, do you think manning are trying to tell you something? ;-)

FWIW, I got three of them... :-/

Mr. "here!  take books from me!" (as far as publishers are concerned,
anyway...)

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Pancakes is the better part of valor- Toothgnip



Re: Migrating from 5.005 to 5.6

2001-01-30 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:


 So, we've a pretty large system running on 5.005_03. We want to move to
 5.6. We've been running several development machines on 5.6 without any
 noticeable problems, but it's impoosible to test by hand every possible
 script etc that could be run.

 Are there any known gotchas that we should be aware of before switching
 on our production machines?


All the ones that have got me are going in the other direction - from a
development machine on 5.6.o back to the production one with 5.005 - thats
where the pain starts :)


-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: Fwd: [uri@sysarch.com: free copy of data munging with perl]

2001-01-30 Thread Dave Cross

At Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:32:49 -0500, "David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 07:59:29AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 11:03:19PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
   
It's starting to sound like I@m the only bugger who _hasn't_ 
got a copy of my book yet :(
   
   I got a copy in the mail yesterday when I got home :-)
   
  
  the bloke who works in the kebab shop opposite also had one 
  yesterday ;-) dave, do you think manning are trying to tell you 
  something? ;-)
 
 FWIW, I got three of them... :-/

OK. I'm working under the theory that my box of books is too big to
fit thru the letter box - so they'll deleiver it when they think I'll
be in - i.e. Saturday.

 Mr. "here!  take books from me!" (as far as publishers are concerned,
 anyway...)

Me too, generally. This seems to be the exception.

Dave...



Re: london.pm.org seems to be working

2001-01-30 Thread David H. Adler

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:57:58AM +, jo walsh wrote:
 
 for at least some values of working
 
 todo -
 
 1/ get mailman properly configured
 2/ set up sudo for web stuff
 3/ profit!

So *that's* what phase 2 is!!!

dha o/~underwear gnomes, underwear gnomes...o/~

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
... nononono. And to use nonononono just to negate that is, uhm,
confusing. Someone might think I'm stuttering.
- Abigail, p5p



Re: Fwd: [uri@sysarch.com: free copy of data munging with perl]

2001-01-30 Thread David H. Adler

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 11:41:20AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
 At Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:32:49 -0500, "David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Mr. "here!  take books from me!" (as far as publishers are concerned,
  anyway...)
 
 Me too, generally. This seems to be the exception.

"Well, *he* certainly doesn't need to read it..."

:-)

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
A picture is worth
several hundred thousand words...
in the right haiku  - Damian Conway



London Community News 30/01/00

2001-01-30 Thread Dean S Wilson

Welcome to the first post of the London Community News.

The LCN is a fortnightly (Or so) e-mail that contains a brief summary
of the London based open source community groups and their activities
for the month ahead and any major open-source events. If you have any
suggestions for the mail or know of a group that you'd like to get
added to this please drop me a note at [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The User Groups:
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London Perl Mongers
Home Page: http://www.london.pm.org
Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We are a group who are dedicated to the encouragement of all things
Perl-like in London.

Its a busy month this month for the London PMer's, in addition to the
monthly meeting on the 1st of February
(http://london.pm.org/WhatDo.shtml) with guests Mark Jason Dominus
(Perl luminary) and Beginning Perl author Simon Cozens there is the
bi-monthly technical meeting featuring Matt Sergeant of axkit fame
(http://www.axkit.org/) on Thursday 22nd February and on the 26th of
February Damian Conway, author of Object Orientated Perl and the slave
of Perl mongers everywhere (http://yetanother.org/damian/) will be in
London to say hi and scare people with his Quantum::Superpositions
module.

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Lonix
Home Page: http://www.lonix.org.uk/
Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The aim of Lonix is quite straightforward although it comprises of
many points. The overall aim is to unite many Linux individuals in and
around London. Below is a list of aims, but you as a member may not
agree to all of them. (Hopefully at least one!)

