Re: going extreme

2001-04-04 Thread Philip Newton

James Powell wrote:
 http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5424853.html?tag=lh

Cool. Where can I get me some Extreme Programming?

Cheers,
Philip, whose project[1] has a deadline today

[1] that's been running for at least six months and was supposed to be done
in November
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Philip Newton

Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:31:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  Indeed, that was just my observation on a few posts' worth. 
  Who *knows* what I might conclude about a whole day's traffic..
 
 ..that you need to put your London.pm folder on its own spanning
 compressed partition.

Heck yeah. Leon++, Leon++ for having taken on the daunting task of
summarising each week's 2GB or so of traffic.

dha, how's your "last read" mark?

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: The Open Constitution Project (was Re: Crazy Idea)

2001-04-04 Thread Philip Newton

Jonathan Stowe wrote:
 OK.  SO we persuade Mr Horne to blag us electronic copies of 
 the entire UK law, upload it to the CVS server on SourceForge
 and then announce the project on slashdot 

Hm, checkout the US Bill of Rights, edit the First Amendment to include
"free speech but no permission to send spam" and cvs update -- and spammers
will have to think of a different disclaimer.

This has potential.

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: going extreme

2001-04-04 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 James Powell wrote:
  http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5424853.html?tag=lh
 
 Cool. Where can I get me some Extreme Programming?
 
 Cheers,
 Philip, whose project[1] has a deadline today
 
 [1] that's been running for at least six months and was supposed to be done
 in November

You need a project troubleshooter...

Dave // Going for the flamethrower...




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:22:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
   Yeah, yeah drunks, skateboarders, musicians .
  ...geeks, goths, jugglers, Natscis.  And that's just me.

ex-natscis too. :)

 I raise you (at least) two accomplished unicyclists...

Doesn't that make a bicyclist?

 Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel!
 Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!"

Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm.

MBM

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Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tue, 03 Apr 2001, you wrote:
   Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you?
  maybe ...
  do the words 'I have my own field' mean anything to you ;)
 yip, but its probably not near sussex and you really don't
 want a 5 ft radius circle of charcoal left in it

Ah but would it have charcoal. That would - after all - mean we're not
burning things properly... :) Greg, you've lost your touch if you're only
producing charcoal. You need to be vapourising things... erm.

MBM

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Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

Well, it's on their website, so it must be official.

http://www.linux.com/live/calendar.phtml?item_id=30

Event: "Author Talks" Series - Data Munging with Perl
Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)

  Location: #live on irc.openprojects.net

We will have Dave Cross, the author of Data Munging with Perl talking about
his recent book and answering any questions about the book itself or some of
the subject matter. 


Tell all your friends. No heckling.

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Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Wilcox

At 02:38 04/04/2001 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Count me in. I have a tent and everything !
 

any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and
explosives

I used to use theatrical maroons (explosives with electrical detonators) to 
blow up bits of the garden.

They made very effective mines to destroy Action Men too.

Admittedly I was only 10 at the time but I think that counts as the "right" 
attitude ;-)

Simon.




Books

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross


Wanderering around Charing Cross Road last night I picked up a couple of new
Perl books, "Writing CGI Applications with Perl" by Kevin Meltzer  Brent
Michalski and "Instant Perl Modules" by Doug Sparling and Frank Wiles.

Hopefully I'll have both of them with me on Thursday so anyone interested
can have a quick browse. Don't forget that I'll also have a copy of Lincoln
Stein's "Network Programming with Perl" to give to the person who asks in
the nicest manner. As usual bribery will be perfectly acceptable, but I
think I'll bar anyone who's had a freebie book from me in the past (not that
I can remember who that is!)

Cheers,

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Re: Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Tell all your friends. No heckling.

Does that mean we can heckle but they can't?   :-)

-Dom



RE: Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32

 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  Tell all your friends. No heckling.
 
 Does that mean we can heckle but they can't?   :-)

That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling."

Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :)

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:08:09AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  I raise you (at least) two accomplished unicyclists...
 
 Doesn't that make a bicyclist?

No, trust me.

  Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel!
  Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!"
 
 Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm.

Ah yes, the Harley Hardtail Pogo-stick.

Paul



Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:37:07AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32
 
  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
   Tell all your friends. No heckling.
  
  Does that mean we can heckle but they can't?   :-)
 
 That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling."
 
 Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :)

Funnily, enough, no.  I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
grammar and I know of nobody who has.  It's actually quite annoying as
it leads to all sorts of infuriating "I know that looks right, but I
don't know why..." thoughts.  If anybody could reccomend a small grammar
reference, that would be incredibly useful.

