RE: Irish music (was RE: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))

2001-05-10 Thread Matthew Jones

Dave Cross:
 You sound like the kind of person
 who would really enjoy the Cambridge Folk Festival

Or, indeed, the Holmfirth Folk Festival: on this weekend for all your real
ale, finger-in-ear, set-in-summer-wine-country needs
http://www.riceholm.demon.co.uk/

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Philip Newton

David Cantrell wrote:
 http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv

I was going to post I can't open that in Microsoft Word; please re-send it
as a joke, but when I tried to open the PDF version using the Acrobat
plug-in in Netscape, I got an internal error occurred and some of the
letters were missing.

Cheers,
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TBA?

2001-05-10 Thread jduncan

is a venue decided on for tonights meeting, or is it still TBA?

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:54:04AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 David Cantrell wrote:
  http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv
 
 I was going to post I can't open that in Microsoft Word; please re-send it
 as a joke, but when I tried to open the PDF version using the Acrobat
 plug-in in Netscape, I got an internal error occurred and some of the
 letters were missing.

There were some letters missing for me too under Linux.  Probably just
bad fonts under X11, gee what a surprise.

-Dom



Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-07

2001-05-10 Thread Richard Clamp

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 05:30:59PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
 Paul Mison wrote a quick thanks / report of the London.pm - New York
 trip, with links to photos:

And seconds too late I put my photos online:
http://www.unixbeard.net/~richardc/Photos/

It's all the photos that have ever passed through my camera, so don't
go saying rude things about my nan.

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread James Powell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:22:07AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:54:04AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
  David Cantrell wrote:
   http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv
  
  I was going to post I can't open that in Microsoft Word; please re-send it
  as a joke, but when I tried to open the PDF version using the Acrobat
  plug-in in Netscape, I got an internal error occurred and some of the
  letters were missing.
 
 There were some letters missing for me too under Linux.  Probably just
 bad fonts under X11, gee what a surprise.
 
 -Dom

Looked fine to me.

My aren't we all nosy ;)


jp



Re: TBA?

2001-05-10 Thread Struan Donald

* at 10/05 10:22 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 is a venue decided on for tonights meeting, or is it still TBA?

shuffles through mailbox for weekly summary

Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting
is a social meeting and has been postponed for a week to the Thursday
10th May. It will be at the Penderel's Oak:
http://london.pm.org/

struan



Re: TBA?

2001-05-10 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Thu, 10 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 is a venue decided on for tonights meeting, or is it still TBA?

Penderels Oak.

MBM

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RE: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-07

2001-05-10 Thread Matthew Jones

http://www.unixbeard.net/~richardc/Photos/2001-04-30/2001-04-30.14:42:51.jpe
g

heh:

http://www.snurfer.org/sands/gfx/vertigo.jpg

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Re: TBA?

2001-05-10 Thread jduncan

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:43:25AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  is a venue decided on for tonights meeting, or is it still TBA?
  
 
 Penderels Oak, and afterwards I have a table at the Gaucho Grill for
 steak.

yum

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Re: TBA?

2001-05-10 Thread Simon Wistow

Greg McCarroll wrote:

 Penderels Oak, and afterwards I have a table at the Gaucho Grill for
 steak.

Can't we just eat beef instead? It will be a lot less wooden for a
start.

Badoom, boom. Thankyourveramuch ladies and germs I'll be here all week.



(Ab)Using substr

2001-05-10 Thread Cross David - dcross

Mentioned this in passing to Piers and Leon last night and they seemed
interested enough to justify posting it here. It's not mine :)

#!/usr/bin/perl -w   # how to (ab)use substr
use strict;

my $pi='3.14159210535152623346475240375062163750446240333543375062';

 substr ($^X,0)=
   substr   ($pi,-6);map{
 substr ($^X,$.++,1)=chr(
  substr($pi,21,2)+
  substr($pi,$_,2))}(12,28,-18,-6,-10,14);map{$^O=$x(
 substr ($pi,-5,2));
   substr   ($^O,sin(++$a/8)*32+
 substr ($pi,-2)/2+1,1)=$_;
   substr   ($^O,sin($a/4)*(
 substr ($pi,2,2))+
substr  ($pi,-7,-5)-1,1)=$_;print$^O$/;eval($^X.('$b,'x3).
substr  ($pi,-3,1).'.'.
 substr ($pi,9,2));}(map{chr($_+
   substr   ($pi,21,2))}(
 substr ($pi,8)x3)=~/../g);


For more discussion (including and explaination) see
http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=77619.

Dave...

