Re: Company Name

2001-04-26 Thread Redvers Davies

 How did contractors here come up with the names for their companies, and can
 you think of anything with Shiels in the name that sounds good. I will
 mainly be doing SAP work, but hope to get other IT work too, so don't want
 SAP in the name.

Well, my company name is a description of what my company does:
Critical Integration Ltd;  I integrate critical systems.

The other stuff I do could have produced:
Random Perl Ltd.
EWIC Ltd.  (Encapsulate Workflow in Code)

I've always tried to avoid names which conjour up in the minds of customers
(or more importantly, the revenue) a small company.  So, Redvers Davies Ltd
or Name Based names were always out the window for me.


Red




Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Gareth Harper

Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I
was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who
was more familiar with the IT contracting business, as he was more suited to
much larger companies.

Thanks
Gareth Harper




Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robert Shiels

Where do you live?

DJ Adams recommended Menzies (www.menzies.co.uk) to me, and I went to see
them last night for the first time. They are going to set up my new company
for me too. They like IT contractors, and the partner I met with talked to
me for about 30 minutes on ways to avoid IR35 :-)

Very professional, I like them so far. Based in Kingston and have other
offices around Surrey.

On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account?

--
Robert


- Original Message -
From: Gareth Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 April 2001 09:09
Subject: Good Accountants


 Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I
 was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who
 was more familiar with the IT contracting business, as he was more suited
to
 much larger companies.

 Thanks
 Gareth Harper







Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 Where do you live?
 
 DJ Adams recommended Menzies (www.menzies.co.uk) to me, and I went to see
 them last night for the first time. They are going to set up my new company
 for me too. They like IT contractors, and the partner I met with talked to
 me for about 30 minutes on ways to avoid IR35 :-)

sound like a 'contractors accountant' .. mine (Lowson Ward in Birmingham)
do nothing other than accounting for contractors and know all the
relevant bits. Very often a 'general' accountant doesn't seem to know all
the little wrinkles that one who specialises in contractors does. Well
worth getting the right sort.

 Very professional, I like them so far. Based in Kingston and have other
 offices around Surrey.
 
 On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account?

Flemings Premier Banking
01708 713317

basically free for contractors (up to 20 cheques a month) and pay
interest. I got several hundred quid in intrest last year. Telephone
service and all that stuff.
most impressed .. and I do have other business acounts to comapre it to.
I would heartily recommend them. They are widely used by contractors.

 
 --
 Robert
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Gareth Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 26 April 2001 09:09
 Subject: Good Accountants
 
 
  Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I
  was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who
  was more familiar with the IT contracting business, as he was more suited
 to
  much larger companies.
 
  Thanks
  Gareth Harper
 
 
 
-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Greg Cope

Robin Szemeti wrote:
 
 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  Where do you live?
 
  DJ Adams recommended Menzies (www.menzies.co.uk) to me, and I went to see
  them last night for the first time. They are going to set up my new company
  for me too. They like IT contractors, and the partner I met with talked to
  me for about 30 minutes on ways to avoid IR35 :-)
 
 sound like a 'contractors accountant' .. mine (Lowson Ward in Birmingham)
 do nothing other than accounting for contractors and know all the
 relevant bits. Very often a 'general' accountant doesn't seem to know all
 the little wrinkles that one who specialises in contractors does. Well
 worth getting the right sort.
 
  Very professional, I like them so far. Based in Kingston and have other
  offices around Surrey.
 
  On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account?
 
 Flemings Premier Banking
 01708 713317
 
 basically free for contractors (up to 20 cheques a month) and pay
 interest. I got several hundred quid in intrest last year. Telephone
 service and all that stuff.
 most impressed .. and I do have other business acounts to comapre it to.
 I would heartily recommend them. They are widely used by contractors.
 

+1

the service I've found to be excellent, they call you sir on the phone
and sound like they mean it, quite shocking these day's.