OTOH, every foreign language I've ever learned has started with the
grammar lesson within a month.  And when I want to learn a language one
of the first things I do is reach for the BNF.

ObPerl: So which is harder to parse?  Perl or English?

-Dom



Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  *shock*
  You used the 'o' word.

 its ok, we can do the organisation as long as we have the
 greg school of organisation in play, it will basically mean
 agreeing with Dave Can. when he can take his `people carrier'
 to sussex - the announcing the weekend in advance and 
 refusing to change it.

*grin*  That sounds like an evil flan.


L.
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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 Funnily, enough, no.  I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
 grammar and I know of nobody who has.  It's actually quite annoying as

Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/

If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)

 it leads to all sorts of infuriating "I know that looks right, but I
 don't know why..." thoughts.  If anybody could reccomend a small grammar
 reference, that would be incredibly useful.

http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~cs5014/fall.95/courseNotes/WebPages/5.TechnicalCommunication/tc_2_Usage.html

Zillions on google.

 OTOH, every foreign language I've ever learned has started with the
 grammar lesson within a month.

http://www.engrish.com/

Paul



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 ObPerl: So which is harder to parse?  Perl or English?

Time flies like an arrow
Fruit flies like a banana

Parse that and stay fashionable...

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Re: Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread Greg McCarroll

* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32
 
  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
   Tell all your friends. No heckling.
  
  Does that mean we can heckle but they can't?   :-)
 
 That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling."
 
 Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :)
 

learning grammar, not be needing to

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Re: Question

2001-04-04 Thread Leon Brocard

james_h sent the following bits through the ether:

 In a (possibly vain) attempt to think ahead, I am looking for some
 info on London-based Perl jobs.  I have about 3/4 months experience
 in Perl programming, and ideally would like to stay in the city
 area.  Anyone know of some good places to start?

Well, posting to this list is always a start, although I doubt
planning far ahead will help. Come to the meeting on Thursday and ask
around then. Otherwise, monster.co.uk and jobsearch.co.uk. I guess 3
months experience in Perl programming would mean working for a
newmedia agency...

HTH, Leon
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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:17

 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  Funnily, enough, no.  I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
  grammar and I know of nobody who has.  It's actually quite annoying as
 
 Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
 mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/

Don't know if it's my slightly older vintage ('62) or the fact that I went
to a Comprehensive that still thought it was a Grammar, but I was being
taught parts of speech and verb declensions between '74 and '79.

 If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
 and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)

Agreed! And my least favourite - "I would of done it" instead of "I would
have done it".

Oh, and people who use an apostrophe to form plural's.

Dave...
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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Mark Fowler

On 4 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  ObPerl: So which is harder to parse?  Perl or English?
 
 Time flies like an arrow
 Fruit flies like a banana
 
 Parse that and stay fashionable...
 

They're both Type 0, though one *could* argue that Perl was really type 1
and the grammar is defined by a really really big C program

Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
and documented.  They're not in English.  In addition to the above
example, consider

"The British Left Waffles on Argentina"

Which requires you to know about the concepts of political persuasion,
waffling as talking at length, usage of 'on' as 'about' etc, or you end
up with some careless people leaving behind breakfast items in a far off
land...

Later.

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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  Funnily, enough, no.  I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
  grammar and I know of nobody who has.  It's actually quite annoying as
 
 Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
 mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/

Latin!  Another thing I missed out on.  No, they forced me to do bloody
woodwork.  How useful is that?  Not at all, I can tell you.  I have a
girlfriend to put up shelves for me!

 If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
 and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)

Somewhere close.  Thankfully, it's not something I have to think about
a lot^Wgreat deal.

  it leads to all sorts of infuriating "I know that looks right, but I
  don't know why..." thoughts.  If anybody could reccomend a small grammar
  reference, that would be incredibly useful.
 
 
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~cs5014/fall.95/courseNotes/WebPages/5.TechnicalCommunication/tc_2_Usage.html

Ta.

-Dom



RE: Question

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:32

 I guess 3 months experience in Perl programming would mean working for a
 newmedia agency...

ITYM "working for a newmedia agency would give you three months experience
in Perl programming (before it goes bust).

HTH, HAND.

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Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Wilcox wrote:
 At 02:38 04/04/2001 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   Count me in. I have a tent and everything !
 any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and
 explosives
 I used to use theatrical maroons (explosives with electrical detonators) to 
 blow up bits of the garden.
 They made very effective mines to destroy Action Men too.
 Admittedly I was only 10 at the time but I think that counts as the "right" 
 attitude ;-)

.. And you seemed so normal when I met you 

MBM

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Re: Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread Mark Fowler

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

 Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)

In english?

