Re: BtVS : Best Male

2001-04-19 Thread Marcel Grunauer

On Thursday, April 19, 2001, at 02:59  AM, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 i seem to remember something about spike looking better with out his
 bleached hair look according to MG

Practically everybody looks better without bleached hair.

 Also Oz might be the outsider here.

Hm. There's something about Oz; maybe it's his laid-back attitude.

But Riley, as Greg suggested at the meeting, is really BtVS' male bimbo. 
Doesn't do much (hence no need for a Riley.pm), but v. good-looking.

Marcel

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Neil Ford

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:10:15PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 
 Is it just me or is OS X's sendmail broken out of the box?
 Apr 18 16:10:03 localhost sendmail[578]: My unqualified host name (localhost) 
unknown; sleeping for retry
 
Have to be honest and didn't bother finding out. One of the first things I did
was install the port of Postfix which completely replaced sendmail. Then I 
just copied across my config file :-)

I think some of sendmail's problems are to do with getting Netinfo set-up
properly, but I'm not sure abd could be talking out of somewhere fundemental.

Neil.



Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:49:09PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
 And there was me thinking that Chris was going to say that he doesn't have
 a TV either. But he didn't. I don't have a TV. But I'm currently camped out
 in my parents house, and they have 2. But I learn that they will both be
 obsolete in 5 years when we all the analogue TV transmitters are turned off.
 Is that relevant? :-)

Dunno, but I sure hope the digital packages get a bit better than the
current offerings otherwise I'll just switch off the telly and not turn
it on again...

-Dom (resents paying once for the license fee and again for the subscription)



JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

I got this from someone called Raphael Mankin
[EMAIL PROTECTED], but I don't really know how he fits into
the picture :(

Perl progger required to work in Golders Green. Permanent/contract as you
will. 

Tasks:
1. To nursemaid a new, Mason based, web app through its initial period
2. To maintain and develop this and any other apps as they come along
3. Some Linux sysadmin (SuSE).

Location: right next to Golders Green tube.
Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract
Contact: Leo Scheiner 020 8731 7077 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


And no, I don't know what a "Perl progger" is either!

Dave...

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RE: Tech mtg?

2001-04-19 Thread Mark Fowler

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

 At 17:08 18/04/2001, jo walsh wrote:

   this all gives me a creeping sense of deja type
 
 yeah, i've just looked and realised it says almost exactly the same thing
 on the website, except in more detail:
 http://london.pm.org/WhatDo.shtml

 Did _I_ do that? Whatever happened to my memory? (rhetorical!)

Kind of.  I noticed that you'd cunningly left it in elite web reader mode
with the directions still there from last time, just commented out.  Of
course, as we all read the web by using telnet or (for the advanced) GET
we all saw this an knew what was actually going on.  But I thought I'd
better just alter it an ickle for those damn mozilla/netscape/ie/opera/lynx
users who wern't seeing it.

Hope you don't mind.

Later.

Mark.

(tech support ninja in training)

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Jon Galliers

I know you're all probably bored with this, but I was even more bored and 
checked out the site further

 (Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is quite,
 um, entertaining ...)

It seems Burak Kanber (bk?) is Chris's best friend.

Not bad for a 13 year old though, ('legal' disclaimers excepted). They both 
should really get out more (and I should get on with some work).


Jon




Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Philip Newton

Robin Szemeti wrote:
 in the *nix variant can you load stuff from CPAN straight in ?

Lemme check... yep, you can. (Using the Solaris version of ActivePerl 618.)
I used a non-XS module, but I believe I've done it with XS modules as well.

Cheers,
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Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:22AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Rate ca. ?22k or equivalent for contract

Is that really the going rate for Perl proggers in London? Doesn't seem
like much (for reasonable definitions of "progger" :-).

Paul



Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Dominic Mitchell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:49:09PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
  And there was me thinking that Chris was going to say that he doesn't
have
  a TV either. But he didn't. I don't have a TV. But I'm currently camped
out
  in my parents house, and they have 2. But I learn that they will both be
  obsolete in 5 years when we all the analogue TV transmitters are turned
off.
  Is that relevant? :-)
 Dunno, but I sure hope the digital packages get a bit better than the
 current offerings otherwise I'll just switch off the telly and not turn
 it on again...
 -Dom (resents paying once for the license fee and again for the
subscription)

Hmm. I too am pissed off about this digital stuff, as the quality is worse
than analogue TV. My measure of quality is uninterrupted viewing. I have yet
to watch any digital TV where at some point the picture didn't pixelate or
completely blank for a few seconds. I have an excellent Sony 100Hz TV, and
cannot fault the picture. Why are we being forced down this digital route?
Money I expect.

But if you get a digital TV/receiver, surely BBC is available for free
without any subscriptions. If this is not the case then I think it's
criminal.

/Robert
[thinking maybe he should have taken this to (void)]




Re: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Ministry of Nefarious Research

They must make most of their money in tips.

- Original Message -
From: dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:17 AM
Subject: JOB: Anyone still looking?


bla
Perl progger required...
Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract
yak







Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:29:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
 From: "Dominic Mitchell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Dunno, but I sure hope the digital packages get a bit better than the
  current offerings otherwise I'll just switch off the telly and not turn
  it on again...
  -Dom (resents paying once for the license fee and again for the
 subscription)
 
 Hmm. I too am pissed off about this digital stuff, as the quality is worse
 than analogue TV. My measure of quality is uninterrupted viewing. I have yet
 to watch any digital TV where at some point the picture didn't pixelate or
 completely blank for a few seconds. I have an excellent Sony 100Hz TV, and
 cannot fault the picture. Why are we being forced down this digital route?
 Money I expect.
 
 But if you get a digital TV/receiver, surely BBC is available for free
 without any subscriptions. If this is not the case then I think it's
 criminal.

All the offers I've looked at so far have needed one to subscribe to at
least one "primary channel" as well as the free stuff.  Although maybe I
haven't looked at the fine print...