Greg


 
  --
  Robert
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Gareth Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 26 April 2001 09:09
  Subject: Good Accountants
 
 
   Can any of you contractor types recoomend a good accountant, as the one I
   was using (a friend of the family) suggested that I use an accountant who
   was more familiar with the IT contracting business, as he was more suited
  to
   much larger companies.
  
   Thanks
   Gareth Harper
  
  
  
 --
 Robin Szemeti
 
 The box said requires windows 95 or better
 So I installed Linux!



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account?

Oxymoron.

I went with Barclays because they gave 12 months free banking and
could group the online banking with my personal accounts.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  recommended Menzies (www.menzies.co.uk) to me, and I went to see

  On a similar point, can anyone recommend a good business bank account?

 Flemings Premier Banking
 01708 713317
 basically free for contractors (up to 20 cheques a month) and pay
 interest. I got several hundred quid in intrest last year. Telephone
 service and all that stuff.
 most impressed .. and I do have other business acounts to comapre it to.
 I would heartily recommend them. They are widely used by contractors.

Interesting. Flemings was actually recommended to me by Menzies last night.
So my accountant is clueful on this too, which is encouraging. Thanks.

/Robert




Online Banking (was: Re: Good Accountants)

2001-04-26 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:49:34AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 I went with Barclays because they gave 12 months free banking and
 could group the online banking with my personal accounts.

On a side issue, do you know of any online banks that allow personal
accounts to download historical data?  I spent quite a while on Saturday
writing scripts to download statement data from lloydstsb.co.uk and then
discovered that it only went back about 2 statements.  Upon ring them up,
I was told that they were planning to introduce a feature that would let
you go back 4 or 5 statements or something equally pathetic.  *sigh*.

-Dom




Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:

  Flemings Premier Banking
  01708 713317
  
  basically free for contractors (up to 20 cheques a month) and pay
  interest. I got several hundred quid in intrest last year. Telephone
  service and all that stuff.
  most impressed .. and I do have other business acounts to comapre it to.
  I would heartily recommend them. They are widely used by contractors.
  
 
 +1
 
 the service I've found to be excellent, they call you sir on the phone
 and sound like they mean it, quite shocking these day's.

yup .. unlike most banks they seem to reallise that they are privileged
to be looking after your money for you. 

http://www.flemingbank.com/

crap website, but I think it sums em up.
-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!



Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23

2001-04-26 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:05:38PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 Jon Galliers asked about naming a file correctly when downloading from
 a CGI. Niklas Nordebo and Merijn Broeren provided solutions:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04654.html

Doh!  We entirely missed this:

http://www.mysql.com/news/article-57.html

Which links to (not sure if it's working right now):

http://technet.oracle.com/tech/migration/index.htm

Apparently Oracle do have a toolkit for migrating from MySQL.

-Dom



Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Ian Brayshaw wrote:
  Sorry to pollute this list with a question about Perl...
 
 Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy Buffy

snip

i tried to run this and it didn't do anything, please check
buffy-tized code before posting ;-)

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Houston

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:32:47AM +1000, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
  Sometimes, however, no recompilation is necessary, and so I'd like 
 to return a filehandle that evaluates to true (in the 'do file' sense of 
 evaluates)
 
 Is there a way to do this without creating a dummy file (i.e. can we do this 
 in memory)?

In bleadperl (and hence in the forthcoming 5.8) it's really easy to
do this. Just:

  sub true_filehandle {
my $true = 1;
open (my $fh, , \$true);
return $fh;
  }

In earlier perls, you'll need to make a tied filehandle:

package TrueHandle;
sub TIEHANDLE {
bless {};
}

sub READ {
my $self = shift;
return 0 if $self-{done} || $_[1] == 0;
substr($_[0], $_[2], 1) = 1;
$self-{done}=1;
return 1;
}

sub READLINE {
return if $self-{done};
$self-{done}=1;
return 1;
}

package main;
sub true_filehandle {
use Symbol;
my $fh = gensym();
tie *$fh, TrueHandle;
return $fh;
}


.robin.



Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Ian Brayshaw

From: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

So whats wrong with StatInc ?

