Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Dean

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:19:46PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
   Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of
   people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it.
 
 A while back. It was the time with the wearable computers demo.

Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz they were
far far worse... Students ;)

Dean
-- 
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand
   --- Anon



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Janet Reid

 Dean:
 Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz they were
 far far worse... Students ;)
Dean,  it happens to the best of us. =)
I am worse even than that, I am a wannabe student...!

signed patient grasshopper





Re:

2001-04-05 Thread Philip Newton

Paul Makepeace wrote:
 Do you (whoever) in all seriousness think someone would *choose* to
 post in base64? Or even imagine that without extensive spelunking in
 the config files/menus their email client would do that by default?
 No, of course not -- so give 'em a fscking break! Be nice, point out
 how to fix it, and if they *still* keep doing it say, after the 3rd
 time, *then* fire up the cannons.
 
 Hopefully these links are useful:
 http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/html-off.html
 http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1236/nomime.html

Thanks; they were interesting. However, I believe that it's not even my
email client's fault. The options for MS Outlook were not available because
I don't use the Internet Email service to send mail but the MS Exchange
Server service -- so the "Internet Email options" window or tab is not
available to me. It's the server that does the mangling.

I found a workaround which I can live with; if I hadn't, I would probably be
using Pegasus, which I also have installed on this machine.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Philip Newton

Alex Page wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 
  Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
  mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
 
 AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes 
 you think about your grammar in English. I did Latin to 
 A-level, and remembering which form of qui to use in a given 
 situation really helps you work out that whole who / whom issue.

In my case, German helps there, with wer/wessen/wem/wen distinctions. German
speakers also tend not to make mistakes of the "give it to either Paul or I"
type, probably because case is still pretty visible in German. (That being
said, my wife does tend to mix up accusative [often -n] and dative [often
-m] endings, so not every native speaker has an innate grasp of grammar.)

 Similarly, I'm pretty good at using the subjunctive properly 
 and stuff like that. German helped a lot too...

I can imagine. Greek would also help you, at least with the
nominative/accusative distinction (dative died hundreds of years ago and was
replaced by preposition + accusative, or sometimes by genitive). I remember
my German grammar helped me when learning Greek, since of the four surviving
cases, three also existed in German, and vocative is pretty simple to use
:). The English speakers in my class had a harder time of it, and when I was
in Greece, I met one American who told me he got a text on English grammar
because he said he felt he needed to understand his own grammar before he
could understand another language's.

 When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of 
 little signs over the classroom walls saying things like 
 "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum little things 
 like that in.

I hope it had s/say/write/ , since I don't hear any difference when someone
*says* "all right" or "alright".

A German example is "gar nicht wird gar nicht zusammengeschrieben" (new
spelling, I believe, would use "zusammen geschrieben").

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
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Re: Mmm... Perl 5+i

2001-04-05 Thread Philip Newton

Piers Cawley wrote:
 I'm really liking Damian's work on this. Favourite so far:
 
 %new_hash = map {yield munge_key($_); munge_value($_)} %a_hash
   ^

Looks like someone's been doing too much Ruby to me

Cheers,
Philip
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



RE: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Janet Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 April 2001 10:15

  Dean:
  Ah the one at the uni near Angel tube. Those weren't w4r3z d00dz 
  they were far far worse... Students ;)
 
 Dean,  it happens to the best of us. =)

Happened to some of us for a bloody long time.

Dave...
[seven years a student - still only got a BSc out of it]

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Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wistow

Simon Cozens wrote:
 
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:19:15PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  Feature request - IMAP client.
 
 Mail::IMAPClient exists, so I guess it's a real possibility. When I get a
 spare second. (Yeah, right.)

There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to
install and the interface is a bit unfriendly (until I finally get round
to writing Mail::Cclient::Simple) but does EVERYTHING (POP3, IMAP, NNTP,
and Mbox if I ever get round to M::C::S) almsot transparently.

Oh and it does on the fly MIME decoding and fast so you don't need to
leave nasty temporary files lying around when munging.



