Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread alex
easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl consultancies. once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to afford and

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, alex wrote: easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl consultancies. once you get to a particular

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: I think java is likely to be associated with a load of spectacular failures. To be fair, most of these won't be Java's fault. It's just that Java is No, they'll be the vendor JVM's fault. :) the first

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Philip Newton
Chris Devers wrote: In any event, the leading 1 is never part of the phone number, but you always have to dial it whenever making a "long distance" call. Well, I would have thought that's just splitting hairs -- is the '0' part of the number 0207 xxx is the number 207 xxx "but you

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a solution for things it clearly isn't right for. out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for inappropriate problem sapces)? -- Greg McCarroll

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Philip Newton
Neil Ford wrote: I suppose I'd be splitting hairs if I pointed out that the dialing code for London is 020, meaning numbers should be shown as 020 . Oh, all right. Thanks to Neil and Simon for the correction. I suppose this misapprehension comes partly because it *used* to be two

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:16:07PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I'd also add that Java, to my eyes, seems dreadfully uncooperative. Is it really as hard as it seems to get a non Java program to talk to j2ee stuff? Or is it all just part of the Java marketing? Is it me or is COM actually

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a solution for things it clearly isn't right for. out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for

Happy

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
I'm very happy this afternoon. I've just seen a copy of my book on a shelf in a bookshop[1]. That's the first time I've seen it in the wild. Of course, I'd have been happier if someone had been buying it :) Dave... [1] It was Books etc. at Monument if anyone wants to rush out and buy it!

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Wistow
Greg McCarroll wrote: # locally an rpc call is made to the remote package server, which creates # an object and returns the local id to the other machine That was the way I was thinking of doing it as well. Hmm, nother thing to add to the list of things to do.

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Wistow
Robin Houston wrote: A stateful server would definitely help here. It was going to be a stateful server. But stateless could be an option.

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
Is the intention simply that it be possible to use modules which aren't available locally? If so, you could do something like: - use request is passed to module server - module server "require"s module (will do nothing if it's already been required. That's a good thing) - server

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. Sounds

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-28 Thread Mark Fowler
Code I wrote to do most of what you people are talking about a couple of weeks back, loading over ssh. This does not work for non-pure perl code. i.e. XS is a no-no The idea I was using it for: a) User presses a button in the web browser b) Downloads .config.html from that directory the

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Piers Cawley
"Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The recent .com crash has had many desirable effects as well as undesirable ones, and one of these is the devaluation in hype in .com related technologies. An awful lot of the value of the big packages is based on future value - "You don't need

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Philip Newton
Simon Wistow wrote: It was origially 01 ne c'est pas? (ITYM "n'est-ce pas?") Yes, it was. I remember that time. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Philip Newton
Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Discuss. s/fuck|tits|arse//; Nonono. You want reusable components so you don't end up reinventing the wheel, badly. use Regexp::Common 'clean'; # don't muck with my $, s/$RE{profanity}//g;

JOB: non-london

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
I happen to know of a nice perl / linux admin gig in the midlands if anyone wants it ... mail me offlist if you would be so kind. -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread alex
i'm not sure this does cut both ways - if what you are saying is correct - then java's dominance becomes even more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. i don't think it's the corporates themselves who are making all the noise about java - it's an aggressive sun PR department which is latching on to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dean S Wilson
Original Message- From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. Ahh come on! We need more

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. I just couldn't do half of what I do without regexes

Re: yapc::Europe::19101?

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:38:51 +0200, Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else heard anything about yapc::Europe::19101? Yeah. Dates and venues and stuff have been announced. And there was a CFP. It's all on http://www.yapc.org/Europe/. ISTR dimly that last year around this time

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Jonathan Peterson
I quote from the MediaSurface brochure on my desk: "The Content Server is written in Perl, the de facto standard language for server-side applications on the World Wide Web." It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages interaction with its product, where does it go

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote: I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref open source) Java regex libs ? OROMatcher. http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans: http://www.cacas.org/~wes/java/ Both

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Mison
On 28/03/2001 at 13:23 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:09:37 +0100, Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [London phone codes] It was origially 01 ne c'est pas? Then it changed to 071 (Inner London) and 081 (Greater London) then it changed to 0171 and 0181 and then finally to

Re: mmm ... toys ..

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:46:43PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: nahh .. not much of a games fan .. so 3d is rather wasted on me .. but I'll keep winders (which is already annoying the F..k out of me [1]) fo rthngs like Autoroute and the like, which are actually very good .. in a windoze sort

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:59:40PM +, Greg Cope wrote: I was thinking about this the otherday - can you recommend some (pref open source) Java regex libs ? OROMatcher. http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/index.html There's also gnu.regexp, for LGPL fans:

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. I just couldn't do half of what I do without

Re: yapc::Europe::19101?

2001-03-28 Thread Philip Newton
Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:38:51 +0200, Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else heard anything about yapc::Europe::19101? Yeah. Dates and venues and stuff have been announced. And there was a CFP. It's all on http://www.yapc.org/Europe/. I know. Thing is,

Re: yapc::Europe::19101?

