DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross

(this is dangerously close to spam, but I know there's a certain amount of
interest here :)

Just spoke to the local distributors about the availability of DMP in
Europe. Here are the bullet points:

* There are currently 100 copies in Europe.
* Another (larger) shipment from Manning ended up in Singapore somehow! They
will return at some point in the next week.
* The large Charing Cross Road bookshops (Foyles, Blackwells, Waterstones)
should all have 3 or 4 copies now.
* Amazon had (we think) 10 copies. Don't know how many they've sold.
* PC Bookshop were one of the unlucky stores whose supply went to Singapore.
Check again in two weeks.
* The person who told the PC Bookshop that it would be in stock in July was
quoting from a very old list (July 2000 was the original planned release
date).
* I will hopefully have copies of DMP and OOP to give away on Monday night.

Cheers,

Dave...
[still posting from Acxiom as the list is still eating mails I send from my
dave.org.uk webmail]

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Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Mark Fowler

 Perl t-shirt ideas

=pod

=head1 Bad Perl T-Shirt Ideas

Sorry.

=head2 perl related

 * "My other t-shirt has a camel on it"
 * "I know perl" "Show me"
 * "If you programmed in perl you'd be home by now"
 * "You don't have to be mad to program perl, but it helps"
 * "95% of cats prefer programming perl over any other language"
 * "Perl.  There is no a."
 * "mod_perl.  It's not a quake add on.  It's more fun than that" 

=head2 lpm related

 * "London.pm: we  camels"
 * "I want a PONY!", on the back (("PONY"x10)."\n")x40

=head2 joke within a joke (PIMB ref)

 * "#! perl is my programming language of choice"
 * "#! perl is my itch" (preferably in the same blue, same font)
 * "Smack my perl up"
 * "Muttley is a Arsehole"  (let's see Randall complain about that)
 * "I blame Wistow for *everything*"

=head2 random

 * "XP programmers do it in pairs"
 * "This is not a credit or debit card"
 * "Just another local who happened to be in your holiday photo"
 * "If you lived here you'd be like all the other voices"
 * Front: "Why?" Back: "Why not?"
 * On front and back "humorous slogan on other side"
 * "This is a t-shirt.  There are many like it.  But this is mine"
 * on the back "Stop following me"

=head2 and finally

 #!/usr/bin/perl

 $shop = undef;
 {
  local $shop = {}; $this = $shop;
  local @people = residents; for (@people) {$this-{$_}=\$PreciousThings;}
 }
 print HERE $shop-{You};

 $shop-{You}-touch if defined($shop-{You})
 
=cut

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Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens

On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:53:24PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
  We've been talking about t-shirts on irc, and I think we should try
  to get some ideas together[1]. Some thoughts to start you off:
  Pony::Pony
 Only if it has the open sourced code of the module on the back :)

I think Mr Clamp has been doing initial development on this, but
has not yet released his code.

Michael



Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:34:06AM -, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 * There are currently 100 copies in Europe.
 * Another (larger) shipment from Manning ended up in Singapore somehow! They
 will return at some point in the next week.
 * The large Charing Cross Road bookshops (Foyles, Blackwells, Waterstones)
 should all have 3 or 4 copies now.
 * Amazon had (we think) 10 copies. Don't know how many they've sold.

There are two copies here. I *think* they both came from amazon.

Michael



RE: DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross


From: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 February 2001 10:46

 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:34:06AM -, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  * There are currently 100 copies in Europe.
  * Another (larger) shipment from Manning ended up in Singapore somehow!
They
  will return at some point in the next week.
  * The large Charing Cross Road bookshops (Foyles, Blackwells,
Waterstones)
  should all have 3 or 4 copies now.
  * Amazon had (we think) 10 copies. Don't know how many they've sold.
 
 There are two copies here. I *think* they both came from amazon.

I don't know what disturbs me more - my books being sold by Amazon or my
books
being bought by III :)

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GnuPG::Interface CGI

2001-02-22 Thread James Powell

GnuPG::Interface seems to screw with CGI.pm, as it
grabs stdin  stdout through GnuPG::Handles.