Backslash

2001-04-05 Thread Mark Fowler

Slashdot, and everything else running Slash (i.e. use.perl.org) seem to no
longer be doing XML RSS feeds, but a custom DTD called 'backslash'.  I 
was wondering if anyone knows anything about this.

I'm currently working on building summaries of sites, and then things
from these summaries.  I was planning to build RSS documents for each of
them using XML::RSS (following the helpful section in dmwp.)  I was
wondering:

 a) What and Why is backslash?  
 b) Is this better/worse/indifferent?  Should I use it instead?
 c) How do I parse it (XML::RSS doesn't work, am I going to have to code
it from hand?)

Dipsy seems to be able to cope with this..

Later.

Mark.

http://slashdot.org/slashdot.xml
http://slashdot.org/backslash.dtd

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Steve Mynott

dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 When I was at secondary school (75 - 79) ITA was used to teach reading to a
 remedial class. As (supposedly) one of the brighter pupils in my year, I got
 to spend a couple of hours a week helping out in this class, which is where
 I picked up ITA.

I was taught ITA in the early 1970s and remember hating it.  There
were actually more letters than in the normal alphabet.

My spelling is pretty poor as well!

-- 
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

it is better to be hated for what one is than be loved for what  one is not.
-andre gide



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Steve Mynott

Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled
 during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
 punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually
 taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify performance-related
 bonuses, or running around like headless chickens to prepare for OFSTED
 visits.

Me!

I am 35 this year and was never taught grammer at all, although I was
probably taught in quite a "progressive" manner for the time.  In
hindsight it was probably quite bad as well.

I remember arguing with a teacher who told us gravity was caused by
the Earth spinning round who refused to accept that the child she was
teaching actually knew more about it than her.

The only grammer I was taught at school was when I did foreign
languages much later.

-- 
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

i believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. i believe
it is better to be free than to be a slave. and i believe it is better
to know than to be ignorant.  -- h. l. mencken



Re: Backslash

2001-04-05 Thread Leon Brocard

Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether:

 Slashdot, and everything else running Slash (i.e. use.perl.org) seem to no
 longer be doing XML RSS feeds, but a custom DTD called 'backslash'.  I 
 was wondering if anyone knows anything about this.

Don't know about the Big Picture, but you can still get RDF:

http://www.slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf
http://use.perl.org/useperl.rdf

Leon
-- 
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yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/

... BREAKFAST.COM Halted... Cereal Port Not Responding.



RE: Backslash

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Batistoni



Mark:
  a) What and Why is backslash?
  b) Is this better/worse/indifferent?  Should I use it instead?

I'd love to know both of these. I can't find anything regarding backslash
following a quick trawl of the slashcode site.

I'm immediately pre-disposed against it simply because, even if only the
name differs, simply because it adds to the standards (original RDF, RSS and
now this) being used for site newsfeeds, and therefore makes the job of
integrating newsfeeds a right pain in the arse.

  c) How do I parse it (XML::RSS doesn't work, am I going to have to code
 it from hand?)

 Dipsy seems to be able to cope with this..

The infobot code doesn't do a proper XML parse. It simply pulls in the file
using LWP::UserAgent, and regexes for the title, url and time tags
within the file, which happen not to have changed in the backslash format.

sb




Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
 There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to
 install and the interface is a bit unfriendly

That's the fault of the underlying Cclient library. :(

-- 
Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root.
-- Eric Allman, "Sendmail Installation Guide"



Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Wistow

Simon Cozens wrote:
 
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
  There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to
  install and the interface is a bit unfriendly
 
 That's the fault of the underlying Cclient library. :(

Yeah, tell me about it. 

hence the idea of Mail::Cclient::Simple



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Janet Reid


 Yes. But some were too old to be students. Oh well..
how old is that exactly =)




Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 I remember arguing with a teacher who told us gravity was caused by
 the Earth spinning round who refused to accept that the child she was
 teaching actually knew more about it than her.
 
Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day after
being 'impolite to the teacher' when I refused (loudly) to accept his
version of the first moonlanding where Aldrin got out first. 

Cheers,
-- 
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Software Geek | It's really *good* tin foil.
  | And stop staring at me like that.