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Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Wed, 04 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tue, 03 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  
   
   Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you?
   
  
  maybe ...
  
  do the words 'I have my own field' mean anything to you ;)

true .. it is no where vaguely near sussex .. and I dont sell beer ... or
cider. 

 yip, but its probably not near sussex and you really don't
 want a 5 ft radius circle of charcoal left in it

it would go nicely with the 20 foot circle from the lorry load of pallets
we set fire to on Nov 5th :)

it has been known for the fire brigade to turn up on bonfire night as the
people down in the village  cant really believe anyone would light a
bionfire _that_ big ;)

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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:32:22AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Dave...
 [who makes lots of typos - but _knows_ they are typos]

There's nothing wrong with typos.  It's obvious that they are tyops from
the error.  It just means that the person was thinking faster than
typing and forgot the ^T key.

-Dom



use Aegis;

2001-04-04 Thread Tony Bowden


How can any of you fail to want to use Aegis now?

- Forwarded message from Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Subject: Aegis 3.25 - project change supervisor
From: Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am pleased to announce that Aegis 3.25 has been released.

http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/aegis/


* There is a new aebuffy(1) command, which may be used to
see what changes a user has outstanding.  It needs X11
(Tk/Tcl) to work.  Named after the xbuffy(1) command.

...

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RE: Linux.com Online Chat

2001-04-04 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:46

 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)
 
 In english?

8pm

Dave...

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Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Wed, 04 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 At 02:38 04/04/2001 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   Count me in. I have a tent and everything !
  
 
 any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and
 explosives
 
 I used to use theatrical maroons (explosives with electrical detonators) to 
 blow up bits of the garden.
 
 They made very effective mines to destroy Action Men too.
 
 Admittedly I was only 10 at the time but I think that counts as the "right" 
 attitude ;-)

for future refernce ... 

1) LeMaitre make some very big marroons for stage use.
2) it says they need to be in some form of container when they go off.
3) do NOT use those funny square dustbin/ashtray things (with the two
flaps of steel as a lid) as the container (see [2] above)
4) the lids on [3] are, apparently, not attached very well.
5) Members of the public attending an event do not take kindly to being
whisked off to hospital to have lumps of metal removed from their legs.

I tell you this to help you avoid long chats with staff from the local
HSE and insurance comapanies, neither of whom seem to have much 'sense of
fun' in these matters ...

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Pony!

2001-04-04 Thread David Cantrell

I've uploaded a new version of Pony.pm to CPAN.  It fixes a bug in the
scaling algorithm and also stores the original data RLE encoded, thus
cutting the size of the module from 100K to 17.5K.

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:28:24PM +0100, Dean S Wilson wrote:
 
 Stick with drunks, it'll save time. And the meetings on Thursday so
 you announced yourself just in time! ;)

I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.


Martin



Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Roger Burton West

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:38:44AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and
explosives

http://firedrake.org/roger/fireworks/

'nuff said.

R



Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Martin Ling

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 11:05:17PM -0400, Alex Page wrote:
 
 But where would we find a camping ground with a fast net connection
 and wireless LAN connections?

The bit of park that the Laurie bros' consume nodes cover?


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Dean

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:06:14AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
 for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.

Which is on a subject a lot of people on the list are interested in,
wireless networking and the Consume.net project so you might get to meet
some of this lot anyway :)

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Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Wilcox

At 11:12 04/04/2001 +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:38:44AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and
 explosives

http://firedrake.org/roger/fireworks/

ooh, ahh !





RE: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Batistoni


 Subject: Re: Crazy Idea
 marroons

We once had a nuts teacher at school who let some 12-year-old kid (whose dad
was a pyrotechnics expert) bring some of these in for a war scene in a
production. I don't know whether they were made by LeMaitre, but the large
ones were 10 inches long, with a 3 inch diameter. 2 nights out of 3, they
caught fire after exploding, and had to be stamped on by yours truly (I was
wearing combat boots, fortunately).

We then stole one of the largest ones, wedged it in a fence in the
village/housing estate crossbreed where I grew up, wrapped a large amount of
paper tape around the end, and set fire to it.

The electrical fuse rigups are supposed to control the detonation somewhat.
Setting fire to the end doesn't.

The explosion was heard at least 1/2 a mile away, and the police attended
the scene, where they were puzzled by the fence containing a large hole, and
the bits of paper and other unidentifed stuff from the casing, which was
littered everywhere like confetti.

We wanted to steal another one and put it in a dustbin, but we only just got
away with covering the first theft by judicious lying...





RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: dcross - David Cross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
 and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)

True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) here as well? .
These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn - so why they aren't taught
(or possibly aren't learnt) says something about the education system and
the attitude of the pupils therein.