OK, so StatINC will reload the module if the module source has changed. 
However, it's the handler I am pushing onto @INC that will generate the 
module source from a configuration file. If the configuration file changes, 
then the module needs to be regenerated and reloaded. I can't rely on a scan 
of %INC because the trigger for reloading the module is not the change of 
the module source, but the change in a secondary source.

Yes, one alternative would be to have a program monitor the configuration 
files and regenerate the modules whenever the configuration files change, 
but I'd prefer to have the regeneration occur when/if it is needed.

May be this will clarify what I'm trying to do (or let someone see where I 
have missed the boat):

sub generate_modules { .. }

use lib \generate_modules;

...

require Module;

Module.pm doesn't exist, but Module.conf does, and generate_modules() 
converts Module.conf into Module.pm which is then loaded.

Later, while the program is still running, Module.conf changes, and I'd like 
a further call to

require Module;

(after the change in Module.conf) to regenerate and reload Module.pm.

By removing an entry in %INC I can get require to call generate_modules() 
again, even though Module has already been loaded.

My original question was concerned with trying to stop the unnecessary 
recompilation of Module.pm that results when its entry in %INC is removed 
and

require Module;

is called, but there has been no change to the configuration file, and hence 
no need to regenerate or reload the .pm file.

I am trying to implement transparent module creation so that in the program 
I don't have to know about the configuration files, and can treat them as 
normal modules.

If none of this makes any clear sense then I'll disappear and think some 
more.

Thanks for your suggestions and patience.



Ian

(who should have paid more attention during his formative years to learn how 
people communicate effectively)
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Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Ian Brayshaw

Robin Houston wrote:

snip/

In earlier perls, you'll need to make a tied filehandle:

Thanks Robin. The TrueHandle package is essentially what I had implemented, 
but it's the internal workings of require that stop the tie from being 
honoured. I presume that the require burrows down into the internals and 
isn't aware that it's a tie'd handle. As far as I can tell the code within 
the require call is unaware that this handle is an object. If you place an 
AUTOLOAD method in TrueHandle instead of the READ and READLINE methods, only 
DESTROY is called.


Ian

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Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 
  http://www.flemingbank.com/
  
  crap website, but I think it sums em up.
 
 Yep, so crap that it gives nothing but a splash screen with no links on it
 whatsoever.  If that sums them up, then I want nothing to do with such
 manifest incompetence.

well apart from a crap website, they are a good very bank ...  personally
I'd rather they put their efforts into banking rather than web design ...
its just a fad after all.

Egg: have a good website .. and service at least as good as oh .. I
dunno .. BT?. .. easily.  The big diffrence is: when they do eventually
answer the phone they charge you 2.50. BT at least try and sell you
something before slapping a charge on.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:39:45AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 Flemings Premier Banking
 01708 713317

God help you if you put your company into dormancy however. Then they
get really arsey since you're not depositing huge amounts of cash into
it any more.

They unilaterally decided to close my account a few months back
effectively ruining my health insurance policy and delaying payments
to my accountants. The only way (at least with HSBC) of setting up a
new business acct is from a director or company secretary so I have
had to find one of those and send form 288a flying across the atlantic.

flemings--,

Paul



Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:17:01PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 Doh!  We entirely missed this:
 
 http://www.mysql.com/news/article-57.html

That's an amusing read! 'spos it legitimises us, but, but!

 Which links to (not sure if it's working right now):
 
 http://technet.oracle.com/tech/migration/index.htm
 
 Apparently Oracle do have a toolkit for migrating from MySQL.

They indeed do! And no spritely thing is it,

 Omwb_13100.tar.gz (62,918,457 bytes) 

That's so impressively big I guess I'll have to set up a full MySQL
hack just to test it :)

Paul



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 06:52:59PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 
  http://www.flemingbank.com/
  
  crap website, but I think it sums em up.
 
 Yep, so crap that it gives nothing but a splash screen with no links on it
 whatsoever.  If that sums them up, then I want nothing to do with such
 manifest incompetence.