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RE: TBA?

2001-05-10 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:22 AM

 is a venue decided on for tonights meeting, or is it still TBA?

Yeah. Sorry. General crapness on the part of the webmaster :(

We'll be meeting in the Penderels Oak tonight from about 6:30pm.

I'll have a copy of Perl Debugged which I bought in NY. It's mine so I
won't be giving it away, but you can look at it. And maybe even touch it.

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:54:04AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:

 David Cantrell wrote:
  http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv
 
 I was going to post I can't open that in Microsoft Word; please re-send it
 as a joke, but when I tried to open the PDF version using the Acrobat
 plug-in in Netscape, I got an internal error occurred and some of the
 letters were missing.

Serves you right for not getting the raw Postscript :-)

I've put plain-text and HTML versions up as well now.  Bow down before
the awesome power of TeX!

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:18:22AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:54:04AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 
  David Cantrell wrote:
   http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv
  
  I was going to post I can't open that in Microsoft Word; please re-send it
  as a joke, but when I tried to open the PDF version using the Acrobat
  plug-in in Netscape, I got an internal error occurred and some of the
  letters were missing.
 
 Serves you right for not getting the raw Postscript :-)
 
 I've put plain-text and HTML versions up as well now.  Bow down before
 the awesome power of TeX!

I find that pdftotext (part of xpdf) does a remarkably good job of
letting you know what a pdf file has to say, without bothering with all
that tedious formatting... ;-)

-Dom



Re: (Ab)Using substr

2001-05-10 Thread Robin Houston

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:16:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 #!/usr/bin/perl -w   # how to (ab)use substr
 use strict;
 my $pi='3.14159210535152623346475240375062163750446240333543375062';

Well, it's more just taking advantage of the fact that most people
don't know more than six decimal places of Pi :-)

Actually it is a thing of great beauty.

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RE: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:18 AM

[evildave's cv]

 I've put plain-text and HTML versions up as well now.  Bow down before
 the awesome power of TeX!

Do you write it in raw Tex/LaTeX, or do you generate that from some other
format (like, perhaps, XML)? I'd be interested in seeing the intermediate
stages.

Dave...

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RE: (Ab)Using substr

2001-05-10 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:25 AM

 On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:16:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
  #!/usr/bin/perl -w   # how to (ab)use substr
  use strict;
  my $pi='3.14159210535152623346475240375062163750446240333543375062';
 
 Well, it's more just taking advantage of the fact that most people
 don't know more than six decimal places of Pi :-)

Yeah. That was pointed out on perlmonks.

 Actually it is a thing of great beauty.

It is, isn't it. It was written by Stephen Jenkins, the same chap that wrote
the camel code on the ThinkGeek tshirt
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/321a.html.

He posts on Perlmonks under the name Erudil and _all_ of his posts are worth
checking out.

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:22:45AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 Do you write it in raw Tex/LaTeX, or do you generate that from some other
 format (like, perhaps, XML)? I'd be interested in seeing the intermediate
 stages.

Ahh, now that would be telling :-)

Oh alright then, I used lyx to generate the outline - getting all the
headers and tables sorted, then exported as LaTeX and edited from there.

thinks has anyone done TeX goodness with Template Toolkit?

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:22:47AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 I find that pdftotext (part of xpdf) does a remarkably good job of
 letting you know what a pdf file has to say, without bothering with all
 that tedious formatting... ;-)

I particularly like the way it turns 'film-making' into '[greek-pi]-making'.

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RE: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:57 AM

 On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:22:45AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  Do you write it in raw Tex/LaTeX, or do you generate that from some
other
  format (like, perhaps, XML)? I'd be interested in seeing the
intermediate
  stages.
 
 Ahh, now that would be telling :-)
 
 Oh alright then, I used lyx to generate the outline - getting all the
 headers and tables sorted, then exported as LaTeX and edited from there.
 
 thinks has anyone done TeX goodness with Template Toolkit?

That's pretty much the direction my question was going...

I haven't (yet) but I plan to be talking about such things at YAPC::Europe.

Dave...

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Mark Fowler

On Thu, 10 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

 thinks has anyone done TeX goodness with Template Toolkit?

See the latest post to the TT mailing list:

http://www.template-toolkit.org/pipermail/templates/2001-May/000931.html

Later.

Mark.




Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Simon Cozens

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:22:45AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 Do you write it in raw Tex/LaTeX, or do you generate that from some other
 format (like, perhaps, XML)? I'd be interested in seeing the intermediate
 stages.