-Dom



Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
 Hmm. I too am pissed off about this digital stuff, as the quality is worse
 than analogue TV. My measure of quality is uninterrupted viewing. I have yet
 to watch any digital TV where at some point the picture didn't pixelate or
 completely blank for a few seconds. I have an excellent Sony 100Hz TV, and
 cannot fault the picture. Why are we being forced down this digital route?
 Money I expect.

Why else? Basically, it's a bit like the G3 phones, although we haven't
heard so much about the investment phase. Some companies poured huge
amounts of money into the research to do digital streaming (and various
forms of compression[1]. Now they want their investment back, but noone
will buy DigitalTV [2][3] unless they have no alternative. So they've
asked the government to make sure that there is no alternative.

[1] Of course compression/error-correcting pick one, hence the pixellation
etc.
[2] Whatever standard
[3] We aren't the US, and they misread the market. A large number of
British people are quite happy with the small number of channels,
because they appreciate that larger number of channels just means that
the good stuff is spread even more thinly.

 But if you get a digital TV/receiver, surely BBC is available for free
 without any subscriptions. If this is not the case then I think it's
 criminal.

Why? The digital TV is a one-off cost. The license is on-going. The
revenue from the digital TV/reciever doesn't go to the beeb.

Personally I don't mind funding the beeb, as long as the quality of
content they produce is high. I do object to funding random corporations
whose interests are to their shareholders...

 /Robert
 [thinking maybe he should have taken this to (void)]

No, it's "on-topic" for london.pm. :)

MBM

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Tony Bowden

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:37:31PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
 Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at 
 me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

 "And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
 you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
 in a programming match."

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Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote:
 Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then?
 
 Yes, but they're not installed by default. (I can't remember if the
 'BSD subsystem' is installed by default either though.) It comes on a
 seperate CD within the OS X shrinkwrap box- you also get OS 9 and OS X
 base install.
 
 You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.
 
 http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/

Which is very nice. Or at least it was, back when it was NeXTSTEP. 

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:29:03AM +0100, Jon Galliers wrote:
 I know you're all probably bored with this, but I was even more bored and 
 checked out the site further
 
  (Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is quite,
  um, entertaining ...)
 
 Not bad for a 13 year old though

Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I get is
the title image.

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Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
 Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
   Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more.  I think
   even vim can do it now, too.
  
  Never noticed that! I normally edit my code in emacs and do the compiling
  on the command line in another term, never got too comfortable with doing
  everything in xemacs.
 
 Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the
 reason I started using emacs in the first place.

And then there's M-X grep which also works in a simliar manner, jumping
to hits from grep results...

-Dom



RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:58 AM

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:29:03AM +0100, Jon Galliers wrote:
  I know you're all probably bored with this, but I was even more bored
and 
  checked out the site further
  
  (Although "Chris"'s website http://storedscripts.virtualave.net/ is
quite,
  um, entertaining ...)
  
  Not bad for a 13 year old though
 
 Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I get is
 the title image.

Yeah. It doesn't work at all in Netscape. Works in IE tho'. That generally
means that the tables are broken somewhere along the line.

Dave...

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Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:56:51AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
 Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.
  
  http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/
 
 Which is very nice. Or at least it was, back when it was NeXTSTEP. 

I had a little play with it last night, and it's still not bad.  Only
supports C/C++/Java though.  I can't figger out how to get the Interface
Builder to work with my project, so will have to read the docs.

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Ian Brayshaw

Dave Cantrell wrote:

Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I
get is the title image.

Got to love badly formed HTML (probably a missing /table tag or two). ... 
And I thought he was an "master". ... Oops, sorry, that was only in "PERL", 
not HTML.

(... Mind you, it all looks lovely(?) and dandy(?) under IE ... you've got 
to love the "near enough is good enough" approach of M$ ...)


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Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
 Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the
 reason I started using emacs in the first place.

And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:37:31PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
  Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real go at
  me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

  "And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
  you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
  in a programming match."


I think I should take him up on it - who said life was fair :)

I guess you lot count as 'any supporter'.

/J\




RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:19 AM

 Dave Cantrell wrote:
 
 Hmmm ... if 'not working at all' is the same as 'not bad'.  All I
 get is the title image.
 
 Got to love badly formed HTML (probably a missing /table tag or two).
... 
 And I thought he was an "master". ... Oops, sorry, that was only in
"PERL", 
 not HTML.

Running the page thru an HTML validator is an interesting experience.

http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstoredscripts
.virtualave.net%2Finput=yes

And, yes, towards the end it says: 

Line 146, character 111: 
... ogramming All Rights Reserved
 ^
Error: end tag for TABLE omitted; possible causes include a missing end tag,
improper nesting of elements, or use of an element where it is not allowed

Which will cause all of the table to be invisible in Netscape.

Dave...

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:26:52AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

   "And I can program better than you any day of the week. Bring it on if
   you want a challange. I will totally blow you and any supporter away
   in a programming match."
 
 I think I should take him up on it - who said life was fair :)

Can I be the impartial adjudicator?  Oh please!

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago.
 Simon mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and
 seemed uncomfortable with me being there.
 
 
 Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real
 go at me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
 
 
 http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453

Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...

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Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Hmm. I too am pissed off about this digital stuff, as the quality is worse
 than analogue TV. My measure of quality is uninterrupted viewing. I have yet
 to watch any digital TV where at some point the picture didn't pixelate or
 completely blank for a few seconds. I have an excellent Sony 100Hz TV, and
 cannot fault the picture. Why are we being forced down this digital route?
 Money I expect.

digital tv takes less bandwidth 

 
 But if you get a digital TV/receiver, surely BBC is available for free
 without any subscriptions. If this is not the case then I think it's
 criminal.
 

it is

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RE: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:34 AM

 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago.
  Simon mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and
  seemed uncomfortable with me being there.
  
  
  Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real
  go at me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
  
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
 
 Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...