And [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounces.  Oh dear.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest
 operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete



Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote:

 Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The first (PerlIO) method ought to work though, because PerlIO
 layers are lower-level than tied filehandles. So if you can
 use perl 5.7.1...

 Sure ... now all I have to do is convince my boss 5.7.1 is the best choice
 for a production environment ...


And hide the test failures if you are running on SCO OpenServer or
Unixware  (see p5p passim) :)

/J\




Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 07:13:50PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  
   http://www.flemingbank.com/
   
   crap website, but I think it sums em up.
  
  Yep, so crap that it gives nothing but a splash screen with no links on it
  whatsoever.  If that sums them up, then I want nothing to do with such
  manifest incompetence.
 
 well apart from a crap website, they are a good very bank ...  personally
 I'd rather they put their efforts into banking rather than web design ...
 its just a fad after all.

Yeah, but only testing it on one browser, ignoring the - what, 30%? - that
don't use IE - that's kinda silly.  And unprofessional.  Sure, the bank
no doubt subcontracted the work to some numijahors, but that they accepted
and launched it like that does raise concerns about their quality control.

I did go on to look at it using IE, for I know that first impressions can
be misleading, and the site still sucks - it's hard to find any way of
getting feedback to them electronically, for example - but if using IE, it
doesn't suck much more than any other corporate site.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest
 operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:02:48PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 Yeah, but only testing it on one browser, ignoring the - what, 30%? - that
 don't use IE - that's kinda silly.  And unprofessional.  Sure, the bank

Anything that displays in IE will display fine in Opera. Mozilla
is OK.  Netscape 4.x deserves to have sites intentionally break it
(ooh, tricky, miss a closing table tag!) because it is shit  must die.

 I did go on to look at it using IE, for I know that first impressions can

I share your pain. It has this utterly obnoxious browser-resize
to full screen even though it's designed for a fixed size viewing
area! Retards!

Try http://www.hsbc.co.uk/

Paul



Re: Buffy? .. naah .. wait till you see this

2001-04-26 Thread Chris Devers

At 09:19 PM 2001.04.26 +0100, you wrote:
amusing:

http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm

Cousin site to http://www.c-cup.com/, which seems to be down at the moment. 

Typical example: Charisma Carpenter Guide to Selected Linux Software
http://www.c-cup.com/linux/software-that-works.html
(http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.c-cup.com/linux/software-that-works.html)




--
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: Re: Review of Data munging with Perl on Slashdot

2001-04-26 Thread Dave Cross


From: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4/26/01 9:30:01 PM

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Niklas Nordebo wrote:

 Gets a 9, apparently.

 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/26/1229238mode=thread


For $deities sake dont tell Dave ...

Too late!

Dave...
[feeling smug]
-- 
http://www.dave.org.uk

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one,
he said. But still they come.







Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:

 Anything that displays in IE will display fine in Opera. Mozilla
 is OK.  Netscape 4.x deserves to have sites intentionally break it
 (ooh, tricky, miss a closing table tag!) because it is shit  must die.

depends dunnit ...

on the one hand i _almost_ like IE as it displays images as they load and
doesn't wait unitl it has em all b4 showing you the page (unless width
and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it
handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7 OTOH its so far from being
standards compliant it must die.  its bloatware taken to new levels. what
is it? 75mb+ .. for a web browser .. ? and thats even though theyve
hidden half of it in whats laughingly reffered to as a kernel!

I like nutscrape for setting stuff up with because it is a bit picky ...
it does fall over on errors and thats what you want for quick 'almost
right on the first pass' stuff .. then you feed it through
validator.w3c.org and its done innit. What would be nice would be a
nutscrape-alike that put colored blobs or somesuch where errors were..
with hyperlinks to details of the error ... ;)

Back in the days when I had a windows PC I had Opera 3.x .. it was great
.. light and fast, tables were a 'bit odd' but I liked it.  I tried the
Linux beta but it had a todo list that went 'doesn't display text, or
pictures. backround doesn't work yet. Can't load from network' or some
equally trivial things .. that was 1 year ago .. maybe its time to
revisit.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 depends dunnit ...