2001-03-28 Thread Leon Brocard
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Has anyone else heard anything about yapc::Europe::19101? No. Yes. Maybe? ;-) Well, you'll all be happy to know that we're resurrecting the old yapc::Europe mailing list[1] to give everyone a better idea of what's going on. Planning is

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:37:14PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: David H. Adler wrote: What, no CiP rating??? Well, there wasn't any Perl code included. But it should be pretty straightforward to hack the algorithm together, or might as well hijack the Convert::Base32 module for the

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:33:16 -0500, "David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:37:14PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: David H. Adler wrote: What, no CiP rating??? Well, there wasn't any Perl code included. But it should be pretty straightforward to hack the

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :) You are an evil man. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work:

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:38:16 +0100 (BST), Matthew Byng-Maddick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :) You are an evil man. You know I'm

Re: yapc::Europe::19101 (now Archive::Zip)

2001-03-28 Thread Greg Tod
Jon Galliers wrote: I have a real fear that this is a really stupid question, however I'm having real problems using Archive::Zip. Try something like: use strict; use Archive::Zip qw( :ERROR_CODES :CONSTANTS ); my $zip = Archive::Zip-new(); my $member = $zip-addFile("boris.pl");

Re: yapc::Europe::19101?

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Has anyone else heard anything about yapc::Europe::19101? No. Yes. Maybe? ;-) Well, you'll all be happy to know that we're resurrecting the old yapc::Europe mailing list[1] to give

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :) What does it do? .robin. -- Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas!

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:37:14PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: David H. Adler wrote: What, no CiP rating??? Well, there wasn't any Perl code included. But it should be pretty straightforward to hack the algorithm together, or might as well

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :) What does it do? It, er...

Re: Archive::Zip

2001-03-28 Thread Jon Galliers
cheers, sorted Try something like: use strict; use Archive::Zip qw( :ERROR_CODES :CONSTANTS ); my $zip = Archive::Zip-new(); my $member = $zip-addFile("boris.pl"); $member-desiredCompressionLevel(9); $zip-writeToFileNamed("boris.zip") == AZ_OK or die "Zip write error";

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as far as I can tell. I just couldn't do half of what I

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:09:50PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: the fuckwits at Oftel lumbered us with 01[78]1 in the first place is something of a mystery to me... Was it Oftel that made that choice or BT? I was assumed it was the lumbering ineptitude of The World's Most Evil Phone Company (to

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:52:23AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk proposes the creation

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: I reckon interperability is big, and that XML-RPC (or possibly even SOAP) will change the way we work. There's no point writing everything in one language or environment any more. Microsoft may have understood this with .NET.

Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:05:18AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:11:13PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account name during install? I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally hosed

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Chris Benson
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:29:21PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: There must have been *some* way Oftel could have made something similar work here. The people in uk.telecom were suggesting a one-off-this-will-hurt-but- it'll-only-happen-once change where the entire country moved to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages interaction with its product, where does it go for Perl? P5P? CLPM? NetThink? :) Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Chris Benson
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:04:34AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:09:50PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: the fuckwits at Oftel lumbered us with 01[78]1 in the first place is something of a mystery to me... Was it Oftel that made that choice or BT? I was assumed it was

Re: yapc::Europe::19101?

2001-03-28 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Philip Newton wrote: I'll try the yapc-europe list and see what happens. The rest, as they say, is history :) /J\

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for e-commerce, plain and simple. Why not? Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app,

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for e-commerce, plain and simple. Why not? Can Perl do distributed database transactions? Can you write stored

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of things. Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that. My favourite solution in business when you are faced

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:08:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: I reckon interperability is big, and that XML-RPC (or possibly even SOAP) will change the way we work. There's no point writing everything in one language or environment any more.

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and they say they're booked out next Thursday. ok it looks like PO .. or the anchor! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Houston
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes, establish the odd DBI connection, execute a query each return when

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok it looks like PO .. or the anchor! Anchor! Anchor! Anchor! -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I

Re: JOB: Symbian

2001-03-28 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Anyone interested in this should contact Dave Jobling directly on [EMAIL PROTECTED] And you'll get to work just a couple of yards from me! 'nuff said . /J\

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will sign up to teach to a given level of skills (or several levels). Fuck

Re: JOB: Symbian

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Anyone interested in this should contact Dave Jobling directly on [EMAIL PROTECTED] And you'll get to work just a couple of yards from me! 'nuff

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok it looks like PO .. or the anchor! Anchor! Anchor! Anchor! Hush now brother, contain thy enthusiasm, others are still not ready for the way of the heretic. We

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will sign up to teach to a

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 07:28:31PM +0100, Chris Benson wrote: it'll-only-happen-once change where the entire country moved to () - Twelve and eight digit phone numbers? So phalanxes of psychologists noting that the human brain has the magic number seven genetically

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of things. Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that.

