Re: CiP value =1.5?

2001-04-06 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:24:57PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 @P=split//,".URRUU\c8R";@d=split//,"\n?neht krow siht seod woh oS";sub
 p{@p{"r$p","u$p"}=(P,P);pipe"r$p","u$p";++$p;($q*=2)+=$f=!fork;map{$P=
 $P[$f^ord ($p{$_})6];$p{$_}=/^$P/ix?$P:close$_}keys%p}p;p;p;p;p;map{$p
 {$_}=~/^[P.]/ close$_}%p;wait until$?;map{/^r/$_}%p;$_=$d[$q];
 sleep rand(2)if/\S/;print
 
 not mine, but amusing

It's probably worrying if I can look at the above and think "That looks like
MJD's code".

-- 
King's Law of Clues :  Common sense is inversely proportional to the
academic intelligence of the person concerned.



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-06 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:27:57PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 No, best pizza is in NY or the hypehnated environs.
 You go to Italky for the wine and the antipasti.

It's a hell of a trip back for the main course, though.

-- 
People in a Position to Know, Inc.



Re: Certing

2001-04-06 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Robin is mistaken.  We had a very serious discussion which covered a
 number of difficult topics.  Greg was volunteered to take minutes, and
 will be posting a summary shortly.
 

Err, yes exactly as Dave says it. The minutes will take the form
of an agreed plan of action, that we will kick off. I seem
to remember Leon looking over the plan and thinking it was
jolly good

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



RE: Silly postings

2001-04-06 Thread Matthew Jones

Hm. Looking over this you might not want to read it if you're eating or
anything.

 I reserve judgement until I've had a NY pizza and a NY 
 coffee.  However, I expect neither to be up to the standards
 I expect :-)  You have to beat Roma* to be acceptable.

I've had a NY pizza and it was certainly the most *foul* pizza I have ever
had the misfortune of not being able to avoid eating (*inlcuding* McCain
frozen pizza). It was soggy, in fact, *wet*, the topping slid off the base
like scabs slipping off a weeping sore, and it fell to bits. Only a sample
of one, I know, but on the stength of that, {NY Pizza}--

 Said standards, BTW, give every single London / Paris  pizza 
 / coffee a fail mark, except the coffees I brew.

NY cawwfee, OTOH, really impressed me. I loved it. Merkan diner breakfasts
are great. Bacon and waffles and pancakes and syrup and eggs over easy and
home fries. They were very fulfilling indeed.

But what is it about NY toilets that only about three of them flushed
properly during my entire visit? Almost every time I or the people I was
with went into a kludgie, we found it blocked up by a grim combination of
ordure and bogroll. Didn't matter where we were, the hostel we stayed in,
the diners we went to, the tourist attractions, any publicly-available lav.
Ewww.

Oh and mm, turkish coffee. Yowsa.

-- 
matt
"'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today?
hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"



the 2nd best london.pm meeting of all time

2001-04-06 Thread Greg McCarroll


I nominate last night as the 2nd best social meeting of all time, just
behind the TVR train and toilet seat nicking of a previous meeting.

The stolen wine by the thames at 1am was a particularly nice feature.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: Test

2001-04-06 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:57:08PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:40:03PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
  Anyway, tip-o-the-day for mutt users.  How to get HTML viewed easily and
  automatically.  I'm not 100% sure of the security aspects, but it's
  still better than Lookout.  ;-)
  
  [ ~/.mailcap ]--
  text/html; /usr/bin/lynx %s; nametemplate=%s.html
  text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput 
  
  
  [ ~/.muttrc ]---
  set mailcap_path=~/.mailcap
  auto_view text/html
  
 
 This is great, thanks! Is it possible to get it to do this *only* when
 the email is content-type: text/html; rather than displaying it instead
 of the text/plain in a multipart/alternative?

Pass, I'm afraid.

 Another mutt question: How do you send To: a whopping list of
 recipients? It's a nightmare copy/pasting on a single line. I ended
 up editing the headers with E (on the final page) and reading the
 recip.'s in from a file. Seems laborious.

Umm, I find that editing my headers with the message makes the most
sense:

set edit_headers

Then, you can do things like:

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

ie: indent all following lines, ala RFC822.