You end up getting repeated output in the browser.

I don't suppose anyone else has combined the two,
and even better come up with a solution?


jp

ps - these t-shirt suggestions are reminding me of harry enfield
 loadsamoney "shut your mouth and look at my wad" 80s shirts!






Re: GnuPG::Interface CGI

2001-02-22 Thread Steve Mynott

James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 ps - these t-shirt suggestions are reminding me of harry enfield
  loadsamoney "shut your mouth and look at my wad" 80s shirts!

What about "Larry says Relax"?

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Re: Fwd: MacWorld Tokyo Keynote Report

2001-02-22 Thread James Powell

G4 "tit" Powerbook?

[insert joke]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 11:18:10AM +, Neil Ford wrote:
 For anyone interested.
 
 Neil
 
 
 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:48:59 +
 To: lmug-talk-yahoogroups.com
 From: Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Tokyo Keynote Report
 Cc:
 Bcc:
 X-Attachments:
 

[snip]

 finder toolbar is customizable
 Pre-load will begin July when a larger number of apps are available
 
 G4 Tit Powerbook
 Final Cut Pro runs 60% faster than on the G3 powerbook
 compared it to the Sony Vaio Z505VR/K
 



Re: Fwd: MacWorld Tokyo Keynote Report

2001-02-22 Thread Steve Mynott

James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 G4 "tit" Powerbook?
 
 [insert joke]

It's the Thinkpads with the nipples...

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Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, you wrote:
  Perl t-shirt ideas

  * "Muttley is a Arsehole"  (let's see Randall complain about that)

See Randal complain about that .. you'll see me complain about that.

 ... I mean .. people will laugh and mock us  how could you ..  it
should be "Muttley is an Arsehole"  .. I dunno, such poor grammar these
days :))

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The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Mark Fowler

  ... I mean .. people will laugh and mock us  how could you ..  it
 should be "Muttley is an Arsehole"  .. I dunno, such poor grammar these
 days :))

No, just poor typing I'm afraid.

This would only work however if Simon printed and distributed the
T-shirts ;-)

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Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread Robert Shiels


 I don't know what disturbs me more - my books being sold by Amazon or my
 books
 being bought by III :)

 Dave...

I want to buy a book "Code" by Charles Petzold.

streetsonline - not available
whsmith 12.45 + 2.74 = 15.19 delivery 1-2 weeks
bol.com 12.59 + 2.95 = 15.54 delivery 3-7 days
pcbooks 13.99 + 3.50 = 17.49 next day delivery
amazon 11.13 + 2.75 = 13.88 dispatched within 24 hours

And the Amazon website has a good review of the book, and several comments
by other people who have bought it, whereas the other sites have no details
at all. No one I've found matches Amazon's service and price for books, if
the others want to compete online they are going to have to do much better.

I boycotted Amazon for a while, and stopped being an Associate, but found I
was buying less books because they were too expensive and hard to get. So I
guess I'm back to them again now.

/Robert




Amazon (was: RE: DMP Availability)

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross


From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 February 2001 11:59

 I want to buy a book "Code" by Charles Petzold.
 
 streetsonline - not available
 whsmith 12.45 + 2.74 = 15.19 delivery 1-2 weeks
 bol.com 12.59 + 2.95 = 15.54 delivery 3-7 days
 pcbooks 13.99 + 3.50 = 17.49 next day delivery
 amazon 11.13 + 2.75 = 13.88 dispatched within 24 hours

 And the Amazon website has a good review of the book, and several comments
 by other people who have bought it, whereas the other sites have no
details
 at all. No one I've found matches Amazon's service and price for books, if
 the others want to compete online they are going to have to do much
better.

Well no-one's saying you can't use the Amazon site to get reviews and info
about a book :)

 I boycotted Amazon for a while, and stopped being an Associate, but found
I
 was buying less books because they were too expensive and hard to get. So
I
 guess I'm back to them again now.

Since I gave up Amazon, I've found myself going into bookshops more.
Browsing in a bookshop is still _by far_ the best way to buy books.