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day after
  being 'impolite to the teacher' when I refused (loudly) to accept his
  version of the first moonlanding where Aldrin got out first.
 
 Had large arguments with English teacher about Shylock in Merchant of
 Venice. I was extremley critical of the way he was treated by the
 Christians and refused to write essays them in a positive light.
 (Un)Fortunatley I was a boarder whose parents lived in Germany so they
 couldn't really send me home.

I was a cheeky brat as a child,

  I remember having an argument once with a teacher, whose comeback
  was - well if you don't study harder what sort of job to you hope
  to get? my reply was - well if the worst comes to the worst i 
  might end up teacher.

  Another teacher caught me talking in class, when she asked who 
  I was talking to, i told her my imaginary friend, she then attempted
  to take me on in a battle of wits - whats is your imaginary friends 
  name? Little Jimmy Sham, don't you think your a bit old to have
  an imaginary friend? Litte Jimmy Sham says your never too old, etc.

  Then there was the time I grabbed a role of magnesium ribbon in
  a dish clothe and lit it - subtly or so i hoped, its amazing
  how hard it is to disguise the fact you just set fire to a 
  roll of magnesium ribbon.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread AEF


 An somewhat sceptical essay I wrote on whether psychology was a science
for my A' level psychology course came back with "You can argue that
psychology is a science, you can't argue that it isn't" written on it.

 I thought that rather nicely proved my point.

 Tony




Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Martin Ling

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:19:46PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 
 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dean wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
   Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of
   people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it.
  How long ago was this? I'm worried now in case i was there and looked like
  a w4r3z d00dz ;)
 
 A while back. It was the time with the wearable computers demo.

Neill's, I take it, rather than one of my impromptu borgings? I've no
idea who most of those people were. Some kind of gargoyle groupie effect
g... I heard some dreadful stories about the wearables thing at ICA
some time back too. 

All this said, there were an obscene number of people at Lonix last
night, who once again I have no idea about other than that they were
being given advice by the people I steer clear of for asking long, slow
and stupid questions.

Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker, it's just that I'd
like all these morons to fuck off :-P


Martin



Certing

2001-04-05 Thread Dean

Will the Perl Cert discussion/brainstorming be taking part at todays meet
or the technical one?

Dean
-- 
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand
   --- Anon



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Martin Ling

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, wrote:
 
 All this said, there were an obscene number of people at Lonix last
 night, who once again I have no idea about other than that they were
 being given advice by the people I steer clear of for asking long, slow
 and stupid questions.
 
 Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker, it's just that I'd
 like all these morons to fuck off :-P

Blimey, I need to cool down. Sorry.


Martin



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Dean

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  A while back. It was the time with the wearable computers demo.
 
 Neill's, I take it, rather than one of my impromptu borgings? I've no
 idea who most of those people were. Some kind of gargoyle groupie effect
 g... I heard some dreadful stories about the wearables thing at ICA
 some time back too. 

Well i mean Martin what kind of freak would build a wearable for personal
use... Even going so far as to hack the hardware in a webcam and a touch
pad? ;)
 
 All this said, there were an obscene number of people at Lonix last
 night,

At least 50 people in the restaurant from the number of individual meals on
the bill. And we lost a bundle when we left the pub... Twas a good night.
London PM even had a representitive present as Mr Brocard made an
apperence. And was scared ;)

 Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker, it's just that I'd
 like all these morons to fuck off :-P

I'd settle for having them learn to quote in email...

Dean
-- 
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand
   --- Anon



Re: Certing

2001-04-05 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Will the Perl Cert discussion/brainstorming be taking part at todays meet
  or the technical one?
  
 
 todays
 

having said that i think it will be pretty damn informal


-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



[HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-05 Thread Andy Williams

Hi,

Can any one tell me what this traceroute actually means... it has me
completely confused (not that difficult actually!!)