Agreed! And my least favourite - "I would of done it" instead of "I would
have done it".

Also, the more subtle, but equally invidious, "When did you want to go out?"
meaning "When do you want to go out?". "How many did you want?" he said.
"Oh, I still want seven" the customer replied.

Oh, and people who use an apostrophe to form plural's.

The proverbial Grocer's Apostrophe - Tomatoe's  Potato's (or, for the full
experience, Tomato's  Potatoe's).

And anuvver fing, wot abaht thowse peehpul 'oo prefix everyfink wiv
'actual'? The actual this, the actual that.

And many, many more...




Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Wilcox

At 09:50 04/04/2001 +, Robin Szemeti wrote:

1) LeMaitre make some very big marroons for stage use.

The very brand :-)

2) it says they need to be in some form of container when they go off.

Nah. Bury them in sand for realistic WWII FX. Mwahahahaha

3) do NOT use those funny square dustbin/ashtray things (with the two
flaps of steel as a lid) as the container (see [2] above)
4) the lids on [3] are, apparently, not attached very well.

Indeed they are not. I remember that happening to me in a production I once 
worked on.

5) Members of the public attending an event do not take kindly to being
whisked off to hospital to have lumps of metal removed from their legs.

Luckily it only did minor damage to the backstage area.

I tell you this to help you avoid long chats with staff from the local
HSE and insurance comapanies, neither of whom seem to have much 'sense of
fun' in these matters ...

Miserable lot I always find but not as bad as the jobsworth fire brigade 
fire safety inspection officers I've come across.




Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Chris Heathcote

on 4/4/01 11:27 am, Simon Wilcox wrote:

 Luckily it only did minor damage to the backstage area.

I bought a supply of various flashes and explosions, but did not have a
firing box. 

Using the switch on a 4 way extension block (with a number of mains plugs to
croc clips) is probably not the safest way to fire them.

c.
(who also used to cut live mains cables with secateurs, for fun)
-- 
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  http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Martin Ling

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:14:28AM +0100, Dean wrote:
 
  I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
  for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.
 
 Which is on a subject a lot of people on the list are interested in,
 wireless networking and the Consume.net project so you might get to meet
 some of this lot anyway :)

Grrrew...okay, I'll come, but expect me to be sitting there with two
laptops hacking somewhat manically. Far, far too many things to do this
week.


Martin



London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-02

2001-04-04 Thread Leon Brocard

This is the eleventh of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-02:

Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next social
meeting is on Thursday at the Anchor on Bankside, where Dave Cross
will give away a copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming with
Perl" to the person who asks in the nicest manner. The next technical
meeting is on Thursday April 19th:
http://london.pm.org/

This week was fairly random, mainly because of April Fool's Day. I
released a silly Buffy module (which, a la Bleach, converts modules
into "BUffY bUFFY BUffY bUFFY bUfFy buffy..."), with example decss
code. Schwern released DNA ("CCAA CCAA AAGT CAGT TCCT CGCT..."), mjd
released SuperPython ("  ..."), and David Cantrell released
(late) Pony, a converter to "a lovely ASCII-art rendition of a pony".
O'Reilly broke news about Parrot, a merging of Perl and Python:
http://www.usis.usemb.se/Holidays/celebrate/april.html
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Buffy-1.00
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03743.html
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=DNA-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=SuperPython-0.91
http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/31/206248

Rather more importantly, Dave Cross pointed out that Damian Conway has
gone through the Perl 6 RFCs and guessed what Perl 6 might be
like. Nathan Torkington announced that Larry Wall has finally released
the first part of his Perl 6 plans, starting with the first
Apocalypse. Read these two articles if you want to know where Perl is
going:
http://www.yetanother.org/damian/Perl5+i/
http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/02/wall.html

London.pm hit NTK with the old pimb gag:
http://www.ntk.net/index.cgi?back=2001/now0330.txt#ANTI_NEWS

Robert Shiels asked for a good example of how to keep business and
presentation logic seperate. Dave Hodkinson replied that Template
Toolkit will help a lot. A new version of Template Toolkit came out
this week, with new features (and unfortunately some small bugs):
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03764.html
http://www.template-toolkit.org/pipermail/templates/2001-March/000786.html