For my writing these days, I do

SGML - tex  ( - pdf | - dvi - ps )
 - html
 - text

I suppose I should use XML instead, but I'm a dinosaur. No, I haven't tried
writing SGML with Perl yet, but I will. 

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Steve Keay

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 05:04:23PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 I've been made redundant.  Anyone want an Evil Programmer?
 
 http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv

funky server set up:

  [steve@webcache steve]$ telnet www.cantrell.org.uk 80 
  Trying 195.149.50.61...
  Connected to plough.barnyard.co.uk.
  Escape character is '^]'.
  GET /david/cv/cv.pdf HTTP/1.0

  HTTP/1.1 404 Complete fuckup



Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:05:19PM +0100, Steve Keay wrote:
 On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 05:04:23PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
  I've been made redundant.  Anyone want an Evil Programmer?
  
  http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv
 
 funky server set up:
 
   [steve@webcache steve]$ telnet www.cantrell.org.uk 80 
   Trying 195.149.50.61...
   Connected to plough.barnyard.co.uk.
   Escape character is '^]'.
   GET /david/cv/cv.pdf HTTP/1.0
 
   HTTP/1.1 404 Complete fuckup

Yes, you did fuck up :-)

It's cv20010510.pdf.  I s'pose I should update my funky-skillo redirection
thing.  Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Robert Price

At 01:22 PM 5/10/01 +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:05:19PM +0100, Steve Keay wrote:
 On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 05:04:23PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
  I've been made redundant.  Anyone want an Evil Programmer?
  
  http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv
 
 funky server set up:
 
   [steve@webcache steve]$ telnet www.cantrell.org.uk 80 
   Trying 195.149.50.61...
   Connected to plough.barnyard.co.uk.
   Escape character is '^]'.
   GET /david/cv/cv.pdf HTTP/1.0
 
   HTTP/1.1 404 Complete fuckup

Yes, you did fuck up :-)

It's cv20010510.pdf.  I s'pose I should update my funky-skillo redirection
thing.  

I must remember to start calling symlinks that. It sounds far more impressive.

Rob




Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:38:10PM +0100, Robert Price wrote in response
to little ol' me:

 It's cv20010510.pdf.  I s'pose I should update my funky-skillo redirection
 thing.  
 
 I must remember to start calling symlinks that. It sounds far more
 impressive.

Naah, it's not just a symlink.  I have a custom 404 handler which looks
for pages similar to what you asked for based on a small database of
things which may have changed.  I haven't updated it recently, but will
do.  I'll make it so that requests for .../cv.foo get translated to
.../cv[latest-version].foo.

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 13:37 10/05/01 +0100, you wrote:

Naah, it's not just a symlink.  I have a custom 404 handler which looks
for pages similar to what you asked for based on a small database of
things which may have changed.  I haven't updated it recently, but will
do.  I'll make it so that requests for .../cv.foo get translated to
.../cv[latest-version].foo.

HTTP::Approx anyone?


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Introduction to XP

2001-05-10 Thread Cross David - dcross

Interesting stuff...

http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/05/04/xp_intro.html

Dave...

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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 At 13:37 10/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
 Naah, it's not just a symlink.  I have a custom 404 handler which looks
 for pages similar to what you asked for based on a small database of
 things which may have changed.  I haven't updated it recently, but will
 do.  I'll make it so that requests for .../cv.foo get translated to
 .../cv[latest-version].foo.
 HTTP::Approx anyone?

mod_speling

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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-07

2001-05-10 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 http://www.snurfer.org/sands/gfx/vertigo.jpg
 
 Did your palms sweat too, richard?


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Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:43:39PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 At 13:37 10/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
 
 Naah, it's not just a symlink.  I have a custom 404 handler which looks
 for pages similar to what you asked for based on a small database of
 things which may have changed.  I haven't updated it recently, but will
 do.  I'll make it so that requests for .../cv.foo get translated to
 .../cv[latest-version].foo.
 
 HTTP::Approx anyone?

OK, maybe I *won't* do that then :-)

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Re: Irish music (was RE: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))

2001-05-10 Thread Nathan Torkington

Dave Cross writes:
 Some names there that I don't know, but will be checking out. I bet the 
 Green Linnet compilation is good.