The concept of locking is so far beyond the grasp of these people that I
conveniently ignored it :)

Dave...

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Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Shiels

- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Byng-Maddick" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Personally I don't mind funding the beeb, as long as the quality of
 content they produce is high. I do object to funding random corporations
 whose interests are to their shareholders...

Sorry, I don't mind funding the BBC either, I think I get very good value
for money at the moment, it's worth it for Radio4 alone. What I object to is
paying twice, which is what would be happening if I paid a monthly
subscription to see the digital BBC channels that nobody actually wants[1].
I am annoyed that I am now paying for this digital stuff indirectly, and I
can't watch it. I'm going to go to the BBC website and gripe some more about
this :-)

/Robert

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JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.

Note: It's MSB, so normal caveats apply.

Dave...

=

Dave,

The following is a full spec, Please distribute as widely as possible as I
am very keen to find the right candidate.

Spec :

Opportunity has arisen within clients Credit Risk area. Looking for
experienced analyst/programmer to design and develop functions within the
credit application. The application is a strategic credit-monitoring server
for the client, in production in Europe and North America. It is also about
to be upgraded to support recent accusation.

Server implemented on Sybase database, using a mixture of shell scripts,
perl, C and C++.

Major design and development work remains to enhance its functionality and
integrate with all other risk systems, plus on-going production
support/enhancements.

The role will involve all aspects of the software development life cycle,
such as developing technical specifications, coding, tuning and preparing
code for release and testing.

Skills required :

Essential
Perl Application (i.e. used Perl to write applications, not as a scripting
language or Web development). Preferably with knowledge of Perl's OO
features.
General OO knowledge
Sybase, T-SQL
Unix as a platform.

Desirable
C/C++
Banking knowledge.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Robert Lawton
Sybase Associate
0208 315 9386
07930 550 179
www.msb.com
MSB International PLC
Hanover Place
8 Ravensbourne Road
Bromley
BR1 1HP

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Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Leo Lapworth

I'm glad to say I am now employed *cheer*.

Was a rather nice birthday present to get today.

Anyway, probably see you folks tonight.

Leo



Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: "Greg McCarroll" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   But if you get a digital TV/receiver, surely BBC is available for free
   without any subscriptions. If this is not the case then I think it's
   criminal.
  
 
  it is
 
 I can read that two ways, do you mean it is free, or it is criminal.

sorry,

 it is free

 if I'm being dim. I think you mean that it is free. So I need a digital
 receiver, like those ondigital things, and that's all. Wonder how much they
 cost.

hard to say they are normally given free if you subscribe to one
premier channel

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Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:33:53AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
  http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
 
 Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...

Ha ha, we both just posted simultaneously  -- I think between our
posts we should have *that* problem sorted. Amazing, in retrospect,
how ludicrously complex it all is. (Welcome to Unix, thanks for
grep'ing, have a nice day. [WTUTFGHAND])

Paul



Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:01:10PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote:
 I'm glad to say I am now employed *cheer*.
 
 Was a rather nice birthday present to get today.

"Congratulations" x 2!

 Leo

Funny name for an Aries :-) Oh well, fire sign all the same.

Paul, 10th Apr.



Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:06:02PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 hard to say [BBC channels] are normally given free if you subscribe to one
 premier channel

If your telly has a built-in digital decoder, then the BBC channels will
be free, and you won't need cable or a satellite dish.

IANABBCE and IANADTVE

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Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread jo walsh


 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.

 Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?

i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a
little while... will talk about it a bit tonight, and happy to accept
suggestions and offers of tweaks for it. nothing to see at the moment,
though :/

jo





RE: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:05 PM

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.
 
 Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?

We're creating a london.pm jobs database. Jo will be talking about it
tonight.

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Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread David Irvine


  
   you can write code in emacs?
  
  Apparently if you install enough major modes you
 can even edit text in
  it... ;)

Theres a nasty rumor going about that its really just
a mail client.

D


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Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Mison

On 19/04/2001 at 13:04 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.

Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?

There's a fairly long standing and, from what I remember, well
respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys
you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a
lot.

Of course, if anyone is doing this they'll be missing this thread too...

--
:: paul
:: how fickle fate can be





Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:38:44PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
 There's a fairly long standing and, from what I remember, well
 respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys
 you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a
 lot.

Ah, bingo. Thanks.

 Of course, if anyone is doing this they'll be missing this thread too...

But if they're already doing it, they know about it, so it doesn't matter.

-- 
Within a computer, natural language is unnatural.



Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:56:51AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
  Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.
   
   http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/
  
  Which is very nice. Or at least it was, back when it was NeXTSTEP. 
 
 I had a little play with it last night, and it's still not bad.  Only
 supports C/C++/Java though.  I can't figger out how to get the Interface
 Builder to work with my project, so will have to read the docs.

Works with Objective C too. Which is still (for my money) the best way
of messing with the NeXTSTEP object model. 

-- 
Piers




Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
  Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the
  reason I started using emacs in the first place.
 
 And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb

Oh, yes, baby. And M-x ediff and friends are pretty good fun too.
Especially when you're playing with revision control stuff, makes
integration almost fun.

-- 
Piers




Re: The Natives are Revolting

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:34 AM
 
  Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   Remember the Liz Castro BBS that I was talking about a few weeks ago.
   Simon mentioned that a couple of the natives were getting restless and
   seemed uncomfortable with me being there.
   
   
   Well, one of them has finally snapped and is currently having a real
   go at me. If you want to take a look, read the thread that starts at:
   
   http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4453
  
  Shame your solution ignored the locking problem...
 
 The concept of locking is so far beyond the grasp of these people that I
 conveniently ignored it :)

There is that. Actually, I'm considering downloading the source of the
web board software that's being used and doing a hatchet job of a code
review on it. Maybe it'll surprise me and be well written...

