Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Andrew Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In Iceland they append 'son' for sons and 'dottir' for daughters - hence Magnus Magnusson is the son of Magnus, whilst Sally Magnusson would, in Iceland at least, be Sally Magnusdottir. I used to work with an Icelandic chap who told me that the Rekjavik

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:18:05 +, celia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote: / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :) But... why?? Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be free). You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please. Yeah.

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Mark Fowler
On 2001, Mar, 22, Thu, Cross, Dave wrote: Now with added pointy and clickyness. Now with added Ludditeness. Dave. Luddite n 1 : any opponent of technological progress [syn: {Luddite}] 2: one of the 19th century English workman who destroyed labor-saving machinery that they thought would

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be free). You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Andy Williams
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Oh, it's not me - it's the environment I'm currently working in. Dave... [not a Luddite] I can vouch for that REALLY bad environment!! Andy [Not a Luddite either]

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dean
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:45:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please. Yeah. Now use that when you only have telnet access to your development system :-/ Not even an ssh connection? Now with added pointy

Re: Linux.com

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:08:30AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Anyone have any experience of these events? I've done a couple, one for devshed.com and one for someone else. I forget. Is it worth getting involved. It doesn't hurt, but it is a *leetle* bit of a waste of time. And boy, you get

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote: You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978 -- use POSIX;e(1);sub

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At 22 Mar 2001 09:02:31 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Simon Cozens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 March 2001 10:33 Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote: You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. The most effective debugging tool is still careful

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:09:19AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Not sure they can even spell 'ssh' here :) Let me explain the set-up. I have a PC running Win95. I access a number of IBM AIX machines using putty. When I first joined, I asked about the possibility of getting Exceed installed, but

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :) But... why?? Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this list? The answer to both is that I'll only post if I have something useful to contribute, and seeing as I'm new to

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:36:01AM +, Dean wrote: Wait till Activestate get their IDE's out for Linux It's already out, I thought. Needs Perl and Python and all sorts of bits and pieces installed. -- People who love sausages, respect the law, and work with IT standards shouldn't watch

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978 Still my debugger of choice for most languages, my code is littered with commented debug print statements. well .. yes .. and no

Re: Falco!

2001-03-22 Thread Ian Davis
Umm. Sorry everyone for not checking who I'm sending mail to. Ian

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Robin Szemeti" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 March 2001 12:03 Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Hamlet D'Arcy
From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small projects... But what about those times where you are handed a folder

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:55:49PM -, Hamlet D'Arcy wrote: From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread DJ Adams
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:45:20PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: [1]slight simplifiction, but pretty much true, if there are any other SAP people here :-) /me just manages to resist going on and on about SAP's debugger dj "eee, it was much better in the 80s"

Debian question ...

2001-03-22 Thread David Cantrell
is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for dpkg et al don't say anything useful. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david The voices said

Re: Debian question ...

2001-03-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell typed: is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for dpkg et al don't say anything useful. To make a local

That book

2001-03-22 Thread Clarke, Darren
Title: That book What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago? The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at the February social meeting? Regards, Darren Clarke Neophyte [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago? The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at the February social meeting? It was "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread Philip Newton
Simon Wilcox wrote: Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination 02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY in US, DD-MM-YY in UK, possibly YY-MM-DD in Japan). Cheers, Philip --

RE: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Clarke, Darren
Title: RE: That book At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, Clarke, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago? The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at the February social meeting? Dave Cross replied:

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread Philip Newton
Robin Houston wrote: use POSIX 'strftime'; print "The date is ", strftime("%m-%d-%y", localtime()), "\n"; Or, for those who want to type even less, strftime accepts a '%D' format specifier on at least some platforms, which does %m/%d/%y for you (which is probably used more widely than

RE: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:53:12 -, "Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months = ago? The one where the author emailed a reply which was

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:56:16 +0100, Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Houston wrote: use POSIX 'strftime'; print "The date is ", strftime("%m-%d-%y", localtime()), "\n"; Or, for those who want to type even less, strftime accepts a '%D' format specifier on at least some

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread Philip Newton
Redvers Davies wrote: and if you don't have a last name??? I have three friends who are surnameless... their credit cards have a "." as a surname because the bank computers couldn't handle a lack of surname. An example from the Perl world: Gurusamy Sarathy. His name is Sarathy, and

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 05:51:40PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination 02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY in

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 17:51 22/03/2001 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination 02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY in US, DD-MM-YY in UK,

RE: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Clarke, Darren
Title: RE: That book Dave wrote: Well, it's still on the Waterstones site atm, but I'd appreciate it if you could lose it. It's part of a kind of deal that we struck. She agreed to listen to my suggestions if I stopped slagging her off in public :) My current target is Open Source Linux

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:05:11PM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: I'm guessing that the author of Date::MMDDYY went for dashes rather than slashes because the string was going to be used in a filename. I never had a problem with it using dashes, just with everything else. I emailed the author

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-22 Thread Philip Newton
Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: BTW - I've just had some fun trying to uncompress a .zip file on Linux! tar gzip and gunzip don't seem to want to know. Guess that makes me a luser! you need the unzip(1) Which, according to its home page at

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:19:27PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Robin Szemeti wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: BTW - I've just had some fun trying to uncompress a .zip file on Linux! tar gzip and gunzip don't seem to want to know. Guess that makes me a luser! you need

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

2001-03-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:27:51PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:19:27PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: [unzip] Which, according to its home page at http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html , is "the third most portable program

Re: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: bet he got his mate to write it :) I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right? Leon -- Leon

Re: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: bet he got his mate to write it :) I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable publishers don't do that

Re: Debian question ...

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell wrote: is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for dpkg et al don't say anything useful. dpkg -l -- "Life sucks, but it's better than the

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:03:02PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: But debugging tools can be very very good .. If anyone has used the Borland Turbo Debugger for C / C++ you'll know what I mean . even the old DOS version is just plain brilliant .. step around code, change registers, place watches

Re: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right? ^^ I don't understand. -- "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright

Re: That book

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At 19:01 22/03/2001, you wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right? ^^ I don't understand. I think you'll find in it the dictionary as the definition of

London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19

2001-03-22 Thread Leon Brocard
This is the ninth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the Earth, UK, London, Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-03-19: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is on Thursday 5th April: http://london.pm.org/ Cozens, Simon misparsed a phrase from