-Dom



Re: Certing

2001-04-06 Thread Struan Donald

* at 05/04 21:37 + Robin Szemeti said:
 On Thu, 05 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  * Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   * Dean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Will the Perl Cert discussion/brainstorming be taking part at todays meet
or the technical one?
 
   todays
 
  having said that i think it will be pretty damn informal
 
 judging by the way grep appeared late, informed everyone he'd had 'a hell
 of a day' and then went to the bar and bought two 6 pint pitchers of 6X
 I think it fair to say it might well be a little more informal than
 people might possibly have imagined . :))
 
and this i why i would like to nominate that the phrase of the day is
"I blame greg"

struan (who really drank far more than he intended)



RE: the 2nd best london.pm meeting of all time

2001-04-06 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 April 2001 10:00

 I nominate last night as the 2nd best social meeting of all time, just
 behind the TVR train and toilet seat nicking of a previous meeting.

It _was_ a lot of fun. Thanks everyone for coming.

 The stolen wine by the thames at 1am was a particularly nice feature.

Oh $deity. Are we going to be barred from Vinopolis now?

Dave...

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Re: CiP value =1.5?

2001-04-06 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 It's probably worrying if I can look at the above and think "That looks like
 MJD's code".
 
Nah, the p;p;p;p;p is a dead give away. And the fnord ofcourse :-)
-- 
Merijn Broeren| Nothing is more poignant in old age than the 
Software Geek | memory of temptation resisted.
  | 



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-06 Thread pmh

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:08:09 +0100 (BST), Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel!
  Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!"
 
 Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm.

I've yet to see a unicycle with a quick release wheel, though. However, mine
does have a quick release saddle. That's to say, last time I mounted it, the
saddle snapped in two. That was over six months ago, and I still haven't got
round to fitting the new saddle I immediately bought.

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Real programmers like vending machine popcorn.  Coders pop it in
  the microwave oven.  Real programmers use the heat from the CPU.
  They can tell which jobs are running from the rate of popping.



Re: Test

2001-04-06 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 This is great, thanks! Is it possible to get it to do this *only* when
 the email is content-type: text/html; rather than displaying it instead
 of the text/plain in a multipart/alternative?
 
Yeah, you set it up in .muttrc :

auto_view text/html application/msword
alternative_order text/enriched text/plain text

set mailcap_path="~/.mutt-mailcap:~/.mailcap:/etc/mailcap"

My .mutt-mailcap looks like this :

# Try w3m first
text/html; cathtml.sh %s; copiousoutput

# Send html to a running netscape by remote
text/html;  netscape -remote 'openURL(%s)'; test=RunningNetscape

# Else use lynx to view it as text
text/html; lynx -dump %s; copiousoutput

text/*; cat %s ; copiousoutput

application/msword;  catdoc; copiousoutput
application/postscript; ps2ascii %s; copiousoutput

And loads more for images and stuff. Especially catdoc is a godsend. 

Oh, my cathml.sh looks like this :

#!/bin/sh

eval `resize`;

w3m -T text/html -cols $COLUMNS -dump $1;

On the risk of offending the person who gets really tired of the
w3m-is-better meme, I prefer w3m because I get send so many tables in
html, they show up real nice.

Cheerrs,
-- 
Merijn Broeren| Nothing is more poignant in old age than the 
Software Geek | memory of temptation resisted.
  | 



[HELP] Quick question about Red Hat and gb keyboards

2001-04-06 Thread Merijn Broeren

Hi,

My experience with Red Hat is none existant, and I haven't installed a n
desktop Linux system in ages, so turn to you lot to ask a quick question
about something that isn't immediatley obvious to me. 

If I change in /etc/X11/XF86config the keyboard setting to 'gb' from
'us', the backspace and delete key give me a forward delete.  I don't
care that much since I can't type on a gb keybaord anyway, but one of my
collegues here is much annoyed by the ctrl-H :-) I tried stty erase and
looked with jwz's [1] xkeycaps. Xmodmap seems to make no difference. 

Anybody got an easy answer?


Cheers,
[1] Correct single quote usage?
-- 
Merijn Broeren| Nothing is more poignant in old age than the 
Software Geek | memory of temptation resisted.
  | 



Re: [HELP] Quick question about Red Hat and gb keyboards

2001-04-06 Thread Leon Brocard

Merijn Broeren sent the following bits through the ether:

 Anybody got an easy answer?

One of the more annoying RH bugs. Just do:

xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace"

in a relevant startup script (.bashrc will do).

HTH, Leon
-- 
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yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/

... Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity



Re: the 2nd best london.pm meeting of all time

2001-04-06 Thread Neil Ford

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:00:17AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 I nominate last night as the 2nd best social meeting of all time, just
 behind the TVR train and toilet seat nicking of a previous meeting.
 