Meet like minded individuals to share ideas and discuss opinions.
To provide a Linux force in London to persuade the industry to opt
for a more Linux friendly approach to their services and products.
To assist users with problems, providing advice and physical help.
Linux advocacy

For details of the monthly meetings you can look here:
http://www.lonix.org.uk/Meetings.html

This months Lonix is to be held on the 1st of February. Details of the
location have not yet been confirmed but can be found at
http://www.lonix.org.uk/Meetings.html nearer the date.

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GLLUG
Home Page: http://gllug.linux.co.uk/

Greater London Linux User Group's (GLLUG) purpose is to bring together
London's Linux users so they can share experiences and expertise (or
revel in their inexperience and quest for expertise), to chat about
the state of the (Linux) world, that sort of thing.

We try to arrange meets so that there is space for users to set up
their equipment, so you are welcome to bring your kit along, either to
go through the problems you are having or just to show off what you
are up to.

There are no formalities to attending a GLLUG meeting, no subscription
or entry fees, you can just turn up on the day. We welcome and
encourage new and inexperienced users, young and old.

Due to the high turnout GLLUG meetings are less frequent than the
other user groups, you can get notification of the next meeting either
on the home page or through this mail :)

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SAGE-WISE
Home Page: http://www.sage-wise.org/
Map: http://www.sage-wise.org/lecture/directions.html

SAGE-WISE is the System Administrators Guild for Wales, Ireland,
Scotland and England, hence the "-WISE" suffix. Our aim is to form a
professional association for system administrators in the UK and
Ireland.

But what is a system administrator?

Professional system administrators, however, often look after large
numbers of computers and networks - they are the people who keep the
systems running, repair faulty discs, install and debug new software,
upgrade existing systems, and generally take care of the computing
resources needed for their users to perform their tasks effectively. A
shorter definition is "A system administrator is one who manages
computers not solely for his or her own use". If you know the joys and
frustrations of this then feel free to come and visit one of our
meetings.

This months SAGE-WISE meeting is on Tuesday 13th February and is held
at the Eisai Lounge, University College London, LONDON WC1.
(Directions and a map are available from the homepage.)

The host of this months discussion is James Hobson (Server-Side J2EE
developer and Linux guru) leading a BoF (informal discussion) entitled
The Battle of the Scripting Languages a BoF (informal discussion)
covering the various scripting languages available for web-page
generation (jsp, asp, perl, etc.).


Outside London Events:
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This month sees the Open Source  Free Software Developers' Meeting
(http://www.osdem.org) on February 3-4 in Brussels, Belgium. Among the
speakers are Fydor, creator of Nmap (www.insecure.org), Renaud
Deraison (Nessus), Richard Stallman (FSF), Werner Koch (GnuPG), Jeremy
Allison (Samba), Philippe Biondi (LIDS and kernel security), Rasterman
(Enlightenment), and Wichert Ackerman (Debian).

A delegation may be leaving from London comprising of GLLUG and Lonix
members so if your interested in 

Re: London Community News 30/01/00

2001-01-30 Thread Greg McCarroll


LCN

much kudos to Dean for this , it is a fucking wonderful idea


-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Fwd: [uri@sysarch.com: free copy of data munging with perl]

2001-01-30 Thread DJ Adams

On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 09:15:31PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
 Yes. I've actually got a copy of this fine book lying in my bedroom
 right now. An actual book! Hardcopy! Not on the screen! Let's buy
 Dave a drink or two ;-)

Yay - got mine too. 

Three cheers for Dave! Well done that man.

dj



Re: Meeting Reminder

2001-01-30 Thread Leon Brocard

Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:

 Conveniently close to Cynthia's Cyberbar.

No, please god, no! Can't we just try and forget this excuse for a
bar?[1]

Leon

[1] Which may be handy in the "I need a weird bar which is bound
to be empty, and, oh, by the way, how about a robotic barmaid
too?" sense
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/

... Don't try to outweird me, three-eyes!