Oh yes.  That's what I used to decide which artists to buy.  Another
CD arrived yesterday, a Rounder compilation of 1920s recordings of
trad. Irish musicians.  I was surprised how similar the music is to
today--I'm not used to folk music that isn't polluted by jazz and rock :-) 

Nat




Re: Introduction to XP

2001-05-10 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:47 PM
 
  Interesting stuff...
  
  http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/05/04/xp_intro.html
 
 Should point out, that's Extreme Programming, _not_ Windows XP :)
 

which i believe has been renamed to 2002

( according to some dodgy marketting pals who can't be trusted )


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mod perl

2001-05-10 Thread Robin Szemeti


Um ...

so say I have a mod perl thing (template wotsit and lots of
class::methodmaker stuff) and I notice everytime I serve a page the size
of the apache client increases slighlty ...

dead parrot
I know a memory leak when I see one and I', looking at one right now
/dead parrot

so what is the preffered debugging method for discovering what this
little leak might be .. strip the app down and build bit by bit .. or is
there a clever way of looking at heap contents?

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Re: mod perl

2001-05-10 Thread Leon Brocard

Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether:

 so what is the preffered debugging method for discovering what this
 little leak might be .. strip the app down and build bit by bit .. or is
 there a clever way of looking at heap contents?

The mod_perl guide is your friend:
http://perl.apache.org/guide/debug.html

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Re: Introduction to XP

2001-05-10 Thread Steve Purkis

Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 * Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:47 PM
 
   Interesting stuff...
  
   http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/05/04/xp_intro.html
 
  Should point out, that's Extreme Programming, _not_ Windows XP :)
 
 
 which i believe has been renamed to 2002
 
 ( according to some dodgy marketting pals who can't be trusted )


Yikes!  I don't know anything about these `dodgy marketting pals' ... 
is there a FAQ somewhere?

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Re: Introduction to XP

2001-05-10 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Steve Purkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Greg McCarroll wrote:
  
  * Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:47 PM
  
Interesting stuff...
   
http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/05/04/xp_intro.html
  
   Should point out, that's Extreme Programming, _not_ Windows XP :)
  
  
  which i believe has been renamed to 2002
  
  ( according to some dodgy marketting pals who can't be trusted )
 
 
 Yikes!  I don't know anything about these `dodgy marketting pals' ... 
 is there a FAQ somewhere?
 

Do marketting people drink a lot?

Yes

Do they tend to be able to last in a drink for drink night?

No

Do they know the best bars in Holland to go to?

Yes

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Re: mod perl

2001-05-10 Thread Barbie

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 so what is the preffered debugging method for discovering what this
 little leak might be .. strip the app down and build bit by bit .. or is
 there a clever way of looking at heap contents?

Would MJD's Memoize (http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Memoize) work here?

Barbie.





NMS formmail

2001-05-10 Thread Struan Donald

is this useable as i have someone in the office using the real version
and difficulties with it and i'd quite like to be able to say:

ah ah! you should use this instead.

ta

struan



No Subject

2001-05-10 Thread Greg McCarroll


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tonights meeting? i've had lunch with a friend and its done bad
things to me

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Re: your mail

2001-05-10 Thread Dave Thorn

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:13:34PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 would people mind if i turned up totally pissed from minute 0 to
 tonights meeting? 

s/mind/notice/

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Re:

2001-05-10 Thread Robert Shiels

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 would people mind if i turned up totally pissed from minute 0 to
 tonights meeting? 

How will we be able to tell

/Robert




putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Struan Donald

kind of off topic but how do you get things like ^M and such like into
a file for, say, writing vi macros?

i've had a look through some docs but i'm beggining to suspect it's
one of those bit of unix aracana know to a chosen few. or is there
some site/resource that contains this info?

ta

struan



Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:35:29PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
 kind of off topic but how do you get things like ^M and such like into
 a file for, say, writing vi macros?
 
 i've had a look through some docs but i'm beggining to suspect it's
 one of those bit of unix aracana know to a chosen few. or is there
 some site/resource that contains this info?

Generally you can enter a control character into vi and most Unix shells
by pressing ^V and then the character you want.

In Emacs, it's ^Q, then the character you want.

-Dom



Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:35:29PM +0100, Struan Donald typed:
kind of off topic but how do you get things like ^M and such like into
a file for, say, writing vi macros?

ctrl-x 0 d

but using it in a search/replace pattern is harder.

Roger



Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Struan Donald

* at 10/05 16:37 +0100 Dominic Mitchell said:
 On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:35:29PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
  kind of off topic but how do you get things like ^M and such like into
  a file for, say, writing vi macros?
  
  i've had a look through some docs but i'm beggining to suspect it's
  one of those bit of unix aracana know to a chosen few. or is there
  some site/resource that contains this info?
 