-- 
Piers




Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Neil Ford

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:33:59PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:06:02PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
  hard to say [BBC channels] are normally given free if you subscribe to one
  premier channel
 
 If your telly has a built-in digital decoder, then the BBC channels will
 be free, and you won't need cable or a satellite dish.
 
 IANABBCE and IANADTVE
 
 but possibly not by the time the whole UK has gone digital 

Don't be suprised if by then the abolishment of the licence fee hasn't been
announced and that the BBC hasn't announced subscription charges for it's
services. Better that than the Beeb starts carrying ads.

The BBC are definitely working towards the licence fee being withdrawn at some
point by some government (hence all the curfuffle over ads on bbc.com), so
alternative forms of financing will need to be sort.

The above is of course conjecture on my part (I'm not Greg Dyke) but is based
on knowledge gained during the BBC's recent acquisition of certain assets of
a certain dot.com. :-)

How this would work with radio I have no idea.

Neil.



BBC was Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Steve Mynott


Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Don't be suprised if by then the abolishment of the licence fee hasn't been
 announced and that the BBC hasn't announced subscription charges for it's
 services. Better that than the Beeb starts carrying ads.

Politically the BBC has been lucky with its licence fee.  There was
some discussion about abolishing it in the early 1980s under Thatcher
but its been off the political agenda since then.  The election of
Labour must have been a relief for them.

As for the "Beeb" carrying ads, well it has done this for several
years on its web site which was setup with ICL

http://www.beeb.net/

(this is the "Beeb" in the sense of "beeb Ventures Ltd", a subsidiary
of BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm of the BBC.)  Of course few
outside the corporation itself realise that "Beeb" is actually the
brandname of a profit making company with online shopping.

The BBC proper of course actually carries adverts on television for
its own commercial products like "Radio Times" and even political
adverts supporting the way its financed ("its the unique way .. blah
blah").  

But it doesn't carry adverts for anyone else.
 
 The BBC are definitely working towards the licence fee being withdrawn at some
 point by some government (hence all the curfuffle over ads on bbc.com), so
 alternative forms of financing will need to be sort.

The BBC is pragmatic enough to realise that long-term the licence fee
will probably go.

It's the how and when that are interesting!

-- 
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RE: Tech mtg - AAarrrgghh

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Peterson

It's just occured to me that today is the day that I have to move all my
belongings out of my desk and back home. That's about half a bookshelf, a
complete change of clothes and a bottle of tequila (and that's just my
bottom draw).

This is incompatible with travelling to State51 tonight :-(

Any chance of slides etc being posted to the web site? If we could get
something in the way of a summary of our technical meetings on the site, it
would not only help people who can't make the meetings, but would show to
the world what great things we do...




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Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Rob Partington

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:03:33PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Obviously, from the bottom line this is a bit of a no-brainer. But this
 leaves us having to copy files over to a PC, unencrypt them, and copy them
 back to the Unix machine. Which I'd like to avoid.

Wouldn't be so bad if you're using Samba to share the Unix files.
-- 
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Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 PGP isn't free for commerical use. You're supposed to buy a license. When
 our purchasing department here approached NAI to buy one, they were told the
 the Unix (server) version was £27,000 and the Windows version was £657.
 
 Obviously, from the bottom line this is a bit of a no-brainer. But this
 leaves us having to copy files over to a PC, unencrypt them, and copy them
 back to the Unix machine. Which I'd like to avoid.
 
 Has anyone else had experience buying PGP? Do those prices sound sane to
 you?
 
 Dave...
 
 p.s. And don't suggest GPG. That's been ruled out by the PTBs for reasons
 that I may well rant on tonight.

umm ... since a) gpg with the gpgpgp ( or is it pgpgpg?) wrapper seem (in
my application at least, to perform the same task with the same
commands on pgp encrypted messages, and b) its not your money, then I'd
tell em to stump up the cash and pay for it.

Sadly I won't be there to hear your rant ... but I can guess the general
idea ;)

actually with the recent departure of Phil Zimmerman  from NAI and his 'I
can guarntee you that there is no back door in the products ... up to this
date' speech and NAI stating it won't release source code for future
versions I'm surprised you'd actually want to use pgp instead of gpg ..
but hey .. you said 'And don't suggest GPG' so I wont ;))

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



RE: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Rob Partington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:22 PM

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:03:33PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  Obviously, from the bottom line this is a bit of a no-brainer. But this
  leaves us having to copy files over to a PC, unencrypt them, and copy
them
  back to the Unix machine. Which I'd like to avoid.
 
 Wouldn't be so bad if you're using Samba to share the Unix files.

Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with Samba. The Unix
box in question is running AIX.

Dave...

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RE: Tech mtg - AAarrrgghh

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:10 AM

 It's just occured to me that today is the day that I have to move all my
 belongings out of my desk and back home. That's about half a bookshelf, a
 complete change of clothes and a bottle of tequila (and that's just my
 bottom draw).
 
 This is incompatible with travelling to State51 tonight :-(
 
 Any chance of slides etc being posted to the web site? If we could get
 something in the way of a summary of our technical meetings on the site,
it
 would not only help people who can't make the meetings, but would show to
 the world what great things we do...

That sounds like a great idea. Now, all we need in someone to organise it.

Did you say you weren't busy for the next couple of weeks :)

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next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Struan Donald

Noticed on my way past the news stands last night that the next tube
strike is pencilled in for May the 3rd, as is the next social
meeting.  OK, so the strike might not happen but if it does is this 
not going to make the next social meeting a bit problematic?

just a thought.

Struan



Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Steve Mynott

Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Noticed on my way past the news stands last night that the next tube
 strike is pencilled in for May the 3rd, as is the next social
 meeting.  OK, so the strike might not happen but if it does is this 
 not going to make the next social meeting a bit problematic?

why don't you have the social meeting a day earlier so that everyone
can "work from home" with their hangovers the following day?

