Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:

 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
  So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
 
  But maybe in the future![1]

 Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
 tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
 Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.


I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the islands ISP ...
I actually think that it was worse than that - people had been using the
.pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about it and stopped them.  Mind
this kind of behaviour is a feature of all aspects of France's
administration of its overseas territories not just internet domain
registration.

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Paul Mison

On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:

IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
level domains with only two characters :(

But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the
police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy.
Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is
probably the shortest possible UK web server address.)

Full list, courtesy Robin and IRC: perform dig @ns1.nic.uk uk axfr on
your Unix box of choice.

Silly registrars. Silly rules.

Some registrars are sillier than others.

--
:: paul
:: join us in creating excellence





Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: "Leon Brocard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/
 
 "Il y a davantage que l'one-way pour le faire"
 
 Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? If anyone does,
 take a video camera and post it. You'd need a PhD in chemistry or work for
 Pixar to get fireworks like that :-)

i'm not sure if its just a glue language, i think there is some sort
pig latin thing going on as well ;-)



-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
 but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
 level domains with only two characters :(
 
 But organisations as diverse as the British Library...

Perl users apparently.


-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
  -



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:15:27AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:06:07AM +, Paul Mison wrote:
  On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:
  IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
  but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
  level domains with only two characters :(
  But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the
  police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy.
  Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is
  probably the shortest possible UK web server address.)
 
 That's for legacy reasons, IIRC.

There's still a lot of suckage there.  Do our beloved[1] leaders really
need:

gov.uk
govt.uk
parliament.uk

?

And I think that national-engineering-laboratory.uk is taking the piss,
too.

-Dom

[1] *choke*



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Philip Newton

Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the 
 islands ISP ...

SPMcable?

 I actually think that it was worse than that - people had 
 been using the .pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about
 it and stopped them.

Which probably explains the number of IP addresses in links on
http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/ . One of the IP addresses resolves
backwards, for example, to spm.pm, but this address doesn't resolve
forwards.

But how could they use .pm without AFNIC's consent? Isn't it they who feed
the root servers which enable people to do a DNS query on the .pm zone?

There was also a site I looked at where someone was complaining about the
deplorable state of Internet connections that appear to prevail there.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:
  
  IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
  but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
  level domains with only two characters :(
  
  But organisations as diverse as the British Library...
 
 Perl users apparently.
 
as are the people behind the OED IIRC

thats a nice little advocacy idea  

a ``word association'' concept where you start out with something like
the british library (perl users), go to OED (perl users) i.e. library - 
dictionary and so on, until we get a long list of people who use perl
but in a neat relationship sequence

thats the sort of silly game we could almost get published on www.perl.com,
so who can go next 

British Library
Oxford English Dictionary




-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



linux kernel

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll


You know Linux is becoming far to good when 
 you learn about new architectures by looking at the kernel source.

There i was innocently getting ready to do a 2.4.2 build this morn
when i happened to glance in arch/ and found cris, wtf is cris
i thought to myself it turns out i already new about the systems
(etrax from axis) but still its a shock to see something in arch
you don't recognise.

Last time i looked was 2.3.37 with this .

[gem@scully linux-2.3.37]$ ls arch/
alpha  arm  i386  m68k  mips  ppc  sh  sparc  sparc64

and now .

[gem@buffy linux-2.4.2]$ ls arch/
alpha  cris  ia64  mipsparisc  s390   sh sparc64
armi386  m68k  mips64  ppc s390x  sparc

they are busy little beavers in the linux kernel community (although
i believe some of this is roling stuff in the main distro for 2.4,
although i could be wrong)

Greg

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: linux kernel

2001-02-23 Thread Philip Newton

Greg McCarroll wrote:
 There i was innocently getting ready to do a 2.4.2 build this morn
 when i happened to glance in arch/ and found cris, wtf is cris
 i thought to myself it turns out i already new about the systems
 (etrax from axis) but still its a shock to see something in arch
 you don't recognise.

Ooh, isn't that the architecture used by the author of "Porting gcc for
idiots" (or similar)? I had a look at that because I'm very vaguely
contemplating getting a C compiler to MMIX (Knuth's pseudo-assembly language
that will replace MIX).

I'd need to get an enormous supply of tuits, and probably a compiler book or
two, but who knows.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: linux kernel

2001-02-23 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:40:08AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 [gem@scully linux-2.3.37]$ ls arch/
 alpha  arm  i386  m68k  mips  ppc  sh  sparc  sparc64

You know that shell coders have gone too far when they have their own
kernel architecture.

