Re: Scalar Context vs List Context

2001-03-15 Thread Struan Donald

* at 14/03 10:37 -0500 Dave Cross said:
 ... and how much trouble you can get in for not knowing the difference:
 
 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/13/208259

the best thing about this is the number of links to this story that
give the impression the kids were arrested for not knowing the
difference rather than the consequences thereof. i think even
some of the more unforgiving of us would agree that it'd be a bit
harsh if it was the case.

not useing strict on the other hand...

struan



Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12

2001-03-15 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 10:06:16PM +, Dominic Mitchell typed:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
 Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream
For the unenlightened, please consult the standards document:
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc1437.html

Actually, I think the precursor is at
http://www.illuminated.co.uk/humour/Beer.html

Roger



Re: Matt's Scripts

2001-03-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 It is indeed lovely.  Although you don't need to do tunnelling magic:
   rsync -options -e ssh source-list me@myserver:/destination

rsync is a wonderful beast. The -a and -z options, accompanied by
--progress (if they're big files) and --delete (for true mirroring).



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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12

2001-03-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:39:12PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
   Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream
  Isn't that what happens in the bogs of Penderels Oak?
 Is it just me who has noticed the similarities between
 the bogs of Penderels Oak and the TARDIS?
 
 Yes. Definitely. Just you. None of the rest of us has noticed anything
 odd at all.
 
 (phew)

I always forget to take the axe before I go to cross the bridge
though. And getting hte plover's egg is a nightmare.

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Re: Silliness

2001-03-15 Thread Mark Fowler

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 but that wouldn't work on Win32 platforms as they seem to insist on double 
 quotes to delimit command arguments.

Speak for yerself, I use bash on my windoze box ;-)

Later.

Mark.

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   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
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Re: Silliness

2001-03-15 Thread Dave Cross

At Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:52:07 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 
  but that wouldn't work on Win32 platforms as they seem to insist on 
  double  quotes to delimit command arguments.
 
 Speak for yerself, I use bash on my windoze box ;-)

Ok. I guess I meant:

"...but that wouldn't work under the default command interpreter on 
Win32 platforms as COMMAND.COM seems to insist on double quotes to 
delimit command arguments."

Better?

Dave...



Re: Silliness

2001-03-15 Thread Simon Wilcox

Thanks everyone.

That exposes my lack of familiarity with the q  qq operators ;-)

Another little bit of learning learned.

S.




New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

2001-03-15 Thread Dave Cross


Well, sort of. It's a repacking of some existing stuff - a second
edition of the Perl CD Bookshelf http://www.ora.com/catalog/perlcdbs2/

Looks like the contents of the new edition is:

* Programming Perl, 3rd Edition
* Perl for System Administration
* Perl in a Nutshell
* Perl Cookbook
* Advanced Perl Programming

Compare to the old edition which had:

* Perl in a Nutshell
* Programming Perl, 2nd Edition
* Perl Cookbook
* Advanced Perl Programming
* Learning Perl
* Learning Perl on Win32 Systems

What would _you_ have included?

Dave...



Re: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

2001-03-15 Thread Neil Ford

Well, sort of. It's a repacking of some existing stuff - a second
edition of the Perl CD Bookshelf http://www.ora.com/catalog/perlcdbs2/

Looks like the contents of the new edition is:

* Programming Perl, 3rd Edition
* Perl for System Administration
* Perl in a Nutshell
* Perl Cookbook
* Advanced Perl Programming

Compare to the old edition which had:

* Perl in a Nutshell
* Programming Perl, 2nd Edition
* Perl Cookbook
* Advanced Perl Programming
* Learning Perl
* Learning Perl on Win32 Systems

What would _you_ have included?

Dave...

As a Perl novice I'd have to say the old version looks much better. 
Just replacing Programming Perl would have been enough.

If anyone does decide to 'upgrade' I'd be interested it taking their 
old copy off their hands.

Neil.
-- 
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Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company
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Re: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

2001-03-15 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, you wrote:
 Well, sort of. It's a repacking of some existing stuff - a second
 edition of the Perl CD Bookshelf http://www.ora.com/catalog/perlcdbs2/
 
 Looks like the contents of the new edition is:
 
 * Programming Perl, 3rd Edition
 * Perl for System Administration
 * Perl in a Nutshell
 * Perl Cookbook
 * Advanced Perl Programming


 What would _you_ have included?

