Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall

2001-02-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Piers Cawley wrote: Hmm. I assume group is cheaper, though. Well, of the list, I'd be surprised if that many dropped out, and I had stupidly forgotten Grep's interest, so that takes us up to 12. Which may be enough to guarantee a group. Aah,

Forwarded : ChineseWall Job External Mail Re: Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall

2001-02-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
remember boys and girls, mind your p's q's or get your mail archived ... - Forwarded message from 'WLG-FAX-01_ChineseWall_Demon'@williamslea.com - X-Authentication-Warning: mccarroll.demon.co.uk: Host [127.0.0.1] claimed to be localhost X-Lotus-FromDomain: WILLIAMSLEA From:

Re: Forwarded : ChineseWall Job External Mail Re: Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall

2001-02-13 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 09:15 13/02/2001 +, you wrote: three guesses what happened when i forward its own message containing the sh*t word to the list ;-) Ok, ok, I'm sorry ! Yet another piece of junk from our mail admin team. The irony being that they deliver it anyway ! Having now got this nice new email

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

2001-02-13 Thread Matthew Robinson
[ Editors note I have changed the attachment its contents can be found at http://www.gellyfi.sh/stuff/torridirections.pdf /J\ ] Here you go, directions to Torrington. The address is: Torrington Interactive 2 Printing House Yard London E2 7PR Printing House Yard is on the junction of Old

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

2001-02-13 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:50:40PM +, Matthew Robinson typed: Here you go, directions to Torrington. The address is: Torrington Interactive 2 Printing House Yard London E2 7PR http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=533478Y=182733A=YZ=1 Printing House Yard is on the

In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Simon Wilcox
Good morning all, This is a plea for help. Here is the situation: Over the last year I have been building an intranet type site based on Linux/Apache/MySQL/mod_perl. This is delivered via the internet, suitably authenticated (mod_perl/LDAP) and encrypted (mod_ssl), as most of our 1,700

Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall

2001-02-13 Thread Steve Purkis
Mike Jarvis wrote: David H. Adler wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:32:08PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: When looking at cost, remember what hotel rates in NYC are like (almost as bad as London). You can easily pay US$250/night for a room that you would swear is in a crack

Re: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
This is all fine but there is a big cloud. We have a new IT manager who wants to bring all development into one team and use a single toolset for web based applications. why dont you just track both projects for a while and get some results about the current productivity of both teams, say

Re: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Dave Cross
At Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:12:47 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all fine but there is a big cloud. We have a new IT manager who wants to bring all development into one team and use a single toolset for web based applications. why dont you just track both projects

Re: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 11:12 13/02/2001 +, you wrote: This is all fine but there is a big cloud. We have a new IT manager who wants to bring all development into one team and use a single toolset for web based applications. why dont you just track both projects for a while and get some results about the

Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall

2001-02-13 Thread James Powell
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 08:48:36AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Piers Cawley wrote: [snip] but american hotels are so much better ... they have those giant 3-person size beds, almost all of them have minibars, decent showers and the staff

Re: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: this is the sort of analysis that IT managers should be good at Emphasis on *should* as opposed to *are* . /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk

RE: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Jonathan Peterson
This is a plea for help. Here is the situation: [situation snipped] My belief is that the LAMP type route provides a very cost effective, portable and scalable solution but I concede that bigger backends are needed for volume transaction systems. Funnily enough I am about half way through

Re: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: this is the sort of analysis that IT managers should be good at Emphasis on *should* as opposed to *are* . hey i was trying to put it in a nice way -- Greg McCarroll

RE: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Ian Brayshaw
Is there any benchmarking available of salary bands for differing skills, i.e. are perl guys much more than ASP guys who can also do the other bits ? Any other arguments I should be making ! Yeah, Perl people cost more than ASP people and they're frickin impossible to find, and vary

Re: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This is a plea for help. Here is the situation: [situation snipped] My belief is that the LAMP type route provides a very cost effective, portable and scalable solution but I concede that bigger backends are needed for volume transaction

RE: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 11:48 13/02/2001 +, you wrote: [snip] As one of the requirements listed was content management you can through in the BBC, especially the interactive telly division. Heck, they even gave a presentation at YAPC::Europe. Does anyone know if that presentation is available online anywhere

Re: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 11:48 13/02/2001 +, you wrote: [snip] As one of the requirements listed was content management you can through in the BBC, especially the interactive telly division. Heck, they even gave a presentation at YAPC::Europe. Does anyone

VA?

2001-02-13 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Anyone have an opinion on VA? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire

Re: In defence of Perl

2001-02-13 Thread James Powell
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:16:57PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: [snip] As one of the requirements listed was content management you can through in the BBC, especially the interactive telly division. Heck, they even gave a presentation at YAPC::Europe. they

Testing .. but not as I know it

2001-02-13 Thread Robin Szemeti
Rightio ... since its a Tuesday and also a waning 3/4 moon its *New Methodology Day* and the random choice from Big Ted's bookcase was XP::Installed to wit, testing of object based modules. Firstly what do people generally use for this? Test::Unit ?? or is there something more freindly out

Re: VA?

2001-02-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 01:24 PM 13.2.2001 +, you wrote: Anyone have an opinion on VA? Virginia's nice but I like Massachusetts better. Too close to both AOL ground zero American political hell ground zero

Re: VA?

2001-02-13 Thread Struan Donald
* at 13/02 17:07 + Jonathan Stowe said: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Struan Donald wrote: *and* they have blue LEDs :) Well that doubles the price for starters :) ah, but everyone loves blue LEDs struan

Re: VA?

2001-02-13 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, you wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Struan Donald wrote: *and* they have blue LEDs :) ( find blue LEDs on http://rswww.com/ if you dont believe me) I seldom order from spammers. try http://www.farnell.com -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or

Re: Testing .. but not as I know it

2001-02-13 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, you wrote: to wit, testing of object based modules. Firstly what do people generally use for this? Test::Unit ?? or is there something more freindly out there? Test::Unit *almost* does the right thing, but looking through the code there are some horrible things