-- 
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love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence.  -- h. l. mencken



Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 PGP isn't free for commerical use. You're supposed to buy a license.
 When our purchasing department here approached NAI to buy one, they
 were told the the Unix (server) version was 27,000 and the Windows
 version was 657.

Stick it on a Win2K box. Stick ActivePerl, PerlScript and IIS on
there. Write a PerlISAPI (or whatever the IIS equivalent of that is)
script to accept a file and pass phrase over an SSL link and return
(over the SSL link) the unencrypted file.

On the Unix side, write your funky commandline script to use the IIS
box as an RPC server via IIS/SOAP/whatever. For bonus points, write it
so that it's commandline equivalent to PGP and will just drop in as a
replacement... 

Thumb your nose at NAI. Sorted.

-- 
Piers




Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread James Powell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:48:04PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
 Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Noticed on my way past the news stands last night that the next tube
  strike is pencilled in for May the 3rd, as is the next social
  meeting.  OK, so the strike might not happen but if it does is this 
  not going to make the next social meeting a bit problematic?
 
 why don't you have the social meeting a day earlier so that everyone
 can "work from home" with their hangovers the following day?
 

like the quotes on "work from home" - one of the great euphemisms of our time.


jp



Re: BBC was Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Don't be suprised if by then the abolishment of the licence fee hasn't been
  announced and that the BBC hasn't announced subscription charges for it's
  services. Better that than the Beeb starts carrying ads.
 
 Politically the BBC has been lucky with its licence fee.  There was
 some discussion about abolishing it in the early 1980s under Thatcher
 but its been off the political agenda since then.  The election of
 Labour must have been a relief for them.

umm ... thats not quite true. The BBC has had quite a hard time of it
over the last  few years. In order to have its charter renewed in 199X it
had to undergo a series of reforms that basically tore the guts out of
it.  The sale of it transmision facilities and the moving of all its
'hardware' to BBC Resources Ltd are all as a result of that process. Over
the last 10 years its been a constant battle to try and maintain the
service. Every licence fee review (and they happen more often than
you might think) seems to involve more reforms being demanded from
government in order to approve this years fees.  

The licence fee has been subject to modest rises basically either in line
or slightly behind inflation. In an arena where the cost of broadcasting
is actually increasing at a rate somewhat above inflation this leaves an
ever increasing gap in the finances. This, coupled with a legal
requirement to have 25% of its programmes produced by external companies
(who typically cost 20% more than producing the same programme in house)
place further stresses on the budgets, leaving little money for in house
productions.

I think it likely that the licence fee will go. It would be a popular
move with the Great Unwashed. ( who seem happy to spend 400 quid a year
on a Sky subscription ), so I can see the BBC being released from its
licence fee. This would have huge knock-ons in the commercial TV world.
The advertising cake is only so big, if the BBC suddenly started taking
adverts then I doubt many of the commercial stations would appreciate the
50% drop in revenue. Assuming the BBC could decure 50% of the current TV
advertising cake they would be significantly better off than they are
now. 

Personally I would rather pay a licence fee and have a (largely)
independent public service broadcaster than yet another commercial
station that can't say various things in case it upsets a major
advertiser. YMMV

Several areas of the BBC have been split off into 'wholly owned, self
financing subsidiaries' that can compete against other players in the
market. this is not hugely popular with other players in the market, but
you can expect to see it start to flex its muscles a little more over the
next few years.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Struan Donald

* at 19/04 15:04 +0100 dcross - David Cross said:
 From: Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:48 PM
 
  Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   Noticed on my way past the news stands last night that the next tube
   strike is pencilled in for May the 3rd, as is the next social
   meeting.  OK, so the strike might not happen but if it does is this 
   not going to make the next social meeting a bit problematic?
  
  why don't you have the social meeting a day earlier so that everyone
  can "work from home" with their hangovers the following day?
 
 You mean hold a meeting that's not on a Thursday. Hmm... interesting
 concept. I'm not sure that the rules cater for that possibility.
 
 Let me think about. Might need an EGM this evening. Hope we're quorate.

Dunno, don't the strikes tend to start the evening before the day[1]? I'd
be wary of holding in any time round the 3rd.

struan

[1] or the evening of the second to be less confusing



RE: Tech mtg - AAarrrgghh

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Peterson


 That sounds like a great idea. Now, all we need in someone to
 organise it.

 Did you say you weren't busy for the next couple of weeks :)

[apologies if this message gets sent twice, there's summat funny going on]

If the powers that be give my penderel account the necessary privs to alter
the site then I will organise.

Note that this email will expire tomorrow and I'll be reachable at either
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Optimistic people can email me the their slides / notes / pictures and I
will convert / HTML-ise / upload as one big tarball as necessary.




Re: BBC was Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Piers Cawley

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I think it likely that the licence fee will go. It would be a popular
 move with the Great Unwashed. ( who seem happy to spend 400 quid a year
 on a Sky subscription ), so I can see the BBC being released from its
 licence fee. This would have huge knock-ons in the commercial TV world.
 The advertising cake is only so big, if the BBC suddenly started taking
 adverts then I doubt many of the commercial stations would appreciate the
 50% drop in revenue. Assuming the BBC could decure 50% of the current TV
 advertising cake they would be significantly better off than they are
 now. 
 
 Personally I would rather pay a licence fee and have a (largely)
 independent public service broadcaster than yet another commercial
 station that can't say various things in case it upsets a major
 advertiser. YMMV

I'd be happy to pay a 400/year voluntary sub for a BBC with no
adverts during programs. I'd probably be prepared to put up with
adverts between programs a la FilmFour. But if they ever start running
ads on Radio 4 then they can whistle for my money.

But for that they're going to have to stop producing so much crap. I
want more stuff of the quality of Clocking Off and Walk On By, and
less of the vets in kitchens making your home look horrible cheap
shit. 