 * Perl for System Administration
 * Programming the perl DBI

and although its not oreilly ;) 
  'What you need to know' chapter 2 from OO Perl (Conway) cos that one
chapter replaces pretty much all of learning perl in 1/10 of the
verbosity. .. and ideally the whole book :)

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



RE: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

2001-03-15 Thread Matthew Jones

 As a Perl novice I'd have to say the old version looks much better. 
 Just replacing Programming Perl would have been enough.

As another person at an early stage in my Perl self-development, I'll second
this, and add that I'd like to add the Owl book on regexps, although I
suppose that's not strictly perl-specific enough to go on the perl cd
bookshelf? And "Programming the Perl DBI", which I find very handy.

I got my copy of the Perl CD Bookshelf because it included books that
provide a reference for just about every stage of development.

-- 
matt jones



Re: [boring] Statistics

2001-03-15 Thread Simon Wistow

David Cantrell wrote:
 
 Quick question for any statisticians out there:
 
 Does this look like it should be modelled with a Poisson distribution to
 you?  This data represents the number of logins on a workstation per hour.

Don't think so, there's too much of a dip at 11:00 and 14:00



An enquiry

2001-03-15 Thread Clarke, Darren
Title: An enquiry





If this is anappropriate for this list the please accept my apologies.


Is anyone looking for an experienced web designer who is looking to pick up Perl and run with it?


Regards,


Darren Clarke
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





XML One London

2001-03-15 Thread pmh

Is anyone going to XML One London next week? I'll be there until Wednesday,
but the Thursday didn't look any use to me.

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Ok, print the message, then put it in your shoe and put your shoe in front
 of the fireplace... then wait till Santa come and give the code to you ;-)
 Hey! this is not mod_santa list !"
-- Fabrice Scemama on the mod_perl list



Re: Version control

2001-03-15 Thread Jim Gillespie

 From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  But there are alternatives.  Does anyone here have any comments on
  Perforce or Clearcase?  Needless to say, both companies have crap
websites
  with no useful documentation and a tonne of marketing arse.
 
 i hated clearcase, but i have a feelign one of our team was using
 it in a ``creative'' manner, almost all VCS' suck when they are
 used in any unusual way 

I know who you're talking about.  And I'll bet he just loves
Quantum::Superpositions :-)

It took me quite a while to get the hang of ClearCase but I was growing to
like it by the end of my time at Level3 (time to leave...).

Does ClearCase work with anything but Solaris?  I was talking to my current
boss and he reckons it needs a patched kernel in order to do funky stuff
with the file system.

My main beef with CVS (and ClearCase) is that there doesn't seem to be any
way to access the release string programatically - I can tag all my source
as "FOO_R1-0" or whatever, but I can't tell from within the source that it
has been so tagged.  Unless someone knows different?

Jim



Re: Version control

2001-03-15 Thread Roger Burton West

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:45:34PM -, Jim Gillespie wrote:

My main beef with CVS (and ClearCase) is that there doesn't seem to be any
way to access the release string programatically - I can tag all my source
as "FOO_R1-0" or whatever, but I can't tell from within the source that it
has been so tagged.  Unless someone knows different?

You can get the _numeric_ version tag with $Version: $ (or whatever it is),
in CVS at least, but I assume you already knew that.

You can't have the symbolic tag, because it's entirely possible to have
more than one symbolic tag applying to the same version of the source
code - say, the large static module that's not in a part of the tree that's
being worked on very much...

Roger



Re: Version control

2001-03-15 Thread Simon Cozens

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:45:34PM -, Jim Gillespie wrote:
   But there are alternatives.  Does anyone here have any comments on
   Perforce or Clearcase?  

Use Perforce. It's very good.

 It took me quite a while to get the hang of ClearCase but I was growing to
 like it by the end of my time at Level3 (time to leave...).

Use Perforce. It's very good.

 Does ClearCase work with anything but Solaris?  I was talking to my current
 boss and he reckons it needs a patched kernel in order to do funky stuff
 with the file system.

Use Perforce. It's very good.

 My main beef with CVS (and ClearCase) is that there doesn't seem to be any
 way to access the release string programatically - I can tag all my source
 as "FOO_R1-0" or whatever, but I can't tell from within the source that it
 has been so tagged.  Unless someone knows different?

Use Perforce. It's very good.


-- 
"It's God.  No, not Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvalds, but God."
(By Matt Welsh)



Re: Version control

2001-03-15 Thread David Cantrell

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:45:34PM -, Jim Gillespie wrote:

 Does ClearCase work with anything but Solaris?  I was talking to my current
 boss and he reckons it needs a patched kernel in order to do funky stuff
 with the file system.

I know it works with NT (yeah, OK).  What's worrying is that I hear that
Rational are concentrating development on NT as well, which is obviously
a Bad Thing.

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