traceroute 195.153.113.229
traceroute to 195.153.113.229 (195.153.113.229), 30 hops max, 40 byte
packets
 1  chromium.pair.net (209.68.1.224)  1.814 ms  1.067 ms  0.569 ms
 2  beauty.pair.net (192.168.1.2)  1.744 ms  1.472 ms  0.813 ms
 3  POS3-2.GW3.PIT1.ALTER.NET (157.130.48.161)  1.003 ms  1.520 ms  1.621
ms
 4  518.at-2-0-0.XR1.DCA1.ALTER.NET (152.63.36.250)  6.362 ms  6.487 ms
6.001 ms
 5  295.at-7-1-0.XR1.DCA8.ALTER.NET (146.188.163.10)  7.885 ms  6.676 ms
8.041 ms
 6  POS6-0.BR2.DCA8.ALTER.NET (152.63.35.189)  8.887 ms  8.094 ms  8.770
ms
 7  204.6.140.117 (204.6.140.117)  7.447 ms  8.928 ms  8.285 ms
 8  ne.peering.tier1.us.psi.net (154.13.2.34)  14.977 ms  13.005 ms
12.713 ms
 9  204.6.134.154 (204.6.134.154)  87.708 ms  87.232 ms  86.990 ms
10  5-11-leaf-int.lf1.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.11.5)  83.906 ms
83.318 ms  83.721 ms
11  * * *
12  * * *
13  * * *
14  * * *
15  * * *
16  * * *
17  * * *
18  * * *
19  * * *
20  * * *
21  * * *
22  * * *
23  * * *
24  * * *
25  ci217.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.30.217)  97.396 ms !X * *
26  ci217.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.30.217)  95.940 ms !X *  94.271 ms
!X

TIA

Andy



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haven't even considered the moral implications of your
decision. You will be joining a society where you will be
compelled to have sex with beautiful, brilliant women, twice
daily, on demand. Now, am I really the only one here who
finds that just a little bit tacky?"






Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-05 Thread Roger Burton West

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:33:19AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote:
Hi,

Can any one tell me what this traceroute actually means... it has me
completely confused (not that difficult actually!!)

Yup. The machines on hops 11-24 aren't answering the traceroute
packets, but are passing them on. Possibly a routeing loop if you'd
normally expect to see fewer hops there.

Roger (won't be along this evening, not getting paid for the last
month's work. Gizza job!)



Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-05 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:33:19AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Can any one tell me what this traceroute actually means... it has me
 completely confused (not that difficult actually!!)
 
 traceroute 195.153.113.229
 traceroute to 195.153.113.229 (195.153.113.229), 30 hops max, 40 byte
 packets
  1  chromium.pair.net (209.68.1.224)  1.814 ms  1.067 ms  0.569 ms
  2  beauty.pair.net (192.168.1.2)  1.744 ms  1.472 ms  0.813 ms
  3  POS3-2.GW3.PIT1.ALTER.NET (157.130.48.161)  1.003 ms  1.520 ms  1.621
 ms
  4  518.at-2-0-0.XR1.DCA1.ALTER.NET (152.63.36.250)  6.362 ms  6.487 ms
 6.001 ms
  5  295.at-7-1-0.XR1.DCA8.ALTER.NET (146.188.163.10)  7.885 ms  6.676 ms
 8.041 ms
  6  POS6-0.BR2.DCA8.ALTER.NET (152.63.35.189)  8.887 ms  8.094 ms  8.770
 ms
  7  204.6.140.117 (204.6.140.117)  7.447 ms  8.928 ms  8.285 ms
  8  ne.peering.tier1.us.psi.net (154.13.2.34)  14.977 ms  13.005 ms
 12.713 ms
  9  204.6.134.154 (204.6.134.154)  87.708 ms  87.232 ms  86.990 ms
 10  5-11-leaf-int.lf1.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.11.5)  83.906 ms
 83.318 ms  83.721 ms
 11  * * *
 12  * * *
 13  * * *
 14  * * *
 15  * * *
 16  * * *
 17  * * *
 18  * * *
 19  * * *
 20  * * *
 21  * * *
 22  * * *
 23  * * *
 24  * * *

Here it went th next router went wihtout responding for a while (it may
have been rebooting).