-- 
Piers, who can't remember the last time he watched anything on ITV.




tech meet at state51

2001-04-19 Thread alex


looking forward to the meeting...

just thought i'd mention that although last time i said there wouldn't be
beer and there was, this time there really won't be beer...  no time to
organise it i'm afraid.

but please feel free to bring your own :)

cheers

alex

-- 
here they come   lalalalala la   lalalalala la   the part time punks




Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, jo walsh wrote:


  On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
   This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank.
 
  Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs?

 i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a
 little while...

How can you inadvertently hack ?

/J\




RE: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Matthew Jones

 How can you inadvertently hack ?

"I'll just quickly knock a little something together to do task X ... hmmm,
actually, wouldn't it be cool if it could also do task Y, just for
convenience sake ... hmm, that works, but I'm sure it could work
stronger/faster/better than before ... "

And so on until it's suddenly 5am and you're out of Red Bull.

-- 
matt | credo 



Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Philip Newton

dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with 
 Samba.

Why? Because it's open software (or whatever they call themselves)?

Can't you call it an "Enterprise cross-platform file sharing solution" or
something like that? And get a company to support it?

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread jo walsh


  i've been inadvertently hacking on a web-based forum for this stuff for a
  little while...

 How can you inadvertently hack ?

at a scattiness load as consistently high as mine has been lately, it's
hard to do many things advertently
consider yourself warned :)

z




Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:12:57PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 Can't you call it an "Enterprise cross-platform file sharing solution" or
 something like that?

So is Napster.

-- 
DEC diagnostics would run on a dead whale.
-- Mel Ferentz



Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16

2001-04-19 Thread AEF



On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
 Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-16:
 
 Greg McCarroll asked about online brokers, Robert and

 :)

 Tony




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Wistow

Simon Wistow wrote:
 
 This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London

*cough*

Frscking, sucking, send shortcuts in netscape.

Apologies.



Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Mike Wyer

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

On Thursday, April 19, 2001, at 03:37  PM, dcross - David Cross wrote:

 Hmmm... You're assuming that Perl Mongers use public transport. I
 thought we
 all swanned about in taxis and limos.

I recommend public camels. Maybe now would be the time for a trip to the
zoo.

Camels are quite hard to see at London Zoo at the moment, owing to the
foot 'n mouth situation. I was there a couple of weeks back, and the
heffalump house was shut. The penguins ain't bad, though.

Cheers,
Mike
-- 
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Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:40:02PM +0100, Mike Wyer wrote:
 Camels are quite hard to see at London Zoo at the moment, owing to the
 foot 'n mouth situation. I was there a couple of weeks back, and the
 heffalump house was shut. The penguins ain't bad, though.

Last time I saw penguins at a zoo, they shat everywhere and stank to
high heaven.  Bah.  Core-dumping fiends.

If we're going to a zoo, I want to see the giraffes.

-Dom (Giraffe!  Or else I'll cry!)



Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Marcel Grunauer


On Thursday, April 19, 2001, at 05:40  PM, Mike Wyer wrote:


 I recommend public camels. Maybe now would be the time for a trip to 
 the
 zoo.

 Camels are quite hard to see at London Zoo at the moment, owing to the
 foot 'n mouth situation. I was there a couple of weeks back, and the
 heffalump house was shut. The penguins ain't bad, though.

So you recommend to piggyback a penguin (penguinback?) to get to the 
meeting in time?

Marcel

--
We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt to
service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile.
  -- London.pm strategy aka "embrace and extend" aka "mark and sweep"



RE: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Mike Wyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:40 PM

 Camels are quite hard to see at London Zoo at the moment, owing to the
 foot 'n mouth situation. I was there a couple of weeks back, and the
 heffalump house was shut. The penguins ain't bad, though.

Ooh. Thanks. I think you jsut wrote my camel visitation report for tonight
:)

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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 Simon Wistow wrote:
 
  This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
^^

 *cough*

 Frscking, sucking, send shortcuts in netscape.

 Apologies.


I guess it was inevitable really 

/J\




Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Mike Wyer

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:40:02PM +0100, Mike Wyer wrote:
 Camels are quite hard to see at London Zoo at the moment, owing to the
 foot 'n mouth situation. I was there a couple of weeks back, and the
 heffalump house was shut. The penguins ain't bad, though.

Last time I saw penguins at a zoo, they shat everywhere and stank to
high heaven.  Bah.  Core-dumping fiends.

That's exactly what I meant! ;)

If we're going to a zoo, I want to see the giraffes.

-Dom (Giraffe!  Or else I'll cry!)

Yup- you can see them if they bother wandering outside of their own
accord. Stuck-up long-necked bastards that they are.

The okapi was much better (think giraffe crossed with zebra with a
tongue any muff diver would kill for)

Cheers,
Mike (delurking cos there's bog-all else to do at the moment)
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RE: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Clyne, Richard

Bull have a web site with ready compiled samba binaries for AIX - just say
it comes from an AIX manufacturer...

-Original Message-
From: dcross - David Cross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 April 2001 14:27
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP


From: Rob Partington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:22 PM

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:03:33PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
  Obviously, from the bottom line this is a bit of a no-brainer. But this
  leaves us having to copy files over to a PC, unencrypt them, and copy
them
  back to the Unix machine. Which I'd like to avoid.
 
 Wouldn't be so bad if you're using Samba to share the Unix files.

Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with Samba. The Unix
box in question is running AIX.

Dave...

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RE: Tech mtg - AAarrrgghh

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Peterson


 That sounds like a great idea. Now, all we need in someone to
 organise it.

 Did you say you weren't busy for the next couple of weeks :)

If the powers that be give my penderel account the necessary privs to alter
the site then I will organise.

Note that this email will expire tomorrow and I'll be reachable at either
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Optimistic people can email me the their slides / notes / pictures and I
will convert / HTML-ise / upload as one big tarball as necessary.





Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16

2001-04-19 Thread Greg McCarroll

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

 This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
 Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-16:
 
 Greg McCarroll asked about online brokers, Robert and
 

*GUNSHOT*

*queue eastenders theme track* ( or dallas if you really want )

voice_over

Tune in next week to find out who shot Simon! Was it a Randal?
Was it the father of his ex-girlfriend? Was it a crazed YAPC::Europe
organiser remembering the aniversary of PIMB fiasco? 

/voice_over



-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Barbie

From: "Steve Mynott" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 why don't you have the social meeting a day earlier so that everyone
 can "work from home" with their hangovers the following day?

That would work for me. I might be able to get down to London more often.
Being in charge of baby while missus goes off practicing with her band can
be a pain sometimes.

Barbie





Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16

2001-04-19 Thread Mark Fowler

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
 
  This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
  Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-16:
 
  Greg McCarroll asked about online brokers, Robert and
 

 *GUNSHOT*

 *queue eastenders theme track* ( or dallas if you really want )

 voice_over

 Tune in next week to find out who shot Simon! Was it a Randal?
 Was it the father of his ex-girlfriend? Was it a crazed YAPC::Europe
 organiser remembering the aniversary of PIMB fiasco?

 /voice_over

Oh don't start that again.  I had enough of that last time round.

Later.

Mark Fowler.




Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, you wrote:

 The okapi was much better 

nahh .. okapi are ok ish .. but Tapir are my favourite. I want a Tapir. I
reckon I could house it in an old stable and so long as I put a decent
fence around an acre or so it would be happy.

if anyone knows of one going for a reasonable price secondhand, give me a
shout will ya :)

--  
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



What time tonight ?

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Wilcox

What time is the technical meeting starting tonight ?

Simon.




RE: What time tonight ?

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Wilcox

At 17:37 19/04/2001 +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
From: Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:38 PM

  What time is the technical meeting starting tonight ?

oh. um. well. let's say 7:00pm. how does that sound?

Good. Almost got stuck here but have finally tracked down a bug I've been 
chasing all day so I shall be there.

(The bug being that File::Copy from 5.005_03 doesn't work under mod_perl if 
you have PerlFreshRestart On. Silly me !)

See you all later.

Simon.




Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:12:20PM +0100, Mike Wyer wrote:
 The okapi was much better (think giraffe crossed with zebra with a
 tongue any muff diver would kill for)

Do they have bonobo? I thought bonobo were the generic sexual zoo inhabitant.

-- 
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."
(By [EMAIL PROTECTED])



Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Mike Wyer

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:12:20PM +0100, Mike Wyer wrote:
 The okapi was much better (think giraffe crossed with zebra with a
 tongue any muff diver would kill for)

Do they have bonobo? I thought bonobo were the generic sexual zoo inhabitant.

Nope. All very respectable, sadly. No bonobos at all, and all the other
apes and monkeys were very well behaved.
They _did_ have some pygmy marmosets that were grooming each other, but
that was just cute rather than seedy.

Star of the whole place was the Slow Loris: koala, sloth, bushbaby type
thing. Very popular with female company.

Cheers,
Mike
-- 
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http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~mw ||  Gaspode the Wonder Dog
Work:  +44 020 7594 8440||
Mobile: +44 07879 697119||  ICQ: 43922064




Re: BBC was Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:42:48PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
 
 I'd be happy to pay a 400/year voluntary sub for a BBC with no
 adverts during programs. 

...

 But for that they're going to have to stop producing so much crap. I
 want more stuff of the quality of Clocking Off and Walk On By, and
 less of the vets in kitchens making your home look horrible cheap
 shit. 

Make them start producing Doctor Who again, while you're at it...

dha
-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
My theory is that his ignorance clouded his poor judgement.
- Alice, in Dilbert's office



Re: BBC was Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Make them start producing Doctor Who again, while you're at it...
 

If they do start doing Doctor Who again it will have a finite lifespan,
is he not near the maximum number or lives a timelord can regenerate?

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: BBC was Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 07:31:59PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  Make them start producing Doctor Who again, while you're at it...
  
 
 If they do start doing Doctor Who again it will have a finite lifespan,
 is he not near the maximum number or lives a timelord can regenerate?

Nah.  He's only up to his 8th incarnation.  he's got 13.  Also,
depending on how you look at things, he may be a special case.

[note: this does not take the comic relief special as canon...]

dha
-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Well (s)he is only a type of deer after all so its particularly
spectacular to have learnt English from only 'A Stranger in a Strange
Land' and 'A Clockwork Orange'  - Jonathan Stowe in c.l.p.misc
(It was even better *in* context... :-)



Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Chris Heathcote

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:03:20 +0100 (BST), Mike Wyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Nope. All very respectable, sadly. No bonobos at all, and all the other
apes and monkeys were very well behaved.

Last time I went, the prarie dogs had gone. I was not amused.

c.
-- 
 every day, computers are making people easier to use

   http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com



Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Chris Benson

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:34:02AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: "Matthew Byng-Maddick" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Personally I don't mind funding the beeb, as long as the quality of
  content they produce is high. I do object to funding random corporations
  whose interests are to their shareholders...
 
 Sorry, I don't mind funding the BBC either, I think I get very good value
 for money at the moment, it's worth it for Radio4 alone. What I object to is
 paying twice, which is what would be happening if I paid a monthly
 subscription to see the digital BBC channels that nobody actually wants[1].

Hear, Hear! I don't mind funding the BBC either, but I won't pay for a 
TV license when I don't have a TV:


**BRING BACK THE RADIO LICENSE**


 I am annoyed that I am now paying for this digital stuff indirectly, and I
 can't watch it. I'm going to go to the BBC website and gripe some more about
 this :-)

Of course when Demon Internet finally sort out my Premier Connect Plus
subscription I'll go to the BBC website and listen to Radio4 for free
and feel even more guilty.

