Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-29 Thread Nathan Torkington
Simon Wistow wrote: You use the RPC::Automagic module and pass it a RPC server/port/user name/password/whatever. From that point on it overloads the use keyword and anything you try and use it will actually connect to the RPC server and pass it all the parameters. Any modules you didn't want

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-29 Thread Nathan Torkington
Greg McCarroll wrote: sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-) I'm unsure what CiP is, but if it has anything to do with gnarliness, I know that Paul wrote a 1k regexp to parse XML correctly. It only fails

Re: Hello?

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
On 28 Mar 01, at 20:52, Jonathan Stowe wrote: Well london-pm and yapc-europe are on the same server so I dont think that its going to break the internet if you post to both :) Except that it's going to be confusing if you haven't got your sorry excuse for procmail wired up right. Happened to

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: is it? ... sure you don't mean 'the database used by most large corporates for e-commerce' ? I know nothing about the spread of spend between the large coprporations and the small 5 dollar outfits .. but theres a hell of a lot of

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-) I'm unsure what CiP is, but if it has anything to do with gnarliness, CiP = Crack induced

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner. alex ps i only mention learning tree

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-29 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2001 22:12 Subject: Re: Social Meeting (fwd) At 18:52 28/03/2001, you wrote: Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and they say they're booked out next Thursday. OK. Looks like it's back to the

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the underlying table type is implemented using Berkeley DB3, which does support transactions. And that has

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for e-commerce, plain and simple. gartuitous snippage no .. it _does_ have its strong points .. I wouldn't

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:55:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination? Shouldn't that be CPH for "Certified Perl Hacker" or is that missing the point? Certified

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
depends what you want from the exercise - if you are a perl shop and want to know how good applicants are then, yes, CPH (but if you're a perl shop you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't really see the point in this. i think it should sound like a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later when

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the underlying table type is implemented

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Fowler
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too lazy? I'm too lazy.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a i think this will end up a slow process very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: that's not the point. if learning tree design a course (with the community's approval natch) that is of sufficient standard and then put on their catalogs: Advanced Perl (3 days) - 1750 GBP + VAT [preparation for PCSE exam] with a nice logo

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
James Powell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote: Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two different types of table for some reason. It's because the

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed i had thought about a 20 quid fee to be sent to YAS to help you pass, which culminate in taking

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:07 +0100, Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:35:33AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Would this be an appropriate time to point out that my TPC talk proposes the creation of a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton would be more efficient/effective than what you describe? alex On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: I think a lot of this will be about signing

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate. I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be that it parses approximate Perl. Thus making the phrase 'you can't make up any old shit and expect it to work'

Re: Social Meeting

2001-03-29 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 March 2001 09:13 Subject: Social Meeting OK. Bowing to pressure from the heretics - we'll go to the Anchor next Thursday. Never let it be said that I don't listen to the little people :) So I go home at 7pm, and when I get

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
what robert describes or what i describe? * alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton would be more efficient/effective than what you describe? alex On

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:08:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:02:39 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote: At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread Mark Fowler
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at it today. Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after the Cc: so I get a line that says Cc: X-Mailer: foo which my mail client (PINE) wants to reply

RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Well as a fairly independent person in this matter, i will volunteer to coordinate this. Unless there are any objections - i already TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in different styles. How can you evaluate this? I don't think it's a huge problem. For a

Re: Social Meeting

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 March 2001 09:13 Subject: Social Meeting OK. Bowing to pressure from the heretics - we'll go to the Anchor next Thursday. Never let it be said that I don't listen to the

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to me to be far too complicated and fragmented. i think you need a single organisation which plays the difficult balancing act of: * being

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: Can Perl do distributed database transactions? probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes, establish the odd DBI

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robin Szemeti wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from Java to make it useable for web content delivery as

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hmm... Given that big business seems to have bought some of the ideas of 'Just In Time' stock holding and delivery type stuff, maybe the time has come to start pushing Perl and open source programming as

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing),

Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Peterson
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to me to be far too complicated and fragmented. There are three main roles to this as I see it, and it's not obvious to me that they should all be

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 21:24 28/03/2001, you wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems with Perl work in london, Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to me to be far too complicated and fragmented. i think it was me that suggested this i think you need a

Suggestion - use of Subject: line

2001-03-29 Thread Andrew Bowman
Just now there are two interesting discussions going on, one about Perl certification, the other about databases, under the subject 'Re: Job: I'm looking for one..", both of which forked off from the original discussion a long while back. Can one or preferably both sets of participants please