-Dom



Re: linux kernel

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:40:08AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  [gem@scully linux-2.3.37]$ ls arch/
  alpha  arm  i386  m68k  mips  ppc  sh  sparc  sparc64
 
 You know that shell coders have gone too far when they have their own
 kernel architecture.
 

also before anyone points out the time setting on my laptop, i've
decided now i'm not going to change it as it will be right again
in a few weeks

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote:

 Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? 

ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little
horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds.  it is amusing to make
thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. 

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:18:02 +, Amias Channer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello All ,
 
 I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact 
 with the illustrious London.pm , so here I am .
 Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the 
 page .

The Bath - London exodus continues :)

Hello Amias, welcome to London.

The only frequently asked questions on this list are "Is Buffy sexier
than Willow?" (answer "of course not, don't be so bloody stupid!",
"can I have a pony?" (answer "maybe") and "whose round is it" (answer
"muttley's").

Hope that helps!

Dave...

p.s. Hope to meet you on Monday night at the Conway Lecture.



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Neil Ford

Hello All ,

I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the
illustrious London.pm , so here I am .
Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page .

Toodle-pip
Amias

London.pm FAQ

Question: Why?
Answer:   Because Dave Told Us To

Question: Anything else?
Answer:   http://london.pm.org

:-)

Meil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Yet Another Computer Solutions Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: The Last Post.....

2001-02-23 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote:

 It might be a while before I get down to London for more meetings, much
 to my annoyance as I was looking forward to meeting Damian Conway again,

i am driving down on Monday afternoon, to do the Conway ting  and
returning late that night ... if you wanna lift lemme know

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:18:02 +, Amias Channer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello All ,
  
  I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact 
  with the illustrious London.pm , so here I am .
  Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the 
  page .
 
 The Bath - London exodus continues :)
 
 Hello Amias, welcome to London.
 
 The only frequently asked questions on this list are "Is Buffy sexier
 than Willow?" (answer "of course not, don't be so bloody stupid!",
 "can I have a pony?" (answer "maybe") and "whose round is it" (answer
 "muttley's").

although i may disagree with the first, i don't wish to comment. however
there are more important questions ...

Q. When are social meetings?
A. On the day after the first wednesday of the month.

Q. What do I say If I am arrested for anything connected with London.pm?
A. Dave Cross told me/us to do it.

Q. Who collects spam and rice?
A. Dave C.

Q. What should I drink?
A1. TVRs
A2. Lots

Q. What is a TVR?
A. Tequilla, Vodka and Redbull.

Q. What is good to eat at the local curry house?
A. Chicken Chilli Massala.

hth

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:18:02AM +, Amias Channer wrote:

 I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the
 illustrious London.pm , so here I am .
 Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page .

All your questions will be answered at http://dave.told.us.to

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced

** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **

 PGP signature


Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Amias Channer

I'd go for willow , it's a hippy thing .

Toodle-pip
Amias


 The Bath - London exodus continues :)

 Hello Amias, welcome to London.

 The only frequently asked questions on this list are "Is Buffy sexier
 than Willow?" (answer "of course not, don't be so bloody stupid!",
 "can I have a pony?" (answer "maybe") and "whose round is it" (answer
 "muttley's").

 Hope that helps!

 Dave...

 p.s. Hope to meet you on Monday night at the Conway Lecture.




Re[2]: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Mike Jarvis

Friday, February 23, 2001, 12:40:19 PM, grep wrote:

Just the FAQs

Q: What is the best way to protect and add value to domestic felines?
A: Gold plate

-- 
mike





Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-23 Thread pmh

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
 Unfortunately, as it's a very primitive webmail (written by me) it
 doesn't store the outgoing mails, so I can't see what I'm doing 
 wrong.

Why call it "ms-webmail"? Makes it sound like MicroSoft wrote it.

Also, you're just copying the References: header from the message you're
replying to, when you should be appending its Message-id: too. If you're not
going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: header in, so threading
algorithms work properly. (Well, threading algorithms which aren't broken,
like mine, which manages to put the same message in the thread tree multiple
times under conditions known only to itself)

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I washed a sock.  Then I put it in the dryer.
 When I took it out, it was gone."
-- Steven Wright



Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-23 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:50:44AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Also, you're just copying the References: header from the message you're
 replying to, when you should be appending its Message-id: too. If you're not
 going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: header in, so threading
 algorithms work properly. (Well, threading algorithms which aren't broken,
 like mine, which manages to put the same message in the thread tree multiple
 times under conditions known only to itself)

JWZ has a good discussion on threading algorithms:

http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html

-Dom



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:52:52AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:30:13AM +, David Cantrell wrote:

  All your questions will be answered at http://dave.told.us.to
 
 Someone seems to have mis-spelled "TVR" as "beer".