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Chris Devers
At 12:04 PM 28.3.2001 -0800, you wrote: Anyway, the whole 'numbers' thing is long over due to be replaced by those new fangled 'letters'. Works for DNS... Yeah, exactly. We're already partly there, sort of. I don't know the phone numbers of any of the people I call at all regularly (i.e. more

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and they say they're booked out next Thursday. ok it looks like PO .. or the

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Leon Brocard
Michael Stevens sent the following bits through the ether: Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and they say they're booked out next Thursday. Michael, you're *useless*! The only reason I haven't got the weekly summary out yet is because of you being so useless. It has

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:51:10PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: I think that's what Paul was talking about. He can correct me if I'm wrong :-) Exactly what I meant :-) And Java's a whole lot better for this than COBOL, C, and other things that make you go "blech". J2EE is horribly bloated but

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in different styles. How can you evaluate this? it doesn't matter how they achieve most things, as long as they can do them ...

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes, establish the odd DBI

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs. That's mainly due to the M rather than the C. -- She said that she was working for the ABC News, It was as

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs. That's mainly due to the M rather than the C. OK, well some of

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:57:45PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow - thoughts ? Sounds a good idea. We're also happy to host it, if you want. -- "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Chris Benson
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:04:05PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 07:28:31PM +0100, Chris Benson wrote: it'll-only-happen-once change where the entire country moved to () - Twelve and eight digit phone numbers? So phalanxes of psychologists noting

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:04:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Hush now brother, contain thy enthusiasm, others are still not ready for the way of the heretic. We must consider them - they are the sheep that may prefer their 2 half pints of lager shandy in PO, and!, and if they are exposed

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 18:52 28/03/2001, you wrote: Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and they say they're booked out next Thursday. OK. Looks like it's back to the PO next Thursday then people. Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] plugData Munging with Perl

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 20:47 28/03/2001, you wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of things. Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that. My favourite

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:04:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Hush now brother, contain thy enthusiasm, others are still not ready for the way of the heretic. We must consider them - they are the sheep that may prefer their 2 half pints of

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs. *We* may look down on the qualification, cos we know it's worthless just like most other qualifications,

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:07:42PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: .. or the anchor! Where is the Anchor ? If its near LB station I'll be very up for it. Oh, it's *very* near London Bridge. It would be the ideal venue. It has nice beer,

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:19:55PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started charging for tests. Perhaps the Perl community should have an online certification program that funnels cash into the Conway Coffers? :-) No, wait, that might

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 21:57 28/03/2001, you wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:19:05PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: gellyfish@orpheus gellyfish]$ python -v snip Python 1.5.2 (#1, Aug 25 2000, 09:33:37) [GCC 2.96 2731 (experimental)] on linux-i386 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam aol excuse="mailman"

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going strong. And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer in London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started charging for tests. well I just

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 22:19 28/03/2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 21:24 28/03/2001, Simon wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:29:46PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: advantage over other databases - speed. But I wasn't allowed to upgrade to (eg) postgresql for silly reasons which I forget now. Your PHBastard called in a $200k/month Oracle DBA and you walked after the weekend to find your root

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:20:55PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: aol excuse="mailman" Python 1.5.2 (#0, Apr 3 2000, 14:46:48) [GCC 2.95.2 2313 (Debian GNU/Linux)] on linux2 My excuse was portsentry, but it sucked and I deleted it. majordomo is the one true mailing list manager, and

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:32:15PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: well I just looked ... and their script failed to find 'Perl' even though they have a test for Perl ... I hope this isn't the programming language equivalent of dot-bomb stock becoming unlisted as 'junk' on the NASDAQ... "Perl

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while back. Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers? Don't know if it still exists tho' - been quiet for a while. Nothing on

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Chris Devers
At 12:24 PM 28.3.2001 -0800, you wrote: http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going strong. Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing about them (aside from the I think reasonable assumption that they must do roughly the same things

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing about them *cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :) -- The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Dave Cross
At 22:44 28/03/2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while back. Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers? No. There was definitely a perlcert as well.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Chris Devers
At 10:49 PM 28.3.2001 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing about them *cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :) Well, yeah, I suppose. :) I just keep our

Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

2001-03-28 Thread Neil Ford
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:35:25AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:05:18AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:11:13PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account name during install? I did

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok it looks like PO .. or the anchor! Do either do real ale? L. "Take your haddock to the paddock"

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:26:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: (my pseudo-transaction scheme for MySQL is basically : .. do this and return a closure to undo it if I to .. bung the closures in an array .. if something screws up then back it all off by

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:29:21PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: The US approach (longer local numbers- everywhere is 7 digits now, prepended by a three digit 'city' code) combined with the fact there s/city/area/; NYC, for instance, has at least two area codes at this point. I notice, in

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:04:05PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: Anyway, the whole 'numbers' thing is long over due to be replaced by those new fangled 'letters'. Works for DNS... Oh @deity, let's not do that. Consider the mess the WIPO's causing now, and then think about competition for "good"

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:57:45PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow - thoughts ? Sounds a good idea. We're also happy to host it, if you want. either is ok, although once/if

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-28 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:04:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Hush now brother, contain thy enthusiasm, others are still not ready for the way of the heretic. We must consider them - they are the sheep that may prefer their 2 half pints of

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