 The stolen wine by the thames at 1am was a particularly nice feature.
 
Not wishing to be a sourpuss but personally last night was one of the worst
social meetings ever. The noise level, being unable to hear people, the lack
of space, unavailability of food, etc. made it one of the least pleasent
venues we've used. I wasn't at all unhappy about leaving early. However I 
suspect I'm in the minority.

I can imagine The Anchor is a great pub in the summer when you can sit out by
the river.

Neil.



Re: Test

2001-04-06 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:37:54AM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
 On the risk of offending the person who gets really tired of the
 w3m-is-better meme, I prefer w3m because I get send so many tables in
 html, they show up real nice.

I found a problem with w3m (which I admittedly didn't look at for very
long): It doesn't handle nbsp; at all.  It made for some very weird
message from NS Confusicator.

-Dom



RE: the 2nd best london.pm meeting of all time

2001-04-06 Thread Mark Fowler

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

  The stolen wine by the thames at 1am was a particularly nice feature.
 
 Oh $deity. Are we going to be barred from Vinopolis now?

To clarify: We did actually pay for the wine IIRC, but strictly speaking
we shouldn't have removed it from the resturant.

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re: Test

2001-04-06 Thread Mark Fowler

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Merijn Broeren wrote:

 # Else use lynx to view it as text
 text/html; lynx -dump %s; copiousoutput

Quick question for us non mutt users that may one day consider using
it.  Does this run throgh the shell?  And what's %s in this?  I'm kinda
hoping it's not able to be '; rm -rf ~/*' or worse, if you get my drift

Later.

Mark.

-- 
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re:

2001-04-06 Thread Natalie Ford

At 22:42 04/04/01, David Cantrell wrote:
They should run, not walk, to sourceforge, and get mutt for Win32.

I have tried www.sourceforge.net and i get a server / dns error.

I have also tried mutt.sourceforge.net which resolves OK but does not 
mention a win32 version.

Any more pointers?  I want to try this out!  :)

  PC-Pine is suitable only for small children recovering from major surgery.

...and maybe people who prefer a GUI?  :)

Natalie




Re:

2001-04-06 Thread Struan Donald

* at 06/04 11:34 +0100 Natalie Ford said:
 At 22:42 04/04/01, David Cantrell wrote:
   PC-Pine is suitable only for small children recovering from major surgery.
 
 ...and maybe people who prefer a GUI?  :)

isn't that what he said? :)

struan



Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread Andy Williams


Just looking for a good book on Email I can across the review for
Programming Internet Email (Oreilly) by [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565924797/o/qid=986555353/sr=8-1/026-4687583-3140411

Comments?

Andy



"Pub: ah, yes, a meeting place where people attempt to reach
advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated
consumption of fermented vegetable drinks"






sheik your booty

2001-04-06 Thread Matthew Jones

 Elect is a harsh term here. The man was appointed, crowned if 
 you will. Not unlike youre queen, from what I can tell, though I've to 
 date never seen her described as a bumbling idiot. Maybe the BBC keeps 
 that quiet?

Heh, have you never *seen* "our" royal family in action?

It's not just the Inbred German Bint who's a bumbling idiot:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1263000/1263458.stm

-- 
matt
"'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today?
hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"



Re: Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:18:13PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:36:40AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Unfortunatly this is largely a valid point.  Perl is not used by
  many *professional* people.  Perl is used by a lot of people, and some of
  them are professional, but I wouldn't consider it the
  majority.
 
 A professional is someone with a profession.

Indeed.  How many computer professionals are out there?  As opposed to
cowboys of the Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert variety.  I
certainly don't consider myself "professional", even though I try to ply
my trade in what I believe to be a "professional" manner.

As a trade, we have a long way to go before we are as respected[1] as
those in (say) accountancy, engineering and law.

I leave it to yourselves to judge whether or not this is a Good Thing.

-Dom

[1] In some senses only, I assure you.



RE: Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread Matthew Jones

 I certainly don't consider myself "professional", even though I 
 try to ply my trade in what I believe to be a "professional" manner.

"I'm not a professional, I'm a gifted amateur."

The source of that escapes for the moment.

-- 
matt
"'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today?
hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-06 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 07:57:45AM -0400, Chris Devers wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
 
  Which is of course wrong.  Russia makes the best firearms, Australia makes
  the best wine, and .us produces the best bloodthirsty maniacs.  I believe
  they recently elected one as their Fuhrer.
  