 Generally you can enter a control character into vi and most Unix shells
 by pressing ^V and then the character you want.

ah, thanks
 
 In Emacs, it's ^Q, then the character you want.

only ^Q? that's not like emacs :)

struan



Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Robin Houston

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:35:29PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
 kind of off topic but how do you get things like ^M and such like into
 a file for, say, writing vi macros?

perl -e 'print \cM'  my-file

;-)
 .robin.


ps. Dominic's already given a proper answer...

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Flee to me, remote elf!



Re: your mail

2001-05-10 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:13:34PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
 would people mind if i turned up totally pissed from minute 0 to
 tonights meeting? i've had lunch with a friend and its done bad
 things to me

Clearly it's done odd things to your ability to write a subject...

dha
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Okay, that's it.  30 days no computer use penalty for being stupid
- Greg at http://www.userfriendly.org



Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:44:41PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
  In Emacs, it's ^Q, then the character you want.
 
 only ^Q? that's not like emacs :)

Well, it's assuming that nobody's fiddled with the keymaps.  You could
alternatively do:

M-x quoted-insert RET RET

-Dom



Dr Who - A second rate sci-fi show that is only popular in american due to their average stands?

2001-05-10 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:13:34PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  
  would people mind if i turned up totally pissed from minute 0 to
  tonights meeting? i've had lunch with a friend and its done bad
  things to me
 
 Clearly it's done odd things to your ability to write a subject...
 

Is that better?
;-)

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Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net



Re: mod perl

2001-05-10 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 10 May 2001, you wrote:
 From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  so what is the preffered debugging method for discovering what this
  little leak might be .. strip the app down and build bit by bit .. or is
  there a clever way of looking at heap contents?
 
 Would MJD's Memoize (http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Memoize) work here?

don't think so ... that builds its own little  pile of stuff an knows how
to walk about in it .. rather than a real heap walker that just wades in
even though its never seen the stuff and tries to deuce what it is that
you have lying around.

In the windoze world there are kwel things such as Numega BoundsChecker
for C++ that do this sort of thing.

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!



Re: mod perl

2001-05-10 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Thu, 10 May 2001, you wrote:
 Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether:
 
  so what is the preffered debugging method for discovering what this
  little leak might be .. strip the app down and build bit by bit .. or is
  there a clever way of looking at heap contents?
 
 The mod_perl guide is your friend:
 http://perl.apache.org/guide/debug.html


ah yes RTFM :) .. and you're right .. theres the bit I needed .. infact
chances are it isnt a leak at all, just cached info filling up the planet
.. more investigation needed.

thanks


--  
Robin Szemeti

The box said requires windows 95 or better
So I installed Linux!



Re: (Ab)Using substr

2001-05-10 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:16:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 Mentioned this in passing to Piers and Leon last night and they seemed
 interested enough to justify posting it here. It's not mine :)

My god, that's gorgeous.  I think I'm going to cry...

dha
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Perl can certainly be used as a first computer language, but it was
really designed to be a *last* computer language. - Larry Wall



Re: Dr Who - A second rate sci-fi show that is only popular in american due to their average stands?

2001-05-10 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 06:03:53PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:13:34PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
   
   would people mind if i turned up totally pissed from minute 0 to
   tonights meeting? i've had lunch with a friend and its done bad
   things to me
  
  Clearly it's done odd things to your ability to write a subject...
  
 
 Is that better?
 ;-)

Yes.  It's just as clearly inaccurate and ill-informed as ever, instead
of blank.  :-)

dha
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David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Chemistry is easy.  It's just like witchcraft, but with less newt.
- Willow



Re: TBA?

2001-05-10 Thread David H. Adler

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:03:34AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
 Greg McCarroll wrote:
 
  Penderels Oak, and afterwards I have a table at the Gaucho Grill for
  steak.
 
 Can't we just eat beef instead? It will be a lot less wooden for a
 start.
 
 Badoom, boom. Thankyourveramuch ladies and germs I'll be here all week.

Not if we cut off your head, burn you alive, eviscerate you and bury you
in france.

:-)

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David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
i don't play lead.  it interferes with my drinking. - Malcolm Young



Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:44:41PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote:
 * at 10/05 16:37 +0100 Dominic Mitchell said:

  Generally you can enter a control character into vi and most Unix shells
  by pressing ^V and then the character you want.
 
 ah, thanks
  
  In Emacs, it's ^Q, then the character you want.
 
 only ^Q? that's not like emacs :)

If your terminal has flow control enabled it will eat ^Q and ^S for you.
stty -ixon
removes this problem.
(Someone has a quote about the only safe thing to send down a serial line
being a break, because emacs interprets every character)

Nicholas Clark