Re: Microsoft.FUKT
- Original Message - From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: London.pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Microsoft.FUKT ``Microsoft is preparing a broad campaign countering the movement to give away and share software code, arguing that it potentially undermines the intellectual property of countries and companies. At the same time, the company is acknowledging that it is feeling pressure from the freely shared alternatives to its commercial software.'' This is great news for people who aren't huge fans of Redmond Empire -- not only is the spinfo in the article largely wrong (but superficially plausible, typical FUD) but there's nothing they can do about it! They're in trouble and they know it. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/03/technology/03SOFT.html user/pass london.pm/london.pm Microsoft and one of its software strategists, will argue that the company already follows the best attributes of the open-source model by sharing the original programmer's instructions, or source code, more widely than is generally realized. I thought that this only counted if you gave the code away on purpose? :-)
Re: Apocalypse Two
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:48:46AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: And much, much more! we'll switch to using . instead of - Yay!! p6-languageBut then what do you use to concatenate?/ :) Don't miss the smiley, I don't actually care. I'm really looking forward to apoc9, multi-dimensional slices makes my brain water. Properties are already looking pretty scary. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: Apocalypse Two
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 10:25:07AM +0100, Struan Donald wrote: i kind of like - from a visual point of view. Your eyes will be adapted to server perl6. /borg -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cocktails
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: And they didn't eat as many waffles as we did. ahhh waffles, a classic student food - what did you eat your waffles with? i ate mine with mayo and chick sticks (fish finger like bits processed chicken) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Apocalypse Two
* at 04/05 10:22 +0100 Dave Hodgkinson said: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i kind of like - from a visual point of view. much more like APL... ;-) i'd not know about that. seem to recall seeing an example of APL in a book once and it looked very scary. or it might have been ADA. still, if damian gets his way we'll no doubt be able to have modules/filters that mean we can still use - :) struan
RE: More revolting natives
From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:07 PM They really don't learn do they? The thread beginning with http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?read=4666 is a hoot. I particularly like the post where our hero says: No,but its true-- strict really does suck. I hate it. Its gay. Dont tell me ehat to do. And nobody wants your to be back, either. in response to one of Dave's posts. Heh. We were discussing that on IRC a couple of days ago. Notice that when I challenged him to back up his opinion logically he went very quiet - although he _has_ been back to the board since then. Oh, and you've just gotta love the mentality that sees 'gay' as an insult. Gives a real feel for the kind of person we're dealing with :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: More revolting natives
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:17:25PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Oh, and you've just gotta love the mentality that sees 'gay' as an insult. Gives a real feel for the kind of person we're dealing with :) Just to clarify is this the 13 year old? Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
RE: More revolting natives
From: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:30 PM On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:17:25PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Oh, and you've just gotta love the mentality that sees 'gay' as an insult. Gives a real feel for the kind of person we're dealing with :) Just to clarify is this the 13 year old? Well, the 13 year old now claims to be 20. But no, this is his friend bk who kills people for a living in Hereford! Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: More revolting natives
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:32:35PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Well, the 13 year old now claims to be 20. But no, this is his friend bk who kills people for a living in Hereford! Um. I no longer want children. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: cocktails
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 10:34:55AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: And they didn't eat as many waffles as we did. ahhh waffles, a classic student food - what did you eat your waffles with? i ate mine with mayo and chick sticks (fish finger like bits processed chicken) The chicken that is not fit for human consumption? mm. Gotta be Waffles with Heinz Beans Sausages (although I draw the line at the all day breakfast or full monty meals in a can). jp
Re: More revolting natives
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:47:43PM +0100, Dean wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:32:35PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Well, the 13 year old now claims to be 20. But no, this is his friend bk who kills people for a living in Hereford! Um. I no longer want children. You *wanted* them? :-) -Dom
Re: More revolting natives
Alex Page sent the following bits through the ether: On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:54:05PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:47:43PM +0100, Dean wrote: Um. I no longer want children. You *wanted* them? :-) Deep fried? Tastes like chicken! Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... A Bugless Program is an Abstract Theoretical Concept
Re: Native Code Experts
At 05:07 PM 5/4/01 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Thought you might be interested in this post from our frind the Hereford Killer. Someone posted some code that used for(;;) loops. And this was bk's response: [snipped excellent advice] Remember, for loops are for JS, not perl. You cant use semicolons in perl, unless theyre before a carriage return. end_quote And this from someone who describes himself as a PERL Master. Maybe we should send him the London pm review copy of the new Learning Perl when it arrives. I'm sure he'll appreciate this goodwill jesture, especially if a certain few take the trouble to autograph it for him. Rob
Re: More revolting natives
Andrew Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [1] If he weren't such a twit he'll compliment you on your ability with the English language once he realises you're not American! (As in the American lady who struck a conversation with my mother - after a few minutes the American lady said Gee. You come from Scotland. And you speak English so well!). ;-) My wife's aunt married a GI. When she was introduced to some of his relative she was complimented on how good her English was. Yes, I learnt it on the boat coming over. And they believed her. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: Native Code Experts
Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thought you might be interested in this post from our frind the Hereford
Killer. Someone posted some code that used for(;;) loops. And this was bk's
response:
begin_quote
Erm, My eyes keep darting to your FOR loops. For is mainly used in
javascript, and perl doesnt handle them, mainly because of the semicolons
used to split the operations. Instead of for, use foreach, because thats
close to the perl equivalent of for. I'm not sure exactly what that would
translate to into perl, but if you want to do something in a foreach loop,
it would look like
foreach $ArrayItemYouNeedToChange (@TheArray) {
#do this
}
Remember, for loops are for JS, not perl. You cant use semicolons in perl,
unless theyre before a carriage return.
end_quote
And this from someone who describes himself as a PERL Master.