And I end up buying more books. Because for each book that I got into the
shop looking for, I find another two that seem really interesting. Amazon's
"readers who bought this book..." feature really doesn't achieve the same
thing.

Dave...

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Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Richard Clamp

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:43:10AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:53:24PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
  On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
   Pony::Pony
  Only if it has the open sourced code of the module on the back :)
 
 I think Mr Clamp has been doing initial development on this, but
 has not yet released his code.

Okay, it's pre pre alpha, it does nothing, and it's not even an
very good way of doing the nothing it does.

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#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use Pony;
print "Wanna = ", Pony::-new-wanna(), "\n";


 Pony.pm


Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:24:46PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
  I think Mr Clamp has been doing initial development on this, but
  has not yet released his code.
 Okay, it's pre pre alpha, it does nothing, and it's not even an
 very good way of doing the nothing it does.

Perhaps a sourceforge project to allow open collaboration? :)

Michael



Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Richard Clamp

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:27:07PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:24:46PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
  Okay, it's pre pre alpha, it does nothing, and it's not even an
  very good way of doing the nothing it does.

I haven't even recieved this mail yet - hmmm.

 Perhaps a sourceforge project to allow open collaboration? :)

Or the london.pm server, on which we could do straight cvs, or even
install the lumbering beast that is sourceforge.

I nominate dadadodo as the pumpking for this.

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Re: t-shirts

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:29:45PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
 Or the london.pm server, on which we could do straight cvs, or even
 install the lumbering beast that is sourceforge.
 I nominate dadadodo as the pumpking for this.

I think he should collaborate with dipsy.

Michael



Re: Amazon (was: RE: DMP Availability)

2001-02-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:06:32PM -, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Since I gave up Amazon, I've found myself going into bookshops more.
 Browsing in a bookshop is still _by far_ the best way to buy books.
 
 And I end up buying more books. 

That's the problem!

-Dom



Re: Amazon (was: RE: DMP Availability)

2001-02-22 Thread Aaron Trevena

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Since I gave up Amazon, I've found myself going into bookshops more.
 Browsing in a bookshop is still _by far_ the best way to buy books.

AOL
 
 And I end up buying more books. Because for each book that I got into the
 shop looking for, I find another two that seem really interesting. Amazon's
 "readers who bought this book..." feature really doesn't achieve the same
 thing.

/me spent 100 quid on books last weekend in skoob books, PC bookshop and
Books etc (walked from goswell road to charing cross street where I spent
another 30 quid on prints and postcard prints, via holborn - quite
pleseant walk as the city and its outskirts are nice and quiet at the
weekend).

A.

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Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Richard Clamp

This is very off-topic, but it's too late now :)

I have a B registered Sierra to get shot of[1], no tax, no mot, runs
(though right now the battery is very flat)

Any takers?  Email me off-list.

[1] As I now have an old old camper van :)

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Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 This is very off-topic, but it's too late now :)
 
 I have a B registered Sierra to get shot of[1], no tax, no mot, runs
 (though right now the battery is very flat)
 

Why not turn bits of it into a robot wars entry? We could use a London.pm
entry.

-- 
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Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Dave Thorn

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 02:30:00PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  This is very off-topic, but it's too late now :)
  
  I have a B registered Sierra to get shot of[1], no tax, no mot, runs
  (though right now the battery is very flat)
  
 
 Why not turn bits of it into a robot wars entry? We could use a London.pm
 entry.

have you *seen* the car?! :)

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Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson

Class::DBI looks groovy. Does anyone know why it might not be?

And on a related note, I'm a'hunting for junior to middle [Li]*nuxy
sysadmin bods for a shoreditch type web design company 'table tennis
table in the office' type gig.

Any suggestions please send my way or talk to me this evening.