 25  ci217.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.30.217)  97.396 ms !X * *
 26  ci217.cityreach.uk.psi.net (154.32.30.217)  95.940 ms !X *  94.271 ms
 !X

!X means the router administratively prohibited your packets from
passing.  ie: it disallows traceroutes.  Try connecting to a service on
that machine, eg: "telnet 195.153.113.229 80".  That stands a better
chance of working.

Incidentally, the traceroute man page contains a couple of good examples
of "funny" outputs.

-Dom



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:14:05PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

 "Sex is kinda like pizza. When it's bad, it's still pretty good."

Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
know dirt about pizza... :-)

dha
-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Perl gives you enough rope to hang yourself and your neighbor.
 - Randal L. Schwartz



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:03:43AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 
 dha, how's your "last read" mark?

Eh?

-- 
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We honestly don't want to see another technicolored cow.
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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
 Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker

I seem to solve this by being one all along...

-- 
VMS must die!



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:05:10PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 
 ObTopic:

[snip lots of stuff about perl]

Excuse me, where was the topical stuff there?

dha

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David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Your Aunt Linda should maybe stay away from the Manischewitz. Or
stop using it to wash down prescription tranquilizers, whichever.
 - Mary Roth



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:29:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
   its amazing how hard it is to disguise the fact you just set fire to
   a roll of magnesium ribbon.

...but hardly surprising. :_)

One of the administrators of my school found me sitting out in the
hallway reading a book and asked why I wasn't in class.  I looked at her
and informed her that my teacher and I had mutually agreed that it would
be better for all concerned if I was not, in fact, in his classroom.

Just to give you an idea of the kinds of arguments I used to get into
with teachers, she said "Oh.  All right, then" and walked away...

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
"It must be difficult being such a visionary."
"Not really.  You just have to drink a whole lot."
- http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
  Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
  know dirt about pizza... :-)
 
 I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.

No, best pizza is in NY or the hypehnated environs.

You go to Italky for the wine and the antipasti.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:34PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
  Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
  know dirt about pizza... :-)
 
 I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.

Well, to hear Frank Zappa tell it, at least, the italians *really* don't
know anything about pizza...

dha
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Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:27:57PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
   Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
   know dirt about pizza... :-)
  
  I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.
 
 No, best pizza is in NY or the hypehnated environs.

Yeah.  And if you go to Koronet, it's *really big* too.  :-)

dha
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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Barbie

 Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was
schooled
 during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
 punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually
 taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify
performance-related
 bonuses, or running around like headless chickens to prepare for OFSTED
 visits.

Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of the
english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky enough
to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so probably faired
better than most.

 They went on strike quite a lot back then, too.

Living in the wilds of Cheshire we had regular blackouts. The local candle
factory did a roaring trade back then.

 Anyway, back to the point. Many of my peers and friends who were taught
 exactly the same punctuation stuff as me just ignored it and used things
 like "could'nt" and "samwich's" and so on. I reckon it's less to do with
it
 being taight in schools and more to do with how much someone reads. If you
 read a lot, you see the correct forms a lot and it sinks in. Similarly
with
 grammar, I reckon, although I have absolutely zero evidence to back that
up.

Personally I think it stems from laziness. There are too many hip and trendy
words slipping into our regular vocabulary these days, that even TV
presenters are falling foul of correct english. Not a good example to the
kids me thinks (says he now a responsible father of 5 months. okay
forget the responsible part).

RANT
My other half was a Reception teacher and the farce they went through with
OFSTED was beyond belief. Then the actual report was even worse, all wrapped
up in management BS that can destroy a career after only ever having seen
one 30 minute lesson.
/RANT

Barbie.

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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

"Barbie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of the
 english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky enough
 to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so probably faired
 better than most.

Fared?

*ducks*


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Re:

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:21:33AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 I found a workaround which I can live with;

Do tell -- HTML email pisses me off as much as the the next person and
there are a few Lookout/!Exchange users I'd like to clue in.