I haven't laughed so much since Date::MMDDYY...
--
Piers Cawley
www.iterative-software.com
Re: Native Code Experts
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:30:02PM +0100, Robert Price wrote: Maybe we should send him the London pm review copy of the new Learning Perl when it arrives. I'm sure he'll appreciate this goodwill jesture, especially if a certain few take the trouble to autograph it for him. And our masterful social engineering strategy for getting his address is...? Martin
Re: More revolting natives
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:54:05PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Um. I no longer want children. You *wanted* them? :-) Not really, guess I'm proof of Darwinism at work ;) As an aside think of his parents sitting there become more and more filled with dread and fear as they realise that one day he'll be picking out their retirement homes... Does the author of the book take an interest in the web group? I'd hope she'd be on there correcting him. Dean I can see use.perl now, Thirteen year old boy terrorized by London PMer's because Dave told them to :) -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Native Code Experts
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:33:16PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On or about Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:29:10PM +0100, Martin Ling typed: And our masterful social engineering strategy for getting his address is...? Tell him he's gay if he doesn't admit his address. ...say YOUR GAY and see if anyone nearby twigs... Martin -- -[ Martin J. Ling ]-[ http://www.nodezero.org.uk ]-
[OT] Anyone want a Defender?
I've got bored with my Defender, so am selling it. Anyone interested? ObLondon.pm: defender beats watching buffy on the stupid-box any day of the week. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
Re: [OT] Anyone want a Defender?
On Fri, 04 May 2001, you wrote: I've got bored with my Defender, so am selling it. Anyone interested? ObLondon.pm: defender beats watching buffy on the stupid-box any day of the week. the '80's video arcade game? ... hmmm .. well, if it was Pheonix Firebird I might have been tempted ;) -- Robin Szemeti The box said requires windows 95 or better So I installed Linux!
Re: Apocalypse Two
still, if damian gets his way we'll no doubt be able to have
modules/filters that mean we can still use - :)
I *guarantee* it!
It will definitely be possible in Perl 6, because even with our primitive
earth technology we can do the reverse today:
###
# in line DotsForArrows.pm:
package DotsForArrows;
use Filter::Simple;
FILTER { s/\b\.(?=[a-z_\$({[])/-/gi };
###
# then in your code:
use DotsForArrows;
package MyClass;
sub new { bless [$_[1], 1..10], $_[0] }
sub next { my ($self) = @_; return next is: . shift(@$self) . \n }
package main;
my ($str1, $str2) = (a, z);
my $obj = MyClass.new($str1 . $str2);
print $obj.next() for 1..10;
print $obj.[0] . \n;
my $next = 'next';
print $obj.$next;
#etc.
I suppose you'll want me to put that on the CPAN now. ;-)
Damian
Re: Apocalypse Two
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:14:47PM +1000, Damian Conway wrote:
package DotsForArrows;
use Filter::Simple;
FILTER { s/\b\.(?=[a-z_\$({[])/-/gi };
That's BORING. Obviously the right way to do it is to allow lvalue
overloaded operators, and overload . for everything.
--
The man who sees, on New Year's day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant
is forever blessed.
-- Old Japanese proverb
Re: More revolting natives
At 17:56 04/05/2001, Dean wrote: Does the author of the book take an interest in the web group? I'd hope she'd be on there correcting him. She's around occasionally. She's a bit busy at the moment - getting the next edition finished before her baby is born later this month. Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] plugData Munging with Perl http://www.manning.com/cross//plug
Re: [OT] Anyone want a Defender?
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 11:10:41PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I'd be tempted Dave, but as I got the high scores on the machine on my first go at it in a few years I don't really see the challenge anymore ;-) Thanks for reminding me to blank the NVRAM :-) You can't win Dave. If you wipe my scores. They will become higher than you can imagine. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Apocalypse Two
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2001, you wrote: The man who sees, on New Year's day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant is forever blessed. -- Old Japanese proverb The man who sees, on New Year's day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant is extremely drunk. -- Old Yorkshire proverb The man who sees, on New Year's Day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant is : A) In need of a short stint in the Betty Ford clinic B) someone who needs to book back into The Priory PDQ C) someone who has been rifling in my stash box ... BTW that is Aubergine not Egg plant :) /J\
Re: Apocalypse Two
Damian Conway sent the following bits through the ether: I suppose you'll want me to put that on the CPAN now. ;-) Yes. Didn't we sponsor you for this ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Remember when we said there was no future? Well, this is it