Actually I'll probably listen to www.todayfm.ie: 17:00-19:00 "Last Word"
with Eamon Dunfy? giving politicans a hard time, then at 19:00 to 22:00
"Pet Sounds" with Neil Dunn and 22:00 onwards "Into the Night".  (or on
Sunday nights "Dad Rock" - sounds of the '70s :-)

-- 
Chris Benson -- waiting for the next round of letters accusing me of 
criminality because I don't have a TV license.   If anyone else is 
interested the directors of Envision Licensing Limited t/a TVLA are:
Nigel Howlett, Ms Kim Lambert, Jonathan Evans.  John Jack is the 
Chairman.  The registered address is Hardwick House, Prospect Place,
Swindon, SN1 3LJ.

I was planning to ask them all to prove that they were not paedophiles,
but the SO suggests this may be too outrageous and therefore ignored,
so I think I will instead offer them a buffet from:
/(paedophilia|(income |corporation )?tax fraud|software theft|patent infringement)/

This suggests to me that I should report the FAST to BSA for software 
license fraud and vice versa!  Wow, do you think I should patent that
idea??  Or maybe I should stop drinking.



Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Chris Benson

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:26:54PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
 Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with Samba. The Unix
 box in question is running AIX.

*Cough* several IBM people I've spoken to believe that IBM's
FastConnect(tm) "PC integration software for AIX" or whatever,  *is*
SAMBA ... and IBM were listed as supporters on the 2.x release notes
this week ...  (an the "IBM HTTP server" is Apache ...).

I wouldn't know because we've just mke2fs'd the last FAT filesystem in
the company :-)
-- 
Chris Benson



Re: JOB: Anyone still looking?

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Rate ca. 22k or equivalent for contract

Borrocks

/J\




Re: BtVS : Best Male

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

 On Thursday, April 19, 2001, at 02:59  AM, Greg McCarroll wrote:

  i seem to remember something about spike looking better with out his
  bleached hair look according to MG

 Practically everybody looks better without bleached hair.

I had bleached hair once and I looked gorgeous - mind I had pink hair once
as well ... :)

/J\




Belgian Art House Movies ( was Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm)

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On 19 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  * Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   Wednesday, April 18, 2001, 5:37:22 PM, David H. Adler wrote:
 Mike Jarvis wrote:
  CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz.
  
   DHA Clarification:  That's Freddie Prinz, Jr.  His father was the star of
   DHA Chico and the Man, a sitcom of, uh, mid-70s vintage, I think.  Don't
   DHA know if it ever made it across the water, though.
  
   Since Sr. is dead,
 
  Buffy always did dig dead guys...

 Dig _up_ dead guys?


What was that Belgian Art House movie of the eighties which started out
with the guy being taken the piss of as a teenager as a child because of
his acne and ends with him being arrested for stealing a corpse to have
his wicked way with ?

/J\




Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:43:09PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
   From: Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:30 PM
  
CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz.
  
   Why would that bother us? Remember, we're all Willow fans here.
 
  Heh.  A friend of mine just asked me if I was upset about this, and my
  response was similar...
 

 Just like Davina McCall she waited until i was married before she gave
 up and settled for second best!


Yeah, but the woman aint got no dress sense - she always appears on TV
with a stoat around her neck.

/J\




Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, AEF wrote:



 On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Martin Ling wrote:

  Hmm. I know someone who quite fancies Anya.

  Mmm. Anya.


You'd have to gag her first :)

/J\




Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

 Barbie wrote:
  The good thing about PPM is that it does all the installation
  for you. the bad thing is that it doesn't run any tests. Then
  again seeing as they've done the job of porting the package
  you'd hope it was tested at their end. At least that's what
  _I'm_ hoping.

 Yes. The PPM used to be really meagre with builds 5xx (5.005_**) but with
 6xx (5.6.*) the situation has improved. I believe they have some kind of
 semi-automated way of making PPMs from CPAN modules.


ExtUtils::MakeMaker has support for producing PPD stuff now - I guess this
came in with 5.6.0 ...

/J\




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

  segwayed

I dont think so Simon ...

/J\




Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Chris Benson wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:26:54PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 
  Hah! If I can't get them to use GPG, I have _no_ chance with Samba. The Unix
  box in question is running AIX.

 *Cough* several IBM people I've spoken to believe that IBM's
 FastConnect(tm) "PC integration software for AIX" or whatever,  *is*
 SAMBA ... and IBM were listed as supporters on the 2.x release notes
 this week ...  (an the "IBM HTTP server" is Apache ...).


I have a supsicion that SCO's 'VisionFS' is the same deal - or rather it
is a re-engineering of SMB or CIFS or whatever they want to call it ...

/J\




Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:46:03PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
 Works with Objective C too. Which is still (for my money) the best way
 of messing with the NeXTSTEP object model. 

s/best/only/

Paul



Re: BtVS : Best Male

2001-04-19 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, you wrote:

 I had bleached hair once and I looked gorgeous - mind I had pink hair once
 as well ... :)

another twenty years matey and you'll be posting :
" i had hair once ... " :))

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



RE: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:30 PM

 Noticed on my way past the news stands last night that the next tube
 strike is pencilled in for May the 3rd, as is the next social
 meeting.  OK, so the strike might not happen but if it does is this 
 not going to make the next social meeting a bit problematic?

Hmmm... You're assuming that Perl Mongers use public transport. I thought we
all swanned about in taxis and limos.

 just a thought.

And a good one. If the bastard bosses don't give in to the very reasonable
demands of our tube-driving comrades by early next week, then we'll
contemplate postponing it by a week.

Red Dave...

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RE: What time tonight ?

2001-04-19 Thread dcross - David Cross

From: Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:38 PM

 What time is the technical meeting starting tonight ?

oh. um. well. let's say 7:00pm. how does that sound?

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Re: What time tonight ?

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Shiels

I'm leaving now, chances are I'll be there 7.30-8 ish

see ya!
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- Original Message - 
From: dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2001 17:37
Subject: RE: What time tonight ?


 From: Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:38 PM
 
  What time is the technical meeting starting tonight ?
 
 oh. um. well. let's say 7:00pm. how does that sound?
 
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