Ye gods!

The webmaster has been taken out and shot.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced

** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **

 PGP signature


Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-23 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 23 Feb 11:50:37 2001 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
  Unfortunately, as it's a very primitive webmail (written by me) it
  doesn't store the outgoing mails, so I can't see what I'm doing 
  wrong.
 
 Why call it "ms-webmail"? Makes it sound like MicroSoft wrote it.

That's semi-intentional. My company is called Magnum Solutions so we
have as much right to use the initials as Microsoft. It amuses me that
my Perl doodlings might be mistaken for Microsoft software.

 Also, you're just copying the References: header from the message 
 you're replying to, when you should be appending its Message-id: too. 

Hmm... thought I was doing that. I'll check the code tonight.

 If you're not going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: 
 header in, so threading algorithms work properly. (Well, threading 
 algorithms which aren't broken, like mine, which manages to put the 
 same message in the thread tree multiple times under conditions known 
 only to itself)

Or, I suppose, I could do both. OR would that break stuff?

Cheers,

Dave...



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Amias Channer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 I'd go for willow , it's a hippy thing .
 

can't i even persuade your vote away from the cult of willow for any of 
the following

Cordelia
Dru
Darla
Evil Vampire Willow
The teacher who turned out to be a praying mantis

well, come on Amias you know it makes sense, move away from the
evil cult of willow and step into the light?


-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:50 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 * Amias Channer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  I'd go for willow , it's a hippy thing .
  
 
 can't i even persuade your vote away from the cult of willow for any 
 of the following
 
   Cordelia
Airhead

   Dru
Dead Airhead

   Darla
"Small Blonde" (And dead. Or alive. Or something!)

   Evil Vampire Willow
Doesn't count - same person

   The teacher who turned out to be a praying mantis
Too long since I watched that episode.

 well, come on Amias you know it makes sense, move away from the
 evil cult of willow and step into the light?

And how come you left off your list the two women that might just sway
my vote away from Willow - Anya and Jenny Calendar.

Dave...



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread jduncan

On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 02:08:25PM +, Struan Donald wrote:
 * at 23/02 15:08 +0100 Philip Newton said:
  Michael Stevens wrote:
   Question: 8uffy or willow?
   Answer: a controversial issue on which no consensus has yet 
   been reached.
  
  That's because some people just won't see the light :-)
 
 TMTOWTDI surely?

Must refrain from saying what came to mind... grrr!

--james.

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RE: No http://london.pm/ :-(

2001-02-23 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote:
  From:   Robin Szemeti [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? 
 
  ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little
  horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds.  it is amusing to
  make thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. 
 
 There's a sweet irony in describing English as a global Lingua Franca...
 particularly given the sensitivities of our Gallic brethren - quite galling
 for them I'm sure :-)

hmm .. what .. err .. I was just trying to get to use the words horse,
hoof and boils down just because someone mentioned French
and glue in the same sentence .. if you are trying to construct some sort
of reasoned argument out it .. well ... ok .. I'll give it a go ;))

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: Class::DBI + job posting

2001-02-23 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, you wrote:

 sorry for the waste of time - i'll get back to my discussion about
 changing richard's sierra into a lean mean robot killing machine

of course in my 'other' persona I've already been there and done (or at
least was involved in) that ... the major problems are the rules (which
are designed to make sure you don;t actually hurt the house robots) and
the rules (which are also designed to makes sure all the really kewl
weaponry is illegal, no flame throwers, harpoon guns etc). Lastly the
rules are a bit of a problem too, on telly it looks like an 'anything
goes' open combat stuation .. in reallity its very tightly
administrated and designed not to let you kill and mutilate the house
bots, and  make you look good on telly.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Philip Newton

Dave Cross wrote:
 At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:50 +, Greg McCarroll 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Cordelia
 Airhead

Arrogant, too. IMO.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 And how come you left off your list the two women that might just sway
 my vote away from Willow - Anya and Jenny Calendar.
 

because i havent completed my training as a fully fledged fanboy and
hence cannot write complete lists at a drop of a hat ;-) 

besides Anya/Anyanka has looked a bit grim in the past - especially when 
she was still a demon

but she's no longer immortal and is just finishing up her now mortal
existance (i guess that means the demon was kill -1'd ;-) )

god i'm glad its friday so i can regain some sanity

Greg


-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



RE: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Matthew Jones

 Cordelia
  Airhead
 
 Arrogant, too. IMO.