Not really, Netscape 4.x sucks. No two ways about it.

 and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it
 handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7 OTOH its so far from being

You mean it handles them at all. CSS in Netscape is so bad as to be a
joke. I mean, come on -- this is a *1996* invention!! One of the reasons
the web still sucks is 'cos of f**king Netscape and no-CSS.

 standards compliant it must die.  its bloatware taken to new levels. what
 is it? 75mb+ .. for a web browser .. ?

No, silly, it's part of the operating system :-)

But, how is it non compliant? And when was 75MB of diskspace an issue?
That's about 20p.

 I like nutscrape for setting stuff up with because it is a bit picky ...

Use a validator rather than a broken HTML parser.

 it does fall over on errors and thats what you want for quick 'almost
 right on the first pass' stuff .. then you feed it through

No you don't. You want a proper validator built right into your editor
(see: HomeSite)

 nutscrape-alike that put colored blobs or somesuch where errors were..
 with hyperlinks to details of the error ... ;)

See above :-)

 Linux beta but it had a todo list that went 'doesn't display text, or
 pictures. backround doesn't work yet. Can't load from network' or some
 equally trivial things .. that was 1 year ago .. maybe its time to
 revisit.

It's actually usable now I hear. Opera on Windows is great!

Paul



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Chris Devers

At 10:04 PM 2001.04.26 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
What would be nice would be a nutscrape-alike that put colored blobs or
somesuch where errors were.. with hyperlinks to details of the error ... ;)

Starting point: Using CSS as a Diagnostic Tool
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2000/07/21/magazine/css_tool.html

   [...] stylesheets can be used to:
 ·  See exactly how tables are structured 
 ·  Figure out how table cells are aligned 
 ·  Quickly see which images on a page still need ALT text 
 ·  Point out where you still have FONT tags lurking in your markup 
 ·  Expose the overall page structure

'course you need a newer browser for it to work as advertised, but it seems to me like 
a clever solution to the problem...




--
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:20:35PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  But, how is it non compliant? And when was 75MB of diskspace an issue?
  That's about 20p.
 
 Where do you get sensible disk (including backup) that cheap? We'd all
 like to know...

Sorry, my mistake, 14p. 80GB for $216 + $2 for a hacksaw. Cut into
a little over a thousand pieces. Hand out at parties.

You backup your copy of IE? LOL

Paul



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:20:35PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
   But, how is it non compliant? And when was 75MB of diskspace an issue?
   That's about 20p.
  Where do you get sensible disk (including backup) that cheap? We'd all
  like to know...
 Sorry, my mistake, 14p. 80GB for $216 + $2 for a hacksaw. Cut into
 a little over a thousand pieces. Hand out at parties.
 You backup your copy of IE? LOL

Ghost?

*I* don't have IE.

MBM

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Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:33:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 well .. it *does* handle them .. but ,,, errr .. sort of non cascading
 IYSWIM ...

No it doesn't. It has almost no clue about stylesheets at all. Have you
ever developed a CSS site for Netscape? And got it to work in anything
like a sensible timeframe?

 I don't care tuppence about 75mb of disc space .. its the 'half of all
 your available memory and most of your processor' that does my head in.

You're right, that rampant hyperbole is really convincing me :-)
None of my IE sessions are consuming more than a 1% of CPU. When they do
use CPU it's hardly for long.

Why are people complaining about RAM  CPU? It is *sooo* cheap and will
get cheaper  faster yet.