Greg McCarroll, who posted far too often this week, is storming along
on the Perl Certification (see new list). He also posted
anti-Scientology rants on the list to try and get it banned, and
started a huge thread about blowing things up with "Did you all know
that i used to blow up pressurised butane cannisters as a child?". He
also suggested organising a camp out with cider, a camp fire, drinking
and talking (or maybe a cottage in Wales):
http://lists.perl.org/showlist.cgi?name=perl-cert
http://www.xenu.net/
http://firedrake.org/roger/fireworks/
http://www.lemaitrefx.com/
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03844.html
http://www.middlefarm.com/
http://www.inlink.com/~perlguy/campcamel/

Dave Hodgkinson tried to get us to join the Jedi religion and make it
an officially-recognised one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03817.html
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/03/05/0252249.shtml

Jo Walsh wants Dave Cross to organise a trip to see the
London.pm-sponsored camel at London zoo:
http://london.pm.org/camel.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03862.html

Martin Ling delurked and couldn't believe we were all nutters and
Buffy fans. David Adler added "drunks". Jonathan Stowe added
"skateboarders, musicians". Lucy McWilliam (who has very amusing
taglines) added "geeks, goths, jugglers, Netscis. And that's just
me". Paul Makepeace added "unicyclist". Greg McCarroll added "drunk
crazy buffy fans".
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ts/book-similarities/1565922204/qid%3D980318967/+buffy+perlhl=en

And finally, Jo Walsh asked if Perl version 5.6.1 would be out
soon. It's gone gold, but don't tell anyone. In other news, the Perl
5.7 pumpkin, Jarkko Hietaniemi (which we can all pronounce correctly,
thanks to Damian), is making appearances in "Black  White", a new god
game, everywhere:
http://freebs23.iserver.net/jarkko.jpg
http://www.bwgame.com/
http://archive.develooper.com/perl5-porters%40perl.org/msg24544.html

Leon
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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Matthew Jones

 True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) 
 here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn
 - so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something
 about the education system and the attitude of the pupils therein.

I don't know which education system you went through, but I was taught all
this stuff at primary school. I think it's just because the pupils couln't
be beggared to learn it properly (as you suggest), preferring to subscribe
to the "well, you know what I mean" school of thought. 

I think this could be related to the (deja) suggestion that coders have to
pay a lot of attention to syntax and format in their work, and tend to bring
the same approach to writing english. Designers, however ...

I remember last year I helped a designer chum of mine subscribe to (void),
because I thought he might bring an interesting perspective to some of the
discussions. I then promptly unsubbed because of "stuff". When I came back,
I found out that he'd only wanted to witter, not argue and



formatted his emails


a
bit  like this.

and generally pissed people off. He still writes mails like that, all dreamy
and rightbrain.

-- 
matt
"'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today?
hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"



Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Wilcox

At 11:33 04/04/2001 +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote:
on 4/4/01 11:27 am, Simon Wilcox wrote:

  Luckily it only did minor damage to the backstage area.

I bought a supply of various flashes and explosions, but did not have a
firing box.

Using the switch on a 4 way extension block (with a number of mains plugs to
croc clips) is probably not the safest way to fire them.

I'll bet it worked a treat though !

c.
(who also used to cut live mains cables with secateurs, for fun)

Which reminds me of the time someone shorted out a mains socket with a 
paper clip "to see what happened".

Scared the hell out of the teacher :-)

Ahh, the old days. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be..




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:41:46AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:12:57PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
   Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
   and no-one told me?
  
  And drunks!  Don't forget drunks!
  
 
 drunk crazy buffy fans

riding on ponies?

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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Dean

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:39:55AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
 I don't know which education system you went through, but I was taught all
 this stuff at primary school. I think it's just because the pupils couln't
 be beggared to learn it properly (as you suggest), preferring to subscribe
 to the "well, you know what I mean" school of thought. 

I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and similar were
only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we never actually
did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my adult hatred of
Excel) and as far as I'm aware none of my friends of the same age did any
real grammer in school so you can expect a fair size chunk of 20-22 year
olds to have no real grasp of what constitutes good grammar.

Although i have to say that I'm one of the worse for this, i drop into
slang and similar almost all the time outside of work, not to mention that
my emails to friends are written as I'd say them. Is it just me or do we
seem to thread drift a lot recently...
 
 I remember last year I helped a designer chum of mine subscribe to (void),

Did he have lots of wasted disk space you felt the need to use? ;)

Dean
-- 
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand
   --- Anon



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:06:14AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:28:24PM +0100, Dean S Wilson wrote:
  
  Stick with drunks, it'll save time. And the meetings on Thursday so
  you announced yourself just in time! ;)
 
 I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
 for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.
 
Details? Location? URL?

Neil.
(who proabably ought to stay home this weekend, but. )



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Leon Brocard

Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether:

 Details? Location? URL?

http://gllug.linux.co.uk/

Leon
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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 <