Being a 8uffy refusenik, I'm a little confused by this conversation. Do you
think there might be any websites about 8uffy of Sarah Michelle Gellar out
there that I can trawl for info? I know it's a long shot.

Hem. :)

-- 
matt jones
'You will not know where we have struck until you have fallen.'



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Dave Cross wrote:
  At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:50 +, Greg McCarroll 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cordelia
  Airhead
 
 Arrogant, too. IMO.
 

have you folks never seen Angel?

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:31:25 +, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Dave Cross wrote:
   At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:50 +, Greg McCarroll 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cordelia
   Airhead
  
  Arrogant, too. IMO.
 
 have you folks never seen Angel?

Sure I've seen him. 

Moody. Dead. Male.

I just don't think we'd be a good match :)

Dave...



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Amias Channer wrote:

 Hello All ,

 I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the
 illustrious London.pm ,

voice type="mr T"Crazeee Fool/voice

so here I am .
 Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page .

The FAQ is "Buffy, Diesel Cans, TVRs".

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-23 Thread pmh

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:53:24 +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 JWZ has a good discussion on threading algorithms:
 
 http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html

Thanks very much. From a quick skim, that looks somewhat similar to the scheme I've 
come up with through trial and error. However, I currently allow empty containers at 
any point in the tree which isn't a leaf, and which doesn't only have one empty 
container child. I'll look through it in detail when I haven't just been getting 
annoyed with my own algorithm so much.

Actually, the biggest problem I have with threading is Gtk's behaviour. When you 
double click on a CTree branch, it toggles the expansion state, which is highly 
annoying. I can untoggle it in most cases, but that can result in strange scrolling, 
leading to weird selections being left behind. Also, if it's an empty container being 
double clicked, I want to display the first real message, but that prevents me from 
untoggling the branch, somehow.

I guess it would be a good idea to word-wrap message bodies, too...

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vagueness is one of those things...



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Dave Cross

At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:28:28 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[ FAQs and (even better) answers ]

/me applauds heartily

 (oooh, someone could collect these and put them on the web page)

OK. If anyone else wants to add stuff to the list, I'll edit them 
together and put them on the web page in the not too distant future.

Dave...



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Philip Newton

Mark Fowler wrote:
 Q. Oooops I missed a load of posts.  Are there any archives?  
 A. Yes.  http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/
 
 Q. This stuff is archived?  How do I stop this happening?
 A.  please someone fill this in 

There's not a whole lot anyone can do to stop this happening, is there
really?

Options that come to mind are:

- don't post to the list, then nothing you write will be archived

- unsubscribe the archivebot, archive@jab.org (IIRC), from the list, be
forging an unsubscription

- lobby Jonathan Stowe to unsubscribe the archivebot

- hang Philip Newton who subscribed the archivebot to the list in the first
place

- just accept the status quo.

Is there anything else? (Note that most suggestions will not prevent anyone
from (a) archiving the list themselves or (b) re-subscribing
mail-archive.com's archivebot or, indeed, any other archivebot to the list.)

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: The Conway Lecture

2001-02-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

"Andy Wardley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Actually, on a related, but wildly off-topic matter, does anyone know if
 there's any known relationship between the Plank length and c?

I do know that the plank is always marginally shorter than the alcove
you're trying to build shelves into...

HTH

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire
  -



Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-23 Thread pmh

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:01:31 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
 At Fri, 23 Feb 11:50:37 2001 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
   Unfortunately, as it's a very primitive webmail (written by me) it
   doesn't store the outgoing mails, so I can't see what I'm doing 
   wrong.
  
  Why call it "ms-webmail"? Makes it sound like MicroSoft wrote it.
 
 That's semi-intentional. My company is called Magnum Solutions so we
 have as much right to use the initials as Microsoft. It amuses me that
 my Perl doodlings might be mistaken for Microsoft software.

I'd forgotten the name of your company. Makes sense now, and I appreciate the joke.

  If you're not going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: 
  header in, so threading algorithms work properly. (Well, threading 
  algorithms which aren't broken, like mine, which manages to put the 
  same message in the thread tree multiple times under conditions known 
  only to itself)
 
 Or, I suppose, I could do both. OR would that break stuff?

Of course not, that's what you're supposed to do. I just stick In-reply-to: on the end 
of References: unless it was already there.

All I need is some decent (ie. existent) documentation, and I might be ready to 
release this thing.

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I did Modula-2 at university but I didn't inhale



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 03:28:28PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:

 Q. This stuff is archived?  How do I stop this happening?
 A.  please someone fill this in 

The usual way is to add an X-No-Archive header.  It is, however, entirely
up to archivers whether to honour that request.  As a random example, my
own archiver does not*.  In general, you should assume that anything you
say on the net will be archived by someone somewhere.  If you don't mean
it, don't say it.