Proposal for the certification body

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
Attached is a draft proposal As soon as JS gets a chance to set up the mailing list, i suggest me move the discussion there. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net Title: Proposal for the formation of a non-profit Perl certification body for the United

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross
At 29 Mar 2001 11:43:59 +0100, Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going strong. And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer in London. Don't expect that to

Re: Suggestion - use of Subject: line

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Andrew Bowman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Just now there are two interesting discussions going on, one about Perl certification, the other about databases, under the subject 'Re: Job: I'm looking for one..", both of which forked off from the original discussion a long while back. i've

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
Greg Cope wrote: I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor, although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to develope in, and had faster execuion

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
Paul Makepeace wrote: Can you trivially embed a perl network application in a browser? [snip] Java's favour is not *entirely* due to massive marketing pimpery. Java support in browsers didn't magically come because Microsoft and Netscape said "Hey, let's develop a Java plug-in for our

RE: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Peterson
I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to be a professional qualification for professional programmers. 300 sounds like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it be" will be the PHB's attitude, I've seen this often. Yes, you

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Paul Mison
On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape 3.0? Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I *think* IE3 also did Java, about

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote: * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a i think this will end up a slow process umm .. so long as you have

RE: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Wilcox
At 11:56 29/03/2001 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to be a professional qualification for professional programmers. 300 sounds like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it be"

Re: Suggestion - use of Subject: line

2001-03-29 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote: it'd be a big help for those trying to follow the conversation(s) if they could be differentiated by their subject lines! have you no sense of tradition ?? we've always done it this way :) .. we learnt the techniques on alt.sysadmin.recovery ... Go on, please

Re: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread alex
you hit the nail on the head. I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to be a professional qualification for professional programmers. £300 sounds like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it be" will be the PHB's attitude,

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:07:28 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate. I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be that it parses

Re: Proposal for the certification body

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: very interesting proposal. a) would like to be part of the committee (coming from the Perl employer and selling Perl consultancy perspective) Sounds great, i'm about to publish the details of the mailing list, join and nominate yourself there. your

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:07:28 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate. I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Robin Houston
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. That's exactly the problem. And what if you crash after the first COMMIT? This is not an easy problem. The usual solution is called "two-phase commit". See

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish... He heh Look what they say I got : Total Tests Completed 41233 Your Rank (1 = top) 40653 Your Percentile (99 = top): 1 Ah -

Re: Proposal for the certification body

2001-03-29 Thread alex
btw, should all of this certification body stuff subsumed by a YAS called "Perl for Business" with the aim of convincing corporates that Perl is better technology investment than Java (and achieving this, in part, by building Perl components wherever Java currently has an edge). does such a YAS

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg Cope
Philip Newton wrote: Greg Cope wrote: I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor, although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to develope

UK+ROI Perl Certification Mailing List

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
JS, has yet again set up another mailing list for us ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] its a majordomo so its: subscribe perl-cert in the body of the text to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kudos again to JS for this, greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo forum/organisation does this) Somehow I

Re: Still screwing up References: (was Re: Job: I'm looking for one..)

2001-03-29 Thread pmh
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Mark Fowler wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at it today. Actually, that message was OK. Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after

Re: Social Meeting

2001-03-29 Thread Paul Mison
On 29/03/2001 at 14:14 +0100, Natalie Ford wrote: At 11:27 29/03/01, Greg McCarroll wrote: the one -ive point is that foods expensive there, if it had the cheap food of PO it would be ideal - or even some decent pub food (hot pies etc.) I haven't been to the Anchor but cheeep foood goood!

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) It would be nice to get his backing, but I think that to do that we

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Given we can now have kanji URLs, [...] Can we now? I thought there were several different proposed schemes, but none has been officially accepted as standard. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) It would be nice

Re: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread Piers Cawley
"Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to be a professional qualification for professional programmers. 300 sounds like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it be" will be

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:26:46PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Chris Benson wrote: The people in uk.telecom were suggesting a one-off-this-will-hurt-but- it'll-only-happen-once change where the entire country moved to () - format Wouldn't that be rather wasteful?

