Andrew Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In Iceland they append 'son' for sons and 'dottir' for daughters -
hence Magnus Magnusson is the son of Magnus, whilst Sally Magnusson
would, in Iceland at least, be Sally Magnusdottir.
I used to work with an Icelandic chap who told me that the Rekjavik
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:18:05 +, celia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David H. Adler wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote:
/ me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :)
But... why??
Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote:
And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be
free).
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please.
Yeah.
On 2001, Mar, 22, Thu, Cross, Dave wrote:
Now with added pointy and clickyness.
Now with added Ludditeness.
Dave.
Luddite n 1 : any opponent of technological progress [syn: {Luddite}]
2: one of the 19th century English workman who destroyed labor-saving
machinery that they thought would
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote:
And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be
free).
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
Oh, it's not me - it's the environment I'm currently working in.
Dave...
[not a Luddite]
I can vouch for that REALLY bad environment!!
Andy
[Not a Luddite either]
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:45:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please.
Yeah. Now use that when you only have telnet access to your development
system :-/
Not even an ssh connection?
Now with added pointy
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:08:30AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
Anyone have any experience of these events?
I've done a couple, one for devshed.com and one for someone else. I forget.
Is it worth getting involved.
It doesn't hurt, but it is a *leetle* bit of a waste of time. And boy, you get
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with
judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978
--
use POSIX;e(1);sub
At 22 Mar 2001 09:02:31 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote:
And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens
From: "Simon Cozens" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 March 2001 10:33
Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.
The most effective debugging tool is still careful
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:09:19AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
Not sure they can even spell 'ssh' here :)
Let me explain the set-up. I have a PC running Win95. I access a number
of IBM AIX machines using putty. When I first joined, I asked about the
possibility of getting Exceed installed, but
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:
/ me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :)
But... why??
Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this list? The answer to
both is that I'll only post if I have something useful to contribute, and
seeing as I'm new to
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:36:01AM +, Dean wrote:
Wait till Activestate get their IDE's out for Linux
It's already out, I thought. Needs Perl and Python and all sorts of bits and
pieces installed.
--
People who love sausages, respect the law, and work with IT standards
shouldn't watch
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:
The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with
judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978
Still my debugger of choice for most languages, my code is littered with
commented debug print statements.
well .. yes .. and no
Umm. Sorry everyone for not checking who I'm sending mail to.
Ian
From: "Robin Szemeti" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 March 2001 12:03
Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:
The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled
with
judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978
From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me
that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great
when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small
projects...
But what about those times where you are handed a folder
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:55:49PM -, Hamlet D'Arcy wrote:
From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me
that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great
when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:45:20PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
[1]slight simplifiction, but pretty much true, if there are any other SAP
people here :-)
/me just manages to resist going on and on about SAP's debugger
dj
"eee, it was much better in the 80s"
is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are
currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for
dpkg et al don't say anything useful.
--
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david
The voices said
On or about Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell typed:
is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are
currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for
dpkg et al don't say anything useful.
To make a local
Title: That book
What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago?
The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at the February social meeting?
Regards,
Darren Clarke
Neophyte
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago?
The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at
the February social meeting?
It was "Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web
Simon Wilcox wrote:
Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion.
Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination
02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY in
US, DD-MM-YY in UK, possibly YY-MM-DD in Japan).
Cheers,
Philip
--
Title: RE: That book
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, Clarke, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago?
The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at
the February social meeting?
Dave Cross replied:
Robin Houston wrote:
use POSIX 'strftime';
print "The date is ", strftime("%m-%d-%y", localtime()), "\n";
Or, for those who want to type even less, strftime accepts a '%D' format
specifier on at least some platforms, which does %m/%d/%y for you (which is
probably used more widely than
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:53:12 -, "Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months =
ago?
The one where the author emailed a reply which was
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:56:16 +0100, Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Robin Houston wrote:
use POSIX 'strftime';
print "The date is ", strftime("%m-%d-%y", localtime()), "\n";
Or, for those who want to type even less, strftime accepts a '%D'
format specifier on at least some
Redvers Davies wrote:
and if you don't have a last name???
I have three friends who are surnameless... their credit
cards have a "." as a surname because the bank computers
couldn't handle a lack of surname.
An example from the Perl world: Gurusamy Sarathy. His name is Sarathy, and
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 05:51:40PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Simon Wilcox wrote:
Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion.
Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination
02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY in
At 17:51 22/03/2001 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Simon Wilcox wrote:
Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion.
Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination
02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY in
US, DD-MM-YY in UK,
Title: RE: That book
Dave wrote:
Well, it's still on the Waterstones site atm, but I'd appreciate it if
you could lose it.
It's part of a kind of deal that we struck. She agreed to listen to my
suggestions if I stopped slagging her off in public :)
My current target is Open Source Linux
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:05:11PM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
I'm guessing that the author of Date::MMDDYY went for dashes rather
than slashes because the string was going to be used in a filename.
I never had a problem with it using dashes, just with everything else.
I emailed the author
Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote:
BTW - I've just had some fun trying to uncompress a .zip
file on Linux! tar gzip and gunzip don't seem to want to
know. Guess that makes me a luser!
you need the unzip(1)
Which, according to its home page at
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:19:27PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote:
BTW - I've just had some fun trying to uncompress a .zip
file on Linux! tar gzip and gunzip don't seem to want to
know. Guess that makes me a luser!
you need
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:27:51PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:19:27PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
[unzip]
Which, according to its home page at
http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html , is "the
third most portable program
Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether:
bet he got his mate to write it :)
I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the
author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable
publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?
Leon
--
Leon
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote:
Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether:
bet he got his mate to write it :)
I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the
author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable
publishers don't do that
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are
currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for
dpkg et al don't say anything useful.
dpkg -l
--
"Life sucks, but it's better than the
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:03:02PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
But debugging tools can be very very good .. If anyone has used the Borland
Turbo Debugger for C / C++ you'll know what I mean . even the old DOS
version is just plain brilliant .. step around code, change registers, place
watches
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?
^^
I don't understand.
--
"They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the
Wright
At 19:01 22/03/2001, you wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right?
^^
I don't understand.
I think you'll find in it the dictionary as the definition of
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