* - don't worry, my archive is password protected

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced

** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **

 PGP signature


T-shirts for Monday

2001-02-23 Thread Neil Ford

This isn't a question about any possible plans to produce a new 
tshirt design for Monday :-) but rather

Are we going to try and get as many PIMB tshirts in the audiance for 
Monday? We could even get a photo with Damian?

Thoughts?
Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Yet Another Computer Solutions Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: T-shirts for Monday

2001-02-23 Thread Neil Ford

Neil Ford wrote:

  This isn't a question about any possible plans to produce a new
  tshirt design for Monday :-) but rather

Place said they couldn't do it in time. That doesn't rule out
Prontaprint though :)

Oh well, some other time maybe (for YAPC::Europe?).

  Are we going to try and get as many PIMB tshirts in the audiance for
  Monday? We could even get a photo with Damian?

I'll bring the 8 or so I have left as well.

Excellent. We should probably present one to Damian.

Neil.

-- 
Neil C. Ford
Yet Another Computer Solutions Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Mark Fowler

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 I wibbled:
  (oooh, someone could collect these and put them on the web page)
 
 OK. If anyone else wants to add stuff to the list, I'll edit them 
 together and put them on the web page in the not too distant future.

Q: What do I do with all this cash that I've got left over after hiring
   someone from the list and not having to pay recruiters fees?
A: When people hire people from the list they normally donate 500 usd to 
   1000 usd (depending on the role) to YAS (http://www.yetanother.org/)

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-23 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 That's semi-intentional. My company is called Magnum Solutions so we
 have as much right to use the initials as Microsoft. It amuses me that
 my Perl doodlings might be mistaken for Microsoft software.
 
On that note, in the javaworld it is the idea that you name your classes
starting with your domainname reversed. So com.shell.Business.RipofPrice.Petrol
etc. Microsoft has taken to naming their java stuff com.ms.* 

Guess who owns ms.com? 

That's right, and we are *not* inclined to sell it to them. They tried 
though. :-) 

Cheers,
-- 
Merijn Broeren | Sometime in the middle ages, God got fed up with us 
Software Geek  | and put earth at sol.milky-way.univ in his kill-file.
   | Pray all you want, it just gets junked.



Off the grid.

2001-02-23 Thread Mark Fowler

Right, that's it.  I've had enough.

I'm off the 'net for little over a week - I'm trying an experiment to see
what happens if I don't use a computer for a week.   This is a sanity
recovering exercise.  I'll let you know what happens.

See you at the meetings.  Those of you that I've arranged to do stuff, call
me about it, okay?  

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re: DMP Availability

2001-02-23 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Merijn Broeren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 Guess who owns ms.com? 
 
On checking who was first, I did a 

whois microsoft.com

What can I say but :

MICROSOFT.COM.WHOIS.RESULTS.MAKE.A.GREAT.HUMOUR-LIST.COM

DNS grafitti, who would have thought...
-- 
Merijn Broeren | Sometime in the middle ages, God got fed up with us 
Software Geek  | and put earth at sol.milky-way.univ in his kill-file.
   | Pray all you want, it just gets junked.



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread brianr

Marcel Grunauer writes:
  This London.pm strategy is known as "embrace and extend" aka "mark and sweep".
  

Are you sure that shouldn't be Sooty and Sweep?


-- 
Brian Raven

I suppose you could switch grammars once you've seen "use strict subs".  :-)
 -- Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:


 Michael Stevens writes:

 Question: pony?
 Answer: pony pony pony.
 
 Question: 8uffy or willow?
 Answer: a controversial issue on which no consensus has yet been reached.

 Also a point of note might be that

 We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt
 to service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile.

 This London.pm strategy is known as "embrace and extend" aka "mark and sweep".


Mark and sweep, garbage collection, joke rattles head  :

   "If Java's garbage collection is so good then why doesnt it delete
the program file upon execution"

/J\
-- 
Jonathan Stowe   |
http://www.gellyfish.com |   I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk   |




Re: Greetings

2001-02-23 Thread Leon Brocard

Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether:

 A: When people hire people from the list they normally donate 500 usd to 
1000 usd (depending on the role) to YAS (http://www.yetanother.org/)

By the way, I'd just like to announce that Emap has donated 500 squid
to YAS. This may have happened before we were all made redundant and
after Aaron was hired. Way to go Leo!

Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/

... Oh goody! Another Muranium Explosive Space Modulator!