 Elect is a harsh term here. The man was appointed, crowned if you will.

ohmigod, my sincere apologies!

 Not unlike youre queen, from what I can tell, though I've to date never
 seen her described as a bumbling idiot. Maybe the BBC keeps that quiet?

Hmmph.  She's not *my* queen.  Anyway, I believe the description du jour
is that she is a "sweet old dear".

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

This is a signature.  There are many like it but this one is mine.

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Re: Ummm... Perl not professional??

2001-04-06 Thread jduncan

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:18:13PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:36:40AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Unfortunatly this is largely a valid point.  Perl is not used by
  many *professional* people.  Perl is used by a lot of people, and some of
  them are professional, but I wouldn't consider it the
  majority.
 
 A professional is someone with a profession.

Chuckle.

I think you are focusing on the definition rather than the
sentiment.  DWIM.  There are an awful lot of people out there that
download a MW script, change a few variables, and wack 'perl programmer'
on their CV.  I'd say 35-45% of CVs that are sent to me by recruitment
agencies fall into this category, or perhaps a little more skilled.  My
point is that while just getting your job done to keep the boss happy is a
valid use for Perl, I'd rather see someone who can get the job done in a
manner that will let (you|me|us) maintain, extend, and understand the code
that is written.  It is a both a pity and a fact that these people are
relatively few and far between.

The guy's point may be uneducated but it isn't wrong just because
(I|you|we) don't like the sentiment.

--james.


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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-06 Thread pmh

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:16:18 +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
  I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and 
  similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we 
  never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my
  adult hatred of Excel) and as far as I'm aware none of my friends of
  the same age did any real grammer in school so you can expect a fair
  size chunk of  20-22 year olds to have no real grasp of what constitutes
  good grammar.
 
 Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled
 during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
 punctuation and grammar at school?

I'm 30, and I don't *remember* being taught grammar at all. It confused the hell out 
of me when we were all expected to know what prepositions, adverbs and the perfect 
present were when I started learning French. Although I vaguely remember apostrophes, 
I'm pretty sure I was never taught the proper uses of (semi)colons and dashes.

 Anyway, back to the point. Many of my peers and friends who were taught
 exactly the same punctuation stuff as me just ignored it and used things
 like "could'nt" and "samwich's" and so on. I reckon it's less to do with it
 being taight in schools and more to do with how much someone reads. If you
 read a lot, you see the correct forms a lot and it sinks in. Similarly with
 grammar, I reckon, although I have absolutely zero evidence to back that up.

Maybe I don't remember the grammar lessons because they were boring, or maybe they 
were taught after I left at the place I move away from, and before I arrived at the 
place I moved to.

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I used to recognise C64 kernel and interpreter entry
 points in car registration numbers as a game."
-- Paul Makepeace



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-06 Thread Barbie

From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 "Barbie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of
the
  english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky
enough
  to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so probably
faired
  better than most.

 Fared?

 *ducks*

Senility is setting in early.

I thought it was bit strange my message not appear after posting Wed, 4 Apr
2001 13:01:32. Looking at the header it's certainly dome the rounds!

Barbie.






Re:

2001-04-06 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:34:03AM +0100, Natalie Ford wrote:
 ...and maybe people who prefer a GUI?  :)

http://www.thebat.net/ is good I hear. You can poke around on the server
before doing a download which is a neat feature.

Paul



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-06 Thread David H. Adler

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:29:03PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 09:25:21AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
  But what is it about NY toilets that only about three of them flushed
  properly during my entire visit?
 
 First time I went into a NY public toilet, er, bathroom, I thought
 "my god -- it's exactly like Duke Nukem" and looked arond for a
 ventilation duct to blast.

You *used* a public toilet in nyc???  eek.

dha
-- 
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"Hey you!  Don't watch dat!  Watch thees! This is the heavy, heavy
monster sound!" - Madness



Re: Silly postings

2001-04-06 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 04:44:59PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
 You *used* a public toilet in nyc???  eek.

I've slept in Central Park too.

(I was so ill from sleeping with the 10th floor window open there wasn't
much else I could do.)

Paul



Torvalds not impressed with OS X

2001-04-06 Thread Paul Makepeace

http://www.msnbc.com/news/555930.asp

Sadly, lacking on details.

Paul, who still likes it.