 We are talking about displaying a few words and pictures on a screen not

Right, and compilers are just turn .c files into something you can
run. How hard can that be?

 bloated. Opera proves that. I do not require my web browser to do any of
 the following: run active-X,  Flash, any form of streaming video. it

It doesn't, that's what plugins are for. It just do happens
that millions of people like to watch Flash  movies so they come
pre-bundled. I mean, why draw the line there? Toss out images and other
ghastly things like ability to work with handicapped people, etc, etc.

 should never, ever attempt to download anything on its own, install
 anything or upgrade anything. ever. at all. ever. When I hit the stop
 button it is because i want it to stop. dead. now. I do not want it to
 continue what its doing because it thinks it knows best. it must stop

Hmm, IE does stop almost immediately. THe Mac version in OS X requires
a couple of presses but it's pretty well behaved otherwise (when it's
not crashing or preventing me from copying the address line to the
clipboard, bah). I've actually had more trouble getting Netscape to
stop, YMMV, etc.

 loading the page NOW. IE fails many if not all of those test. I'm a bit
 of a browser luddite im afraid.

http://lynx.browser.org/

Paul



Another Komodo

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5729530.html

Makes bizarre reading after AS's press releases.

(I assume AOL's Komodo is some Mozilla repackaging? Anyone know
anything about this?)

Paul



Re: Another Komodo

2001-04-26 Thread Dean

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:44:45PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 (I assume AOL's Komodo is some Mozilla repackaging? Anyone know
 anything about this?)

theregister.co.uk has been running stories about it being used as a
possible alternative if AOL decides to stop bundling IE. No technical
details though...

Dean
-- 
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand
   --- Anon



Re: Another Komodo

2001-04-26 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:50:34AM +0100, Dean wrote:
 theregister.co.uk has been running stories about it being used as a
 possible alternative if AOL decides to stop bundling IE. No technical
 details though...

http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=988225959

has a weensy bit at the last paragraph, saying it's basically a wrapper
over Gecko (yay, usable Mozilla GUI, finally).

Paul



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 on the one hand i _almost_ like IE as it displays images as they load and
 doesn't wait unitl it has em all b4 showing you the page (unless width
 and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it
 handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7

Yeah, I was redoing my CV the other day (it's at http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire/cv.html 
if you want to employ me...) and IE handled things very nicely. I'm not exactly using 
complicated CSS, but the fact that it worked at all surprised me.

The one thing that's really bugging me is the lack of support for paged media - I've 
got a very simple rule that says that you should avoid page-breaking after the 
employer's name / details (so you get at least one paragraph of the job description 
in), but have yet to find a browser that works for this.

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: [london-list-summary] London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23

2001-04-26 Thread Nathan Torkington

Leon Brocard writes:
 Registration has opened for this year's Perl Conference in San
 Diego. It's gonna be a great conference - the talks all look excellent
 (thanks gnat!)

You're welcome.  I'm going to give a lightning talk at YAPC or TPC
about just what a clusterfuck it was this year.  Many swearwords.

If I had more balls I'd do performance art in my lightning talks.
My God, cover your eyes Mary!  The angry man's shooting up with
his own faeces!

Nat




require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Ian Brayshaw

Hi,

Sorry to pollute this list with a question about Perl...

I am writing a customer handler for loading modules at runtime, taking 
advantage of the support for coderefs in the @INC array. By deleting entries 
in the %INC hash for loaded modules I can force Perl to recompile the module 
after it has been first loaded. This is particularly important with 
mod_perl, since the modules themselves may change during the life of the 
program.

Deleting an entry in %INC allows me to trap the request from a 'require' 
call to load a module, even if it has already been loaded. If the module 
should be recompiled, then I simply return a filehandle to the module 
source. Sometimes, however, no recompilation is necessary, and so I'd like 
to return a filehandle that evaluates to true (in the 'do file' sense of 
evaluates), so that require thinks that it has successfully loaded and 
recompiled the module (to avoid the overhead of unneccessarily recompiling 
large modules).

Is there a way to do this without creating a dummy file (i.e. can we do this 
in memory)?

I have tried using a tie'd filehandle, but the internal workings of require 
mean that this doesn't work (unless, of course, I got my tie'ing wrong) as 
none of the tie'd package methods are called.