Jonathan PetersonIdeas Hub Ltd
(t) +44 (0)20 7487 1310
www.ideashub.com
 



Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Richard Clamp

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:33:45PM +, Dave Thorn wrote:
 have you *seen* the car?! :)

Shush, I'm trying to get rid of it :)

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Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dave Thorn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 02:30:00PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   This is very off-topic, but it's too late now :)
   
   I have a B registered Sierra to get shot of[1], no tax, no mot, runs
   (though right now the battery is very flat)
   
  
  Why not turn bits of it into a robot wars entry? We could use a London.pm
  entry.
 
 have you *seen* the car?! :)
 

yip - we are sure to beat that team that always enters with the ``aerospace''
grade materials with our armour made from the beaten side panels of a rusty
sierra



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Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 02:30:00PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  This is very off-topic, but it's too late now :)
  
  I have a B registered Sierra to get shot of[1], no tax, no mot, runs
  (though right now the battery is very flat)
 
 Why not turn bits of it into a robot wars entry? We could use a London.pm
 entry.

Ponybot?

-Dom



Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Dave Thorn

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:35:13PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:33:45PM +, Dave Thorn wrote:
  have you *seen* the car?! :)
 
 Shush, I'm trying to get rid of it :)
 

that's what I mean.  It's great, it'd crush all the competition and
spoil the series for everyone else.
/backpedalling furiously

/msg richardc how was that?

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Re: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread Michael Stevens

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:31:42PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 Class::DBI looks groovy. Does anyone know why it might not be?

Doesn't work in 5.004_04. This may be a problem in some situations.

Michael



Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:35:13PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:33:45PM +, Dave Thorn wrote:
  have you *seen* the car?! :)
 
 Shush, I'm trying to get rid of it :)

Does it still have a washing machine stuck in the back?

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RE: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 February 2001 14:38

 * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Any suggestions please send my way or talk to me this evening.

 is there a meeting this evening?

This is a troll, right? You wouldn't really waste the list's time asking
questions that could be answered far more easily by checking the web page,
would you?

Dave...

p.s. Matt Sergeant's AxKit talk. Tonight. 7:30pm. Torrington Interactive.

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RE: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg McCarroll

 
 is there a meeting this evening?

http://penderel.state51.co.uk/




Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:35:13PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
  On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:33:45PM +, Dave Thorn wrote:
   have you *seen* the car?! :)
  
  Shush, I'm trying to get rid of it :)
 
 Does it still have a washing machine stuck in the back?
 

a few turns in that will _clean up_ killalots act!

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RE: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 February 2001 13:46

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg McCarroll
  
  is there a meeting this evening?
 
 http://penderel.state51.co.uk/

AKA http://london.pm.org (probably easier to remember :)

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Re: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread Greg McCarroll

* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 You wouldn't really waste the list's time asking
 questions that could be answered far more easily by checking the web page,
 would you?
 

sorry for the waste of time - i'll get back to my discussion about
changing richard's sierra into a lean mean robot killing machine

 Dave...
 
 p.s. Matt Sergeant's AxKit talk. Tonight. 7:30pm. Torrington Interactive.
 

of course, i just thought today was a thursday between the 22nd and the 1st


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Re: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 02:55:50PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 of course, i just thought today was a thursday between the 22nd and the 1st

Eh?  Is there something special about the first?

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Re: Car giveaway

2001-02-22 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  This is very off-topic, but it's too late now :)
 
  I have a B registered Sierra to get shot of[1], no tax, no mot, runs
  (though right now the battery is very flat)
 

 Why not turn bits of it into a robot wars entry? We could use a London.pm
 entry.


I'm definitely up for that Gig - who wants to be the Robot Wars Pumpking ?

/J\
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Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread Philip Newton

Dave Cross wrote:
 Ah. An idea. I'll send a test to the list and cc you and me, so that 
 we can see what's going on. In fact, I'll do it with this mail.

Looks fine from over here. Here are the headers, in case you're interested:

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Testing - please ignore

2001-02-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah. An idea. I'll send a test to the list and cc you and me, so that 
 we can see what's going on. In fact, I'll do it with this mail.

Bugger! Why did that work.

This test doesn't have any CCs.

Apologies if this _does_ get thru to the list, but in the long run it'll
be worth it as you'll get less of those irritating Acxiom disclaimers :)

Dave...



Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:32:39 + (GMT), Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  Dave...
  [still posting from Acxiom as the list is still eating mails I send 
  from my dave.org.uk webmail]
 
 I havent seen any bounces from the list here ... What ails you Dave ?

Hmmm that _is_ weird then. Everything that I've sent to the list
in the last week or so from this webmail account has failed to appear
on the list. Mails have got thru to individuals and other lists without
a problem.

Unfortunately, as it's a very primitive webmail (written by me) it
doesn't store the outgoing mails, so I can't see what I'm doing 
wrong.

Ah. An idea. I'll send a test to the list and cc you and me, so that 
we can see what's going on. In fact, I'll do it with this mail.

Cheers,

Dave...



Re: Fwd: MacWorld Tokyo Keynote Report

2001-02-22 Thread Natalie Ford

At 11:31 22/02/01, you wrote:
James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  G4 "tit" Powerbook?
 
  [insert joke]

It's the Thinkpads with the nipples...

No, sorry to be a spoilsport, but tit is short for titanium, in this instance...




No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Philip Newton

Someone brought up the possibility of the domain name london.pm. I wanted to
know whether that was possible. .pm stands for St. Pierre et Miquelon, which
belongs to France (if I'm not mistaken, that's two small islands off the
coast of Canada), and AFNIC, the French NIC, is responsible for .pm. So I
asked them whether it's possible to register a domain in .pm for
non-residents, and got back the following answer:

 Le .pm n'est pas encore ouvert; nous ne connaissons pas
 encore les regles pour avoir un .pm mais il sera gere par
 l'AFNIC. L'AFNIC gere seulement le .fr pour le moment.

For non-frog-speakers, Babelfish offers the following translation:

 The pm is not yet open; we do not know the rules yet to have
 a pm but it will be managed by the AFNIC. The AFNIC manages
 only the fr for the moment. 

So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(

But maybe in the future![1]

Philip Newton

[1] Though when I poked around a little, it appears to be a little involved
to obtain a .fr domain for non-residents of France. And it has to be applied
for through a French ISP (or an international ISP that operates in France as
well)[2]. AFNIC charges the ISP 39 EUR or 18 EUR for creation of the domain
name (depending on the plan they chose) and 15 EUR annually, so prices
direct from ISP will be no lower than that. Apparently, individuals are
encouraged to register under .nom.fr since
http://www.nic.fr/english/register/charter.html says .fr is for "French
companies with SIREN/SIRET number".

[2] A list is at http://www.nic.fr/cgi-bin/conv ; it says 969 total.

-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Richard Clamp

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
 So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
 
 But maybe in the future![1]

Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.

Don't start holding your breath just yet.

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:12:23 +, Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
  So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
  
  But maybe in the future![1]
 
 Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
 tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
 Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.
 
 Don't start holding your breath just yet.

IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
level domains with only two characters :(

Silly registrars. Silly rules.

Dave...



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 04:12:23PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
  So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
  
  But maybe in the future![1]
 
 Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
 tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
 Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.

At the time, it was French government policy to not let their colonies
use their TLDs and instead force them all to use .fr.  That seems to
have changed in the last few months.

 Don't start holding your breath just yet.

I was causing some trouble over this very recently*.  And with some success!
Whilst AFNIC will continue to run the registry, they will be allowing
registrations 'soon'.  They are currently consulting the people of .pm to
establish the rules the registry will operate under.

* - which involved the islan's ISP, a couple of other .pm businesses and
community groups, and a plan to approach ICANN and have the domain taken
away from AFNIC on the grounds that they were not properly administering
it.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

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Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Leon Brocard

Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether:

 Someone brought up the possibility of the domain name london.pm.

On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/

Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/

... "Bother," said Pooh as the brakes went out!



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Philip Newton

Leon Brocard wrote:
 On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/

Wow. I especially like the second paragraph. It seemed like an exercise in
"how many times can we fit the words qw[Paris France Perl] into three
sentences". But the final sentence appears to bear them out :-)

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-22 Thread Philip Newton

Dave Cross wrote:
 IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
 but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
 level domains with only two characters :(

You could try pm.org. Oh, wait, you've already got that ;).

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.