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-29 Thread Philip Newton
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Unless you translate them to an acceptable set, which is, I believe, where domain i18n is heading. The question is in which algorithm to choose for translation. Right. Which is evil and horrid. nslookup

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No partial failure allowed, it has to either succeed completely or fail completely. Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. And I'd bemused as to how Java

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-29 Thread Chris Benson
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 02:46:48PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:23:12AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You show me a DNS server which supports kanji :-) This is a big bugbear of mine. Yes, you can register domains in

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-29 Thread Chris Benson
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:26:46PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Chris Benson wrote: () - Wouldn't that be rather wasteful? After all, population is distributed What are you wasting? Numbers? What is the cost of extra numbers? Some people in small places have to type 8

Re: CPAN Logo

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: when did CPAN get a funky new logo ... http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg H /J\

RE: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread Chris Devers
At 12:20 PM 29.3.2001 +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: If we can get the 'professional' stamp by sticking names like O'Reilly (Or Microsoft - why not?) on the certificates, and then charge less, I think that would be better. But if not, then I agree a charge (maybe more 50 than 300?!) can have a

Re: CPAN Logo

2001-03-29 Thread Paul Mison
On 29/03/2001 at 16:12 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: when did CPAN get a funky new logo ... http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg When all the #perl regulars got TiPBs [0] and got infected by the Make Things Look Nice (Macintosh Sub Version) meme? [0] TiPB =is= a Titanium Powerbook and writing

RE: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread Chris Devers
At 10:16 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, I wrote: We don't really get involved in the certification game, but rather provide software that allows companies doing such certifications to assess candidates. (Likewise, we provide software to temp agencies for similar but non-cert-related reasons.) Oops,

RE: CPAN Logo

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Peterson
when did CPAN get a funky new logo ... http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg H Indeedy. A logo that on its own gives you no idea that it has anything to do with Perl. I especially like the use of a completely new font, rather than the one used on O'Reilly books. H

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-29 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote: Yes. Either you have to translate "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy"[2] in your head or with an appropriate tool, or nslookup will have to be smart enough[1] to translate "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy" before asking the resolver library. err [1] unlikely to happen

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-29 Thread pmh
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:37:38 -0800, Nathan Torkington wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-) I'm unsure what CiP is, but if it has anything to do with gnarliness, I know

Re: Perl Auto-RPC

2001-03-29 Thread Leon Brocard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether: Here's what I use, which probably isn't what most people would think of when they hear "XML parser" Indeed. This is because it doesn't parse XML. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Chris Devers
At 04:42 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, Dave Cross wrote: O'Reilly wil like it cos they get to sell 'Perl For PCSE(stage 1)' etc .. Ooh. I think you've just given me an idea for my next book :) "Gary Numan's guide to the PCSE"... ;) -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-29 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote: Yes. Either you have to translate "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy"[2] in your head or with an appropriate tool, or nslookup will have to be smart enough[1] to translate "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy" before asking the

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton 4.46 Maurice Buxton Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well. Me four. Although they seem to have lost my score. I have a nice shiny certificate though ... Nick say's he

Re: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread Dean Wilson
I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to be a professional qualification for professional programmers. 300 sounds like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it be" will be the PHB's attitude, I've seen this often. The important

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:07:28AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate. I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Do you really think we'd get that lucky? No we get hit with the charge for a national call even though it's all in the one area code. They just divide it with codes for each area, so Belfast in 02890 whilst Lisburn is 02892. I didn't call my

Re: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dean Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to be a professional qualification for professional programmers. 300 sounds like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it be" will be the PHB's

Re: upgrading, and modules

2001-03-29 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 06:33:40PM +0100, jo walsh wrote: i'm about to upgrade state51's production server's perl and mod_perl to 5.6, and it occurs to me that 5.6.1 might be due out RSN. question is, will i have to rebuild modules built for 5.6 so they'll work with 5.6.1? I would be

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed i had thought about a 20 quid

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) Bzzt. That was to do with ANSI certification. -- "You can have my

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:45:23AM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :) ^^ What does it do? It, er... parses Perl. Strictly speaking it doesn't do anything, due to not currently existing. ooh! I though

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:25:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok it looks like PO .. or the anchor! Do either do real ale? PO has a Cask Marque and is listed in CAMRA's 2001 Good Beer Guide. So, uh, yes.

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-29 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: (Spring Cascade today at the Orange Brewery brewpub in Pimlico. Not a bad beer.) I thought you were in Wales... MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:00:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: 4.46 Nick Cleaton 4.46 Maurice Buxton Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well. Me four. Although they seem to have lost