Cheers,


Ian

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Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Ian Brayshaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 I am writing a customer handler for loading modules at runtime, taking 
 advantage of the support for coderefs in the @INC array. By deleting entries 
 in the %INC hash for loaded modules I can force Perl to recompile the module 
 after it has been first loaded. This is particularly important with 
 mod_perl, since the modules themselves may change during the life of the 
 program.
 
http://www.perldoc.com/cpan/Apache/StatINC.html

I haven't read the rest of your post. :-)
-- 
Merijn Broeren| yell I am blond, I am blond,
Software Geek | I am Bee El Oo En T !/yell
  | 



Re: require Module; and filehandles

2001-04-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote:

 Hi,

 Sorry to pollute this list with a question about Perl...

 I am writing a customer handler for loading modules at runtime, taking
 advantage of the support for coderefs in the @INC array. By deleting entries
 in the %INC hash for loaded modules I can force Perl to recompile the module
 after it has been first loaded. This is particularly important with
 mod_perl, since the modules themselves may change during the life of the
 program.


So whats wrong with StatInc ?

/J\




Re: [london-list-summary] London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23

2001-04-26 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Leon Brocard writes:
  Registration has opened for this year's Perl Conference in San
  Diego. It's gonna be a great conference - the talks all look excellent
  (thanks gnat!)
 
 You're welcome.  I'm going to give a lightning talk at YAPC or TPC
 about just what a clusterfuck it was this year.  Many swearwords.
 
 If I had more balls I'd do performance art in my lightning talks.
 My God, cover your eyes Mary!  The angry man's shooting up with
 his own faeces!

I think there's definitely scope for a bile track at any conference.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Review of Data munging with Perl on Slashdot

2001-04-26 Thread Niklas Nordebo

Gets a 9, apparently.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/26/1229238mode=thread

-- 
Niklas Nordebo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +447966251290
 The day is seven hours and fifteen minutes old, and already it's
crippled with the weight of my evasions, deceit, and downright lies



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:31:31AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 http://www.flemingbank.com/
 
 crap website, but I think it sums em up.

Yep, so crap that it gives nothing but a splash screen with no links on it
whatsoever.  If that sums them up, then I want nothing to do with such
manifest incompetence.

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

   Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest
 operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, you wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  depends dunnit ...
 
 Not really, Netscape 4.x sucks. No two ways about it.
 
  and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it
  handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7 OTOH its so far from being
 
 You mean it handles them at all. CSS in Netscape is so bad as to be a
 joke. I mean, come on -- this is a *1996* invention!! One of the reasons
 the web still sucks is 'cos of f**king Netscape and no-CSS.

well .. it *does* handle them .. but ,,, errr .. sort of non cascading
IYSWIM ...
  

 But, how is it non compliant? And when was 75MB of diskspace an issue?
 That's about 20p.

I don't care tuppence about 75mb of disc space .. its the 'half of all
your available memory and most of your processor' that does my head in.
We are talking about displaying a few words and pictures on a screen not
running a spacecraft. Web browsers do NOT need to be that big and
bloated. Opera proves that. I do not require my web browser to do any of
the following: run active-X,  Flash, any form of streaming video. it
should never, ever attempt to download anything on its own, install
anything or upgrade anything. ever. at all. ever. When I hit the stop
button it is because i want it to stop. dead. now. I do not want it to
continue what its doing because it thinks it knows best. it must stop
loading the page NOW. IE fails many if not all of those test. I'm a bit
of a browser luddite im afraid.

  
  I like nutscrape for setting stuff up with because it is a bit picky ...
 
 Use a validator rather than a broken HTML parser.

Its not borken .. just 'picky' ;) 
 
  it does fall over on errors and thats what you want for quick 'almost
  right on the first pass' stuff .. then you feed it through
 
 No you don't. You want a proper validator built right into your editor
 (see: HomeSite)

umm .. ok .. i'll look


 It's actually usable now I hear. Opera on Windows is great!

opera on windows was the one thing that made windows even vaguely
tolerable .. but not that tolerable.

actually .. nutscrape under Linux annoys me when it insists on looking up
a hostname no matter how hard you click on the stop button .. bad
threading.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!