P



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:19:54PM +0100, Dean wrote:
 Well i mean Martin what kind of freak would build a wearable for personal
 use... Even going so far as to hack the hardware in a webcam and a touch
 pad? ;)

This guy -- http://eyetap.org/mann/  I set up one of his exhibits
http://www.wearcam.org/dusting/seatsale/index.htm in SF recently
and shared an apartment for a while. Steve shows up *wearing*
a dual alpha board with about 60GB of drives whirring around
his waist recording video data his eye-mounted camera and mirror
contraption. This guy *lives* in a mediated experience.

Paul



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:34PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
  Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
  know dirt about pizza... :-)
 
 I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.

Pizza was invented in America, very possibly NY, so I hear...

Paul



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace

Greg McCarroll IS Tommy Cooper!

Stand-up comedy slots at TPC would get my vote.

P

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:29:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 I was a cheeky brat as a child,
 
   I remember having an argument once with a teacher, whose comeback
   was - well if you don't study harder what sort of job to you hope
   to get? my reply was - well if the worst comes to the worst i 
   might end up teacher.
 
   Another teacher caught me talking in class, when she asked who 
   I was talking to, i told her my imaginary friend, she then attempted
   to take me on in a battle of wits - whats is your imaginary friends 
   name? Little Jimmy Sham, don't you think your a bit old to have
   an imaginary friend? Litte Jimmy Sham says your never too old, etc.
 
   Then there was the time I grabbed a role of magnesium ribbon in
   a dish clothe and lit it - subtly or so i hoped, its amazing
   how hard it is to disguise the fact you just set fire to a 
   roll of magnesium ribbon.



Re: Certing

2001-04-05 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 05 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 * Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   Will the Perl Cert discussion/brainstorming be taking part at todays meet
   or the technical one?

  todays

 having said that i think it will be pretty damn informal

judging by the way grep appeared late, informed everyone he'd had 'a hell
of a day' and then went to the bar and bought two 6 pint pitchers of 6X
I think it fair to say it might well be a little more informal than
people might possibly have imagined . :))

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Re: Appalling vampire joke

2001-04-05 Thread Neil Ford

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:51:45PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 What the hell, it's no less than you deserve...
 
 Paul
 
 
 One day Dracula is walking down the street when suddenly 10 tons of
 smoked salmon sandwiches, sausage rolls, vol-au-vents, chicken wings,
 chipolatas, tomato salad, pizza slices and crisps descend on him from a
 great height and knock him to the ground.
 
 "Oh no!" he gasps with his dying breath
 
 "It's Buffet the Vampire Slayer!"
 
 
 Boom boom !
 


On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 One day Dracula is walking down the street when suddenly 10 tons of
 smoked salmon sandwiches, bread rolls, pitted olives, chicken wings,
 chipolatas, tomato salad, pizza slices and crisps descends on him from a
 great height and knocks him to the ground.
  
  "Oh no!" he gasps with his dying breath
  
 
  
 "It's Buffet the Vampire Slayer."
 
Sometimes archiving london-pm has it's benefits. :-)

Neil.



Re: Appalling vampire joke

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace

Doh. I have the archive too, and knew I should've ~b'ed it but the
pain of dial-up prevented me.  Sorry 'bout that.

P

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:03:06PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:51:45PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  What the hell, it's no less than you deserve...
  
  Paul
  
  
  One day Dracula is walking down the street when suddenly 10 tons of
  smoked salmon sandwiches, sausage rolls, vol-au-vents, chicken wings,
  chipolatas, tomato salad, pizza slices and crisps descend on him from a
  great height and knock him to the ground.
  
  "Oh no!" he gasps with his dying breath
  
  "It's Buffet the Vampire Slayer!"
  
  
  Boom boom !
  
 
 
 On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
 
  One day Dracula is walking down the street when suddenly 10 tons of
  smoked salmon sandwiches, bread rolls, pitted olives, chicken wings,
  chipolatas, tomato salad, pizza slices and crisps descends on him from a
  great height and knocks him to the ground.
   
   "Oh no!" he gasps with his dying breath
   
  
   
  "It's Buffet the Vampire Slayer."
  
 Sometimes archiving london-pm has it's benefits. :-)
 
 Neil.



Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:40:03PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 Anyway, tip-o-the-day for mutt users.  How to get HTML viewed easily and
 automatically.  I'm not 100% sure of the security aspects, but it's
 still better than Lookout.  ;-)
 
 [ ~/.mailcap ]--
 text/html; /usr/bin/lynx %s; nametemplate=%s.html
 text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput 
 
 
 [ ~/.muttrc ]---
 set mailcap_path=~/.mailcap
 auto_view text/html
 

This is great, thanks! Is it possible to get it to do this *only* when
the email is content-type: text/html; rather than displaying it instead
of the text/plain in a multipart/alternative?

Another mutt question: How do you send To: a whopping list of
recipients? It's a nightmare copy/pasting on a single line. I ended
up editing the headers with E (on the final page) and reading the
recip.'s in from a file. Seems laborious.

Paul



CiP value =1.5?

2001-04-05 Thread Robin Szemeti


@P=split//,".URRUU\c8R";@d=split//,"\n?neht krow siht seod woh oS";sub
p{
 @p{"r$p","u$p"}=(P,P);pipe"r$p","u$p";++$p;
($q*=2)+=$f=!fork;map{$P=$P[$f^ord ($p{$_})6];$p{$_}=/
^$P/ix?$P:close$_}keys%p}p;p;p;p;p;map{$p{$_}=~/^[P.]/ close$_}%p;wait
until$?;map{/^r/$_}%p;$_=$d[$q];sleep rand(2)if/\S/;print


not mine, but amusing

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So I installed Linux!



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:27:57PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
   Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
   know dirt about pizza... :-)
  
  I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.
 
 No, best pizza is in NY or the hypehnated environs.
 
 You go to Italky for the wine and the antipasti.

Barbarian!

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Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:14:05PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

  "Sex is kinda like pizza. When it's bad, it's still pretty good."
 
 Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
 know dirt about pizza... :-)

I reserve judgement until I've had a NY pizza and a NY coffee.  However,
I expect neither to be up to the standards I expect :-)  You have to
beat Roma* to be acceptable.

Said standards, BTW, give every single London / Paris  pizza / coffee a
fail mark, except the coffees I brew.

* - because of all the food/drink I've had in Italy, Roman pizzas and
coffees were the worst.  Neapolitan pizzas were the best, and Sicilian
coffees.

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:02PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
  Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker
 
 I seem to solve this by being one all along...

'Elitist' implies to me that one is applying unreasonable, arbitrary
criteria.  Well shit, if despising scum is unreasonable and arbitrary,
then sign me up!

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Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:39:21PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:34PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
   Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
   know dirt about pizza... :-)
  
  I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.
 
 Well, to hear Frank Zappa tell it, at least, the italians *really* don't
 know anything about pizza...

Thus speaks a man who has never had pizza.

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Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:19:54PM +0100, Dean wrote:

 Well i mean Martin what kind of freak would build a wearable for personal
 use... Even going so far as to hack the hardware in a webcam and a touch
 pad? ;)

Well I would actually.  It's really rather pleasant to have the world
visible through emacs^Wvi.

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Re: Silly postings

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:34PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
   Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't
   know dirt about pizza... :-)
  
  I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change.
 
 Pizza was invented in America, very possibly NY, so I hear...

So?  Even if that is true, does that mean that no-one can do it better?
Well I guess that means that the Chinese make the best firearms (they
invented them), Europeans make the best wine ooh, controversy (they
invented the vile muck), and Sweden produces the best bloodthirsty
maniacs (they invented them).

Which is of course wrong.  Russia makes the best firearms, Australia makes
the best wine, and .us produces the best bloodthirsty maniacs.  I believe
they recently elected one as their Fuhrer.

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Re: Certing

2001-04-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:37:47PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 judging by the way grep appeared late, informed everyone he'd had 'a hell
 of a day' and then went to the bar and bought two 6 pint pitchers of 6X
 I think it fair to say it might well be a little more informal than
 people might possibly have imagined . :))

Robin is mistaken.  We had a very serious discussion which covered a
number of difficult topics.  Greg was volunteered to take minutes, and
will be posting a summary shortly.

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